Eichel

[folatre]

Gnick, for sure, the Hawks could imperiously use Eichel. Maybe if Toews is healthy again he could slot in nicely as 2C. Obviously Dach, the 12th overall, and a couple of high quality additional pieces (I think Boqvist would be one of them) have to go the other way.

Things are pretty quiet with the Rangers now. I have to imagine the asking price will be higher for a club in the Eastern Conference.

One of my best friends is a Sabres lifer and he was telling me that Anaheim, Columbus, and Vegas are trying hard to craft a package for Eichel.

[Cranky]

Rangers and Knights will throw the farm at Buffalo to get Eichel. We should stay far back from that farm slaughter.

[Willie Dog]

Jun 27, 2021 4:54:52 GMT -5 Cranky said:

Rangers and Knights will throw the farm at Buffalo to get Eichel. We should stay far back from that farm slaughter.

After the knight loss to us, they are in win now mode, they need a real #1c, theyll give up lots to get eichel...

Patches eichel stone... that's a top line

[folatre]

For what it is worth, Marty Biron is saying that he believes Buffalo will trade Eichel during the 2021-22 season. This take is in contrast to what TSN insiders as saying, which makes it a virtual fait accompli that Eichel will move before or at the Draft.

Maybe Biron is hearing that Kevyn Adams is just not getting the type of offers he is looking for and seeing Eichel in game shape and performing at a high level could reestablish a higher asking price.

[jkr]

I can see teams being concerned when they hear about neck injuries. Do guys every really recover or does it become chronic?

[GNick99]

Jun 26, 2021 17:44:11 GMT -5 folatre said:

Gnick, for sure, the Hawks could imperiously use Eichel. Maybe if Toews is healthy again he could slot in nicely as 2C. Obviously Dach, the 12th overall, and a couple of high quality additional pieces (I think Boqvist would be one of them) have to go the other way.

Things are pretty quiet with the Rangers now. I have to imagine the asking price will be higher for a club in the Eastern Conference.

One of my best friends is a Sabres lifer and he was telling me that Anaheim, Columbus, and Vegas are trying hard to craft a package for Eichel.

Not often player of his caliber comes on the market

[Skilly]

Jun 29, 2021 9:11:18 GMT -5 folatre said:

For what it is worth, Marty Biron is saying that he believes Buffalo will trade Eichel during the 2021-22 season. This take is in contrast to what TSN insiders as saying, which makes it a virtual fait accompli that Eichel will move before or at the Draft.

Maybe Biron is hearing that Kevyn Adams is just not getting the type of offers he is looking for and seeing Eichel in game shape and performing at a high level could reestablish a higher asking price.

If Eichel even reports to Buffalo.

Why would he risk injury? Buffalo and Eichel have a vested interest in getting this done before the season starts. I don’t think anyone needs proof of what Eichel is capable of

[folatre]

I agree that having a disgruntled Eichel around is problematic and they could not leave the C on his sweater so that would be seriously awkward too. However, if Adams cannot find the right deal, I doubt Eichel chooses not to report. This is not the NBA or the NFL. The dude has a contract with five years to run and he would not get paid.

There is a lot of interest, but no one is going to pay a Lindros type ransom for Eichel. My buddy was saying that Buffalo is adamant that Anaheim needs to hand over Zegras, Drysdale, and the second overall pick. That is just not going to happen. In the end, I think Pegula will lean on Adams to take whatever the best deal is over the next 3-4 weeks and be done with it.

I like Granato, but clearly Pegula is going with a cheap coaching option who is okay with working with kids through the hard days of a full rebuild. Remember, they essentially have to trade Reinhardt and Ristoleinen as well. Those guys are UFAs next summer and both have been sour publicly about the endless losing in Buffalo.

[seventeen]

Buffalo needs a big return for Eichel, understandably. The only way to get that is to show the hockey world he's healthy, so him playing early in the season is good for both Eichel and the Sabres. I think he'll report and play, and play well.

[GNick99]

Jul 1, 2021 11:13:20 GMT -5 Skilly said:

Jun 29, 2021 9:11:18 GMT -5 folatre said:

For what it is worth, Marty Biron is saying that he believes Buffalo will trade Eichel during the 2021-22 season. This take is in contrast to what TSN insiders as saying, which makes it a virtual fait accompli that Eichel will move before or at the Draft.

Maybe Biron is hearing that Kevyn Adams is just not getting the type of offers he is looking for and seeing Eichel in game shape and performing at a high level could reestablish a higher asking price.

If Eichel even reports to Buffalo.

Why would he risk injury? Buffalo and Eichel have a vested interest in getting this done before the season starts. I don’t think anyone needs proof of what Eichel is capable of

Sabre fans on u tube think Eichel is gone this summer. But I don't know situation inside.

[jkr]

Eichel and the team disagree over the treatment. They say they are working on a solution but their approaches differ widely.

www.nhl.com/news/buffalo-sabres-jack-eichel-near-medical-solution/c-325547746

[GNick99]

Frank Seravalli was on Tim and Friends last night said with new found cap space Habs could be in on Eichel.

