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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 12, 2019 17:48:49 GMT -5
There's a job advising people how to harrass others? Where do I apply? Don't laugh, dude, but I had to organize security for a section of NDHQ, Ottawa, in preparation for protesters ... these were professional protesters, folks who actually get paid to show up and protest whatever they're told to ... the most famous professional protester was the sap Jean Chretien threw to the ground with what's known now as the Shawinigan Handshake * ... anyway, we knew when they'd be there doing their thing because they don't miss meals ... they'll have breakfast at home and be back on the bus and home for supper ... so, yeah, there are jobs like that  ... Cheers. You mean where Jean Chretien became Hull Hogan?  |
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Post by Cranky on Nov 12, 2019 18:00:32 GMT -5
I'm sure Remembrance Day means a lot to minorities and recent immigrants (last 20 years). Fun Facts......visible minorities make up 22.3% of the Canadian population and only 7.2% of the Canadian armed forces DESPITE targeted attempts to recruit them. (Ohhhh and just for the record, my father-in-law suffered horrendous PSD and my father lost an eye.) As a visible minority myself, I find it not racist, but extremely awkward when such topics are boiled down to race and race alone. Don't you think there are tons of other factors that would be worth presenting? Or does it really just all come down to one's complexion? Socio-economic background, whether you're first generation, second generation, etc... none of that matters? And really, what is our expectation? Do we expect immigrants to arrive to Canada and to immediately adopt the same depth of love for our country as a family that has been here for generations? I think it's only natural that this takes time. If anything, the metric that one would want to see is that the percentage you presented is rising. And according to this article, it is: globalnews.ca/news/4450927/canada-armed-forces-diversity-goals-digital-recruiting/
"At the end of fiscal 2018, visible minorities made up 7.2 per cent of the regular Forces versus 6 per cent in 2016. The 2026 target is 11.8 per cent."And sometimes it helps to just know what life is like on the other side. For one thing, I find it very annoying that the corporate world is so hesitant to reach out to visible minorities, yet the armed forces are specifically targeting this demographic. As much as I support the Armed Forces, there's some conflict that comes with the thought of joining. I can only imagine what women go through when they consider joining the forces. Just my 2 cents... I think we all lack a full perspective on this. Yes, I do expect everyone who is a permanent resident of Canada to "adopt" Canada. My parents were here in the 50's and never cared to integrate. To them, it was always about the money and not the country. A thought shared by a large number of fellow immigrants. THEN and NOW. They had no problem enjoying the fruits of the country, but never any though of donating back as a community. So yes, I know a thing or ten about "immigrant mentality" and "the other side". And yes, up close and personal. I resented that and even though I am not born here, I consider myself Canadian. Proudly so. Actually, somewhat of Canadian nationalist*, which of course is spun by some to mean right wing "nut". As for "visible minority", the terms itself should disappear and have no meaning...but it can only be done if it doesn't exist. *a person who strongly identifies with their own nation and vigorously supports its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 12, 2019 18:16:18 GMT -5
As a visible minority myself, I find it not racist, but extremely awkward when such topics are boiled down to race and race alone. Don't you think there are tons of other factors that would be worth presenting? Or does it really just all come down to one's complexion? Socio-economic background, whether you're first generation, second generation, etc... none of that matters? And really, what is our expectation? Do we expect immigrants to arrive to Canada and to immediately adopt the same depth of love for our country as a family that has been here for generations? I think it's only natural that this takes time. If anything, the metric that one would want to see is that the percentage you presented is rising. And according to this article, it is: globalnews.ca/news/4450927/canada-armed-forces-diversity-goals-digital-recruiting/
"At the end of fiscal 2018, visible minorities made up 7.2 per cent of the regular Forces versus 6 per cent in 2016. The 2026 target is 11.8 per cent."And sometimes it helps to just know what life is like on the other side. For one thing, I find it very annoying that the corporate world is so hesitant to reach out to visible minorities, yet the armed forces are specifically targeting this demographic. As much as I support the Armed Forces, there's some conflict that comes with the thought of joining. I can only imagine what women go through when they consider joining the forces. Just my 2 cents... I think we all lack a full perspective on this. Yes, I do expect everyone who is a permanent resident of Canada to "adopt" Canada. My parents were here in the 50's and never cared to integrate. To them, it was always about the money and not the