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Post by Boston_Habs on Sept 29, 2020 10:11:22 GMT -5
Domi , Poehling and a first is THREE first rounders, you said gonna take 4 ... just saying Yep. So we'd have to add another first rounder. Domi, Poehling, and two first rounders for Laine. An offer that probably gets us in the door. But I don't like adding firsts in future years, because those could be lottery picks (Price gets injured, Laine gets injured, sophomore slump for Suzuki, etc). We've seen it happen a few times already, and if I was a betting man I'd give it decent odds it happens again with Pittsburgh next year. So I don't want to give up a 2021 pick, just in case. Which means we'd have to give up a player like Suzuki, Kotkaniemi, or Caufield. Non-starter for me. And of course this assumes that Winnipeg likes our package. Maybe they don't view Poehling as worthy of a 1st rounder anymore. Maybe they don't think they can sign Domi before he hits UFA. Maybe they just really want Suzuki. Takes two to tango, and all that. I'm not sure we have what Winnipeg wants/needs. Looking at their roster, the Jets have most of their big money tied up in forwards (Wheeler, Connor, Ehlers, Laine, Scheifele). Their back end looks pretty weak and I would imagine they would want a real stud on defense rather than more forwards that they don't really need. How about Shea Weber straight up for Blake Wheeler? Pretty much the same age and cap hit. They get an upgrade on D and we get more scoring and some much needed size. Losing Weber would be hard but he's a declining asset and we probably have enough depth to throw guys out there or find a cheap FA. Forwards: Suzuki, KK, Wheeler, Gallagher, Drouin, Domi, Danault, Tatar, Byron... All of a sudden that's a pretty stacked top 9. Defense: Petry, Chiarot, Edmundson, Kulak, Mete, Romanov... FA depth. Sometimes it's better to double down on your strengths rather than try to be perfectly balanced. The Habs should go all in on goal scoring and let the chips fall. They would still have Price in net and would be fun to watch!
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Post by Cranky on Sept 29, 2020 12:57:30 GMT -5
I wonder...if you are for the trade for Laine, are you comfortable with a 10-11 million hit? Do you think he's in the same mold as Dubois and Eichel? Last but not least...WHY is he so openly on the trading block? Has Stamkos or Ovechkin have ever been openly and seriously available? and the rumors have started about Eichel being on the block too. Say goodbye to Suzuki if Eichel is available. I do Suzuki and a 1st for him. As long as he signs a 8/8 with us.
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Post by seventeen on Sept 29, 2020 13:10:53 GMT -5
I have always liked Phil Kessel, in large part because he skates to the beat of a different drummer. For that reason alone, "Boys Club" Bergevin will not trade for him. He's too much like Subban . I think acquiring Kessel was Jim Rutherford's only brilliant move in an oherwise blah, but full of horseshoes stint, with Pittsburgh. Kessel is a scorer, pure and simple and he has that effortless skating style (I'm sure it requires effort, it just doesn't look like it) that should continue. Though his contract is for $8MM, the Leafs (joy) are still paying $1.2 of that, so the CAP hit to his current team is just $6.8MM. But what MOlson would really love is that his salary for the next two years is just $6MM per of which %5MM is a signing bonus and that's probably already been paid for this year so he would cost $7MM in actual money over the next two years. That's a deal! Mostly, if we could get him, I'd just enjoy seeing Julien and Bergevin pulling their hair out over his attitude. He's a character. BTW, did I mention he's a playoff beast and if there were any justice in the world, he'd have won the Conn Smythe in 2016?
