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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 13, 2020 10:18:31 GMT -5
It wasn't MB that wanted to give PK that contract. He was forced to do it by Molson at the last hour. I didn't mind the contract at the time but Subban's game went seriously downhill his last two seasons in Montreal. He was average last year in Nashville and the same again this year in Jersey. I certainly wouldn't want him for 2 more years at 18 million. Weber is better worth the money at 7 million a year than PK at 9 million. You can really forget the term on Weber's contract because his actual salary is only I think 2 million in dollars. His leadership, his on ice presence and shot are still good for a few more years even if he only became a PP specialist for someone's playoff run. He doesn't have any NMC like the Habs would have had in keeping Subban and if Weber does get traded his contract goes with him and if he retires everything owed reverts back to Nashville. As long as Weber is productive the Habs have nothing to worry about. If they want to move him down the road, and someone (Leafs, Rangers, Bruins)will always make room for him even if Montreal retains half his cap hit, which is not real dollars. Weber is easily movable but PK could have been a financial anchor for Montreal in hindsight. According to CapFriendly, Webers salary is 6 million this year and the next few. If it was 2 million, there would be howls because that would be another 5 million in Molson's pocket
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Post by jkr on Jan 13, 2020 10:49:53 GMT -5
Subban's game went downhill his last 2 years in MTL? Sounds like revisionist history.
He had 21 goals, 111 points & was plus 25. Doesnt look like a downhill trajectory to me.
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Post by franko on Jan 13, 2020 10:50:30 GMT -5
Weber is certainly playing better hockey than Subban. Nevertheless, I think the response of most if not all GMs around the league would be NO if you asked them the following questions: Would you like Subban for 2 years at $9 million per; would you like Weber for 6 years at $7.86 million per. hindsight, really . . . at the time of signing it would have been "yes". both players had the teams over the barrel.
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Post by jkr on Jan 13, 2020 10:57:59 GMT -5
Weber is certainly playing better hockey than Subban. Nevertheless, I think the response of most if not all GMs around the league would be NO if you asked them the following questions: Would you like Subban for 2 years at $9 million per; would you like Weber for 6 years at $7.86 million per. hindsight, really . . . at the time of signing it would have been "yes". both players had the teams over the barrel. But the post you reference isn't looking back. It's looking forward. What would you do right now.
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Post by Skilly on Jan 13, 2020 11:12:57 GMT -5
Id just like to point out … for information purposes only … that
Drouin - Kotkamiemi - Armia was a line that played ONLY the first 7 games of the season … Drouin was moved off the line in place of Byron (who only played 3 games with them)
Lehkonen - Kotkaniemi - Armia was a line that only played 2 games together all year
Fair chance?
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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 13, 2020 12:01:03 GMT -5
Id just like to point out … for information purposes only … that Drouin - Kotkamiemi - Armia was a line that played ONLY the first 7 games of the season … Drouin was moved off the line in place of Byron (who only played 3 games with them) Lehkonen - Kotkaniemi - Armia was a line that only played 2 games together all year Fair chance? Example of KK struggles due to team injuries
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Post by PTH on Jan 13, 2020 12:03:13 GMT -5
... Regarding the changes afoot in the Devils organization, a guy who could be a viable candidate in Montreal (Brodeur) may ultimately get the GM position in New Jersey. Not that Molson probably cares, since after all in his mind he probably believes that he has assembled a front office dream team that is the envy of the league. Actually, that fits with my conspiracy theory. I think Molson is already looking for his next GM, sending out feelers, etc. And the Devils, who I think have long had Brodeur in mind as an eventual GM, realized it might well be now or never for them, given he's a sure thing to be on Montreal's very short list. So Shero is out, and Brodeur will be named at the end of a bit of a sham process, in a few days or weeks.
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Post by jkr on Jan 13, 2020 12:18:34 GMT -5
Your theory makes sense. Keep all organizational talent away from your competitors.
I wonder about Shero's language skills. His mother was francophone & in bios I have seen today he is referred to as Rejean. His brother is Jean Paul. I know he was born in the U.S. but maybe he speaks French?
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Post by franko on Jan 13, 2020 12:27:26 GMT -5
hindsight, really . . . at the time of signing it would have been "yes". both players had the teams over the barrel. But the post you reference isn't looking back. It's looking forward. What would you do right now. then I misread, and the point is moot. would you sign Carey for $10? would you sign whomever for whatever if they didn't have a contract? that's easy to discuss but not germane (so why am I discussing it? who knows? lol).