country. A thought shared by a large number of fellow immigrants. THEN and NOW. They had no problem enjoying the fruits of the country, but never any though of donating back as a community. So yes, I know a thing or ten about "immigrant mentality" and "the other side". And yes, up close and personal. I resented that and even though I am not born here, I consider myself Canadian. Proudly so. Actually, somewhat of Canadian nationalist*, which of course is spun by some to mean right wing "nut". As for "visible minority", the terms itself should disappear and have no meaning...but it can only be done if it doesn't exist. *a person who strongly identifies with their own nation and vigorously supports its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations. I agree, my parents came from Lebanon in the 50s and stayed mostly within their community, although they owned multiple businesses(restaurants not corner stores.... like the joke that says "why can't Lebs play hockey... because everytime they go in the corner they open a store"). I on the other hand am proudly Canadian and have no desire to live elsewhere (except for a few months of the winter when I retire)... Funny, my wife went back to England for a few weeks in September and almost kissed the ground when she came back... she proudly announced Canada is the greatest country in the world. I gave her a hug for that. |
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Post by Cranky on Nov 12, 2019 18:31:41 GMT -5
Now imagine it the ahole was lucid enough to make a case about minorities joining the forces. On the other hand, even if he said...."we need more visible minorities to join our great Canadian Armed Forces". On the face of it, not racist, but how much are you willing to bet that it would be spun around as "racist", even though factually, they are joining at 1/3 the rate? Within minutes, there would be an outcry of racism and examples of visible minorities in uniform splattered everywhere in the media....but the fact would be buried. This is what is so confusing to me about the whole scenario ... Don Cherry didn't really think this one out too much, because if he had he'd have remembered seeing lots of immigrants who already wear the uniform in defence of the country ... and if he remembered those soldiers he'd probably have remembered seeing scads of immigrant policemen who wear the uniform to keep our communities safe ... Cherry has always come across as a hot summer puddle tinker. That is why I couldn't care less for him. What I lament is that he did not use the enormous platform he had to promote signing up for our armed forces. He could of been the ultimate clown in hockey, but his work and love for our forces can not be denied. Sadly, he is doing as much damage, if not more, by giving cover to racist outburst, which of course will be magnified. My dad had no problem me joining the old world air force, but not in Canada. He even had "connections" lined up for me to join in when I was there, which of course I rejected and left to make my own life.......back in Canada. An argument could be made that I was free to join anytime after that, but it's not so easy when all alone...doubling down on "all alone" in the military. Weekend passes to where? I thought long and hard about it back then, in a way, it would of been much easier on me, but..... And yes, I have done well for myself, but money is a byproduct, which if I had a re-do, would be for something more meaningful. Those F-104 and CF-101 couldn't fly themselves!  |
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Post by Cranky on Nov 12, 2019 18:45:11 GMT -5
Yes, I do expect everyone who is a permanent resident of Canada to "adopt" Canada. My parents were here in the 50's and never cared to integrate. To them, it was always about the money and not the country. A thought shared by a large number of fellow immigrants. THEN and NOW. They had no problem enjoying the fruits of the country, but never any though of donating back as a community. So yes, I know a thing or ten about "immigrant mentality" and "the other side". And yes, up close and personal. I resented that and even though I am not born here, I consider myself Canadian. Proudly so. Actually, somewhat of Canadian nationalist*, which of course is spun by some to mean right wing "nut". As for "visible minority", the terms itself should disappear and have no meaning...but it can only be done if it doesn't exist. *a person who strongly identifies with their own nation and vigorously supports its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations. I agree, my parents came from Lebanon in the 50s and stayed mostly within their community, although they owned multiple businesses(restaurants not corner stores.... like the joke that says "why can't Lebs play hockey... because everytime they go in the corner they open a store"). I on the other hand am proudly Canadian and have no desire to live elsewhere (except for a few months of the winter when I retire)... Funny, my wife went back to England for a few weeks in September and almost kissed the ground when she came back... she proudly announced Canada is the greatest country in the world. I gave her a hug for that. If I ask to gave her a hug too, would that be awkward? There is a perception that new immigrants are facing tougher, maybe even racist experiences then older immigrants. That's epic horse pucks. While there was no "visible" minority issues, there was absolutely no safety net back then. You either worked or starved. Nor any protection from straight up racism. When the bossed called you out with any racist garbage, you turned the other cheek and kept washing those dishes, cleaning those bathrooms or working those 60 hour weeks. There was no "visible" added to minority, but there was certainly no shortage of "greesy greeks", "pork chops", "greaseballs".....and a lot worse. As for living elsewhere.... I have extensive properties in the old country, which some consider paradise. Super easy transition to there or here, no i$$ues, but you can't make me take anymore then month long doses there....or anywhere. So beat me with a carbon fiber hockey stick if I consider myself an overtly proud Canadian. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 12, 2019 19:01:34 GMT -5
I agree, my parents came from Lebanon in the 50s and stayed mostly within their community, although they owned multiple businesses(restaurants not corner stores.... like the joke that says "why can't Lebs play hockey... because everytime they go in the corner they open a store"). I on the other hand am proudly Canadian and have no desire to live elsewhere (except for a few months of the winter when I retire)... Funny, my wife went back to England for a few weeks in September and almost kissed the ground when she came back... she proudly announced Canada is the greatest country in the world. I gave her a hug for that. If I ask to gave her a hug too, would that be awkward? There is a perception that new immigrants are facing tougher, maybe even racist experiences then older immigrants. That's epic horse pucks. While there was no "visible" minority issues, there was absolutely no safety net back then. You either worked or starved. Nor any protection from straight up racism. When the bossed called you out with any racist garbage, you turned the other cheek and kept washing those dishes, cleaning those bathrooms or working those 60 hour weeks. There was no "visible" added to minority, but there was certainly no shortage of "greesy greeks", "pork chops", "greaseballs".....and a lot worse. As for living elsewhere.... I have extensive properties in the old country, which some consider paradise. Super easy transition to there or here, no i$$ues, but you can't make me take anymore then month long doses there....or anywhere. So beat me with a carbon fiber hockey stick if I consider myself an overtly proud Canadian. I agree, immigrants had it tougher because the safety net was not as accessible and using social assistance was frowned upon, so most immigrants back then worked crazy hours/multiple jobs |
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 12, 2019 19:08:25 GMT -5
Of course another Leaf Lover is reported to be next in line for the job, Brian Burke ,of Burkies Dogs fame, is at the top of the list... I agree with BLNY, Weekes would be a good choice... but so would PK Subban.... or Sugar Sammy.
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Post by franko on Nov 12, 2019 19:46:05 GMT -5
While there was no "visible" minority issues it was "invisible" minority . . . your language/accent gave you away . . . and you had to decide togoing to take it and make it. now it's a complaint and a run to the HRC. and an "OK, Boomer". which is nothing more than a snarky condescending answer for those who don't have an answer. I'm going to reply "OK punk" if I hear it. |
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Post by frozone on Nov 12, 2019 20:00:58 GMT -5
As a visible minority myself, I find it not racist, but extremely awkward when such topics are boiled down to race and race alone. Don't you think there are tons of other factors that would be worth presenting? Or does it really just all come down to one's complexion? Socio-economic background, whether you're first generation, second generation, etc... none of that matters? And really, what is our expectation? Do we expect immigrants to arrive to Canada and to immediately adopt the same depth of love for our country as a family that has been here for generations? I think it's only natural that this takes time. If anything, the metric that one would want to see is that the percentage you presented is rising. And according to this article, it is: globalnews.ca/news/4450927/canada-armed-forces-diversity-goals-digital-recruiting/
"At the end of fiscal 2018, visible minorities made up 7.2 per cent of the regular Forces versus 6 per cent in 2016. The 2026 target is 11.8 per cent."And sometimes it helps to just know what life is like on the other side. For one thing, I find it very annoying that the corporate world is so hesitant to reach out to visible minorities, yet the armed forces are specifically targeting this demographic. As much as I support the Armed Forces, there's some conflict that comes with the thought of joining. I can only imagine what women go through when they consider joining the forces. Just my 2 cents... I think we all lack a full perspective on this. My parents were here in the 50's and never cared to integrate. To them, it was always about the money and not the country. A thought shared by a large number of fellow immigrants. THEN and NOW. They had no problem enjoying the fruits of the country, but never any though of donating back as a community. So yes, I know a thing or ten about "immigrant mentality" and "the other side". And