Ukraine

[Cranky]

This guy is the smartest guy i met in twitter. It's like looking in a mirror...

[Cranky]

Mar 29, 2022 8:26:21 GMT -5 Polarice said:

Was hanging with some friends last night, most retired military, and of course we started discussing this Russian/Ukraine war and how the Russians were getting their butts handed to them. Then one of the guys spoke up and said that he heard that all these Russian losses and deaths we somewhat manufactured by the Russians.

In other words they (the Russians) are spreading fake news about how Ukraine are fighting hard and winning battles causing major Russian loses. We of course called him out on it asking why would they do that, and he said that if the West thinks the the Ukraine is holding their own, that they won't feel that they have to supply as much aid.

Now I still call BS...I can't see Putin and his ego let the West think he is loosing a war against a puny country like the Ukraine....but who knows.

Nope, they are not manufactured...and the reasons why.

1....the US is supplying intelligence on EVERYTHING the Russians are doing. Probable resolution down to the colour of the arm bands. I wouldn't be surprised if they are outlining the war strategy and recommending maneuvers on the field level. If the Russians were lying, the Americans would immediate expose it.

2...Russian propaganda/misinformation is one childish level deeper. Just ONE. Nothing more. Take for example this "peace talks" and Russia announced that they will withdraw back their forces in Kiev in the interest of peace and good conduct. BULLCRAP. They are currently getting surrounded by the Ukrainians and this is a way of not getting slaughtered. If the Ukrainians do slaughter them now, the Russians are going to get enormous propaganda value our of it...and launch even more murder. It's a smart move by the Russians but just about the half eaten lollipop level as to the strategy behind that.

3...you are right in that Putin will NEVER put out that they are losing. Absolutely no logic to that. Besides, when we talked over the long distance stringed cans, he said he had a really strong aversion to rope and lamp posts.

Russian propaganda is very easy to analyze and detect. Childish level. BUT to do that, one has to have a bigger picture of what is going on. Certainly not going to get a bigger picture from the CBC/CTV or normal media. The media is in the business of eyeball collecting and nothing more.

Your buddy is wrong. He must buy all the round for everybody for the duration of this invasion.....

[Cranky]

Mar 29, 2022 8:45:07 GMT -5 Disgruntled70sHab said:

Mar 29, 2022 8:26:21 GMT -5 Polarice said:

Was hanging with some friends last night, most retired military, and of course we started discussing this Russian/Ukraine war and how the Russians were getting their butts handed to them. Then one of the guys spoke up and said that he heard that all these Russian losses and deaths we somewhat manufactured by the Russians.

In other words they (the Russians) are spreading fake news about how Ukraine are fighting hard and winning battles causing major Russian loses. We of course called him out on it asking why would they do that, and he said that if the West thinks the the Ukraine is holding their own, that they won't feel that they have to supply as much aid.

Now I still call BS...I can't see Putin and his ego let the West think he is loosing a war against a puny country like the Ukraine....but who knows.

... from the Ukrainian perspective ...

BINGO!

More then that, the Russian Kiev forces are getting surrounded and it's going to be a turkey shoot.

It's getting very clear what this is about. The utter destruction of Mariople is to create a land bridge to Crimea. They will withdraw from the north, extend the "borders" on the far east and land bridge Crimea. Then they will sue for peace and declare victory.

Sadly the rest of the world will see that as a minor loss, urge Ukraine to accept and move on to the real issues in our society.....Kardasians.

[Cranky]

Two people I'm following...and if you are interested in this kind of thing.



mobile.twitter.com/SpencerGuard

Recently retired Makor General from Australian Army and know about thebF-35. Trying to engage and learn inside info on F-35. Hope he opens up.

mobile.twitter.com/WarintheFuture

www.smh.com.au/world/europe/ukraine-s-defence-strategy-is-masterful-and-may-yet-deliver-a-victory-20220328-p5a8qf.html

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[Tankdriver]

What I have been thinking and expecting to happen looks to be coming true. Basically securing those 2 breakaway disputed provinces and getting a land bridge to Crimea through Maripul.

