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Post by GNick99 on May 7, 2020 9:04:41 GMT -5
It will sting big time, and I hope that the Habs are pushing back hard with the league on this proposal. The first french canadian star forward projected to go first overall since Lecavalier (22 years ago!), and the league wants to change up the lottery rules so that the Habs have zero chance of landing him? Watch him end up in LA. We would get double shafted where draft is in Montreal. It is all over money as usual. Bettman seen the ratings of NFL draft. |
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Post by folatre on May 7, 2020 22:00:21 GMT -5
Though the eventuality of the Habs selecting fourth in the draft now seems less likely given how much grief the league's trial balloon received, I realized that I never answered my own question yesterday. Assuming the top three came off the board as expected, I would pick Drysdale.
I just think that management would do well to take the best player at #4 regardless of position. For that matter, if Montreal is picking #8 or #9, I would approach it the same way.
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Post by BadCompany on May 8, 2020 9:54:30 GMT -5
I just think that management would do well to take the best player at #4 regardless of position. For that matter, if Montreal is picking #8 or #9, I would approach it the same way. Everybody always says that... until the goalie comes up.  I wouldn't complain about Drysdale... but I like Rossi too. Even if he is another short center. |
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Post by PTH on May 8, 2020 12:40:46 GMT -5
I just think that management would do well to take the best player at #4 regardless of position. For that matter, if Montreal is picking #8 or #9, I would approach it the same way. Everybody always says that... until the goalie comes up. I still remember the complete meltdown around here when Carey Price was chosen. |
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Post by Andrew on May 8, 2020 12:58:59 GMT -5
Everybody always says that... until the goalie comes up. I still remember the complete meltdown around here when Carey Price was chosen. Haha. Yes. McGuire's reaction was priceless! It's always fun to speculate on how selecting Kopitar might have panned out with that pick. Would we have been better off with Kopitar and Halak? With an up and coming #1C there wouldn't have been the need to trade for Gomez, and the Habs might have hung on to McDonnagh. Or not? Maybe Gainey would have landed Lecavalier with a package of Kopitar and McDonnagh (facepalm)! |
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Post by PTH on May 8, 2020 14:01:03 GMT -5
I still remember the complete meltdown around here when Carey Price was chosen. Haha. Yes. McGuire's reaction was priceless! It's always fun to speculate on how selecting Kopitar might have panned out with that pick. Would we have been better off with Kopitar and Halak? With an up and coming #1C there wouldn't have been the need to trade for Gomez, and the Habs might have hung on to McDonnagh. Or not? Maybe Gainey would have landed Lecavalier with a package of Kopitar and McDonnagh (facepalm)! I actually meant on this very board, the reaction was not positive. ---- For those who like draft analysis, La Presse has been doing a year by year review of the draft, not as a statistical exercise, but it's a good read, and they're good at getting us back into context for the draft that year, and why some preferences might have been overweighted. They've done 2003 through 2006 now. Man these sports reporters have to go deep to find something to write about that people might want to read. 2006: www.lapresse.ca/sports/hockey/202005/08/01-5272751-les-repechages-du-ch-2006.php |
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Post by folatre on May 8, 2020 14:54:46 GMT -5
I just think that management would do well to take the best player at #4 regardless of position. For that matter, if Montreal is picking #8 or #9, I would approach it the same way. Everybody always says that... until the goalie comes up. I wouldn't complain about Drysdale... but I like Rossi too. Even if he is another short center. Yeah, I was not even thinking about Askarov. I like Rossi too. If I am picking fifth and the aforementioned players have been selected, I would take Rossi without much hesitation. |
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Post by GNick99 on May 9, 2020 7:05:23 GMT -5
I just think that management would do well to take the best player at #4 regardless of position. For that matter, if Montreal is picking #8 or #9, I would approach it the same way. Everybody always says that... until the goalie comes up. I wouldn't complain about Drysdale... but I like Rossi too. Even if he is another short center. Rossi is my pick also. Just so hard to get offensive centers. He is short, but he is stocky. Think his height is overblown. |
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Post by franko on May 9, 2020 8:23:13 GMT -5
I like Rossi too. Even if he is another short center. Rossi is my pick also. Just so hard to get offensive centers. He is short, but he is stocky. Think his height is overblown. small sample size, but I really liked Rossi when I saw him. aware, and the puck seemed to follow him. |
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Post by folatre on May 9, 2020 14:13:59 GMT -5
Rossi is not only really smart, skilled, feisty, and strong for his stature. He practiced and played with men in Europe before he came over to the 67's. And now he has gone through the rigors of two long OHL season. For these reasons, I feel relatively sure that he is not going to drop out of the top five or six.
