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Post by HFTO on Apr 9, 2007 11:13:26 GMT -5
Anybody have the info on the habs upcoming draft choices per round this year? Thx HFTO
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Post by habmeister on Apr 9, 2007 11:25:00 GMT -5
Anybody have the info on the habs upcoming draft choices per round this year? Thx HFTO you mean where they will be picking?
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Post by montreal on Apr 9, 2007 13:44:34 GMT -5
Here's how the draft could look for us depending on where the sharks finish and if any comp picks are handed out, since they only give out comp picks for teams that don't sign their 1st rounders, I assume not many comp picks will be handed out.
1st- 12th 1st- 23rd 2nd- 42nd 3rd- 64th (caps) 3rd- 72nd 5th- 132nd 5th- 142nd (stars) 6th- 162nd 7th- 192nd
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Post by HFTO on Apr 9, 2007 21:11:05 GMT -5
Yes thats what I was trying to say Thankyou very much montreal. HFTO
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Post by habmeister on Apr 10, 2007 1:45:05 GMT -5
Here's how the draft could look for us depending on where the sharks finish and if any comp picks are handed out, since they only give out comp picks for teams that don't sign their 1st rounders, I assume not many comp picks will be handed out. 1st- 12th 1st- 23rd 2nd- 42nd 3rd- 64th (caps) 3rd- 72nd 5th- 132nd 5th- 142nd (stars) 6th- 162nd 7th- 192nd the 23rd pick is from the sharks right? so if they go out 1st round then it doesn't change right?
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Post by roke on Apr 10, 2007 2:44:12 GMT -5
Here's how the draft could look for us depending on where the sharks finish and if any comp picks are handed out, since they only give out comp picks for teams that don't sign their 1st rounders, I assume not many comp picks will be handed out. 1st- 12th 1st- 23rd 2nd- 42nd 3rd- 64th (caps) 3rd- 72nd 5th- 132nd 5th- 142nd (stars) 6th- 162nd 7th- 192nd the 23rd pick is from the sharks right? so if they go out 1st round then it doesn't change right? The answer is... it depends. There are 2 ways it could change 1)The Sharks could make it to the Conference finals (in which case the pick would be 27 or 28) or the Stanley Cup finals (the pick would be 29 if they lost in the finals, 30 if they won). 2)Alternatively, if teams below the Sharks in the standings yet in the playoffs make it to the conference finals we would see that pick improve, provided the Sharks don't make it to the conference finals as well.
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Post by habmeister on Apr 10, 2007 12:07:51 GMT -5
ah i see, something to cheer for i guess. i hope they continue to draft from the whl, where in my opinion the playoff warrior leader types are grown.
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Post by Tankdriver on Apr 10, 2007 12:34:21 GMT -5
I don't know about the habs but I just read that Chicago got the first pick throught the lottery balls, pushing Philly down to #2. Trying to find a link to confirm though.
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Post by Tankdriver on Apr 10, 2007 12:48:39 GMT -5
Some more info that I found...still can't confirm:
1 Chicago Blackhawks 2 Philadelphia Flyers 3 Phoenix Coyotes 4 Los Angeles Kings 5 Washington Capitals 6 Edmonton Oilers 7 Columbus Blue Jackets 8 Boston Bruins 9 St. Louis Blues 10 Florida Panthers
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Post by habmeister on Apr 10, 2007 16:14:49 GMT -5
they're still in 12th, chicago won the lottery yes, everyone moves down one spot that was in front of them.
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Post by Skilly on Apr 10, 2007 18:21:52 GMT -5
2)Alternatively, if teams below the Sharks in the standings yet in the playoffs make it to the conference finals we would see that pick improve, provided the Sharks don't make it to the conference finals as well. As of right now, the Sharks have the 23rd pick. That can only improve in the first round. With the right combination of series victories the pick will rise slightly. Every team in the east, except Buffalo finished behind San Jose's 107 points. The absolute highest it can rise is 19th. And that is if Buffalo, Detroit and Anaheim lose (they'd get the 22nd, 21st, and 20th pick) If San Jose advances. Well we could pick anywhere from 25th onwards depending on who advances ... but remember the east only has Buffalo with more points. If San Jose lose and Buffalo, Detroit and Anaheim advance ... then the pick will be 22nd.
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Post by habmeister on Apr 11, 2007 0:44:54 GMT -5
i thought all draft seedings for the playoff teams stayed the same except for the semi finalists or finalists?