yes, up close and personal. I resented that and even though I am not born here, I consider myself Canadian. Proudly so. Actually, somewhat of Canadian nationalist*, which of course is spun by some to mean right wing "nut". As for "visible minority", the terms itself should disappear and have no meaning...but it can only be done if it doesn't exist. *a person who strongly identifies with their own nation and vigorously supports its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations. I don't understand... where did I say that it was ok for immigrants to not adopt Canada? Adopting your new country is a non negotiable. I'm talking about how much time should it take for new residents to fully integrate and acquire the same depth of love for our country? It's an honest question. Myself, I tend to think that the interactions with other Canadians plays a big part in building your connection to the new country. Making new friends. Meeting veterans. Ceremonies, museums and field trips. Really, your love and connection to your country should continually strengthen over time with new experiences, shouldn't it? And then when you have kids, you help them build that same connection to our country that you have already built. The reality is that none of us come out of the womb as patriots. We're given time to learn about our country and nurture our connection to it. If our expectation of new residents is for them to completely maximize their connection to the new country on day 1, then how is that realistically possible? We might as well just live in Don Cherry's binary world where you either wear the poppy or you don't. You adopt our country or you don't. No room for nuance. If we consider this topic to be so simple it will always remain a polarized debate. For the record, I think the worst part about Don Cherry's firing isn't what he said. Rather, the worst part is that the conversation will be silenced prematurely without resolution or agreement. |
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Post by Cranky on Nov 12, 2019 20:06:23 GMT -5
While there was no "visible" minority issues it was "invisible" minority . . . your language/accent gave you away . . . and you had to decide togoing to take it and make it. now it's a complaint and a run to the HRC. and an "OK, Boomer". which is nothing more than a snarky condescending answer for those who don't have an answer. I'm going to reply "OK punk" if I hear it. There was a sign in my fathers factory, which I also worked in at 13. Yes, full time summer job at 13. NO WORK. NO EAT. Try to imagine the twitter outrage if now, a company had a sign like that. Back then, it was just reality that you worked your butt off to overcome poverty, now, it's up there in righteous indignation....with a good portion of it from people whose idea of hard times is an aging cell phone. I wish I stole that sign...to hang it up in my den. |
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Post by Cranky on Nov 12, 2019 20:22:18 GMT -5
For the record, I think the worst part about Don Cherry's firing isn't what he said. Rather, the worst part is that the conversation will be silenced prematurely without resolution or agreement. If you mean that we are not talking about more immigrants, woman and indigenous people joining our armed forces and giving air time to racist braying AND those who live to bray about the braying...then we are exactly on the same page. I'm not sure how much time, but it's certainly not decades. It certainly shouldn't be measured in generations. These are adults who make a conscious decision to leave their old country to live in Canada. As for my response, I have a bit of a hair trigger when it comes to immigration and integration. For me, one can be a Canadian of XXX background.....but not the other way around. Otherwise, one is just a visitor, or a guest worker. Tough conversation.... |
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Post by frozone on Nov 12, 2019 23:03:04 GMT -5
For the record, I think the worst part about Don Cherry's firing isn't what he said. Rather, the worst part is that the conversation will be silenced prematurely without resolution or agreement. If you mean that we are not talking about more immigrants, woman and indigenous people joining our armed forces and giving air time to racist braying AND those who live to bray about the braying...then we are exactly on the same page. I'm not sure how much time, but it's certainly not decades. It certainly shouldn't be measured in generations. These are adults who make a conscious decision to leave their old country to live in Canada. As for my response, I have a bit of a hair trigger when it comes to immigration and integration. For me, one can be a Canadian of XXX background.....but not the other way around. Otherwise, one is just a visitor, or a guest worker. Tough conversation.... Tough conversation indeed. But your expectations are fair. Because they are realistically achievable for any newcomer. PK Subban’s parents are a pretty good example of immigration and integration. Sadly, I don’t think Don Cherry ever really warmed up to the Subban family. And that makes PK my #1 choice to replace Don Cherry. In due time... |
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Post by GNick99 on Nov 13, 2019 7:52:18 GMT -5
Them old fellows get a little too emotional on WWII. Go to far. Different with younger generation. THings have changed.