Last year Button had Caufield ranked like #5 or whatever but there were more factors that cast some doubts about the kid. For starters, Caufield is considerably smaller than Rossi and while he is an astonishing sniper the American was seen as a specialist rather than an all around hockey player.
If the Habs are picking #8 or #9, it would be absolutely incredible to grab Rossi. Maybe NW could elaborate and go through various scenarios in which perhaps this could happen, but unfortunately I cannot imagine him dropping that far.
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Post by seventeen on May 9, 2020 16:56:04 GMT -5
Everybody always says that... until the goalie comes up. I wouldn't complain about Drysdale... but I like Rossi too. Even if he is another short center. Rossi is my pick also. Just so hard to get offensive centers. He is short, but he is stocky. Think his height is overblown. Marcel Dionne was 5'8", 185 lbs. Corey Locke was 5'8", 165 lbs. Dionne could skate. |
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Post by GNick99 on May 10, 2020 8:14:36 GMT -5
Rossi is not only really smart, skilled, feisty, and strong for his stature. He practiced and played with men in Europe before he came over to the 67's. And now he has gone through the rigors of two long OHL season. For these reasons, I feel relatively sure that he is not going to drop out of the top five or six. Last year Button had Caufield ranked like #5 or whatever but there were more factors that cast some doubts about the kid. For starters, Caufield is considerably smaller than Rossi and while he is an astonishing sniper the American was seen as a specialist rather than an all around hockey player. If the Habs are picking #8 or #9, it would be absolutely incredible to grab Rossi. Maybe NW could elaborate and go through various scenarios in which perhaps this could happen, but unfortunately I cannot imagine him dropping that far. I doubt Rossi is there at 8 neither but I am hoping. Imagine it will either be Perfetti or Holtz. HockeyProspect has Rossi and Holtz both available at 8. But don't know if they are legit or not?? |
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Post by folatre on May 10, 2020 19:01:14 GMT -5
I am not sure about HockeyProspect, maybe it is solid, honestly about the only ones that I look at are Button's and McKenzie's.
I would imagine if Rossi drops to #8 it would have something to do with some club in the top seven really believing that Askarov is a near lock to be elite, perhaps Sanderson continuing to shoot up the board, and the perception that Perfetti and/or Raymond has more untapped potential than Rossi since Rossi is a little more of finished prospect given his trajectory and September 23 birthday.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on May 10, 2020 22:45:46 GMT -5
I am not sure about HockeyProspect, maybe it is solid, honestly about the only ones that I look at are Button's and McKenzie's. I would imagine if Rossi drops to #8 it would have something to do with some club in the top seven really believing that Askarov is a near lock to be elite, perhaps Sanderson continuing to shoot up the board, and the perception that Perfetti and/or Raymond has more untapped potential than Rossi since Rossi is a little more of finished prospect given his trajectory and September 23 birthday. I like Rossi too. I liked Locke so what do i know? |
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Post by GNick99 on May 11, 2020 5:44:14 GMT -5
I am not sure about HockeyProspect, maybe it is solid, honestly about the only ones that I look at are Button's and McKenzie's. I would imagine if Rossi drops to #8 it would have something to do with some club in the top seven really believing that Askarov is a near lock to be elite, perhaps Sanderson continuing to shoot up the board, and the perception that Perfetti and/or Raymond has more untapped potential than Rossi since Rossi is a little more of finished prospect given his trajectory and September 23 birthday. I like Rossi too. I liked Locke so what do i know? Quite a contrast in skating between those two. |
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Post by GNick99 on May 11, 2020 5:45:16 GMT -5
I am not sure about HockeyProspect, maybe it is solid, honestly about the only ones that I look at are Button's and McKenzie's. I would imagine if Rossi drops to #8 it would have something to do with some club in the top seven really believing that Askarov is a near lock to be elite, perhaps Sanderson continuing to shoot up the board, and the perception that Perfetti and/or Raymond has more untapped potential than Rossi since Rossi is a little more of finished prospect given his trajectory and September 23 birthday. Hockey Prospect said Askarov was 4th goalie to play in K at 18. Wonder who the other 3 were? |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on May 11, 2020 6:01:42 GMT -5
I like Rossi too. I liked Locke so what do i know? Quite a contrast in skating between those two. With Corey Locke I was impressed that he won the OHL scoring record on a great Ottawa team. The next year the stars graduated and left and he was all alone and still won the scoring title again. He passed Corey Perry on the way to the title. I didn’t realize how bad his skating was. He was the little engine that could.....but didn’t. |
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Post by The Habitual Fan on May 11, 2020 9:43:30 GMT -5
Considering the way things will probably set up it looks like Montreal has no chance to be in the top 5 picks.
