Eichel

[Tankdriver]

Not a trade rumor, but it has been put out there that Buffalo is listening on everyone. If I am Marc Bergevin, I make my statement move as GM and swing for the fences. I would be calling every day asking about Eichel. I know he isn't having the greatest of seasons, but I think he just is tied of losing and needs a change of scenery. So, being Adams, I am going to ask for the moon.

I immediately need a center, so one of KK or Suzuki need to be involved.
I am going to want Cadyen Primeau
I am going to want Guehle
I am going to want a 1st round Pick 2021
Tatar to make the money work

So to sum the trade:

Suzuki or KK
Guehle or Norlander or Struble
Primeau
Tatar
1st Round Pick 2021
2nd Round Pick 2021 (we have two this year)

for Eichel, + retained cap money.

We finally get the center that drives the offense, keeps our most offensive prospect in the system and doesn't completely empty the farm.

It comes out 3 first round picks, a second round pick, plus a highly regarded prospect in Primeau.

Buffalo can then flip Tatar for another pick.

Too crazy?

[jkr]

Eichel is injured right now with a the mysterious UBI.

www.nhl.com/news/buffalo-sabres-jack-eichel-injury-update/c-322458254

It's hard to tell if he's just in a slump or the lousy ownership, management & coaching has finally worn him down.

BTW, I saw on the Sportsnet ticker that Krueger has finally been fired.

[seventeen]

Gerard Gallant, come on down! You're the next contestant on As the World Turns!

[Cranky]

Getting Eichel would be a bidding war with someone like the Rags.

Plus he's a 10 mil a year cost.

For that money, wouldn't you want two more of Toffoli and Anderson? 4 1st lines sounds good to me.

Aim lower and more impact. As long as we have Weber and Price boat anchors, we're still shopping in the thrift store.

Mantha, Rikell, Miller and others that are not stars, but allow us to get them without emptying the farm. Throw in your own....but don't use lawn darts. They aren't good for the environment....

[folatre]

Eichel in Montreal is not happening. The Rangers and the Kings and about ten other clubs are going to be in on him hard this summer. Plus, let us face it, Bergevin would not give up what Kekalainen was asking for Dubois so it seems unlikely that he would pay a considerably higher price for Eichel.

[Andrew]

The concern for me, with Eichel, is his durability. This will be the third season in his 6 year career where he'll have missed 15+ games. We want difference makers that can be relied upon to be in the lineup on a consistent basis.

[Willie Dog]

Rumour is the Sabres want the equivalent of 4 1sts for Eichel...

ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/nhl-rumors-sabres-want-4-first-round-picks-for-jack-eichel-181516797.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAJAg1V9vgPPLEx2RiH0ZZik_POLT6NEqtpN2sz_8TWIezlp3szczwoWHAL8Zr1kkwa934kP0XDtp2LgUr57SzcEIzLk-EQVLG5leawYrToMJIfb9UUrBZAHbL4I-vlwoE26a2PsCrXmdKslTWRd3VoGZhOkRk-f5EavKJCkTq0S1

[Willie Dog]

Can a team offer cash for a player, like they do in other sports... for Eichel give 2 firsts and 10 million in cash? If so, would that cash count against the cap?

[Cranky]

Mar 24, 2021 11:17:06 GMT -5 Willie Dog said:

Rumour is the Sabres want the equivalent of 4 1sts for Eichel...

ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/nhl-rumors-sabres-want-4-first-round-picks-for-jack-eichel-181516797.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAJAg1V9vgPPLEx2RiH0ZZik_POLT6NEqtpN2sz_8TWIezlp3szczwoWHAL8Zr1kkwa934kP0XDtp2LgUr57SzcEIzLk-EQVLG5leawYrToMJIfb9UUrBZAHbL4I-vlwoE26a2PsCrXmdKslTWRd3VoGZhOkRk-f5EavKJCkTq0S1

That would be Kk and Romanov and Guhle and Caufield.

