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Post by blny on Apr 21, 2019 18:59:20 GMT -5
Oshie is a not elite, but he is a major piece of the puzzle for the Caps and a big game player. That is unfortunate. Radulov is a beast. Man, it is going to take time to get over the summer of 2017. At least Bergevin gave us all some free advice about the utility of dogs as companions. Naturally, we won't know how well Radulov 'ages', but this is year 2 of his 5 year contract and it doesn't look like he's slowing down. I thought at the time, if he produced for 4 of the 5 years, it would have been worth it. There are far too many variables to look back and assume this move or that move would have been the right thing to do. For example is we sign Radulov we probably don't finish 28th and get Kotkaniemi. But if Bergevin was truly committed to winning, he'd have signed Rads for $7 for $7.25 (whatever was needed to get close to Dallas' after tax income to Radulov). The truly ridiculous thing is that Bergevin said he didn't want to endanger his CAP, but he ended up with over $7MM in CAP space after signed Alzner. For all the good moves he made since summer 2018, he made some disastrous ones the 2 years before. I guess we can rationalize it by admitting the extra cap space allowed him to sign various marginal depth players. The whole Radulov negotiation has an odor. There's 3 stories. The agent, the player, and Berg. All different. Who know's which one, if any, is right. Would love to have kept him. If anything was true, Berg wanted to as well. He holds his cards pretty close, so for him to be as openly upset as he was telling imo. Rads shouldn't have an issue producing for another few years. Fewer games, and much less hitting, in Russia means there's a lot less wear on his body than if he'd played the whole time in NA. |
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 21, 2019 19:21:20 GMT -5
Naturally, we won't know how well Radulov 'ages', but this is year 2 of his 5 year contract and it doesn't look like he's slowing down. I thought at the time, if he produced for 4 of the 5 years, it would have been worth it. There are far too many variables to look back and assume this move or that move would have been the right thing to do. For example is we sign Radulov we probably don't finish 28th and get Kotkaniemi. But if Bergevin was truly committed to winning, he'd have signed Rads for $7 for $7.25 (whatever was needed to get close to Dallas' after tax income to Radulov). The truly ridiculous thing is that Bergevin said he didn't want to endanger his CAP, but he ended up with over $7MM in CAP space after signed Alzner. For all the good moves he made since summer 2018, he made some disastrous ones the 2 years before. I guess we can rationalize it by admitting the extra cap space allowed him to sign various marginal depth players. The whole Radulov negotiation has an odor. There's 3 stories. The agent, the player, and Berg. All different. Who know's which one, if any, is right. Would love to have kept him. If anything was true, Berg wanted to as well. He holds his cards pretty close, so for him to be as openly upset as he was telling imo.Rads shouldn't have an issue producing for another few years. Fewer games, and much less hitting, in Russia means there's a lot less wear on his body than if he'd played the whole time in NA. You wouldn't have known that by Berg's responses to reporters before both Radulov and Markov decided to leave. Final offers. No further negotiations. If I told you what Radulov's agent was asking in January..... First come, first served.... If you really want to keep somebody, you keep those cards really close, no?  On Canadiens' TermsMore of the same |
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Post by Cranky on Apr 21, 2019 19:35:13 GMT -5
Naturally, we won't know how well Radulov 'ages', but this is year 2 of his 5 year contract and it doesn't look like he's slowing down. I thought at the time, if he produced for 4 of the 5 years, it would have been worth it. There are far too many variables to look back and assume this move or that move would have been the right thing to do. For example is we sign Radulov we probably don't finish 28th and get Kotkaniemi. But if Bergevin was truly committed to winning, he'd have signed Rads for $7 for $7.25 (whatever was needed to get close to Dallas' after tax income to Radulov). The truly ridiculous thing is that Bergevin said he didn't want to endanger his CAP, but he ended up with over $7MM in CAP space after signed Alzner. For all the good moves he made since summer 2018, he made some disastrous ones the 2 years before. I guess we can rationalize it by admitting the extra cap space allowed him to sign various marginal depth players. No there is not. Signing radulo would make us a better team. A few months back I went through the number and in order for BBinz to match Dallas and he had to come up with 9 million to offset the Texas tax structure. He simply didn't want to do that. Period. End of story. Everything after that was nonsense deflection of "I offered the same amount and he didn't take my call". The fact that some fans bought that line is pathetic, the fact that he dared use it and get away with it speaks of the contempt BBinz and Mol$on have for the fans. Here it is again.... Texas...7,000,000 yearly....take home....$4,278,089.70 Quebec....9,000,000 yearly....take home.....4,208,888.00 BBinz should stop treating like idiots because frankly, he is the dullest knife in the drawer. www.drtax.ca/en/DTMax/support/calculator.aspx#goodcalculators.com/us-salary-tax-calculator/ |