The old man used to get on one of them war kicks. About one out of every 10 Remembrance days. What they went thru and stuff. He never served, he was 17 in 1945. But knew 20-30 from community who served, he lost a couple of older friends from high school to the war.
Imagine they had their right to be overhyped. Around 45,000 Canadians died in WW2. Don't sound like Germany was any push over.
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Post by jkr on Nov 13, 2019 8:03:50 GMT -5
Saw Cherry last night being interviewed on FOX news by Tucker Carlson - about as conservative as they get down there.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2019 9:42:07 GMT -5
Saw Cherry last night being interviewed on FOX news by Tucker Carlson - about as conservative as they get down there. A news network that essentially supports white nationalism. What a good look, Don. Then he listed several good things he's done....but "two words and I'm payin' the price". Typical "tough guy"/bullying tactic: be the aggressor, then play the victim when your actions have consequences. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 13, 2019 11:19:51 GMT -5
I agree, my parents came from Lebanon in the 50s and stayed mostly within their community, although they owned multiple businesses(restaurants not corner stores.... like the joke that says "why can't Lebs play hockey... because everytime they go in the corner they open a store"). I had a lot of Lebanese friends growing up ... some of them had the best hash  ... I lost touch with a lot of them as time went on, but I've stayed in touch with a few of them ... I don't know if you'd remember the Rassi Dining Lounge (it's Mr. Shawarma now) ... it was in the strip mall on the corner of Greenbank and Baseline ... I became friends with the entire family but "J" was the same age as me and we hit it off right away ... "J" went on to own the restaurant at 21, while I joined the service at the same age ... the Rassi brothers also had a government cafeteria on the corner of Baseline and Heron ... they did really well ... Cheers. |
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Post by blny on Nov 13, 2019 12:24:41 GMT -5
Yes, I do expect everyone who is a permanent resident of Canada to "adopt" Canada. My parents were here in the 50's and never cared to integrate. To them, it was always about the money and not the country. A thought shared by a large number of fellow immigrants. THEN and NOW. They had no problem enjoying the fruits of the country, but never any though of donating back as a community. So yes, I know a thing or ten about "immigrant mentality" and "the other side". And yes, up close and personal. I resented that and even though I am not born here, I consider myself Canadian. Proudly so. Actually, somewhat of Canadian nationalist*, which of course is spun by some to mean right wing "nut". As for "visible minority", the terms itself should disappear and have no meaning...but it can only be done if it doesn't exist. *a person who strongly identifies with their own nation and vigorously supports its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations. I agree, my parents came from Lebanon in the 50s and stayed mostly within their community, although they owned multiple businesses(restaurants not corner stores.... like the joke that says "why can't Lebs play hockey... because everytime they go in the corner they open a store"). I on the other hand am proudly Canadian and have no desire to live elsewhere (except for a few months of the winter when I retire)... Funny, my wife went back to England for a few weeks in September and almost kissed the ground when she came back... she proudly announced Canada is the greatest country in the world. I gave her a hug for that. The stuff we're seeing egged on by Cherry, Rebel, Faith Goldy, etc. is what's going on in England. Insulated, (white) nationalistic rhetoric. A friend and former colleague of mine was born there, but came to Canada as a child with her family. She went back there after university and met her husband there. They moved to Canada together. They saw the infancy of it over there - particularly in the Midlands where they were - and wanted to get away from it. |
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Post by blny on Nov 13, 2019 12:28:08 GMT -5
Saw Cherry last night being interviewed on FOX news by Tucker Carlson - about as conservative as they get down there. He's done Rebel Media spots too. They no doubt sought him out, but if he had a decent handler, they'd have told him not to do it. It only further exposes him. They'll make him out to be a martyr, but if he wanted to truly make a sacrifice he'd go on a Canadian national network and issue an apology. I haven't watched the Carlson piece, and I won't, but I'm told he came off like a hot mess. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 13, 2019 14:16:56 GMT -5
I agree, my parents came from Lebanon in the 50s and stayed mostly within their community, although they owned multiple businesses(restaurants not corner stores.... like the joke that says "why can't Lebs play hockey... because everytime they go in the corner they open a store"). I had a lot of Lebanese friends growing up ... some of them had the best hash ... I lost touch with a lot of them as time went on, but I've stayed in touch with a few of them ... I don't know if you'd remember the Rassi Dining Lounge (it's Mr. Shawarma now) ... it was in the strip mall on the corner of Greenbank and Baseline ... I became friends with the entire family but "J" was the same age as me and we hit it off right away ... "J" went on to own the restaurant at 21, while I joined the service at the same age ... the Rassi brothers also had a government cafeteria on the corner of Baseline and Heron ... they did really well ... Cheers. Oh man, I remember that place... it was around for ages. I used to deliver to that place when I worked for Tannis Trading... that was in another lifetime. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 20:35:12 GMT -5
Orr: "He's not a bigot and he's not a racist."