I would pass. Injury is scaring me off. After losing Weber and Drouin coming down with mental illness, I would want a healthy player. To take on 10 million in salary and give up our top picks and gut core out of our farm system. Needs to be no negative there.

Futa was on earlier, said the asking price on Eichel is equivalent of 6 first round picks.

[GNick99]

Friedman had a column Buffalo has lowered the asking price on Eichel. Could make it more acceptable to Montreal. I would throw them an offer of KK, our 1st pick in 2021, and Drouin for Eichel? I doubt they bite. Anaheim is said to be hard after Eichel also. Buffalo may counter offer with something close though.

[GNick99]

Montreal radio reporting Habs talking with Sabres for Eichel yesterday.

[jkr]

Jul 16, 2021 5:26:53 GMT -5 GNick99 said:

Frank Seravalli was on Tim and Friends last night said with new found cap space Habs could be in on Eichel.

I would pass. Injury is scaring me off. After losing Weber and Drouin coming down with mental illness, I would want a healthy player. To take on 10 million in salary and give up our top picks and gut core out of our farm system. Needs to be no negative there.

Futa was on earlier, said the asking price on Eichel is equivalent of 6 first round picks.

I feel the same. A neck injury really worries me and they can't agree on treatment.

A knee or a shoulder is one thing but a blow to the neck, could be career ending.

[GNick99]

Jul 24, 2021 15:09:46 GMT -5 jkr said:

Jul 16, 2021 5:26:53 GMT -5 GNick99 said:

Frank Seravalli was on Tim and Friends last night said with new found cap space Habs could be in on Eichel.

I would pass. Injury is scaring me off. After losing Weber and Drouin coming down with mental illness, I would want a healthy player. To take on 10 million in salary and give up our top picks and gut core out of our farm system. Needs to be no negative there.

Futa was on earlier, said the asking price on Eichel is equivalent of 6 first round picks.

I feel the same. A neck injury really worries me and they can't agree on treatment.

A knee or a shoulder is one thing but a blow to the neck, could be career ending.

If Bergs trades farm for Eichel he is all in.

[Disgruntled70sHab]

Jul 16, 2021 5:26:53 GMT -5 GNick99 said:

Frank Seravalli was on Tim and Friends last night said with new found cap space Habs could be in on Eichel.

I would pass. Injury is scaring me off. After losing Weber and Drouin coming down with mental illness, I would want a healthy player. To take on 10 million in salary and give up our top picks and gut core out of our farm system. Needs to be no negative there.

Futa was on earlier, said the asking price on Eichel is equivalent of 6 first round picks.

Apologies, GNick ... I totally forgot about the "Eichel" thread, and I missed your post, before making my post on the main board ... have to be more informed before I post a duplicate in the future ...

Cheers, mate.

[GNick99]

Jul 25, 2021 9:32:41 GMT -5 Disgruntled70sHab said:

Jul 16, 2021 5:26:53 GMT -5 GNick99 said:

Frank Seravalli was on Tim and Friends last night said with new found cap space Habs could be in on Eichel.

I would pass. Injury is scaring me off. After losing Weber and Drouin coming down with mental illness, I would want a healthy player. To take on 10 million in salary and give up our top picks and gut core out of our farm system. Needs to be no negative there.

Futa was on earlier, said the asking price on Eichel is equivalent of 6 first round picks.

Apologies, GNick ... I totally forgot about the "Eichel" thread, and I missed your post, before making my post on the main board ... have to be more informed before I post a duplicate in the future ...

Cheers, mate.

That is alright. I like to keep topic in one thread but happnes once in awhile.

I am against trading for Eichel. But Bergs is a good trader. He's only lost 1 trade out of dozens he made, that was a guy who later came down with mental illness. So, I am holding out hope if we do acqurie Eichel Bergs will winn another one.

[GNick99]

Las Vegas likely landing spot for Eichel. They usually take those big gambles for star players.

We have a lot of depth on wing and short at center. Not sure if we still have iron in the fire there or not??

[folatre]

Vegas wants Eichel, for sure. But they actually do not have the pieces Buffalo wants in return. Krebs is the only young centre in their organization but he is far from a "can't miss" top 6 pivot and with only four games in the NHL, it would be borderline crazy for the Sabres to accept Krebs as the main piece.

Sure, Vegas would say hey you can have Stephenson or Karlsson and you can have Smith or Marchessault. But why would a club literally burning it down to the ground want 30 year old players on expensive contracts?

And because Vegas is a legit contender, their first round picks do not hold much value.

For me Bergevin could easily, without even going crazy overboard, put together a much better package than Vegas.

[GNick99]

Jul 29, 2021 12:40:10 GMT -5 folatre said:

Vegas wants Eichel, for sure. But they actually do not have the pieces Buffalo wants in return. Krebs is the only young centre in their organization but he is far from a "can't miss" top 6 pivot and with only four games in the NHL, it would be borderline crazy for the Sabres to accept Krebs as the main piece.

