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Post by BadCompany on Jun 5, 2007 11:33:52 GMT -5
devil's advocate might say that it shows we have good depth when we have players not good enough for our team that can fill out weaker teams rosters. Devil's devil's advocate would say that Asham, Beauchemin, Robidas, Hossa, and Ward all played for teams that finished ahead of us in the standings...
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Post by habmeister on Jun 5, 2007 11:43:18 GMT -5
devil's advocate might say that it shows we have good depth when we have players not good enough for our team that can fill out weaker teams rosters. Devil's devil's advocate would say that Asham, Beauchemin, Robidas, Hossa, and Ward all played for teams that finished ahead of us in the standings... i agree that beauchemin and robidas are badly needed. but who on our roster would you trade for hossa or ward? asham is a gritty guy, would you take begin out of our lineup and insert him?
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Post by BadCompany on Jun 5, 2007 11:55:56 GMT -5
Devil's devil's advocate would say that Asham, Beauchemin, Robidas, Hossa, and Ward all played for teams that finished ahead of us in the standings... i agree that beauchemin and robidas are badly needed. but who on our roster would you trade for hossa or ward? asham is a gritty guy, would you take begin out of our lineup and insert him? Garth Murray and Aaron Downey spring immediately to mind. As do Pierre Dagenais (who we kept over Hossa), and Mark Streit (who surprised me with his ability to play forward, but even still). I won't get into Samsonov or even Perezhoghin. I'd probably take Asham and Ward over Mike Johnson, simply for the cost savings. On defense, not only would I have taken Beauchemin and Robidas, but bang for the buck, I'd take Hainsey too, over Bouillon and/or Dandenault. Not much drop-off in play, if any, and for over a million bucks less. Point is, we have all these guys who we deem not good enough for OUR team, and yet other teams, playoff teams, better teams, somehow find uses for them?? Where is the logic in that?? As many have said, Josh Gorges was capable of playing 18+ minutes a night for a team that finished with 107 points, but he wasn't good enough to crack our lineup?? Our non-playoff lineup?? I don't get it.
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Post by Skilly on Jun 5, 2007 12:43:15 GMT -5
I didn't count Robidas in my list because we never lost him while he was bouncing up and down in the minors. We lost him to the Waiver Draft to the Thrashers, who subsequently turned around and traded him. So I guess I should have indluded him based on a) he wasn't protected and b) another team managed to turn him into something (a 6th round pick) and we couldn't
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Post by Boston_Habs on Jun 5, 2007 13:47:56 GMT -5
I'll add this one to the list: Brett Motherwell, D, Boston College He inexplicably went undrafted last year but this kid is a stud and defensive leader for a very good BC team that went all the way to the NCAA championship game. I love his game - good skater, decisive with the puck, moves it well, and a good shot. He's a bit undersized at 5-11, 190 lbs but I really like NCAA college kids who play big at big time programs. Here's his dated profile from HF: hockeysfuture.com/prospect/brett_motherwell
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Post by chief6 on Jun 5, 2007 14:02:11 GMT -5
I'd probably take Asham and Ward over Mike Johnson, simply for the cost savings. I'd have to disagree with this one. Aaron Asham maybe, but Jason Ward had fewer points, was minus-15 in the regular season (with two playoff teams), and mustered just one assist to go with a minus-6 seeing ice time on Tampa Bay's second line in the playoffs. I'm the first to say stats aren't the whole story, but they certainly illustrate that the Habs did no wrong in letting Ward fall through the cracks. And the guy used the be the captain in Hamilton. I love him for that. But he's barely a fourth-line NHLer. On the flip side, of the Habs games I saw this year (admittedly, only 55 or so), Mike Johnson was one of the most consistent players on this team. During all the Aebischer, Kovalev and Samsonov messes, Johnson kept plugging away. I know I'm in the minority here, but I liked him a lot this past season and would love to see him back. As for draft stuff, TSN's draft combine diary was pretty much a waste of time. Sorry for linking that.