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Post by Willie Dog on Sept 29, 2020 13:13:51 GMT -5
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Post by seventeen on Sept 29, 2020 13:14:40 GMT -5
I'm not sure we have what Winnipeg wants/needs. Looking at their roster, the Jets have most of their big money tied up in forwards (Wheeler, Connor, Ehlers, Laine, Scheifele). Their back end looks pretty weak and I would imagine they would want a real stud on defense rather than more forwards that they don't really need. How about Shea Weber straight up for Blake Wheeler? Pretty much the same age and cap hit. They get an upgrade on D and we get more scoring and some much needed size. Losing Weber would be hard but he's a declining asset and we probably have enough depth to throw guys out there or find a cheap FA. Forwards: Suzuki, KK, Wheeler, Gallagher, Drouin, Domi, Danault, Tatar, Byron... All of a sudden that's a pretty stacked top 9. Defense: Petry, Chiarot, Edmundson, Kulak, Mete, Romanov... FA depth. Sometimes it's better to double down on your strengths rather than try to be perfectly balanced. The Habs should go all in on goal scoring and let the chips fall. They would still have Price in net and would be fun to watch! One thing the Jets sorely miss, though, is a #2 centre after Scheiffele. Bryan Little's injuries have reduced his productivity and the other guys are all plow horses (though good plow horses). And yes, they can certainly use more quality at the back end. I read somewhere that Chevy considers two guys as untouchable....Scheiffele and Wheeler.
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Post by seventeen on Sept 29, 2020 13:16:28 GMT -5
and the rumors have started about Eichel being on the block too. Say goodbye to Suzuki if Eichel is available. I do Suzuki and a 1st for him. As long as he signs a 8/8 with us. Eichel is signed for $10MM per for the next 7 years. Worth it.
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Post by folatre on Sept 29, 2020 13:47:02 GMT -5
Kessel is a high end talent, always has been. But, yeah, there is the issue of his quirky personality. And the fit of his age (32) and contract (two years) are questionable. I guess if one sees him making the Habs a Stanley Cup contender, then giving up a couple assets would be fine.
Probably the clincher is that none of the parties would give the green light to do it. Bergevin and Julien are about the last duo that would welcome a non-conformist. And Kessel can reject a trade to 23 teams in the league. Something tells me all seven Canadian clubs are on the no trade list.
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Post by PTH on Sept 29, 2020 17:50:35 GMT -5
You draft for need or BPA... There are so few players being drafted from the Q... only 5 of the drafts between 2010 and 2019 had more than 18 Q players drafted... some as low as 14 and the makes drafting a player from the Q more challenging depending on where their ranked. For example if a Q player is grabbed right before the habs pick and the next one is not until the next round, they cant pick the player from the Q. Here is an article that describes the overall decline of draft picks coming from the CHL. There is a table that shows the Q never had more than 20 players drafted in a single draft since 2010 thehockeywriters.com/2019-draft-canadian-players-ten-year-low/Also in every draft since 2010, except for 2017, at least 1 French speaking player was drafted www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/teams/dr00006929.htmlPicking a guy from the Q in the 7th round isn't what I'm talking about, though... I know it's not that simple getting local guys, but I don't think it's expecting too much to want this team to scout the QMJHL particularly well and have an eye on bilingual OHL boys... BTW: interesting tidbit about Tampa's Quebec Scout. This is the kind of guy we need to get: someone who loves the Q and can get players out of it. www.lapresse.ca/sports/hockey/2020-09-29/michel-boucher-un-gros-morceau-du-casse-tete.php
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Post by Cranky on Sept 29, 2020 23:37:53 GMT -5
Picking a guy from the Q in the 7th round isn't what I'm talking about, though... I know it's not that simple getting local guys, but I don't think it's expecting too much to want this team to scout the QMJHL particularly well and have an eye on bilingual OHL boys... BTW: interesting tidbit about Tampa's Quebec Scout. This is the kind of guy we need to get: someone who loves the Q and can get players out of it. www.lapresse.ca/sports/hockey/2020-09-29/michel-boucher-un-gros-morceau-du-casse-tete.phpANY player that comes out Quebec without the Habs having thoroughly scouted him is.....a monumental failure o their part. From eastern Canada to Ontario, including all of Ontario, it should be considered the Habs back yard.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Sept 30, 2020 11:51:44 GMT -5