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Post by Skilly on Apr 11, 2007 6:45:27 GMT -5
i thought all draft seedings for the playoff teams stayed the same except for the semi finalists or finalists? Not anymore. The NHL adopted the rule change half way through this year, and it is effective starting with this draft. They are going now with the NBA model (surprise, surprise) ... but it is a better system in my opinion. Why should Cinderella be penalized, and why should #1 seeds that get eliminated be rewarded?
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Post by franko on Apr 11, 2007 8:57:50 GMT -5
Ah, but Cinderella is penalized. #15 seed gets to the finals and drafts #2. #1 is rewarded for ineptitude. If Buffalo is bounced inthe first round will they not draft 16 instead of 30?
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Post by Skilly on Apr 11, 2007 10:50:04 GMT -5
Ah, but Cinderella is penalized. #15 seed gets to the finals and drafts #2. #1 is rewarded for ineptitude. If Buffalo is bounced inthe first round will they not draft 16 instead of 30? not quite, but you get the idea. 8 teams will get eliminated in the first round, Buffalo would be ranked as the worst pick (of the eight eliminated) since they had the most regular season points. So the absolute best Buffalo could draft is 22nd.
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Post by habmeister on Apr 11, 2007 11:20:46 GMT -5
are you sure? i swore i read on the tsn.ca site when it came out that they said something like all teams would draft the same except that the finalists or semi finalists would move to the last 2 or 4 picks.
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Post by franko on Apr 11, 2007 11:52:34 GMT -5
Right, Skilly . . . in my haste I forgot that 7 other teams would be eliminated.
However, proves my point: the number 1 team improves in the draft by losing.
While I don't mind the bingo lottery for the bottom 5 teams (guaranteeing that no one tanks the season on purpose to get the #1 draft) the NHL winds up rewarding a good team during the season for crapping out in a 7 game series.
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Post by Skilly on Apr 11, 2007 20:56:55 GMT -5
Right, Skilly . . . in my haste I forgot that 7 other teams would be eliminated. However, proves my point: the number 1 team improves in the draft by losing. While I don't mind the bingo lottery for the bottom 5 teams (guaranteeing that no one tanks the season on purpose to get the #1 draft) the NHL winds up rewarding a good team during the season for crapping out in a 7 game series. Then they weren't that good in the first place. It's better than the alternative IMO .. penalizing the Cinderella and they missing the playoffs the next year (which has happened every year since 2001, except one I think)
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Post by Skilly on Apr 11, 2007 21:01:42 GMT -5
are you sure? i swore i read on the tsn.ca site when it came out that they said something like all teams would draft the same except that the finalists or semi finalists would move to the last 2 or 4 picks. I believe the way it used to be was the Cup Champion drafted last, but everyone else was based on their regular season finish. I am 99% sure that it is changed to the way I stated above, we even have a thread on it habsrus.proboards4.com/index.cgi?board=Aroundtheleague&action=display&n=1&thread=3429
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Post by habmeister on Apr 12, 2007 13:12:23 GMT -5
are you sure? i swore i read on the tsn.ca site when it came out that they said something like all teams would draft the same except that the finalists or semi finalists would move to the last 2 or 4 picks. I believe the way it used to be was the Cup Champion drafted last, but everyone else was based on their regular season finish. I am 99% sure that it is changed to the way I stated above, we even have a thread on it habsrus.proboards4.com/index.cgi?board=Aroundtheleague&action=display&n=1&thread=3429no the playoffs never had anything to do with the draft until this year.
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Post by BadCompany on Apr 13, 2007 11:31:31 GMT -5
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Post by seventeen on Apr 13, 2007 17:59:45 GMT -5
Biggest surprise for me is that we actually have a player on our team (for now) that a prospect is being compared to (John Blum/ Andrei Markov). Like how long has it been since that's happened?
Thanks BC, good info.
PS, I like the sounds of Blum.
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Post by Skilly on Apr 13, 2007 18:25:37 GMT -5
Biggest surprise for me is that we actually have a player on our team (for now) that a prospect is being compared to (John Blum/ Andrei Markov). Like how long has it been since that's happened? Thanks BC, good info. PS, I like the sounds of Blum. I also like the sound of Teddy "Babe" Ruth .... just don't call him Theodore (thats a jinx).
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Post by Anardil1 on Apr 13, 2007 19:34:21 GMT -5
Personally, if the Habs were to go with a d-man, Keaton Ellerby would be my choice. Now, I must admit that I haven't seen either play more than once or twice. I'd go with Ellerby simply he's a big mobile (very good skater apparently), defensive rock. Blum scares me a bit because he's small. If the Habs d-corps were on the whole bigger and meaner, then by all means grab Blum. For now, until O'Byrne shows some NHL readiness, I believe the team needs to improve it's size.
