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Post by GNick99 on May 12, 2020 5:38:33 GMT -5
Let me put mg "surprised face" on.... Tedros is dirty and the WHO needs to be cleaned out, not more money poured into it. Chinese government is dirty and we need to isolate and pull away from it ASAP. (Of course, none of this will happen with our current regime and Chinese big shots donating money to our dear leader causes.) This is based from a German Der Spiegal report. www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3931126BTW.....I'm sure you will hear about this in our evening news....lol I was kind of hoping this wasn't the case but secretly knew it was. For the numbers weren't adding up. The world had significantly higher death rates then both China and Russia. I posted when this first broke out Donald Trump warned us about China. So, I figured they downplayed the numbers to make them selves look better and financial better. One has to question the character of a country who would do this? Is this a country we can trust in the future? Are we continuing to do trade with them? Russia has 232,000 cases with 2100 deaths. Compared to Canada who has 70,000 cases with 5,000 deaths. China has 83,000 cases with 4,600 deaths. The world death rate is 16%. While Russia is less than 1%, China is 5%. It looks puzzling??
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Post by Willie Dog on May 12, 2020 7:11:02 GMT -5
Let me put mg "surprised face" on.... Tedros is dirty and the WHO needs to be cleaned out, not more money poured into it. Chinese government is dirty and we need to isolate and pull away from it ASAP. (Of course, none of this will happen with our current regime and Chinese big shots donating money to our dear leader causes.) This is based from a German Der Spiegal report. www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3931126BTW.....I'm sure you will hear about this in our evening news....lol I was kind of hoping this wasn't the case but secretly knew it was. For the numbers weren't adding up. The world had significantly higher death rates then both China and Russia. I posted when this first broke out Donald Trump warned us about China. So, I figured they downplayed the numbers to make them selves look better and financial better. One has to question the character of a country who would do this? Is this a country we can trust in the future? Are we continuing to do trade with them? Russia has 232,000 cases with 2100 deaths. Compared to Canada who has 70,000 cases with 5,000 deaths. China has 83,000 cases with 4,600 deaths. The world death rate is 16%. While Russia is less than 1%, China is 5%. It looks puzzling?? I saw an article a while back that showed a "funeral home" in wuhan with more than double the number of burial urns than the announced number of dead and that was one business in Wuhan... that's when I knew there was shenanigans going on
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Post by UberCranky on May 15, 2020 0:28:48 GMT -5
Has anybody followed our deaths and testing compared to other countries? We are still "top ten" in the world in deaths and the US is testing more than us in terms of tests per million. Yet all I hear in the tv news is about those stupid Americans and Trump, while ignoring our persistent high mortality rate and paying lip service to the very heart of controlling the virus. Something is very wrong with our tv media....very wrong. It's almost like it's deliberately trying to hide our failures......or are they shielding politicians? www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
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Post by GNick99 on May 15, 2020 6:29:23 GMT -5
Has anybody followed our deaths and testing compared to other countries? We are still "top ten" in the world in deaths and the US is testing more than us in terms of tests per million. Yet all I hear in the tv news is about those stupid Americans and Trump, while ignoring our persistent high mortality rate and paying lip service to the very heart of controlling the virus. Something is very wrong with our tv media....very wrong. It's almost like it's deliberately trying to hide our failures......or are they shielding politicians? www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/On Tim and Sid last night they were talking the tests are not accurate. With only 85% accuracy rate. It is really a perplexing situation.
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Post by jkr on May 15, 2020 8:17:21 GMT -5
There's plenty of stuff on "stupid" Americans on the U.S. media too. Saw some clips in Wisconsin of people crowding into bars hours after a stay at home order was overturned by the state supreme court. When you here comments from people like " if you're scared stay home" I am stunned by how ignorant & selfish some people are. As long as they can do what they want, everything is OK. That's just one example of others. There is no unity there. The issue has been turned into a political football rather than viewed as a public health crisis.
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Post by UberCranky on May 20, 2020 21:09:39 GMT -5
I can't help but to be impressed by Tam and her kind. Now, they are "recommending" wearing masks based on "more information". What was that information? That masks work? Gee, I never thought they were THAT smart.