I would like MB to try and trade for Anthony Mantha in Detroit. He is a big 25 year old RW with a cannon of a shot and a Montreal kid to boot. He was possibly on the market last season as Yzerman is looking to rebuild so would possibly take prospects and picks. Poehling and a 2nd round this year? He would certainly be a big addition to the right side and add needed size to top 6. I like Mantha too. Mantha is the same age as Anderson and they are basically in the exact same position contractually. Both need a contract this summer and yet both are eligible to become UFAs the following summer. But their situations are different as well. First, Anderson's relationship with management in Columbus is broken and he is available; despite the fact that Kenny Holland had trouble getting Mantha signed two summers ago, it is not clear that Mantha wants out or that Yzerman does not see him as part of their core moving forward. Second, in the event that Detroit is not totally convinced about holding onto him given how far they are away from icing a competitive team, Mantha is a .665 point per game player (as a reference point Drouin is .599 for his career) and the cost of acquiring him would not be cheap and the contract that he would require would be significant. I actually think Habitual’s offer (Poehling and a second) is about what it would take. Of course, I would only consider it if Mantha was ready to sign long-term, let’s say something like 5 x 5.75 or 6 x 6. Add me to the “i like Martha” list. Giving up 4 first rounders doesnt make sense. Imagine making two offer sheets for two RFA’s. No guarantee of a cup and no first round picks for 8 years long after Bergevin is gone.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Sept 30, 2020 11:52:25 GMT -5
I would like MB to try and trade for Anthony Mantha in Detroit. He is a big 25 year old RW with a cannon of a shot and a Montreal kid to boot. He was possibly on the market last season as Yzerman is looking to rebuild so would possibly take prospects and picks. Poehling and a 2nd round this year? He would certainly be a big addition to the right side and add needed size to top 6. I like Mantha too. Mantha is the same age as Anderson and they are basically in the exact same position contractually. Both need a contract this summer and yet both are eligible to become UFAs the following summer. But their situations are different as well. First, Anderson's relationship with management in Columbus is broken and he is available; despite the fact that Kenny Holland had trouble getting Mantha signed two summers ago, it is not clear that Mantha wants out or that Yzerman does not see him as part of their core moving forward. Second, in the event that Detroit is not totally convinced about holding onto him given how far they are away from icing a competitive team, Mantha is a .665 point per game player (as a reference point Drouin is .599 for his career) and the cost of acquiring him would not be cheap and the contract that he would require would be significant. I actually think Habitual’s offer (Poehling and a second) is about what it would take. Of course, I would only consider it if Mantha was ready to sign long-term, let’s say something like 5 x 5.75 or 6 x 6. Add me to the “i like Martha” list. Giving up 4 first rounders doesnt make sense. Imagine making two offer sheets for two RFA’s. No guarantee of a cup and no first round picks for 8 years long after Bergevin is gone.
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Post by GNick99 on Oct 1, 2020 6:16:39 GMT -5
I'm not sure we have what Winnipeg wants/needs. Looking at their roster, the Jets have most of their big money tied up in forwards (Wheeler, Connor, Ehlers, Laine, Scheifele). Their back end looks pretty weak and I would imagine they would want a real stud on defense rather than more forwards that they don't really need. How about Shea Weber straight up for Blake Wheeler? Pretty much the same age and cap hit. They get an upgrade on D and we get more scoring and some much needed size. Losing Weber would be hard but he's a declining asset and we probably have enough depth to throw guys out there or find a cheap FA. Forwards: Suzuki, KK, Wheeler, Gallagher, Drouin, Domi, Danault, Tatar, Byron... All of a sudden that's a pretty stacked top 9. Defense: Petry, Chiarot, Edmundson, Kulak, Mete, Romanov... FA depth. Sometimes it's better to double down on your strengths rather than try to be perfectly balanced. The Habs should go all in on goal scoring and let the chips fall. They would still have Price in net and would be fun to watch! One thing the Jets sorely miss, though, is a #2 centre after Scheiffele. Bryan Little's injuries have reduced his productivity and the other guys are all plow horses (though good plow horses). And yes, they can certainly use more quality at the back end. I read somewhere that Chevy considers two guys as untouchable....Scheiffele and Wheeler. I hope we don't trade Danault in this deal. Get just as much at trade deadline as now. Will buy us time until we have better grip what we have in Evan's. Along with Poehling in Laval. Provided he is healthy. Additional 60 games of evaluation will reduce mistake. Danault along with Lekhonen makes a good 2 way line. If Bryon is on this line, their speed seems to knock timing off many first lines. An awesome 3rd line. As each are a proven 18-20 goal potential and excel defense.