Really?

NO

On top of that, he' signed for 10 million, which means that three current roster players are gone. Beyond Byron, which will costs us to move, then add Lehky, Armia and more to get under the cap.

Read my lips above!

Wait, I have more lip reading....

He has scored a grand total of 2 goals this year.

Nothing stops him from walking away in five years.

We will have given away a chunk of our future and need to pay a lot of expensive FA to replace them.

Just say no...

[folatre]

The Rangers or the Kings are going to make it happen in the summer. And it will be consummated with less than the equivalent of Kotkaniemi, Romanov, Guhle, and Caufield.

[Cranky]

Rags have ten players in their current roster that are under 22. If they want to give up Lafreniere, Kakko, Miller and Chytil, go for it. Their farm system is deeper then ours.

LA has Byfield, Kaliyev, Kupari and Kemper. Plus more mid level prospects. They can go for it too.

We don't. We got Suzuki, Kk and Romanov. Guhle and Caufield on the horizon. After that, lots of hope and prayers.

Much like Ekholm, I wanted them traded so Bbinz doesn't get excited...and foolish.

[GNick99]

Mar 17, 2021 11:42:57 GMT -5 Tankdriver said:

Not a trade rumor, but it has been put out there that Buffalo is listening on everyone. If I am Marc Bergevin, I make my statement move as GM and swing for the fences. I would be calling every day asking about Eichel. I know he isn't having the greatest of seasons, but I think he just is tied of losing and needs a change of scenery. So, being Adams, I am going to ask for the moon.

I immediately need a center, so one of KK or Suzuki need to be involved.
I am going to want Cadyen Primeau
I am going to want Guehle
I am going to want a 1st round Pick 2021
Tatar to make the money work

So to sum the trade:

Suzuki or KK
Guehle or Norlander or Struble
Primeau
Tatar
1st Round Pick 2021
2nd Round Pick 2021 (we have two this year)

for Eichel, + retained cap money.

We finally get the center that drives the offense, keeps our most offensive prospect in the system and doesn't completely empty the farm.

It comes out 3 first round picks, a second round pick, plus a highly regarded prospect in Primeau.

Buffalo can then flip Tatar for another pick.

Too crazy?

Too big of a trade. Unless return is less than I expect it to be

[Disgruntled70sHab]

What would the price be Victor Olofsson ... wouldn't hurt to ask ...

Cheers.

[seventeen]

Mar 24, 2021 18:43:38 GMT -5 folatre said:

The Rangers or the Kings are going to make it happen in the summer. And it will be consummated with less than the equivalent of Kotkaniemi, Romanov, Guhle, and Caufield.

If the Rags can get Eichel and retain Zibanejad as #2 centre, they'd be pretty deep down the middle. Fox is starting to become that top defenceman every team needs and K'andre Miller is looking better and better as he gains experience.

The race isn't over yet but at about the same time, the Rangers said they're tanking and the Habs said "no way, we won't tank". Too early to judge yet, but the process has been interesting to follow. The Rangers blew two high picks with Kravtsov (maybe not yet) and Elias Andersson. Not sure their amateur scouting is all that good.
They got lucky winning the lottery and getting Lafreniere, who is starting to pick it up. Kakko is still a work in progress.

[seventeen]

Mar 17, 2021 11:42:57 GMT -5 Tankdriver said:

Not a trade rumor, but it has been put out there that Buffalo is listening on everyone. If I am Marc Bergevin, I make my statement move as GM and swing for the fences. I would be calling every day asking about Eichel. I know he isn't having the greatest of seasons, but I think he just is tied of losing and needs a change of scenery. So, being Adams, I am going to ask for the moon.

I immediately need a center, so one of KK or Suzuki need to be involved.
I am going to want Cadyen Primeau
I am going to want Guehle
I am going to want a 1st round Pick 2021
Tatar to make the money work

So to sum the trade:

Suzuki or KK
Guehle or Norlander or Struble
Primeau
Tatar
1st Round Pick 2021
2nd Round Pick 2021 (we have two this year)

for Eichel, + retained cap money.