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Post by Cranky on Apr 21, 2019 19:40:25 GMT -5
You wouldn't have known that by Berg's responses to reporters before both Radulov and Markov decided to leave. Final offers. No further negotiations. If I told you what Radulov's agent was asking in January..... First come, first served.... If you really want to keep somebody, you keep those cards really close, no? On Canadiens' TermsMore of the sameBBinz really showed them who's the boss. Who controls their destiny, their lives, their future....and they laughed, then walked away. BBinz and Mol$on is playing the "us against them" card and we land up with nothing, Mol$on with $15 million extra profit in the bank and the players moving with their successful careers. Who is the big loser here? |
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Post by blny on Apr 21, 2019 20:10:28 GMT -5
The whole Radulov negotiation has an odor. There's 3 stories. The agent, the player, and Berg. All different. Who know's which one, if any, is right. Would love to have kept him. If anything was true, Berg wanted to as well. He holds his cards pretty close, so for him to be as openly upset as he was telling imo.Rads shouldn't have an issue producing for another few years. Fewer games, and much less hitting, in Russia means there's a lot less wear on his body than if he'd played the whole time in NA. You wouldn't have known that by Berg's responses to reporters before both Radulov and Markov decided to leave. Final offers. No further negotiations. If I told you what Radulov's agent was asking in January..... First come, first served.... If you really want to keep somebody, you keep those cards really close, no? On Canadiens' TermsMore of the sameI'm recalling the actual press conference. He was noticeably displeased/frustrated by how things played out with Radulov - which is a different bushel of apples than Markov. |
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Post by jkr on Apr 21, 2019 20:47:34 GMT -5
Jones playing much better for SJ. Tied 1-1 after regulation with the Knights outshooting them 44-20.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 21, 2019 22:00:12 GMT -5
... the game is into its 2nd OT ...
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Post by blny on Apr 21, 2019 22:10:24 GMT -5
Hertl scores a SH goal to win in OT, forcing game seven. First time Sharks have come back from 1-3 down to do that. MAF let in a MAF Pens era goal. Real stinker.
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Post by franko on Apr 21, 2019 22:17:08 GMT -5
Hertl scores a SH goal to win in OT, forcing game seven. First time Sharks have come back from 1-3 down to do that. MAF let in a MAF Pens era goal. Real stinker. the MAF I expected in the playoffs last year |
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Post by blny on Apr 21, 2019 23:30:29 GMT -5
Hertl scores a SH goal to win in OT, forcing game seven. First time Sharks have come back from 1-3 down to do that. MAF let in a MAF Pens era goal. Real stinker. the MAF I expected in the playoffs last year Indeed. |
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 21, 2019 23:45:10 GMT -5
You wouldn't have known that by Berg's responses to reporters before both Radulov and Markov decided to leave. Final offers. No further negotiations. If I told you what Radulov's agent was asking in January..... First come, first served.... If you really want to keep somebody, you keep those cards really close, no? On Canadiens' TermsMore of the sameI'm recalling the actual press conference. He was noticeably displeased/frustrated by how things played out with Radulov - which is a different bushel of apples than Markov. Understood. |
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Post by Cranky on Apr 22, 2019 2:51:51 GMT -5
I'm recalling the actual press conference. He was noticeably displeased/frustrated by how things played out with Radulov - which is a different bushel of apples than Markov. If I remember right, he also said he was going to or did match the offer. Why would Radulov accept 2 million less net? To match, he had to offer 2 million more. There is no way in the world that Bergavin didn't know this. To claim otherwise is to have utter contempt for fans. |
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Post by jkr on Apr 22, 2019 7:03:51 GMT -5
Hertl scores a SH goal to win in OT, forcing game seven. First time Sharks have come back from 1-3 down to do that. MAF let in a MAF Pens era goal. Real stinker. I didn't think much of the Sharks 1st goal either. Similar shot. |
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 22, 2019 7:58:40 GMT -5
I'm recalling the actual press conference. He was noticeably displeased/frustrated by how things played out with Radulov - which is a different bushel of apples than Markov. If I remember right, he also said he was going to or did match the offer. Why would Radulov accept 2 million less net? To match, he had to offer 2 million more. There is no way in the world that Bergavin didn't know this. To claim otherwise is to have utter contempt for fans. Two other Berg quotes from that July 2, 2017 presser that stick out to me: MB on Alzner - "He's got a really good gap, a great stick, a good first pass. He'll never run numbers. But he's a top 4 for sure."