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Post by Willie Dog on Oct 1, 2020 9:23:49 GMT -5
One thing the Jets sorely miss, though, is a #2 centre after Scheiffele. Bryan Little's injuries have reduced his productivity and the other guys are all plow horses (though good plow horses). And yes, they can certainly use more quality at the back end. I read somewhere that Chevy considers two guys as untouchable....Scheiffele and Wheeler. I hope we don't trade Danault in this deal. Get just as much at trade deadline as now. Will buy us time until we have better grip what we have in Evan's. Along with Poehling in Laval. Provided he is healthy. Additional 60 games of evaluation will reduce mistake. Danault along with Lekhonen makes a good 2 way line. If Bryon is on this line, their speed seems to knock timing off many first lines. An awesome 3rd line. As each are a proven 18-20 goal potential and excel defense. What if Danault doesnt want to be a 3C? And pouts like Domi or Drouin in Tampa... I think we need to stop getting players whose last name start with a D... 😁
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Post by seventeen on Oct 1, 2020 14:17:39 GMT -5
Failures, are they? We definitely don’t need any players who start with F.
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Post by GNick99 on Oct 1, 2020 15:02:03 GMT -5
I hope we don't trade Danault in this deal. Get just as much at trade deadline as now. Will buy us time until we have better grip what we have in Evan's. Along with Poehling in Laval. Provided he is healthy. Additional 60 games of evaluation will reduce mistake. Danault along with Lekhonen makes a good 2 way line. If Bryon is on this line, their speed seems to knock timing off many first lines. An awesome 3rd line. As each are a proven 18-20 goal potential and excel defense. What if Danault doesnt want to be a 3C? And pouts like Domi or Drouin in Tampa... I think we need to stop getting players whose last name start with a D... 😁 Contract year. Danault won't sell himself out like that. It will work.
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Post by Willie Dog on Oct 1, 2020 21:43:23 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind if MB sees what Dadonov would want... I think he can help in the short term...
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Post by GNick99 on Oct 4, 2020 5:28:43 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind if MB sees what Dadonov would want... I think he can help in the short term... I just wrote about Dadanov in another thread. Lol he be my move also. One thing about it, next few days be major changes in our roster, caproom, and prospect pool. With Draft Tuesday and Wednesday and free agency on Fridsy. Next week this time team look different than now.
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Post by Willie Dog on Oct 4, 2020 8:13:27 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind if MB sees what Dadonov would want... I think he can help in the short term... I just wrote about Dadanov in another thread. Lol he be my move also. One thing about it, next few days be major changes in our roster, caproom, and prospect pool. With Draft Tuesday and Wednesday and free agency on Fridsy. Next week this time team look different than now.Maybe it does and maybe it doesnt... maybe we end up with the players we have and no cap room
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Post by BadCompany on Oct 4, 2020 9:59:03 GMT -5
For grins and giggles...
Is Cayden Primeau in play? Should he be?
I keep thinking about the Demchenko signing. Why? Why does a 26 year old KHL starter leave the KHL to come to North America, where his AHL salary is $70,000? Okay, maybe he dreams of making the NHL and good on him for having that dream, but why Montreal? Unless he has a terrible agent he had to of known that Montreal was in the market for a proven NHL backup, and he had to of known that Primeau is the heir-apparent and the defacto #1 in Laval. So why come to Montreal to be an AHL backup if you have NHL dreams? Is he THAT confident in his ability that he thinks he will usurp Primeau? Perhaps. But it seems like a real gamble.
Or...
(not gonna happen, but what the heck)
Montreal currently has four AHL goalies: Primeau, Demchenko, Lindgren, and McNiven.
They just resigned McNiven, which is kind of bizarre given that they couldn't find a place for him last year in the ECHL, and this year looks to be even more complicated. Now they have to find a place for both him and Lindgren (or Demchenko). Sign and trade? Perhaps, but how much value does McNiven have? I know everybody keeps saying we're going to deal Lindgren, and maybe they will, but he's on a one-way contract and has to clear waivers. And he's probably in the "he is what he is" stage of his career" so I don't see him having any value either. Demchenko? Trade a guy before he's even played a game for your organization?