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Post by The Habitual Fan on Jan 13, 2020 12:30:28 GMT -5
Subban's game went downhill his last 2 years in MTL? Sounds like revisionist history. He had 21 goals, 111 points & was plus 25. Doesnt look like a downhill trajectory to me. Sorry I should have clarified that defensively his game was not as good as the previous two years. I know some will jump on me because of his +/-, his defensive partner, and so on. That is just my opinion by watching him play. I liked PK the first couple of years in Montreal, I was happy to see him win the Norris, I felt he was the only reason they beat the Bruins in the playoffs, I was OK with the contract but his last couple of years in Montreal I felt he was just as much a liability in his own end on the ice as he was productive in the other teams end. I was happy to see him traded and still think MB got more than I would have expected in return. Again just my opinion.
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Post by folatre on Jan 13, 2020 14:03:19 GMT -5
PTH, it could be.
However, most insiders like McKenzie and Lebrun who talk to a lot of people around league seem to think that Bergevin does not run the risk of losing his job this summer.
I have no idea how Molson would react if profits started taking a notable decline, but at least in terms of hockey results Molson does not strike me as a very demanding boss.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jan 13, 2020 14:50:22 GMT -5
The latest Brodeur's news.
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Post by UberCranky on Jan 13, 2020 15:33:51 GMT -5
You ready for this?
I had a dream that Bbinz was fired. Nothing spectacular other then hazily remember reading about it and letting out a celebratory YES.
Obviously he has entered my subconcious, a very dangerous place to be! I'm not responsible for what happens to him. Lol
It's getting to be funny and sad.
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Post by jkr on Jan 13, 2020 15:45:48 GMT -5
Molson doesn't care how bad the team is. He won't do anything until the building looks like the Florida game last night - after the Leaf fans had left.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 13, 2020 18:11:51 GMT -5
Molson doesn't care how bad the team is. He won't do anything until the building looks like the Florida game last night - after the Leaf fans had left. That will never happen... the pride and fire is gone from the fan base in Montreal... They've become 70's Leafs fans... happy that they can get a ticket to the game, drink a crappy overpriced beer and a Saperlipopettety overpriced hot dog... sad... just sad. At least fans in ottawa aren't going... it's the visitors fans that are making it bearable for Melnyk
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 14, 2020 0:17:01 GMT -5
... Regarding the changes afoot in the Devils organization, a guy who could be a viable candidate in Montreal (Brodeur) may ultimately get the GM position in New Jersey. Not that Molson probably cares, since after all in his mind he probably believes that he has assembled a front office dream team that is the envy of the league. Actually, that fits with my conspiracy theory. I think Molson is already looking for his next GM, sending out feelers, etc. And the Devils, who I think have long had Brodeur in mind as an eventual GM, realized it might well be now or never for them, given he's a sure thing to be on Montreal's very short list. So Shero is out, and Brodeur will be named at the end of a bit of a sham process, in a few days or weeks. Good to see you checking in, PTH ... I'm not sure Marc Bergevin is going anywhere ... minimum, I'm thinking he'll probably complete his contract ... something else that wouldn't surprise me is if Bergevin is trying to move Carey Price ... I'm not saying that he is, only that it wouldn't surprise me if he were ... but, as I was saying elsewhere, Bergevin should talk to Price first ... finding out what he wants to do would be the first step ... honouring his wishes would be the second step (given his contract it probably be a complicated deal) ... he's been the face of the franchise for a decade now and he's earned that kind of respect ... Cheers.
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Post by Skilly on Jan 14, 2020 7:58:13 GMT -5
Id just like to point out … for information purposes only … that Drouin - Kotkamiemi - Armia was a line that played ONLY the first 7 games of the season … Drouin was moved off the line in place of Byron (who only played 3 games with them) Lehkonen - Kotkaniemi - Armia was a line that only played 2 games together all year Fair chance? Example of KK struggles due to team injuriesUsually, when injuries hit. It’s a chance for young offensive players to get a chance to move up in the line up ... unless the actual plan is that KK is going to be nothing more than a 3rd liner
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jan 15, 2020 10:37:59 GMT -5
Realistically, this is likely what we all begrudgingly expect, but it may not be what many want in terms of making the team better in the long run. Much has been already said on this subject.