I think Alexander Holtz would be a player that could help in a couple of years. I haven't read anything about his skating ability but he is a natural goal scorer and a right winger. He is 6ft and should fill out over the next couple of years.
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Post by folatre on May 11, 2020 9:57:16 GMT -5
Habitual, I like Holtz as well at #8. I know the Habs picked a right shot sniper last year in the first round, but you can never have too many guys with elite level release and accuracy.
Compared to most of Montreal's forwards, Holtz does have good size. Watching him on youtube, his skating looks above average for the SHL.
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Post by seventeen on May 11, 2020 12:53:14 GMT -5
If we stay in 8th place, we're going to get a good prospect. Holtz, at this time, appears in the eyes of most 'experts' to be the guy left standing at #8 and he's a good consolation prize. The odds are very low, but I'd love to get a Rossi or Perfetti. (I'd love a Lafreniere too, but oh well). I wouldnt be surprised if Perfetti ends up being the top player out of this draft, but that's pure speculation on my part. The kid seems to have an obsession with getting better.
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Post by The Habitual Fan on May 11, 2020 13:58:50 GMT -5
I just think where the PP is so important in the game having two guys (Caufield and Holtz) with very quick accurate shots are a necessity. We have enough smaller players so having another forward that is 6ft and should be about 195 lbs in a couple of years will add a lot to the team.
I saw one review that he could possibly be a contender for the Rocket Richard award in a few years. I don't know about that but if he is a consistent 30-35 goal scorer it is a definite win.
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Post by folatre on May 11, 2020 21:45:43 GMT -5
Ryan Kennedy from The Hockey News released his final list and he has the consensus top three followed by: 4. Raymond, 5. Drysdale, 6. Rossi, 7. Perfetti, 8. Holtz, 9. Lundell, 10. Askarov, 11. Sanderson, 12. Quinn, 13. Holloway, 14. Wallinder, 15. Grans
Again, I would love it if Rossi fell and I would be pleased with Holtz as well. I have some trepidation that Bergevin may balance taking a really small kid last June by focusing on Lundell or Holloway this year. At #8 I would not be thrilled with either of those two.
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Post by GNick99 on May 12, 2020 5:29:03 GMT -5
I just think where the PP is so important in the game having two guys (Caufield and Holtz) with very quick accurate shots are a necessity. We have enough smaller players so having another forward that is 6ft and should be about 195 lbs in a couple of years will add a lot to the team. I saw one review that he could possibly be a contender for the Rocket Richard award in a few years. I don't know about that but if he is a consistent 30-35 goal scorer it is a definite win. Holtz or Perfetti, with Caufield will make good linemates for Shane Wright or Savoie someday. That's way I am looking at it. |
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Post by GNick99 on May 12, 2020 5:31:31 GMT -5
Ryan Kennedy from The Hockey News released his final list and he has the consensus top three followed by: 4. Raymond, 5. Drysdale, 6. Rossi, 7. Perfetti, 8. Holtz, 9. Lundell, 10. Askarov, 11. Sanderson, 12. Quinn, 13. Holloway, 14. Wallinder, 15. Grans Again, I would love it if Rossi fell and I would be pleased with Holtz as well. I have some trepidation that Bergevin may balance taking a really small kid last June by focusing on Lundell or Holloway this year. At #8 I would not be thrilled with either of those two. If we slid down to 9th, if it comes down to between Askarov, Lundell, Holloway, etc.....I hope we trade down. Get quite an asset plus Bourque, Jarvis, etc. around 20th I have as good. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on May 16, 2020 19:03:47 GMT -5
Ryan Kennedy from The Hockey News released his final list and he has the consensus top three followed by: 4. Raymond, 5. Drysdale, 6. Rossi, 7. Perfetti, 8. Holtz, 9. Lundell, 10. Askarov, 11. Sanderson, 12. Quinn, 13. Holloway, 14. Wallinder, 15. Grans Again, I would love it if Rossi fell and I would be pleased with Holtz as well. I have some trepidation that Bergevin may balance taking a really small kid last June by focusing on Lundell or Holloway this year. At #8 I would not be thrilled with either of those two. It really says something when the Hab’s fans are concerned about losing their greatest asset, a 6% chance of drafting first overall. |
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Post by folatre on May 16, 2020 19:52:57 GMT -5
Yeah, jeje, I would take the 6 percent chance of landing Lafreniere over a playoff cameo. The probability of this team grinding through a prelim best of three followed by four best of sevens to lift the Cup is not even close to 6 percent. 100 to 1 odds would probably be generous.