There still is that tiny stretch in the Baltics to link up to that other land mass that I am sure Putin would love to get at.

[Cranky]

I cracked up when I read this.

Nope, now is the time to triple up the support.

Put your hand up if you want to see a Ukrainian flag in Moscow?

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[Cranky]

Mar 29, 2022 23:15:12 GMT -5 Tankdriver said:

What I have been thinking and expecting to happen looks to be coming true. Basically securing those 2 breakaway disputed provinces and getting a land bridge to Crimea through Maripul.

There still is that tiny stretch in the Baltics to link up to that other land mass that I am sure Putin would love to get at.

Yup, Plan D...and the bs filled western politicians will nod that this is acceptable. Particularly the Germans who are more interested in "peace dividen" meaning doing nothing and keeping the gas flowing.

[Polarice]

Mar 29, 2022 17:04:21 GMT -5 Cranky said:

Mar 29, 2022 8:26:21 GMT -5 Polarice said:

Was hanging with some friends last night, most retired military, and of course we started discussing this Russian/Ukraine war and how the Russians were getting their butts handed to them. Then one of the guys spoke up and said that he heard that all these Russian losses and deaths we somewhat manufactured by the Russians.

In other words they (the Russians) are spreading fake news about how Ukraine are fighting hard and winning battles causing major Russian loses. We of course called him out on it asking why would they do that, and he said that if the West thinks the the Ukraine is holding their own, that they won't feel that they have to supply as much aid.

Now I still call BS...I can't see Putin and his ego let the West think he is loosing a war against a puny country like the Ukraine....but who knows.

Your buddy is wrong. He must buy all the round for everybody for the duration of this invasion.....

LOL.....He's a cheap SOB....however he puts on good BBQ's so we'll let it pass.

[Cranky]

Let me guess...the ruble is back to it's pre-war level.

After the first week, it was clear the sanctions were utter bullcrap and the only reason they were even there was to keep feeding the slow thinking, mouth gapping western masses propaganda lollipoops that the mighty west was united and doing something. No such thing. First off, right from the start, Germany had no interest whatsoever to trade their precious industries for meaningful sanctions. They agreed to some slap on the wrist with SWIFT, but made sure there were bank channels to funnel Euros to Russia, then filibustered any and all further sanctions to their economic buddy Puta.

Meanwhile, our hero Prime Minister Singh Trudeau banned Russian oil and imports, which amount to a rounding error and of course, the comically economic back breaking sanctions against the shoes of Russian officials/Oil'legarchs. Most of them can't even find Canada on a map, but hey, we took away one of their old shoe. It did look pretty when he announced them tho....

You know who is REALLY paying the price of sanctions? YOU ARE. WE ARE. Not Russia, not the rich, certainly not the politicians, WE ARE. Just look at your gas bill. And EVERYTHING going up...up.....up.

Russia's ruble rebound raises questions of sanctions' impact

WASHINGTON - The ruble is no longer rubble.
The Russian ruble by Wednesday had bounced back from the fall it took after the U.S. and European allies moved to bury the Russian economy under thousands of new sanctions over its invasion of Ukraine. Russian President Vladimir Putin has resorted to extreme financial measures to blunt the West's penalties and inflate his currency.

While the West has imposed unprecedented levels of sanctions against the Russian economy, Russia's Central Bank has jacked up interest rates to 20per cent and the Kremlin has imposed strict capital controls on those wishing to exchange their rubles for dollars or euros.

It's a monetary defense Putin may not be able to sustain as long-term sanctions weigh down the Russian economy. But the ruble's recovery could be a sign that the sanctions in their current form are not working as powerfully as Ukraine's allies counted on when it comes to pressuring Putin to pull his troops from Ukraine. It also could be a sign that Russia's efforts to artificially prop up its currency are working by leveraging its oil and gas sector.