Reality check....they simply REPEATEDLY lied through their teeth from day one. Period. End of story. Sure, the lies were to stock up for front line workers.....but countless people got infected and died from their lies. They didn't have to lie...they simply could of told the truth there are not enough masks but people can make their own until supplies increased. Very simple and honest message, instead of spreading the self serving "masks don't work for the public" pure bullpucks.
It works for them...but we, the stupid public it doesn't work? Because aee are disposable? Because that is the ONLY conclusion one can take from this deliberate lie.
These liers who were supposed to protect us, they didn't, yet, none of them are held to account. The media was also a huge spreader of these lies, obviously they wont accuse themselves of spreading the lies.
Tell me again about trusting these "experts"...and that they don't have their own agendas...or wont lie to the public.
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Post by PTH on May 21, 2020 0:52:12 GMT -5
I can't help but to be impressed by Tam and her kind. Now, they are "recommending" wearing masks based on "more information". What was that information? That masks work? Gee, I never thought they were THAT smart. Reality check....they simply REPEATEDLY lied through their teeth from day one. Period. End of story. Sure, the lies were to stock up for front line workers.....but countless people got infected and died from their lies. They didn't have to lie...they simply could of told the truth there are not enough masks but people can make their own until supplies increased. Very simple and honest message, instead of spreading the self serving "masks don't work for the public" pure bullpucks. It works for them...but we, the stupid public it doesn't work? Because aee are disposable? Because that is the ONLY conclusion one can take from this deliberate lie. These liers who were supposed to protect us, they didn't, yet, none of them are held to account. The media was also a huge spreader of these lies, obviously they wont accuse themselves of spreading the lies. Tell me again about trusting these "experts"...and that they don't have their own agendas...or wont lie to the public. There is a simple alternative explanation: they didn't want the masks to be seen as an answer on their own, rather than a complementary aspect to social distancing.
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Post by jkr on May 21, 2020 5:56:42 GMT -5
They are still sticking to the one-way protection theory; that is if I wear a mask the mask protects you from me but it does not protect me from you.
I heard John Tory say this last night & I've heard it for a long time. And I still don't get it.
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Post by GNick99 on May 21, 2020 6:47:33 GMT -5
I can't help but to be impressed by Tam and her kind. Now, they are "recommending" wearing masks based on "more information". What was that information? That masks work? Gee, I never thought they were THAT smart. Reality check....they simply REPEATEDLY lied through their teeth from day one. Period. End of story. Sure, the lies were to stock up for front line workers.....but countless people got infected and died from their lies. They didn't have to lie...they simply could of told the truth there are not enough masks but people can make their own until supplies increased. Very simple and honest message, instead of spreading the self serving "masks don't work for the public" pure bullpucks. It works for them...but we, the stupid public it doesn't work? Because aee are disposable? Because that is the ONLY conclusion one can take from this deliberate lie. These liers who were supposed to protect us, they didn't, yet, none of them are held to account. The media was also a huge spreader of these lies, obviously they wont accuse themselves of spreading the lies. Tell me again about trusting these "experts"...and that they don't have their own agendas...or wont lie to the public. I don't think she is doing that great of a job neither. I remember hearing Tam say back when this started a mask wouldn't us from not getting virus. But mouth is one of main entry points for virus. Just common sense. Not all her fault we done badly. China not releasing accurate information at the start delayed lockdowns around the world. Which has resulted in extra 10,000s of more deaths, which would have been avoided. If China had done right thing. Virus not China's fault. But releasing false info was. Trying to make themselves look better and financial reasons with international trade. With warming climate more pathegons can survive in northern climates than ever before. Mixing with more animals. Chance of disease jumping to humans are increasing. Combine that with more travel than ever before it will spread faster than anytime in our past. Not China fault but worlds. I don't see any arguement if another Covid 19 will occur. I see how much time before it happens again. That is the unknown. It may be a year, or ten, or twenty? Likely our lives have changed forever. I can't see how the travel industry can go on as we knew it in recent years. Same as hotels, casinos, sporting events, cruise lines, all travel resorts. In next few years of our lives going to be as many changes than I have seen in last 50+ years.
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Post by BadCompany on May 21, 2020 7:28:42 GMT -5
They are still sticking to the one-way protection theory; that is if I wear a mask the mask protects you from me but it does not protect me from you. I heard John Tory say this last night & I've heard it for a long time. And I still don't get it.
