Out of town 2021-22

[folatre]

For sure, when a club has a core held together by elite pieces who continue producing big time well into their 30s, then the drop-off can certainly be postponed for quite a few years. Boston, Washington, and Pittsburgh have clearly benefited from these unicorns.

[Disgruntled70sHab]

[NWTHabsFan]

A little irony and chuckle for a lovely dog day of summer.

[HABsurd]

Aug 25, 2022 15:57:05 GMT -5 NWTHabsFan said:

A little irony and chuckle for a lovely dog day of summer.

Further adding to the insult, it has just been renamed the "Mullet Arena".

[folatre]

Jeje, that is humorous.

As an aside, how bad of a hockey town is Atlanta if in all the years since the Thrashers failed no NHL franchise ever located their AHL affiliate there?

[jkr]

Haven't given Atlanta much thought but that's a good point. Two NHL failures, one of which led to moving the team to--- Canada.

[jkr]

I noticed that the Coyotes also let Kessel walk. He signed for 1.5 million with Vegas. Couldn't the Coyotes have managed that?

He struggled to score last year but still has over 50 points. His next goal will be # 400 and he only needs 8 games to pass Yandle for the all time Iron Man streak.

[seventeen]

There’s a race going on in the NHL. It’s between the Hawks & Yotes as to which team can strip themselves so badly as to finish last. I sure hope neither gets that top pick, even if Montreal doesn’t either. They are so blatantly tanking, their first round picks should be stripped.

[Skilly]

Aug 29, 2022 0:58:42 GMT -5 seventeen said:

There’s a race going on in the NHL. It’s between the Hawks & Yotes as to which team can strip themselves so badly as to finish last. I sure hope neither gets that top pick, even if Montreal doesn’t either. They are so blatantly tanking, their first round picks should be stripped.

Don’t you fret.

If Montreal wants Bedard , all they need to do is play Montembault 60 games.

[Tankdriver]

Aug 29, 2022 0:58:42 GMT -5 seventeen said:

There’s a race going on in the NHL. It’s between the Hawks & Yotes as to which team can strip themselves so badly as to finish last. I sure hope neither gets that top pick, even if Montreal doesn’t either. They are so blatantly tanking, their first round picks should be stripped.

With the draft odds the way they are, there is no guarantee that you get 1. More often than not, the worst team hasn't picked first. This year was an anomaly. New Jersey and the Rangers seem to get all the luck moving up and Detroit seems to move down.

[NWTHabsFan]

I know a team that could use some young, puck moving RHD depth. A certain VP and Director of scouting would know a thing or two about the kid too, either thumbs up or down.

[folatre]

The Rangers are deep on the right side (Trouba, Fox, Schneider) and deep in general on the blueline. So I can see why New York and Lundkvist may not mind parting ways.

I would imagine Drury will get a large number of underwhelming offers. Maybe a team that projects to be good in 2022-23 will offer a second rounder. But more likely the offers will be a good but not great prospect.

Does Montreal's management like this kid? Well, it seems likely that Bobrov and Gorton did. And perhaps they still do. However, I am not sure what would be fair value? The Rangers would certainly not want (nor could they absorb the cap hit) any of the guys Montreal's management would love to dump. So it would have to be something like a pick and a prospect. I would do something like Norlinder and a fourth or fifth rounder for Lundkvist.

[NWTHabsFan]

NYR did better than I thought. Good for them.

[folatre]

Jim Nill has done a lot of dumb things (look at their over the hill vet contracts) over the years. Maybe they think Lundkvist is a serious missing piece for them. For me I think they overpaid considerably. Dallas is not a world beater. The smart odds have their team somewhere in the 12-18 range of the 2023 first round.

[Willie Dog]

Pk Subban retires... injuries and no contract offer made this decision easy... I guess he goes into broadcasting in the NHL network...

www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/p-k-subban-announces-retirement-after-13-nhl-seasons/

[jkr]

Smart of PK to get out now before a host of injuries force him out. He's only 33, has won a Norris and made a lot of money.