More.....

www.ctvnews.ca/business/russia-s-ruble-rebound-raises-questions-of-sanctions-impact-1.5841554

Our media can keep shoveling propaganda about our hero actions.....but here is stark reality....



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EDIT.....One of the weirdest things of all is that I find more somber articles from clearly left or far left media then I find from the right. In this case on sanctions but also about Bidens mouth tosses, which is even more interesting because the same media would normally look at his bowel movement if they could find something to scream Bidens name in glory.

This is from the New Yorker....and a blunt look at sanctions...good read.

www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/why-sanctions-too-often-fail

[Cranky]

Let's be perfectly clear, this isn't a game that our politicians can play and we're dealing with what is nothing less then Hitler V2.

I argued years ago in here, in this section, that the only deterrence quarantee to this level of crazy is to be able to respond in kind. The nuke kind. Which is a trillion miles from our sensitive feelings. Puta is not. The laughably false pillow we sleep on is that the US will put New York on the line for Nanuvut. They won't and we won't find out until we get the Swedish treatment.

Two Russian fighter jets that violated Swedish airspace earlier this month 'were equipped with NUKES with the aim of scaring Stockholm' after Putin had threatened military action if Sweden or Finland joined NATO

-Four planes had taken off from Kaliningrad in Russia before flying over Sweden
-The jets violated the country's airspace over the island of Gotland on March 2
-Two of the aircraft - Sukhoi 24 attack planes - are now said to have carried nukes

Two Russian planes that violated Swedish airspace earlier this month were equipped with nuclear weapons, it has emerged.

The flyover near the island of Gotland on March 2 was a deliberate act designed to intimidate Sweden, according to Swedish news channel TV4 Nyheterna.

A total of four planes had taken off from the Russian air base of Kaliningrad.

They consisted of two Sukhoi 24 attack planes, which were escorted by two Sukhoi 27 fighter jets.

It was the two attack planes which were, according to TV4 Nyheter sources, equipped with nuclear weapons.

The violation of Swedish territory lasted for about a minute.

The country's air force deployed two JAS 39 Gripen which took pictures of the intruders.

It was then, say Swedish media, that it was confirmed the Russian planes were equipped with nuclear warheads.

'This is a signal to Sweden that we have nuclear weapons and we could also consider using them,' military strategic expert Stefan Ring told TV4 Nyheter.

'We assess it as a conscious action. Which is very serious especially as [Russia] is a warring country,' added Air Force Chief Carl-Johan Edström.


More....

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10668961/Russian-fighter-jets-violated-Swedish-airspace-earlier-month-equipped-NUKES.html

[Polarice]

Mar 30, 2022 23:15:32 GMT -5 Cranky said:

Let's be perfectly clear, this isn't a game that our politicians can play and we're dealing with what is nothing less then Hitler V2.

I argued years ago in here, in this section, that the only deterrence quarantee to this level of crazy is to be able to respond in kind. The nuke kind. Which is a trillion miles from our sensitive feelings. Puta is not. The laughably false pillow we sleep on is that the US will put New York on the line for Nanuvut. They won't and we won't find out until we get the Swedish treatment.

I have no doubt that if backed into a corner that he'd use nukes.  I'm sure they have ones small enough just to take out a city without doing too much damage to the surrounding areas just to make a point.  

Go ahead....poke a stick at the homeless crazy dog, but be prepared to get bit!!

[Cranky]

Mar 31, 2022 6:55:09 GMT -5 Polarice said:

Mar 30, 2022 23:15:32 GMT -5 Cranky said:

Let's be perfectly clear, this isn't a game that our politicians can play and we're dealing with what is nothing less then Hitler V2.