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Post by BadCompany on May 21, 2020 7:43:36 GMT -5
I don't see any arguement if another Covid 19 will occur. I see how much time before it happens again. That is the unknown. It may be a year, or ten, or twenty? Likely our lives have changed forever. I can't see how the travel industry can go on as we knew it in recent years. Same as hotels, casinos, sporting events, cruise lines, all travel resorts. In next few years of our lives going to be as many changes than I have seen in last 50+ years. The next Covid could still be this one, in the Fall. If that happens, and if it is worse than it is now (which is what happened with the Spanish Flu in 1918), then entire industries could collapse, as you mention. As devastating as that will be, it will be interesting to see how things change, and who takes advantage of it. Whole new industries will pop up, or existing technologies will see an explosion in interest and growth. As we are seeing already, technology that enables remote work, like Zoom, have taken off. There will be more, and probably in areas we haven't even thought of yet. Everything from banking to travel to delivery will change. I thought of it even before this all went down, but if I owned an NHL team - or any sporting team really - I would be going in hard on adapting my arenas for Virtual Reality. It hasn't quite taken off like it should - and I don't know why, if you never tried it I highly recommend it, its unreal (or, you know, real) - but it's one way to capitalize on the arena experience without being in the arena. You could even sell the same seat multiple times, or put seats in places you wouldn't normally put them, like on the bench. Or in the dressing room. How much would people pay to be in the dressing room (virtually) between periods? Okay, teams won't go for that one, but still. There are opportunities here.
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Post by UberCranky on May 21, 2020 13:17:05 GMT -5
They are still sticking to the one-way protection theory; that is if I wear a mask the mask protects you from me but it does not protect me from you. I heard John Tory say this last night & I've heard it for a long time. And I still don't get it. That is still insane, nee, criminal negligence level of nonsense. If masks only protect others, why all the fuss about PPGs? If they check out with no virus, then they can simply run around in the hospital without a mask. Right? They lie....people die.
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Post by UberCranky on May 21, 2020 13:19:01 GMT -5
They are still sticking to the one-way protection theory; that is if I wear a mask the mask protects you from me but it does not protect me from you. I heard John Tory say this last night & I've heard it for a long time. And I still don't get it. I'm not sure what to make of that. Nor that you would have that information. A bit concerned ......
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Post by UberCranky on May 21, 2020 13:27:33 GMT -5
There is a simple alternative explanation: they didn't want the masks to be seen as an answer on their own, rather than a complementary aspect to social distancing. If that was the case then why still selling the lying bullcrap that it's only about protecting others? If they were honest about masks from the very beginning, how many people could of been saved from the disease or death? The KISS principle is that they selfishly "calculated" that they would protect their own first and Joe Public is disposable. Do you know that in Taiwan, the military took over the mask industry and was responsible to distribute masks to the public? That wasn't any top secret and our "officials" knew it, yet sold a pile of "does not work for the public" bs to us. Criminal negligence
219 (1) Every one is criminally negligent who
(a) in doing anything, or
(b) in omitting to do anything that it is his duty to do,
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Post by UberCranky on May 21, 2020 13:44:49 GMT -5
I don't think she is doing that great of a job neither. I remember hearing Tam say back when this started a mask wouldn't us from not getting virus. But mouth is one of main entry points for virus. Just common sense. At the very same time they are screaming about masks, they are lying that they are not needed by the public. And the media just went along with it. It boggles the mind why would anybody take that at face value. How could anyone disconnect the absolute life saving necessity for one group of people and the outright selling a lie that it's not important for another group? How may sick and dying could of been prevented with the truth?? That is why I want the spouters charged with criminal negligence. Not all her fault we done badly. China not releasing accurate information at the start delayed lockdowns around the world. Which has resulted in extra 10,000s of more deaths, which would have been avoided. If China had done right thing. Virus not China's fault. But releasing false info was. Trying to make themselves look better and financial reasons with international trade. With warming climate more pathegons can survive in northern climates than ever before. Mixing with more animals. Chance of disease jumping to humans are increasing. Combine that with more travel than ever before it will spread faster than anytime in our past. Not China fault but worlds. I think that it's a lot more neferious then that from the Chinese government. The KNEW it had an extremely high infection rate while still spouting that it there was no human-to-human spread up to January 15. At the very same time, they were organizing a complete lockdown of 11 million people. AFTER that they still screamed "racism" if any country banned flights from China. The simplest and most logical explanation is that they knew their economy would suffer, so let the world surfer too. Ultimately, their willingness to sacrifice their own would prevail. The very same thing happened in WW2. after Germany and England went at it, they wiped themselves out of world powers and US came along and saved the day.....and becoming the preeminent world power. A simple, logical calculation was at hand. Let he world get infected, have the Western economies come to a grinding halt and...guess who can rise to world dominant economy? Did they create the virus? Hard to argue that they did when it created so much destruction in their own country so I say extremely unlikely. Did they want the virus to spread? ABSOLUTELY. ZERO DOUBT. The proof is in their well documented actions.