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Post by jkr on Jun 5, 2007 14:36:59 GMT -5
I'd probably take Asham and Ward over Mike Johnson, simply for the cost savings. I'd have to disagree with this one. Aaron Asham maybe, but Jason Ward had fewer points, was minus-15 in the regular season (with two playoff teams), and mustered just one assist to go with a minus-6 seeing ice time on Tampa Bay's second line in the playoffs. I'm the first to say stats aren't the whole story, but they certainly illustrate that the Habs did no wrong in letting Ward fall through the cracks. And the guy used the be the captain in Hamilton. I love him for that. But he's barely a fourth-line NHLer. On the flip side, of the Habs games I saw this year (admittedly, only 55 or so), Mike Johnson was one of the most consistent players on this team. During all the Aebischer, Kovalev and Samsonov messes, Johnson kept plugging away. I know I'm in the minority here, but I liked him a lot this past season and would love to see him back. As for draft stuff, TSN's draft combine diary was pretty much a waste of time. Sorry for linking that. Agree with you about Jason Ward. When someone is expendable enough to play for 3 teams in one season (NY, LA & Tampa) I think it says a lot. The guy is a spare part. He was a UFA that chose to sign in New York rather than stay in Montreal. That was his decision.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jun 6, 2007 12:10:43 GMT -5
How is that for a teaser? ...the anxious crowd awaits ..well...? ...***taps at his watch****......what's taking so long.... ***stomps his feet*** ...are you waisting time again with unimportant things like.... work ... ***frown eyebrows***...I got a full load of anxious HABS fans just waiting to receive this mock draft that I will plagiarize and call my own... you wouldn't want me to lose credibility now would you... come on, get to it MacFly....
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Post by BadCompany on Jun 6, 2007 13:25:02 GMT -5
Sorry Doc… we ain’t getting Angelo…
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Post by montreal on Jun 16, 2007 0:10:05 GMT -5
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Post by seventeen on Jun 16, 2007 0:45:00 GMT -5
I don't know about Ryan McDonagh. You have to wonder about the mental state of a guy who wears a uni with "Cretin" stamped across the front. Hey, I wasn't born yesterday.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 16, 2007 1:21:06 GMT -5
I don't know about Ryan McDonagh. You have to wonder about the mental state of a guy who wears a uni with "Cretin" stamped across the front. Hey, I wasn't born yesterday. The Minnesota Mr Hockey tag tends to mean a lot come draft day. He also made the U-18 team out of high school, which is often tough to do with the core of that team playing together all year in the US U-18 program. The top offensive defenders this draft seem to be all undersized in one way or another. Ryan seems to a nice mix of it all. Lars Eller is intriguing me more and more. All the reports show great skill, decent size and he has been very successful in the Swedish junior league and at the WJC Division 1 playing for Denmark. He has a very similar path as Anze Kopitar, having success in Swedish junior without getting the heavily scouted U-18 showcase as part of the top hockey nations. Almost all of the other potential guys at #12 seem to have one or more gaps in their total package or some big question mark. Sweatt's speed is great, likely the best in the draft class from what scouts are saying. He was good in the juniors, but the knock is his ability to finish at the pro levels. Anyway, he would be a great pick at #22 and a bit of a gamble at #12 given those likely to be around. The draft has a few more wildcards, that Timmins and Co will have to factor in. The Russian factor and the transfer agreement make picks like Cherapanov and Mayorov a bit sketchy. Cherapanov also has that consistency label that tends to worry GM's with high picks. Mayorov battled injury and has likely had more limited viewing, but seems to be a decent pick in the middle of the first if not for that transfer agreement X factor. Espo is the local boy who has dropped like a rock, Couture and others suffered from injuries that have affected their stock as well. Sounds a lot like the Chipchura situation where good scouting still found their man. Anyway, one more week, it should be a fun day and a half with five picks in the top 73. Given Timmins' track record, don't count those late round picks out either.
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Post by montreal on Jun 16, 2007 11:19:52 GMT -5
I don't know about Ryan McDonagh. You have to wonder about the mental state of a guy who wears a uni with "Cretin" stamped across the front. Hey, I wasn't born yesterday. I've watched McDonagh play a couple times in the USHS, he played for CDH one of the top teams in Minnesota. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up being the best defesnemen from this draft cause he's got an interesting mix of skills and physical abilities, plus I've heard that Timmins really likes him.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 16, 2007 13:04:41 GMT -5
I don't know about Ryan McDonagh. You have to wonder about the mental state of a guy who wears a uni with "Cretin" stamped across the front. Hey, I wasn't born yesterday. I've watched McDonagh play a couple times in the USHS, he played for CDH one of the top teams in Minnesota. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up being the best defesnemen from this draft cause he's got an interesting mix of skills and physical abilities, plus I've heard that Timmins really likes him. After Alzner, probably the best overall package methinks. Alzner has the age and higher level of hockey advantage too. Our scouts pay close attention to Minnesota HS hockey, and for good reasons too.
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Post by seventeen on Jun 16, 2007 15:10:17 GMT -5
No aspersions toward McDonagh, really. I was making fun (in a totally politically incorrect way, of his uniform). His package does sound like a decent gamble, especially in this type of draft, where question marks abound.
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