So...
How much value does Primeau have? Boatload of NCAA awards, AHL all-rookie, NHL size, pedigree, demeanor. Just turned 21. Represented Team USA at the World Championships where he backed up Cory Schneider and Thatcher Demko. I'm not saying he's a top prospect worthy of a 1st round pick, but surely he has value? Does he get you a top-ish prospect or reclamation project? Josh Anderson maybe? What if you pair him with say Lehkonen? Would that be enough to get you a Kyle Palmieri? Brandon Saad? What if we revive an old trope and start tossing out Primeau, Lehkonen and a 2nd offers? What does that get us? What about Primeau and a 1st?
Or...
What if Yaroslav Askarov slides? What if he's sitting there at 16? Best goalie prospect since Price they say. Couple of years in the KHL, steps in nicely just as Price declines. Do we take what might clearly be the best player available at 16 if we can nab a top 6 winger by dangling Primeau + ? If Askarov is sitting there at 13 do we trade up?
It won't happen, as it would break the internet if it did so therefor it's probably illegal, but it sure would be fun if it did.
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Post by Skilly on Oct 4, 2020 10:00:20 GMT -5
If we pick Askarov, then we are trading Price.
I think we should trade Price. It’s time.
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Post by Willie Dog on Oct 4, 2020 13:20:49 GMT -5
If we pick Askarov, then we are trading Price. I think we should trade Price. It’s time. Im Sure Seattle will try to replicate the Vegas expansion Model and will be looking for assets/picks to leave unprotected players alone... maybe make a deal with Seattle to leave Carey exposed for picks or something... Given Carey's cap hit, name recognition and Seattle's proximity to BC (the province mot the poster 😁) and their need to hit the cap floor... Seattle is the best team to send him to imo...
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Post by GNick99 on Oct 4, 2020 14:11:22 GMT -5
For grins and giggles... Is Cayden Primeau in play? Should he be? I keep thinking about the Demchenko signing. Why? Why does a 26 year old KHL starter leave the KHL to come to North America, where his AHL salary is $70,000? Okay, maybe he dreams of making the NHL and good on him for having that dream, but why Montreal? Unless he has a terrible agent he had to of known that Montreal was in the market for a proven NHL backup, and he had to of known that Primeau is the heir-apparent and the defacto #1 in Laval. So why come to Montreal to be an AHL backup if you have NHL dreams? Is he THAT confident in his ability that he thinks he will usurp Primeau? Perhaps. But it seems like a real gamble. Or... ( not gonna happen, but what the heck)Montreal currently has four AHL goalies: Primeau, Demchenko, Lindgren, and McNiven. They just resigned McNiven, which is kind of bizarre given that they couldn't find a place for him last year in the ECHL, and this year looks to be even more complicated. Now they have to find a place for both him and Lindgren (or Demchenko). Sign and trade? Perhaps, but how much value does McNiven have? I know everybody keeps saying we're going to deal Lindgren, and maybe they will, but he's on a one-way contract and has to clear waivers. And he's probably in the "he is what he is" stage of his career" so I don't see him having any value either. Demchenko? Trade a guy before he's even played a game for your organization? So... How much value does Primeau have? Boatload of NCAA awards, AHL all-rookie, NHL size, pedigree, demeanor. Just turned 21. Represented Team USA at the World Championships where he backed up Cory Schneider and Thatcher Demko. I'm not saying he's a top prospect worthy of a 1st round pick, but surely he has value? Does he get you a top-ish prospect or reclamation project? Josh Anderson maybe? What if you pair him with say Lehkonen? Would that be enough to get you a Kyle Palmieri? Brandon Saad? What if we revive an old trope and start tossing out Primeau, Lehkonen and a 2nd offers? What does that get us? What about Primeau and a 1st? Or... What if Yaroslav Askarov slides? What if he's sitting there at 16? Best goalie prospect since Price they say. Couple of years in the KHL, steps in nicely just as Price declines. Do we take what might clearly be the best player available at 16 if we can nab a top 6 winger by dangling Primeau + ? If Askarov is sitting there at 13 do we trade up? It won't happen, as it would break the internet if it did so therefor it's probably illegal, but it sure would be fun if it did. Good analyst, never noticed it before. So many musical chairs in goalie market this offseasons hard to predict. He could just be building depth hoping one emerges. Goalies are wildcards