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Post by PTH on May 21, 2020 13:49:02 GMT -5
They are still sticking to the one-way protection theory; that is if I wear a mask the mask protects you from me but it does not protect me from you. I heard John Tory say this last night & I've heard it for a long time. And I still don't get it. Say you and I go out for a beer. If you expel droplets, they get caught up in your mask. I am safe, even you're asymptomatic, and I don't wear a mask. But if I'm the sick one, and I expect droplets, when breathing in you'll drag in air around the mask, or maybe even through it since the bacteria is awfully small. But if I'd been wearing a mask, my droplets would have gotten caught in it. There's also that it's hard to touch your mouth area reflexively when wearing a mask. I've been wearing one outside whenever possible, to get used to it overall.
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Post by PTH on May 21, 2020 13:51:18 GMT -5
They are still sticking to the one-way protection theory; that is if I wear a mask the mask protects you from me but it does not protect me from you. I heard John Tory say this last night & I've heard it for a long time. And I still don't get it. That is still insane, nee, criminal negligence level of nonsense. If masks only protect others, why all the fuss about PPGs? If they check out with no virus, then they can simply run around in the hospital without a mask. Right? They lie....people die. PPE is specifically equipment made to protect the wearer - the famous N95 masks are the only ones to actually stop you breathing in bacteria, but it also means it needs to be very well fitted. Whereas homemade masks are like surgeons' masks: made to catch the bearer's spittle to protect others (like the patient surgeon is cutting open) and not for the benefit of the bearer (except for surgeons in the US not wanting to get sued)
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Post by UberCranky on May 21, 2020 13:55:46 GMT -5
I don't see any arguement if another Covid 19 will occur. I see how much time before it happens again. That is the unknown. It may be a year, or ten, or twenty? Likely our lives have changed forever. I can't see how the travel industry can go on as we knew it in recent years. Same as hotels, casinos, sporting events, cruise lines, all travel resorts. In next few years of our lives going to be as many changes than I have seen in last 50+ years. The next Covid could still be this one, in the Fall. If that happens, and if it is worse than it is now (which is what happened with the Spanish Flu in 1918), then entire industries could collapse, as you mention. As devastating as that will be, it will be interesting to see how things change, and who takes advantage of it. Whole new industries will pop up, or existing technologies will see an explosion in interest and growth. As we are seeing already, technology that enables remote work, like Zoom, have taken off. There will be more, and probably in areas we haven't even thought of yet. Everything from banking to travel to delivery will change. I thought of it even before this all went down, but if I owned an NHL team - or any sporting team really - I would be going in hard on adapting my arenas for Virtual Reality. It hasn't quite taken off like it should - and I don't know why, if you never tried it I highly recommend it, its unreal (or, you know, real) - but it's one way to capitalize on the arena experience without being in the arena. You could even sell the same seat multiple times, or put seats in places you wouldn't normally put them, like on the bench. Or in the dressing room. How much would people pay to be in the dressing room (virtually) between periods? Okay, teams won't go for that one, but still. There are opportunities here. I'm getting too old to invest in manufacturing. The technology behind mask production is well within my technical and financial "can do" basket, actually, besides my own, I have someone who is desperate to invest 9 figures, yet, NO. Damn clock only runs one way. That is not stopping me from thinking about investing in moulds and creating a high quality, re-usable mask. Something along these lines with high quality and relatively cheap inserts. www.medicaldesignandoutsourcing.com/breathe99-launches-kickstarter-campaign-for-reusable-respirator-mask-amid-covid-19/And no.....I don't need kickstarter or Bush to fund me. LOL If this was ten years ago.....