We finally get the center that drives the offense, keeps our most offensive prospect in the system and doesn't completely empty the farm.

It comes out 3 first round picks, a second round pick, plus a highly regarded prospect in Primeau.

Buffalo can then flip Tatar for another pick.

Too crazy?

I would try to massage that deal. I'd rather give up Suzuki than KK and I'd really like to hold on to Primeau. The rest is palatable. If they insist on Primeau, I'd probably still do it and maybe try to keep the 2nd round pick.

An Eichel just doesn't come around every year. All the guys we're giving up (except Tatar) have excellent potential, but it's not realized so Buffalo is taking a risk, although it's a measured risk. Each of those guys could end up being very good, well above average NHL'rs, but not likely elite as Eichel is. What I like about this trade is that it's realistic. There's a lot of quality being moved for an elite player....as it should be. You might even have to give up two of Guhle, Norlinder and Struble
We'd need to replace a strong goalie prospect and our defensive prospect depth would be hurt but not severely. Out first rounder this year is somewhere between 16 and 20, so not too high (or is that low?). Our centre strength would be very high, however and Eichel is 24, so he fits in with the maturation of more of our youngsters.

[GNick99]

Apr 10, 2021 14:46:59 GMT -5 Disgruntled70sHab said:

What would the price be Victor Olofsson ... wouldn't hurt to ask ...

Cheers.

How many Olofsson you want in this team? We got two prospects with that name.

[jkr]

He's out for the season with a herniated disc in his neck.

[Cranky]

Apr 14, 2021 19:14:44 GMT -5 jkr said:

He's out for the season with a herniated disc in his neck.

That sounds like a career slap.

I wonder if that was the reason when there were rumors about trading him. Of course, there would be a massive outcry and the Sabres may of had to undo the trade and/or a massive penalty, like a couple of firsts.

Best wishes to the kid...

[Willie Dog]

Apr 14, 2021 19:31:05 GMT -5 Cranky said:

Apr 14, 2021 19:14:44 GMT -5 jkr said:

He's out for the season with a herniated disc in his neck.

That sounds like a career slap.

I wonder if that was the reason when there were rumors about trading him. Of course, there would be a massive outcry and the Sabres may of had to undo the trade and/or a massive penalty, like a couple of firsts.

Best wishes to the kid...

He'll get the best care around but thats a problematic issue... discs are tricky things

[folatre]

Wow, it does not sound like Eichel believes the Sabres are giving him the medical option that he needs.

Based on Eichel’s cryptic comments today, it certainly seems that he has told the organization that he wants out.

I have to believe that the Kings are the best positioned to make a serious pitch in terms of young assets, but there would seem to be no doubt the Rangers are going to do everything possible.

I could also see Boston and Dallas wanting to get involved, but they seem to be lacking the right type of pieces to get serious.

Is Bergevin (if he still has the job) going to try to get involved too?

[Disgruntled70sHab]

May 10, 2021 14:37:26 GMT -5 folatre said:

Wow, it does not sound like Eichel believes the Sabres are giving him the medical option that he needs.

Based on Eichel’s cryptic comments today, it certainly seems that he has told the organization that he wants out.

I have to believe that the Kings are the best positioned to make a serious pitch in terms of young assets, but there would seem to be no doubt the Rangers are going to do everything possible.

I could also see Boston and Dallas wanting to get involved, but they seem to be lacking the right type of pieces to get serious.

Is Bergevin (if he still has the job) going to try to get involved too?

... interesting way to end a statement ...

[Boston_Habs]

Tough one.

Assuming good health, I'd give up Suzuki or KK, plus any D prospect not on the roster, plus another 1st. I agree I'd rather hold onto Primeau if we can.