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Post by Skilly on Apr 13, 2007 22:22:36 GMT -5
Personally, if the Habs were to go with a d-man, Keaton Ellerby would be my choice. Now, I must admit that I haven't seen either play more than once or twice. I'd go with Ellerby simply he's a big mobile (very good skater apparently), defensive rock. Blum scares me a bit because he's small. If the Habs d-corps were on the whole bigger and meaner, then by all means grab Blum. For now, until O'Byrne shows some NHL readiness, I believe the team needs to improve it's size. I was going on the assumption that Ellerby would be gone before we draft.
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Post by seventeen on Apr 14, 2007 1:52:03 GMT -5
Personally, if the Habs were to go with a d-man, Keaton Ellerby would be my choice. Now, I must admit that I haven't seen either play more than once or twice. I'd go with Ellerby simply he's a big mobile (very good skater apparently), defensive rock. Blum scares me a bit because he's small. If the Habs d-corps were on the whole bigger and meaner, then by all means grab Blum. For now, until O'Byrne shows some NHL readiness, I believe the team needs to improve it's size. What size is Blum? Height, weight?
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Post by seventeen on Apr 14, 2007 1:53:13 GMT -5
I also like the sound of Teddy "Babe" Ruth .... just don't call him Theodore (thats a jinx). Teddy? It was George Herman, n'est ce pas?
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Post by franko on Apr 14, 2007 7:44:32 GMT -5
Oui.
Teddy Roosevelt.
Personally, I prefer . . . well, it's against the COC to post . . .
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Post by Skilly on Apr 14, 2007 12:41:42 GMT -5
I also like the sound of Teddy "Babe" Ruth .... just don't call him Theodore (thats a jinx). Teddy? It was George Herman, n'est ce pas? Oui. Teddy Roosevelt. Personally, I prefer . . . well, it's against the COC to post . . . Ohhh you two ... did you check the link? One of the available defensemen for the draft is Teddy Ruth , who will obviously with his size, work ethic and character, earn the nickname "Babe" (especially from me if he lands in Montreal). The Theodore reference was because Teddy is short for Theodore and we had Jose Theodore, who collapsed under the pressure, and did not have the character traits that this young kid is said to possess ... so dont call him Theodore. 14. Teddy Ruth (U.S. under-18, NAHL) Teddy Ruth is another product of Ron Rolston's under-18 program. Although his offensive output is never going to be very high, Ruth's character is off the charts. Ruth possesses all of the necessary skills to become an NHL defenseman, but we believe his work ethic and leadership are what will guarantee his success in the NHL. NHL comparable: Adam Foote, Columbus Blue Jackets
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Post by habmeister on Apr 14, 2007 16:15:50 GMT -5
Personally, if the Habs were to go with a d-man, Keaton Ellerby would be my choice. Now, I must admit that I haven't seen either play more than once or twice. I'd go with Ellerby simply he's a big mobile (very good skater apparently), defensive rock. Blum scares me a bit because he's small. If the Habs d-corps were on the whole bigger and meaner, then by all means grab Blum. For now, until O'Byrne shows some NHL readiness, I believe the team needs to improve it's size. What size is Blum? Height, weight? blum is about 6' 175 lbs. i've seen him play 50+ games for the giants live. he's really coming into his own in the playoffs along with spencer macachek. i saw ellerby play 2-3 times this season, he's done most of his growing already (height wise) and is also very good, more of a big body type whereas blum has probably more upside and is more risky. there is also a kid name hickey that plays D for seattle that is also a very good player. i'd personally take ellerby, then blum then hickey. ISS currently has them rated: rating player Apr Oct Ellerby #9 #14 whl.ca/stats/player.php?id=24135Blum #16 #23 whl.ca/stats/player.php?id=24429Hickey #17 #13 whl.ca/stats/player.php?id=24325as you can hickey was rated above ellerby and blum in october, but now both ellerby and blum have moved up, and i expect blum to keep moving up if he keeps playing the way he has in the playoffs for the giants. i would almost say that he's their best d-man in the playoffs, ahead of franson, mikkelson and thelen all highly rated D prospects. all three well within reach of our pick. who knows, we drafted i believe 3 players from the dub last year, could go again as our whl scout did a good job with white and maxwell. sleeper pick could be spencer machachek in the 2nd round.
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