[seventeen]

Kind of interesting in a way. It all depends on how much $$ PK was willing to settle for. From a talent standpoint, he's probably better than 80% or more of the 3rd pair dmen out there. If you're talking $1MM or so, which is the range for a 3rd pair guy, I don't see why he isn't signed.

There are 2 possibilities that I can see. The first is that there are a lot of GM's who still feel his 'character' doesn't fit with their team, but are still prepared to give up a 2023 first round pick for an untried RHD who doesn't have much of a CV in North American pro hockey (yes that's sarcasm).

The other is that PK was being picky, namely wanting to sign with a decent contender, or wanting more than a 1 or 2 year term or wanting money that isn't appropriate for a 3rd pair guy (Vancouver couldn't use Subban at $1MM for 1 year)? Tied to that is that he may have a broadcasting career in mind and even if it doesn't pay more, it may have a longer shelf life if he is entertaining and popular.

Bottom line for me is that my passion for the Habs dropped a ton after he was traded. That passion returned after Bergie was fired, but my, what a waste of 5+ years.

[folatre]

I imagine Subban will enjoy retirement the same way he enjoyed playing NHL hockey for over a decade. As you guys say, he probably ends up on TNT or the NHL Network, though if he wanted to I believe he could have a media job in Canada. Subban is probably going to make a million USD a year talking on television and pitching products, so maybe the idea of trying to hang on being a depth d-man for the same kind of money was just not all that appealing.

[Boston_Habs]

Sept 20, 2022 12:00:09 GMT -5 seventeen said:

Bottom line for me is that my passion for the Habs dropped a ton after he was traded.

Me too. Like the air went out of the balloon. I think part of the reason was we had been a team on the rise with an exciting core (Price, Subban, Markov, Pacioretty, Gallager, Galchenyuk) that was missing that final piece to be a legit contender. We had those excellent seasons in 2014 and 2015 before the Price injury led to that lousy season in 2015-16 and gave Bergevin the casus belli to rid himself of the "problem" that was PK Subban.

Whichever side one stands on the Subban-Weber divide, it's not really debatable that the Habs regressed in the years after the trade - a cumulative win percentage of 55% in the 4 seasons leading up to the trade followed by a win percentage of 47% in the 5 seasons following the trade. Of course we may have regressed anyway even with Subban (likely given Bergevin's spotty decision making as GM) but the trade ultimately didn't make the Habs better, which made it all the more frustrating for the pro-PK fans. The only consolation was PK himself regressed, especially in the back half of his contract. 33 is still young by modern NHL standards but I think the combination of a wonky back, plenty of money in the bank, and opportunities for a career off the ice made it an easy decision to retire.

Leaving all that aside, Subban was fun to watch and had a ton of personality. One of my favorite Habs outside the glory years.

[Skilly]

The NHL lost Subban, Chara, and Yandle on the same day to retirement.

[Willie Dog]

Would have been a nice touch to bring pk back for a 1 day contract... retire a Hab.

[seventeen]

Sept 20, 2022 14:41:07 GMT -5 Skilly said:

The NHL lost Subban, Chara, and Yandle on the same day to retirement.

P.K. - Loved

Chara - Detested

Yandle - Who?

[Disgruntled70sHab]

[CentreHice]

Interesting take from Michel Therrien upon Subban's retirement. PK was the problem all along, apparently. Prior to being hired as head coach, Therrien already knew that the veterans were trying to "put PK in order". Therrien said he'd do the "dirty work" and "managed to get the best out of PK, down the line".

Down the line? Subban won the Norris in Therrien's first year.

Who had/has the ego problem, again?

Therrien Talks About His Relationship with PK

“When I arrived in Montreal, PK was on strike because of his contract. I knew how he was before. I knew that the veterans of the team were trying to put PK in order. I got the group of veterans together and I knew they were tough on PK. I told the guys I was going to take it personally. It was my responsibility as a coach and as a leader. I wanted to do the dirty work so they could focus on hockey. It was a bit of a controversial approach, but I managed to get the best out of PK down the line.”