Problem is absorbing the $10 million cap hit. At a minimum, they'd have to take Weber off our hands, which Buffalo could easily do given the low cash outlay.

[Tankdriver]

May 10, 2021 16:45:37 GMT -5 Boston_Habs said:

Tough one.

Assuming good health, I'd give up Suzuki or KK, plus any D prospect not on the roster, plus another 1st. I agree I'd rather hold onto Primeau if we can.

Problem is absorbing the $10 million cap hit. At a minimum, they'd have to take Weber off our hands, which Buffalo could easily do given the low cash outlay.

Drouin, K.K., Guehle and a first.

[Cranky]

With a herniated disk on a physical player, the warning signs must be written in huge sky letters.

Don't do it Bbinz. Giving up 3-4 first line players for a guy who has a huge chance to live on your LTIR.

Just say no...

[Tankdriver]

May 10, 2021 23:41:06 GMT -5 Cranky said:

With a herniated disk on a physical player, the warning signs must be written in huge sky letters.

Don't do it Bbinz. Giving up 3-4 first line players for a guy who has a huge chance to live on your LTIR.

Just say no...

Did you ever regret the Eric Cole trade? He had a neck injury and he still put up a few 30 goal seasons with Montreal. Everyone has injuries. If Crosby wanted to come to Montreal are you going to say no because he had concussions in the past, or with McDavid and his knee? You don't turn down the chance for talent.

[seventeen]

I strongly suspect that Eichel is not going to any Canadian team. Nice to dream, but it's not going to happen.

[frozone]

May 11, 2021 12:33:32 GMT -5 seventeen said:

I strongly suspect that Eichel is not going to any Canadian team. Nice to dream, but it's not going to happen.

Eichel grew up a Habs fan and even wears number 9 in homage to the Rocket, so I wouldn't discount the possibility of him suiting up for les Glorieux.

When he's 36.

[jkr]

May 10, 2021 22:46:46 GMT -5 Tankdriver said:

May 10, 2021 16:45:37 GMT -5 Boston_Habs said:

Tough one.

Assuming good health, I'd give up Suzuki or KK, plus any D prospect not on the roster, plus another 1st. I agree I'd rather hold onto Primeau if we can.

Problem is absorbing the $10 million cap hit. At a minimum, they'd have to take Weber off our hands, which Buffalo could easily do given the low cash outlay.

Drouin, K.K., Guehle and a first.

I wouldn't take that if I was running the Sabres. Drouin has been a huge disappointment with yet another epic goalless streak and is now out of the lineup for an unknown reason. Kotkaniemi is an unknown. Is he struggling because has been mishandled or is this who he is? MTL is not getting a player like Eichel by unloading their problems on Buffalo. Over 375 games he is averaging .95 PPG.

If you want quality, you have to give up quality. I think the Sabres' ask would start with Suzuki and a 1st and go from there.

[folatre]

Eichel is from Boston, no? He was a Habs fan?

Anyway, technically, the Sabres do not have to do the kid any favors. His NMC does not kick in until July 1, 2022 so they can tell him to pack his bags to Ottawa or wherever and there is not much he can do.

Assuming Eichel recovers and the doctors of the club acquiring him verify this, it would take a big haul to land him. He is definitely a top 15 centre in the league, perhaps even top 10. And even though the cap hit is pricey, you are buying cost certainty for five prime years (age 25-29).

It has to start with a centre (either Suzuki or Kotkaniemi) and as you guys said if the idea is to move Kotkaniemi then the other pieces are going to have to be really nice. Maybe something like Kotkaniemi, Guhle, a first, a third, and Byron (as a salary dump to help absorb Eichel's big AAV). Suzuki is easier to project from their standpoint, so if he were the centre on the move then the other pieces could be more modest.

[Cranky]

The ask for Eichel will start with Suzuki, Romanov and whatever else will hurt like....Anderson? Plus more.

Then there is still the issue of back problems.