If this pandemic would have happened last spring I would have felt different since it would have been a 1 percent chance for Jack Hughes or a chance for the 2018-19 Habs who had a good season to get a shot at the playoffs. This season the reality is otherwise. Montreal won 19 frickin' games in regulation time out of 71 games. That is terrible (29th). Montreal was a level of bad that deserves a shot at Lafreniere (or at least Byfield or Stutzle) and does not deserve a shot at taking down the Penguins or the Leafs.
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Post by GNick99 on May 17, 2020 5:49:53 GMT -5
Ryan Kennedy from The Hockey News released his final list and he has the consensus top three followed by: 4. Raymond, 5. Drysdale, 6. Rossi, 7. Perfetti, 8. Holtz, 9. Lundell, 10. Askarov, 11. Sanderson, 12. Quinn, 13. Holloway, 14. Wallinder, 15. Grans Again, I would love it if Rossi fell and I would be pleased with Holtz as well. I have some trepidation that Bergevin may balance taking a really small kid last June by focusing on Lundell or Holloway this year. At #8 I would not be thrilled with either of those two. It really says something when the Hab’s fans are concerned about losing their greatest asset, a 6% chance of drafting first overall. You don't get many chances to get one of the future stars of the league. Usually one team from way back moves into top 3. Carolina did it in '18, Rangers did it in '19. Could it be us in '20?? I hope they don't chance the draft order. The draft is part of the CBA. Meaning both the players and owners have to ok it, at a board of governor's meeting. Not easy to do when 12-14 teams will vote against it as chance at a star there. Bettman will have to co-hearst them into it. I imagine by saying if you want another outdoor game, or another draft you will vote with us. |
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Post by seventeen on May 17, 2020 10:49:16 GMT -5
I just think where the PP is so important in the game having two guys (Caufield and Holtz) with very quick accurate shots are a necessity. We have enough smaller players so having another forward that is 6ft and should be about 195 lbs in a couple of years will add a lot to the team. I saw one review that he could possibly be a contender for the Rocket Richard award in a few years. I don't know about that but if he is a consistent 30-35 goal scorer it is a definite win. Holtz or Perfetti, with Caufield will make good linemates for Shane Wright or Savoie someday. That's way I am looking at it.  Tanking again? I'm all for it. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on May 17, 2020 13:54:45 GMT -5
It really says something when the Hab’s fans are concerned about losing their greatest asset, a 6% chance of drafting first overall. You don't get many chances to get one of the future stars of the league. Usually one team from way back moves into top 3. Carolina did it in '18, Rangers did it in '19. Could it be us in '20?? I hope they don't chance the draft order. The draft is part of the CBA. Meaning both the players and owners have to ok it, at a board of governor's meeting. Not easy to do when 12-14 teams will vote against it as chance at a star there. Bettman will have to co-hearst them into it. I imagine by saying if you want another outdoor game, or another draft you will vote with us. There is a chance that Price gets hot and carries us to the Stanley Cup. There is also a chance that nobody picks Lafreniere and we get him with our 31st pick. |
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Post by Skilly on May 20, 2020 11:49:25 GMT -5
I am not sure about HockeyProspect, maybe it is solid, honestly about the only ones that I look at are Button's and McKenzie's. I would imagine if Rossi drops to #8 it would have something to do with some club in the top seven really believing that Askarov is a near lock to be elite, perhaps Sanderson continuing to shoot up the board, and the perception that Perfetti and/or Raymond has more untapped potential than Rossi since Rossi is a little more of finished prospect given his trajectory and September 23 birthday. Hockey Prospect said Askarov was 4th goalie to play in K at 18. Wonder who the other 3 were? 4? I think there was like 19 or 20 18 year old KHL GoaliesAnd that list doesn't even include Askarov, or Prokofyev (who passed away due to cancer) |
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