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Post by UberCranky on May 21, 2020 14:09:07 GMT -5
That is still insane, nee, criminal negligence level of nonsense. If masks only protect others, why all the fuss about PPGs? If they check out with no virus, then they can simply run around in the hospital without a mask. Right? They lie....people die. PPE is specifically equipment made to protect the wearer - the famous N95 masks are the only ones to actually stop you breathing in bacteria, but it also means it needs to be very well fitted. Whereas homemade masks are like surgeons' masks: made to catch the bearer's spittle to protect others (like the patient surgeon is cutting open) and not for the benefit of the bearer (except for surgeons in the US not wanting to get sued) Home made masks are useless. I dusted of a sewing machine we bought 35 years ago and bought all kinds of cloth. Cloth from 600 thread per inch all the way to 1000 TPI. Made several design and they all had the same problem. The more tighter and effective the weave, the harder it was to breath trough it. The second problem was that when breathing through the more effective cloth, the cloth collapses and surface area shrinks to the size of ones mouth. About a few square inches. Which makes everything even worse. Tried ALL the design, NONE work for incoming droplets. So while the cloth IS effective for catching large droplets going out, but not small ones, absolutely useless for micron sizes coming in. I have a stock of N95's I bought way back. That is the only thing my wife and I wear. We leave them on the side and rotate a few. The idea is that the virus does not live past a few days and we re-use them. Not ideal, but the only way to stretch the use and effectiveness of N95. The next best thing are surgical masks, but their wearing and fitting is FAR more problematic. Simply put, square cloth and round face don't make for a good fit. The vast majority that I see are worn so badly, even by "professionals" that it's a sad joke. I have a better mouse trap......I have contacted a manufacturer who can make non woven polypropylene material by the roll.....when I say roll, I mean 8 ft wide and several thousand feet. Truckloads. In the US. I have done the due diligence on everything I need to $tart a re-usable mask/respirator company. I just don't have the desire.....
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Post by UberCranky on May 21, 2020 14:55:42 GMT -5
Just for your info....
Part the high effectiveness of N95 is that the moulded design gives plenty of surface area. Two things that happen with that surface area is that there is more of it to trap the droplets AND reduces the velocity of the air movements. When you breath, you expel x-amount of liters of air. The larger the surface, the lower the exchange velocity.
Did you know that filter elements are 12 to 15 times harder to breath through then "free air"? That is why a N95 mask has about 12 square inches of surface area which is equivalent of breathing through a 1.25" tube. Not really a problem. On the other hand, if you only had 3 square inches right up to your face, it's like trying to breath through a 1/2 inch tube.
The problem with cloth and surgical masks is that they appear to have these huge areas of cloth or filter medium, yet they collapse on the face and one has about a few square inches that is actually used. Because of that, breathing in will force that air to increase in speed AND that results in one forcing droplets to go faster through said material. In theory, if you can create a "cage" to push away the cloth/filter element away from the face, that would vastly increase their effectiveness.
The entire design philosophy with a respirator that has replaceable element is that you can keep that element away from the mouth and case it behind a "box". You open the "box", toss out the old element and put in a new element. Done. Brand new mask.
BUT....
After a days use, one needs to wash the mask. It can be as simple as throwing it into a two liter bucket with dish soap water. The virus has a fatty membrane to protect it....and that is so fragile outside it's environment, that it is easily destroyed by any soap. That is where "wash your hands" comes from. It isn't the "motion" that destroys it, it's to small for that, it's making sure it gets contact with soap.....and it's uber fragile membrane.
The problem with our extra dumb society is that a lot of people are not going to wash them, or not replace the elements......AND sue the manufacturer if they get sick. Given the sue happy US, one would be crazy to make a health related product without spending just as much in insurance as the cost of making the mask.
That's another reason why you wont have the Cranky Mask Inc......