[Willie Dog]

Sept 26, 2022 14:14:17 GMT -5 CentreHice said:

Interesting take from Michel Therrien upon Subban's retirement. PK was the problem all along, apparently. Prior to being hired as head coach, Therrien already knew that the veterans were trying to "put PK in order". Therrien said he'd do the "dirty work" and "managed to get the best out of PK, down the line".

Down the line? Subban won the Norris in Therrien's first year.

Who had/has the ego problem, again?

Therrien Talks About His Relationship with PK

“When I arrived in Montreal, PK was on strike because of his contract. I knew how he was before. I knew that the veterans of the team were trying to put PK in order. I got the group of veterans together and I knew they were tough on PK. I told the guys I was going to take it personally. It was my responsibility as a coach and as a leader. I wanted to do the dirty work so they could focus on hockey. It was a bit of a controversial approach, but I managed to get the best out of PK down the line.”

A baboon of a blowhard who spent all his time blaming PK while MTHead and MBHead pulled the wool over Molsons eyes... get tge best out of PK??? does getting the best out of a player include saying you have no comment on whether they should be on the Canadian Olympic team? He's a moron...

[seventeen]

Sept 26, 2022 14:52:46 GMT -5 Willie Dog said:

A baboon of a blowhard who spent all his time blaming PK while MTHead and MBHead pulled the wool over Molsons eyes... get tge best out of PK??? does getting the best out of a player include saying you have no comment on whether they should be on the Canadian Olympic team? He's a moron...

I label him as more of a narcissistic bully. Full of himself and constantly enjoying belittling others.

"So, Terry, player of the game, two goals, an assist and a fight. Excellent. And as a reward, you're not dressing tonight, just because I can." Terry Ryan exposed him in his book, with an accurate depiction of exactly what he was like. No wonder Therrien and Berg got along. Ahhhhh, Geoff, why could you not see that? You were blind for so long and only the Mailloux drafting finally lifted the fog. Or gave you the excuse you wanted, which is a debate for another day.

[CentreHice]

Just prior to being hired in 2012, Therrien had been working as an analyst on L'Antichambre for about a year, and had been critical of Subban...perhaps because he had the inside scoop on the veterans being "tough on PK".

You see, HE wasn't tough on Subban because he's a tyrant. He was simply playing "Dirty Cop Coach" to straighten out PK so the players could focus on hockey.

A "controversial approach" that led to getting the best out of PK down the line.


Thanks Michel.

Now, tell us how it helped veteran Briere when you told him, "No one in the room respects you. No one wants to play with you." Or how it boosted Briere's confidence when you deliberately omitted him from a shootout drill after he suggested he be used, considering his experience.

For the good of the team, of course.

[Willie Dog]

Sept 26, 2022 18:14:54 GMT -5 CentreHice said:

Just prior to being hired in 2012, Therrien had been working as an analyst on L'Antichambre for about a year, and had been critical of Subban...perhaps because he had the inside scoop on the veterans being "tough on PK".

You see, HE wasn't tough on Subban because he's a tyrant. He was simply playing "Dirty Cop Coach" to straighten out PK so the players could focus on hockey.

A "controversial approach" that led to getting the best out of PK down the line.


Thanks Michel.

Now, tell us how it helped veteran Briere when you told him, "No one in the room respects you. No one wants to play with you." Or how it boosted Briere's confidence when you deliberately omitted him from a shootout drill after he suggested he be used, considering his experience.

For the good of the team, of course.

What about criticizing patches as captain of a team his buddy built... way to build people up .. MTHead should be in a van down by the river

[folatre]

Therrien was such a zero in terms of man-management skills. What a surprise that he never got another gig.

[Tankdriver]

Sept 26, 2022 19:22:24 GMT -5 folatre said:

Therrien was such a zero in terms of man-management skills. What a surprise that he never got another gig.

He was an assistant for Vignault in Philly.