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Post by seventeen on Oct 4, 2020 14:16:42 GMT -5
For grins and giggles... Is Cayden Primeau in play? Should he be? I keep thinking about the Demchenko signing. Why? Why does a 26 year old KHL starter leave the KHL to come to North America, where his AHL salary is $70,000? Okay, maybe he dreams of making the NHL and good on him for having that dream, but why Montreal? Unless he has a terrible agent he had to of known that Montreal was in the market for a proven NHL backup, and he had to of known that Primeau is the heir-apparent and the defacto #1 in Laval. So why come to Montreal to be an AHL backup if you have NHL dreams? Is he THAT confident in his ability that he thinks he will usurp Primeau? Perhaps. But it seems like a real gamble. Or... ( not gonna happen, but what the heck)Montreal currently has four AHL goalies: Primeau, Demchenko, Lindgren, and McNiven. They just resigned McNiven, which is kind of bizarre given that they couldn't find a place for him last year in the ECHL, and this year looks to be even more complicated. Now they have to find a place for both him and Lindgren (or Demchenko). Sign and trade? Perhaps, but how much value does McNiven have? I know everybody keeps saying we're going to deal Lindgren, and maybe they will, but he's on a one-way contract and has to clear waivers. And he's probably in the "he is what he is" stage of his career" so I don't see him having any value either. Demchenko? Trade a guy before he's even played a game for your organization? So... How much value does Primeau have? Boatload of NCAA awards, AHL all-rookie, NHL size, pedigree, demeanor. Just turned 21. Represented Team USA at the World Championships where he backed up Cory Schneider and Thatcher Demko. I'm not saying he's a top prospect worthy of a 1st round pick, but surely he has value? Does he get you a top-ish prospect or reclamation project? Josh Anderson maybe? What if you pair him with say Lehkonen? Would that be enough to get you a Kyle Palmieri? Brandon Saad? What if we revive an old trope and start tossing out Primeau, Lehkonen and a 2nd offers? What does that get us? What about Primeau and a 1st? Or... What if Yaroslav Askarov slides? What if he's sitting there at 16? Best goalie prospect since Price they say. Couple of years in the KHL, steps in nicely just as Price declines. Do we take what might clearly be the best player available at 16 if we can nab a top 6 winger by dangling Primeau + ? If Askarov is sitting there at 13 do we trade up? It won't happen, as it would break the internet if it did so therefor it's probably illegal, but it sure would be fun if it did. BC, you're complicating things way too much. Here's how it went where we now have 4 Laval goalies. Cripes...we really need a backup for Price. The workload is killing himAgreed, and there's this Russian guy who was on the same team as Francouz and was just as good. Francouz is doing great, so Demchenko can be our answer. Let's sign him. Sheesh, Francouz doesn't look so good anymore, hey guys? Yeah...what a save percentage. We have to have better options for a backup Allen's available. We're getting him! But now we have 6 goalies on our list We'll deal with that later.
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Post by PTH on Oct 4, 2020 19:46:37 GMT -5
If we pick Askarov, then we are trading Price. Not necessarily... First of all, it's 3 seasons before Askarov is NHL ready, other than the occasional injury call-up perhaps. If by then Primeau has worked out and is turning into a starter, then yes we have a problem if Askarov appears to have starter potential. But if either one isn't a starter, then we move the potential backup if we have to, and keep the starter as a platooning guy with Price as long as he is still up for it. And IMO IMO Price has about 4 good seasons left, after which he'd just be hanging on for the paycheck, so there isn't a huge overlap between when Askarov needs NHL icetime and when Price is likely to hang them up. I want to agree, but that contract would be impossible to move.
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Post by Cranky on Oct 5, 2020 0:58:21 GMT -5
Because of Covid, here is a new worksharing plan. They are now going to be using two goalies.....at the same time..