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Post by CentreHice on Nov 14, 2019 22:14:22 GMT -5
Once again we have Orr making Cherry look better than he really is. Sorry, couldn't resist. Will Orr be branded a racist-supporter now? I doubt it. He's being a loyal friend, using the Don's a great guy who simply misspoke angle. Can Bobby get the coach out of the corner? |
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Post by CentreHice on Nov 20, 2019 12:04:36 GMT -5
Didn't take long. Grapevine podcast. Son and longtime business partner/producer, Tim Cherry, at the helm as producer and host. Gotta protect the brand/legacy. Understood. Warmington doesn't get it, IMO. |
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Post by franko on Nov 20, 2019 13:47:24 GMT -5
Didn't take long. Grapevine podcast. Son and longtime business partner/producer, Tim Cherry, at the helm as producer and host. Gotta protect the brand/legacy. Understood. Warmington doesn't get it, IMO. heard * an interview with Warmington . . . he's a Cherry shill. *edited "herd" to "heard" . . . but the former word might be right when it comes to followers of Cherry. still hearing support for his comments: "everyone knows that 'you people' means 'everybody' " . . . forgetting that he immediately followed that with "come over here". it was a directed statement to a specific group, Don (and your sheep), not a generalization to those in Canada (including possible long-timers) who don't wear poppies. |
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Post by Cranky on Nov 20, 2019 15:53:51 GMT -5
Didn't take long. Grapevine podcast. Son and longtime business partner/producer, Tim Cherry, at the helm as producer and host. Gotta protect the brand/legacy. Understood. Warmington doesn't get it, IMO. [/quote] MESSAGE FROM CENTREHICE Crap. I hit "edit" instead of "quote"..and I edited your post to make a reply. Sorry.... His family has been all-in on the "Cherry persona" from Day 1. Tim Cherry produced the Rock'em Sock'em series starting in 1989. I would presume Tim's been in on many, if not all, of his father's business dealings. As I posted above, Tim's also the force behind the new podcast. |
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Post by jkr on Nov 20, 2019 18:27:44 GMT -5
Didn't take long. Grapevine podcast. Son and longtime business partner/producer, Tim Cherry, at the helm as producer and host. Gotta protect the brand/legacy. Understood. Warmington doesn't get it, IMO. Ya. When he talks about Cherry exercising free speech or how McLean turned on him, he's completely mixed the point. |
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Post by Cranky on Nov 20, 2019 18:46:09 GMT -5
See what happens when they give Mod-God powers to mere mortals! All good, no worries. I've done it too. Particularly when on the phone.
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Post by CentreHice on Nov 20, 2019 19:10:16 GMT -5
Talk on Sportsnet now is that Dubas built the team more for Keefe than for Babcock.
Elliotte Friedman agreed.
Also that Babcock likely knew his days were numbered when Lamoriello was let go.
Now Dubas has his coach.
How long before Babcock finds another HC position--presuming he wants one?
Could this experience make other GMs wary...especially considering the price tag?
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Post by jkr on Nov 20, 2019 20:35:17 GMT -5
Talk on Sportsnet now is that Dubas built the team more for Keefe than for Babcock. Elliotte Friedman agreed. Also that Babcock likely knew his days were numbered when Lamoriello was let go. Now Dubas has his coach. How long before Babcock finds another HC position--presuming he wants one? Could this experience make other GMs wary...especially considering the price tag? What does Keefe want? A team that ties up half it's cap in 4 players and has no defense? They still have issues that they can't fix because of the way Dubas managed the cap. |
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