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Post by Polarice on Jan 15, 2020 11:19:51 GMT -5
Realistically, this is likely what we all begrudgingly expect, but it may not be what many want in terms of making the team better in the long run. Much has been already said on this subject. If MB publicly stated that they won't be traded.....then you can kiss them goodbye!!
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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 15, 2020 11:31:22 GMT -5
Realistically, this is likely what we all begrudgingly expect, but it may not be what many want in terms of making the team better in the long run. Much has been already said on this subject. If MB publicly stated that they won't be traded.....then you can kiss them goodbye!! I'll believe it when I see it... I can see Carey getting moved because I think he's at the point of saying something publicly and I wouldn't be surprised if he's already said something privately. As for Weber, he isnt going anywhere... that trade was MBs career defining trade... unless Drouin morphs into an Ovechkin type player.
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Post by UberCranky on Jan 15, 2020 12:51:17 GMT -5
I can see Carey getting moved because I think he's at the point of saying something publicly and I wouldn't be surprised if he's already said something privately. From experience.....there is no doubt whatsoever that BergyBozo would move Price if he was going to go public. Short of some extreme scandal, nothing represents as much ss an existential threat to Bbinz as Price critisizing him. Unlike the Subban PR fiasco, we wouldn't be getting much back for Price so it would be...the GM that crippled the franchise. Mol$on isn't drooling stupid enough to miss this level of damage to the franchise, which also means potentially ma$$ive fan reaction, so between BBozo and Price, it will be BBQ Bergy time. Here's to hoping...
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Post by UberCranky on Jan 15, 2020 12:58:03 GMT -5
If MB publicly stated that they won't be traded.....then you can kiss them goodbye!! If the Laffs offer up Kapanen and Sundin for Tatar and Weber, only the cruelly dummest GM doesn't take it. Ummmm...wait...
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Post by duster on Jan 15, 2020 13:14:24 GMT -5
Without Weber and Price as the big name players, Bergevin risks not being in a position of barely making the playoffs "where anything can happen". With him, it's all about minimizing that risk no matter what
I can see the end of season press conference already: "At the end of the day, it was a successful season despite the injuries"
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jan 15, 2020 14:51:05 GMT -5
If MB publicly stated that they won't be traded.....then you can kiss them goodbye!! If the Laffs offer up Kapanen and Sundin for Tatar and Weber, only the cruelly dummest GM doesn't take it. Ummmm...wait... I have a window from 2025 - 2028 to ever drink another Molson’s Ex.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 15, 2020 15:03:51 GMT -5
I can see Carey getting moved because I think he's at the point of saying something publicly and I wouldn't be surprised if he's already said something privately. From experience.....there is no doubt whatsoever that BergyBozo would move Price if he was going to go public. Short of some extreme scandal, nothing represents as much ss an existential threat to Bbinz as Price critisizing him. Unlike the Subban PR fiasco, we wouldn't be getting much back for Price so it would be...the GM that crippled the franchise. Mol$on isn't drooling stupid enough to miss this level of damage to the franchise, which also means potentially ma$$ive fan reaction, so between BBozo and Price, it will be BBQ Bergy time. Here's to hoping... If MB frames it as saving 10.5 mill a year and put in Lindgren/Primeau as the goalies and frames it as a re-tool... You don't think Geoffey will jump at that?
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Post by mikeg on Jan 15, 2020 15:18:38 GMT -5
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jan 15, 2020 16:06:46 GMT -5
Smartest man in the room complex. I guess he has never been in the same room with any of us!
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Post by seventeen on Jan 15, 2020 17:36:02 GMT -5
Smartest man in the room complex. I guess he has never been in the same room with any of us! If only we were joking.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jan 15, 2020 22:18:29 GMT -5
Smartest man in the room complex. I guess he has never been in the same room with any of us! He could go on tv and be the smartest man in the room on The View! Hab’s lose to Chicago. I down, seven to go.
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Post by UberCranky on Jan 15, 2020 23:26:36 GMT -5
Smartest man in the room complex. I guess he has never been in the same room with any of us! If only we were joking. I'm looking forward to attending Bbinz post Habs career Business Administratoon lectures at the local.... bordello University.
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