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Post by PTH on May 21, 2020 15:51:33 GMT -5
... The problem with our extra dumb society is that a lot of people are not going to wash them, or not replace the elements......AND sue the manufacturer if they get sick. Given the sue happy US, one would be crazy to make a health related product without spending just as much in insurance as the cost of making the mask. Hence not making mask wearing a priority compared to social isolation...
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Post by UberCranky on May 21, 2020 16:58:42 GMT -5
... The problem with our extra dumb society is that a lot of people are not going to wash them, or not replace the elements......AND sue the manufacturer if they get sick. Given the sue happy US, one would be crazy to make a health related product without spending just as much in insurance as the cost of making the mask. Hence not making mask wearing a priority compared to social isolation... Sorry, but I don't buy that at all. There is no such thing as lying to the public for "their own good". All they have to do is put out the same 24/7 messaging on wearing masks. 99.99% of the population is capable of doing that and if the onus and danger is on them. Why are the Taiwanese and most other countries being honest about the use of masks? Why is it that only Canada, US and WHO "officials" think that lying is okay, particularly since it suits them? Just like Taiwan, the Greek government gave a giant FU to the WHO recommendations and went their own way. They have the lowest death rate in Europe. Masks there are common and the government made sure they are easily available. A few hours ago, I was talking to my fathers caregiver in Greece, surgical masks are 3 for 1 Euro and N95 are 1 Euro....and prices are dropping. Meanwhile.....have you seen the daily Covid deaths in Canada? We are still "top ten" in the world DESPITE our "world coveted" medical system. Have been for a month. THAT speaks volumes about our garbage "leadership". www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
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Post by jkr on May 21, 2020 17:59:45 GMT -5
Why do you put quotes around - world coveted - when you describe the Canadian health care system if the issue is the response and management of the pandemic?
The health care system has to deal with results of the government decisions, doesn't it?
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Post by UberCranky on May 21, 2020 18:42:50 GMT -5
Why do you put quotes around - world coveted - when you describe the Canadian health care system if the issue is the response and management of the pandemic? The health care system has to deal with results of the government decisions, doesn't it? True. It's a great tool, but it doesn't help when you have tools making stupid decisions. I'm scared s****less of going to Greece because their medical facilities "generally" are simply not as good as our hspitals, yet, their government made the right decisions and there wasn't the level of human destruction like ours. But hey, they are broke and had to deal with the very real destructive consequences of bad decisions.....we aren't (yet) so Checkbook Santa decided that he can shovel money to fix his and his "advisors" late and worthless response. Don't worry, the media is on it. They will report how our "leaders" failed to protect us early on and that we are still "top ten" in deaths. Just wait for it. Any minute now. It's going to be a major report. For sure. Any minute now......meanwhile, they have three million reporters, 24/7 on "trumptrumptrumptrump"....as if we should care more about what is happening in the US rather then our own house.
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Post by UberCranky on May 22, 2020 6:07:19 GMT -5
Brilliant article.
Bet everything you have that Checkbook Santa will spend billions on his pet green projects under the guise of "infrastructure projects to jump start the economy". If you have any money left over, put another bet on "universal income" of 1000 a month or more.
Where will the money come from? Look over there...a squirrel.....
And those tracking apps? Why would you resist the government tracking you for your own good? Or are you afraid because you are a criminal or terrorist?
10% Federal part of the GST is in our future. Ad another point or two from the provinces. And more personal taxes...you know, because we are all swimming in money.
Money? Look over there......a squirrel....with Coved. You insist to know? How dare you ask about money in a crisis? Are you heartless monster?
BTW....did you get the latest tracking app?
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Post by Skilly on May 22, 2020 8:25:04 GMT -5
Really don't know why you keep repeating we are top 10 in deaths ... depends on how you measure it I guess. Currently we are 11th in total deaths (we may move up to 10th by the end of the day), but we are 19th in per capita deaths.
But to compare us to the USA. That's apples and oranges. We are doing much better off than them, and thats why you dont hear much about the Canadian response and everything about the American.
The States have 10 times our population - yet that have 20 times the number of cases of Canada, and 15 times the deaths. As for testing, Canada and the USA are pretty much on par per capita, they are testing 1.11:1 compared to Canada
If you eliminate New York from the calculation, the US is still the country with the most cases and the most deaths (with New York being the second worst "country" in cases and the fourth worse in deaths)
If you eliminate Quebec from Canada's numbers, Quebec would be the 19th worst country and Canada would be the 21st worst country. In terms of deaths, Quebec would be the 15th worse country and Canada would be the 20th worst country.