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Post by jkr on Apr 22, 2019 20:49:31 GMT -5
Carolina about to stretch this to 7 games. It's 5-2 with a minute to go.
Unfortunately the referees had a big impact on this game. With the score 3-2 for the Canes, Washington scores. But wait, the referees pull the "I intended to blow the whistle "play & disallow the goal.
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Post by franko on Apr 22, 2019 20:55:38 GMT -5
Unfortunately the referees had a big impact on this game. With the score 3-2 for the Canes, Washington scores. But wait, the referees pull the "I intended to blow the whistle "play & disallow the goal. Ya it was a bogus call. Unless it was goaltender interference on Ovie, but that's still bogus. |
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Post by franko on Apr 22, 2019 22:13:09 GMT -5
Nashville PP taking lessons from MTL, or vice versa.
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Post by franko on Apr 22, 2019 22:58:19 GMT -5
Preds out. 0-12 on the PP will do you in
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 23:43:15 GMT -5
Radulov sinks his former team.
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Bergevin...
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Post by seventeen on Apr 22, 2019 23:58:19 GMT -5
All the favourites are falling. A pretender will win this year. But even that pretender will have at least one elite talent.
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Post by Willie Dog on Apr 23, 2019 5:36:25 GMT -5
Preds out. 0-12 on the PP will do you in How, with the set of forwards and D, does that happen? |
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Post by franko on Apr 23, 2019 5:50:15 GMT -5
Preds out. 0-12 on the PP will do you in How, with the set of forwards and D, does that happen? practice practice practice, I guess. they were worse than the Habs in the regular season . . .  |
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 23, 2019 6:02:46 GMT -5
Preds out. 0-12 on the PP will do you in How, with the set of forwards and D, does that happen? Believe it or not, the Preds were down with us most of the year re: PP%. They actually finished last at 12.9%. We were next at 13.2%. Success did not magically appear in the post-season. ==================== Toronto's PP, however, has been letting them down, while Boston's is clicking along nicely. Tampa's league-best PP was 0-5 in the first 2 games....no PPOs in Game 3....and 1-1 in Game 4. Their whole game was off. |
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Post by blny on Apr 23, 2019 6:08:29 GMT -5
Preds need to add goals. Injuries are a concern for PK now and going forward. He was on the ice for a number of goals against, but I wouldn't outright blame him for them. Forsberg, Arvidsson, and Johansen are supposed to lead them offensively. That didn't happen. Looked like Bonino's line with Watson and Boyle was perhaps their best.
I don't have an issue with the disallowed goal against Caps. I think it was Lebrun that shared the NHL explanation. It was deemed during review that Ovi used his stick to push the goalie and dislodge the puck. That's not allowed. That the ref was unable to blow his whistle before the puck crossed the line is not relevant.