Sure, Vegas would say hey you can have Stephenson or Karlsson and you can have Smith or Marchessault. But why would a club literally burning it down to the ground want 30 year old players on expensive contracts?

And because Vegas is a legit contender, their first round picks do not hold much value.

For me Bergevin could easily, without even going crazy overboard, put together a much better package than Vegas.

Hard for Vegas to do yes. I am higher on Krebs than you sound though. Next draft is deep also. Smith was player rumoured to be involved, Vegas no doubt add another player. They most likely team to gamble highest.

I am surprised Buffalo never traded him at the draft or free agency. Training camp is drawing near and Eichel hasn't had his surgery yet? If they are talking disk replacement or spinal fusion he may never be the same player again. If it is just rest, have to wonder how affective it will be?

Habs are thin down the middle with extra wingers. But I don't get the opinion Bergs is all in. Bergs has a lot of guts though. We just have to wait and see. More it drags on more I am against it.

KK and our 1st most I like to go. Doubt that gets it done. With extra forwards I would offer Lehkonen if they take Drouin in deal?

[GNick99]

Did a little online search this morning. Rumour has it Vegas offer to Sabres for Eichel is Krebs, 2022 #1 pick, Smith and Tuch. I can't see the Habs being able to top.

I would like Eichel on Habs, we need him for sure. But too much risk there for me. The guy has a herniated disk, will need artificial disk replacement surgery. Which has never been done on an NHL player before. We don't know if he will be same player again. Questionable attitude? By way this situation with Sabres has dragged out do we need this on Habs? Then will take most of our farm, along with our first pick next year to acquire. Which, if Eichel doesn't respond to surgery will no doubt be a lottery pick. With draft in Montreal. Then take 10.5 million of our caproom. The price is steep

[folatre]

I share your trepidation regarding the Habs executing such a risky trade.

Time will say. Vegas may be obsessed with Eichel, but I continue to think other clubs could beat their offer. Krebs is only 6 months younger than Kotkaniemi and while 2019 was a deep draft, the kid went in the middle of the first round and has only a handful of professional games to his credit thus far.

Honestly I think Anaheim could hold onto Zegras and build their Eichel package around McTavish and it would be immediately stronger than what Vegas is being rumored to have on the table.

[Willie Dog]

With the draft being in montreal, no way does MB move the 1st round pick, I see him using the cap space to stockpile picks and try to move up.

[jkr]

I wonder about Boston. I have no idea who is in their system so this is just speculation on my part.

Krejci is not coming back. Bergeron is 36 and only has a year left on his deal. Coyle plays centre but the rest of the roster contains no standouts at that position. The Bruins shave always maintained an internal cap. Their best players - Bergeron, Marchand ,Pastrnak and Hall all make in the 6 miĺion range so I don't know if they would even consider someone with a huge contract like Eichel.

Bergeron is still very productive but how long will that last and who is in their system to take over?

[Cranky]

My very minor nightmare is that I wake up, eat breakfast and then surf here to find out....we got Eichel...and lost half out future.

The risk that he can be one hit away from losing him is a disaster waiting to happen. It can bring us back to the early 2000.

Plus, we really don't know if we are getting set up here. Eichel says he wants out because he and management know it's a career ended so he does them a favor by demanding a trade and someone falls for it. Don't forget the enormous contract he signed that set him up for a very rich lifestyle for life.

Beware...

[folatre]

Jeje, I do not think Eichel is trying to deceive any potential buyer. The player and Buffalo disagree about what type of surgical procedure is warranted. And because of the nature of the injury, clubs are obviously wary about paying the price for a top 10 player in the league when the injury represents significant risk.

Bergevin is always working the phones and the angles, but I doubt Eichel is headed to Montreal. Marty Biron is probably right, until Eichel returns to the ice and shows that he can be the player he was in 2019-20, it is unlikely that Buffalo can trade him for anything close to what they believe he is worth.

[jkr]

Came across this statement from Eichel's agents in which they say he can have the artificial disk replacement surgery now & be ready very close to the start of the season.

www.diebytheblade.com/2021/7/30/22602953/jack-eichel-agents-release-statement-nhl-hockey-buffalo-sabres

[Cranky]

WHY would we take such an enormous risk and mortgage our future on that disc surgery? He would be one hit away from LTIR.

Let the Rags take that risk. Or the Laffs.

[GNick99]

Aug 2, 2021 0:22:15 GMT -5 Cranky said:

WHY would we take such an enormous risk and mortgage our future on that disc surgery? He would be one hit away from LTIR.

Let the Rags take that risk. Or the Laffs.

Not a gamble I would take. A lot would hinge on what team doctors say about that type of injury. Buffalo wants what Eichel would fetch if he was healthy.

A fellow told me other day get Eichel out of that gong show in Buffalo could be one of best players in NHL.