It sure seems to me that Canada has responded to the pandemic fairly well, and most certainly way better than the USA
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Post by PTH on May 22, 2020 12:12:16 GMT -5
Hence not making mask wearing a priority compared to social isolation... Sorry, but I don't buy that at all. There is no such thing as lying to the public for "their own good". I think you overestimate the comprehension of your average citizen. For most citizen-aimed communication, you aim for a grade 7 comprehension level; so I can accept that they tried to simplify, and in this case, perhaps went a bit too far. I actually prefer confused messaging, since it's the best proof there isn't some big conspiracy, just a lot of people, doing the best they can (which isn't always enough, and is always far from perfect). A nicely oiled communication machine with a well-prepared PR line scares me way more.
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Post by UberCranky on May 22, 2020 13:31:51 GMT -5
Meanwhile.....have you seen the daily Covid deaths in Canada? We are still "top ten" in the world DESPITE our "world coveted" medical system. Have been for a month. THAT speaks volumes about our garbage "leadership". www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/It's not complicated....it's Top Ten in deaths per day in the world. Going on for about a month. It's not hard to find....it's a few columns in on the link. Highlighted in red background...so as to make it clear and apperent. Funny thing about media....we hear every night about how many infections but not so much about deaths. Deaths make politicians look bad. I care about CANADA not the US....or the latest blabbering trumptrumptrumptrump.
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Post by UberCranky on May 22, 2020 13:45:33 GMT -5
Sorry, but I don't buy that at all. There is no such thing as lying to the public for "their own good". I think you overestimate the comprehension of your average citizen. For most citizen-aimed communication, you aim for a grade 7 comprehension level; so I can accept that they tried to simplify, and in this case, perhaps went a bit too far. I actually prefer confused messaging, since it's the best proof there isn't some big conspiracy, just a lot of people, doing the best they can (which isn't always enough, and is always far from perfect). A nicely oiled communication machine with a well-prepared PR line scares me way more. I'm still not agreeing. Three messages....social distancing...wash your hands...cover your breathing holes. Even a grade 3 level knows what a breathing hole is. Seriously....if you say to people to cover their breathing holes, it's a bit funny and a bit insulting....but nobody would be confused. As for wearing masks, i directly trained hundreds of people....and a bit of a joke to call it training. Put it on (n95)...one band low behind the neck, one band high on the back of the head, pinch the nose to close the nose gap. That's it. If more then two billion people can do it in China and surrounding countries.....so can Canadians.
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Post by GNick99 on May 22, 2020 14:31:21 GMT -5
I don't see any arguement if another Covid 19 will occur. I see how much time before it happens again. That is the unknown. It may be a year, or ten, or twenty? Likely our lives have changed forever. I can't see how the travel industry can go on as we knew it in recent years. Same as hotels, casinos, sporting events, cruise lines, all travel resorts. In next few years of our lives going to be as many changes than I have seen in last 50+ years. The next Covid could still be this one, in the Fall. If that happens, and if it is worse than it is now (which is what happened with the Spanish Flu in 1918), then entire industries could collapse, as you mention. As devastating as that will be, it will be interesting to see how things change, and who takes advantage of it. Whole new industries will pop up, or existing technologies will see an explosion in interest and growth. As we are seeing already, technology that enables remote work, like Zoom, have taken off. There will be more, and probably in areas we haven't even thought of yet. Everything from banking to travel to delivery will change. I thought of it even before this all went down, but if I owned an NHL team - or any sporting team really - I would be going in hard on adapting my arenas for Virtual Reality. It hasn't quite taken off like it should - and I don't know why, if you never tried it I highly recommend it, its unreal (or, you know, real) - but it's one way to capitalize on the arena experience without being in the arena. You could even sell the same seat multiple times, or put seats in places you wouldn't normally put them, like on the bench. Or in the dressing room. How much would people pay to be in the dressing room (virtually) between periods? Okay, teams won't go for that one, but still. There are opportunities here. I think they will delay start of season. Be getting close to vaccine. But opening up this summer could be mistake.
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