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Post by Skilly on Oct 5, 2020 7:27:11 GMT -5
If we pick Askarov, then we are trading Price. Not necessarily... First of all, it's 3 seasons before Askarov is NHL ready, other than the occasional injury call-up perhaps. If by then Primeau has worked out and is turning into a starter, then yes we have a problem if Askarov appears to have starter potential. But if either one isn't a starter, then we move the potential backup if we have to, and keep the starter as a platooning guy with Price as long as he is still up for it. And IMO IMO Price has about 4 good seasons left, after which he'd just be hanging on for the paycheck, so there isn't a huge overlap between when Askarov needs NHL icetime and when Price is likely to hang them up. I want to agree, but that contract would be impossible to move. But, to get better … You need to trade Price when he still has value. Picking Askarov sends a clear message to Price, a message that he may not like. So trade him now, for once in this franchise's life, we trade high … We have Allen who is a capable starter, and back-ups that will get in enough games to consider it a platoon situation. We suck waiting for Askarov AND Primeau to become NHL ready … Those draft picks from sucking are developed by the time the goalies are ready … A clear plan … not this hang on and hope BS ...
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Post by PTH on Oct 5, 2020 8:45:49 GMT -5
But, to get better … You need to trade Price when he still has value. I think his value is already very iffy, because of that contract. Any contending team already has some cap issues, and a guy making a huge contract until well past his best before date isn't going to be of interest to any smart manager. I'm not sure players would see it that way... Askarov needs to develop properly, and the overlap between him and Price would be fairly small, unless Price plans on starting 65 games at age 38. Well, it's pretty typical that us fans want to aim for the best possible team to maximize the odds of a championship, whereas management and ownership just want a ticked-selling competitive team every year, and are ok just wishing for the best while being competitive every year. Most owners would be content with the San Jose Sharks who made the playoffs 17 or the last 20 years or so, without ever winning it all, but getting a lot of playoff game revenue.
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Post by seventeen on Oct 5, 2020 13:15:49 GMT -5
I think San Jose seriously wanted to win the Cup. They had good enough teams several years, but either the goaltending or luck did them in. And oh yeah, they also had Doug Murray for 7.5 of those seasons. Strangely enough, he was a minus player only in his last 0.5 of a season before getting traded to Pittsburgh. Weird, huh?
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Post by Boston_Habs on Oct 5, 2020 16:22:10 GMT -5
I think San Jose seriously wanted to win the Cup. They had good enough teams several years, but either the goaltending or luck did them in. And oh yeah, they also had Doug Murray for 7.5 of those seasons. Strangely enough, he was a minus player only in his last 0.5 of a season before getting traded to Pittsburgh. Weird, huh? I'd be very content to be like the Sharks. In the 12 full seasons from 2006-07 the Sharks averaged 47 wins and 104 points. They finished with 100 points or better in 8 of those years, had 50+ wins four times, and were consistently among the top teams in the conference if not the league. I didn't check the competition, but I would bet the Sharks are one of the most successful franchises in the NHL over the past 15 years. They had their flaws like every team, but the regular season matters. A lot, and the Sharks are EXACTLY what a well-built and well-run organization looks like. I care about the titles, but to be honest I care about the regular season more. Building a team that can be successful over 82 games, year in and year out, always in the mix. The playoffs can be a crapshoot sometimes and lots of other factors come into play. Look at Tampa last year for crying out loud - 62 wins, 128 points and they get swept in the 1st round by Columbus. WTF?? But what happened the next year? They were right back in the hunt and finished the job. Bubble or no bubble, Tampa was the best team in the NHL.... even without Steven Stamkos! So if you told be that we would average 47-50 wins and 100-110 points EVERY year for the next 10 years, but with no guarantees of winning a Cup? Sign me up. That's what Bergevin hasn't figured out. It's never been about "making the playoffs" and "anything can happen", it's about building an 82-game team and then rolling the dice in the playoffs. The Sharks are a good example of there are no guarantees in life but I have tons of respect for teams like that.
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Post by Tankdriver on Oct 5, 2020 16:31:51 GMT -5
With the draft coming up, would anyone trade k.k. for 1st overall? How much more would Montreal have to give up? Another 1st and second?
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