I argued years ago in here, in this section, that the only deterrence quarantee to this level of crazy is to be able to respond in kind. The nuke kind. Which is a trillion miles from our sensitive feelings. Puta is not. The laughably false pillow we sleep on is that the US will put New York on the line for Nanuvut. They won't and we won't find out until we get the Swedish treatment.

I have no doubt that if backed into a corner that he'd use nukes.  I'm sure they have ones small enough just to take out a city without doing too much damage to the surrounding areas just to make a point.  

Go ahead....poke a stick at the homeless crazy dog, but be prepared to get bit!!

I don't doubt for a second that Puta will use nukes...if backed into a corner.

That is not my argument. My argument is that he will rattle our cage over the north with impunity (and laughter) unless WE have nukes. He's did it to Sweden just weeks ago. And Sweden is far more ready for conflict then our pitiful military preparedness.

And the second argument that if we get threatened, the US will cover us under their nuclear umbrella. That is simply a joke if anyone really believes that the US will risk their cities for others.

Japan is asking themselves this question right now and not happy with the conclusion they are coming up with.

Of course i don't want nuclear proliferation, but can anyone sanely argue that if Ukraine kept their 1700 nukes, Puta would be invading? Of course not. Mariople for Moscow? Even Puta is not that crazy....and bullies are never crazy. We just want to believe they are crazy because we don't understand or want to understand their motivation or course of action, so "crazy" is a way to make sense of it.

[Polarice]

Mar 31, 2022 16:02:59 GMT -5 Cranky said:

Mar 31, 2022 6:55:09 GMT -5 Polarice said:

I have no doubt that if backed into a corner that he'd use nukes.  I'm sure they have ones small enough just to take out a city without doing too much damage to the surrounding areas just to make a point.  

Go ahead....poke a stick at the homeless crazy dog, but be prepared to get bit!!

I don't doubt for a second that Puta will use nukes...if backed into a corner.

That is not my argument. My argument is that he will rattle our cage over the north with impunity (and laughter) unless WE have nukes. He's did it to Sweden just weeks ago. And Sweden is far more ready for conflict then our pitiful military preparedness.

And the second argument that if we get threatened, the US will cover us under their nuclear umbrella. That is simply a joke if anyone really believes that the US will risk their cities for others.

Japan is asking themselves this question right now and not happy with the conclusion they are coming up with.

Of course i don't want nuclear proliferation, but can anyone sanely argue that if Ukraine kept their 1700 nukes, Puta would be invading? Of course not. Mariople for Moscow? Even Puta is not that crazy....and bullies are never crazy. We just want to believe they are crazy because we don't understand or want to understand their motivation or course of action, so "crazy" is a way to make sense of it.

The only country or nation that has officially offered us protection is Great Britain. I believe at one time during the cold war they had subs and ships in our north armed with nukes every now and again. The only way the US would offer protection is if it prevented an attack on themselves ie. Alaska.

[Willie Dog]

According to CNN and others, the Russians are saying Ukrainian helicopters attacked a fuel storage depot in Belogrod, if so, are the Russians that arrogant that they don't setup any early warning systems and that the Ukrainian military can fly 35 kilometers into Russian airspace undetected? Were they flying capturesd Russian helicopters??? Were they stealth?? WTF.

If this is the case, then NATO would wipe the floor with the Russian military...

The Russian military reminds of Saddam's military in the Gulf war, everything was controlled centrally and the first thing hit was communications and that left units not knowing what to do, they maintained their positions and got blown to bits. This is sort of what I am seeing in Ukraine. The folks on this board with military experience can probably explain this better than I can.

[Cranky]

Apr 1, 2022 9:24:52 GMT -5 Willie Dog said:

According to CNN and others, the Russians are saying Ukrainian helicopters attacked a fuel storage depot in Belogrod, if so, are the Russians that arrogant that they don't setup any early warning systems and that the Ukrainian military can fly 35 kilometers into Russian airspace undetected? Were they flying capturesd Russian helicopters??? Were they stealth?? WTF.