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Post by franko on Apr 23, 2019 6:37:47 GMT -5
I don't have an issue with the disallowed goal against Caps. I think it was Lebrun that shared the NHL explanation. It was deemed during review that Ovi used his stick to push the goalie and dislodge the puck. That's not allowed. That the ref was unable to blow his whistle before the puck crossed the line is not relevant. that's about what I thought at the time. but why is Lebrun explaining it . . . why wasn't it stated on ice: "the call on the ice stands" is not enough. but the people in the stands are only paying fans, they don't need to know anything about what is going on. |
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Post by blny on Apr 23, 2019 7:12:18 GMT -5
I don't have an issue with the disallowed goal against Caps. I think it was Lebrun that shared the NHL explanation. It was deemed during review that Ovi used his stick to push the goalie and dislodge the puck. That's not allowed. That the ref was unable to blow his whistle before the puck crossed the line is not relevant. that's about what I thought at the time. but why is Lebrun explaining it . . . why wasn't it stated on ice: "the call on the ice stands" is not enough. but the people in the stands are only paying fans, they don't need to know anything about what is going on. Lebrun took a screenshot of the NHL release - which comes out during the game - and shared it on twitter. I saw on the nhl.com highlight pack that the ref said that the call on the ice was confirmed and it's no goal. I would agree that training the refs to make an explanation along with the result is a good idea. NFL refs tend to do that - though some are better speakers than others. It shouldn't be enough to say yay or nay. All the ref had to say was, "as a result of the Washington player using his stick to push the goalie there is no goal on the play." |
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Post by Boston_Habs on Apr 23, 2019 10:53:34 GMT -5
Nashville obviously leads with probably the best top 4 D group in the league and a solid goalie in Rinne, but offense has let them down again. They are pretty much committed to the same team again so it will be interesting to see if they deal one of the big 4 (Josi, Subban, Ellis, Ekholm) to change the dynamic. |
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Post by blny on Apr 23, 2019 11:53:55 GMT -5
Nashville obviously leads with probably the best top 4 D group in the league and a solid goalie in Rinne, but offense has let them down again. They are pretty much committed to the same team again so it will be interesting to see if they deal one of the big 4 (Josi, Subban, Ellis, Ekholm) to change the dynamic. They were one of the teams that was rumoured to be interested in going after Duchene (either at the deadline or July 1). I think one of the top 4 has to go to allow for that. Fabbro is there too, so it might push that move along as well. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 12:00:28 GMT -5
Preds need to add goals. Injuries are a concern for PK now and going forward. He was on the ice for a number of goals against, but I wouldn't outright blame him for them. Forsberg, Arvidsson, and Johansen are supposed to lead them offensively. That didn't happen. Looked like Bonino's line with Watson and Boyle was perhaps their best. I don't have an issue with the disallowed goal against Caps. I think it was Lebrun that shared the NHL explanation. It was deemed during review that Ovi used his stick to push the goalie and dislodge the puck. That's not allowed. That the ref was unable to blow his whistle before the puck crossed the line is not relevant. What a turn of events. They were two wins away from the Stanley Cup two years ago, and even then, couldn't get goals when they needed it. Goaltending and defense let the Predators down last year. This year, they couldn't score. Yeesh. |
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Post by blny on Apr 23, 2019 12:55:16 GMT -5
Preds need to add goals. Injuries are a concern for PK now and going forward. He was on the ice for a number of goals against, but I wouldn't outright blame him for them. Forsberg, Arvidsson, and Johansen are supposed to lead them offensively. That didn't happen. Looked like Bonino's line with Watson and Boyle was perhaps their best. I don't have an issue with the disallowed goal against Caps. I think it was Lebrun that shared the NHL explanation. It was deemed during review that Ovi used his stick to push the goalie and dislodge the puck. That's not allowed. That the ref was unable to blow his whistle before the puck crossed the line is not relevant. What a turn of events. They were two wins away from the Stanley Cup two years ago, and even then, couldn't get goals when they needed it. Goaltending and defense let the Predators down last year. This year, they couldn't score. Yeesh. It is a shame, because I thought Rinne played pretty well. Bishop was quite good. Both teams hit posts last night. Poile clearly expected Turris to be much more of a contributor. He's tailed off, and this year the injury to start the year really curtailed him. I've never really been a fan of his though. |
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