If this is the case, then NATO would wipe the floor with the Russian military...

No, they were not stealth. The Russians are so arrogant that they think they can't be touched.

Frankly, they are lucky they have Biden the Too Elder and Semi Senile to deal with otherwise their entire gas/oil infrastructure would be smoking ruins. President Cranky the Nasty would have cheap little domestic drones with 1 pound charges going off in every refinery, natural gas pumping station and oil depot in Russia. The entire country would be in crisis because the only fuel left would be vodka....

The same time....."Oh my God, domestic terrorist are destroying poor Russians. Can I help?"

I already have those marked in my Google Earth files in case I do become president.....(yes, they are that easy to find. In fact, one evening I was bored and picked out the entire Greek transmission grid, tower by tower. Literally EVERY tower. Also got a much better idea of Greek terrain throughout the country. I wanted to see where the wind turbines were connected and with google earth, just follow the lines. Same thing for Russian pipelines and energy infrastructure if one wanted too.)

Apr 1, 2022 9:24:52 GMT -5 Willie Dog said:

The Russian military reminds of Saddam's military in the Gulf war, everything was controlled centrally and the first thing hit was communications and that left units not knowing what to do, they maintained their positions and got blown to bits. This is sort of what I am seeing in Ukraine. The folks on this board with military experience can probably explain this better than I can.

Ummm....they looked like a joke right from the outset in how they chose the "too many fronts and not enough supplies". Note the date.

Mar 2, 2022 13:45:32 GMT -5 Cranky said:

BTW, just for the record, the Russian army has showed it's hand and it is NOT up to the west level. Think Desert Storm and this looks like a better version, better equipped Iraqi army. Not much more.

The mass propaganda media is NOT a good source of info. If you want instant and live updates minutes from when it happened, go to twitter. Yes, twitter is the playground of white triggered progressives whining 24/7 to give meaning to their lives, but in THIS case, about the war, it's good info.

I'm easy to find on twitter, check out who I'm following, which are generals and Ukrainian military sites. If you do, let me know otherwise I will reject and block you.

[Cranky]

OH MY GOD.....

I have a twitter video that I want to post but it's so gory I can't. Citizens laying on the street and by now, decaying.

OH MY F GOD! I don't think that I can ever forgive Russians for doing this.

HER VIDEOS SHOW DEAD PEOPLE IN THE STREETS

Her name is Viktoriia@ViktoriiaUAH on twitter. If you ggoge the name you will get the twitter feed. I CAN'T WARN YOU ENOUGH ON WHAT YOU WILL SEE.

Right now I'm soo angry....and helpless. This is now Nazi level bad.

[Cranky]

If ANYONE thought that we can't get Hitler and NAZI Germany reboot, think again.

I wasn't being dramatic when I said that this is 1938....

The public’s endorsement of the war lacks the patriotic groundswell that greeted the annexation of Crimea in 2014. But polls released this week by Russia’s most respected independent pollster, Levada, showed Mr. Putin’s approval rating hitting 83 percent, up from 69 percent in January. Eighty-one percent said they supported the war, describing the need to protect Russian speakers as its primary justification.

More

www.nytimes.com/2022/04/01/world/europe/russia-putin-support-ukraine.html

[Cranky]

An interesting discussion with a high ranking military man on the side from twitter....

Dear xxxxxx

First, thank you for your service.

While I never served, my family and my wife's family has sacrificed greatly for our freedoms, so I have enormous respect for those who selflessly serve to protect us.

I read your articles and find them fascinating but I have a question. With all due respect, are these military tactics still relevant in 2022?

As I tweeted a few times, drones are here and this is such a change that it compares to having a long bow 5 years ago and now an M-16, at a development pace that is a thousand times faster then those two in our military history.

The off the shelf commercial drones already have multiple uses in battlefield reconnaissance and/or munitions delivery. They have directed or independence quidance and are so easy to use, 10 year olds learn how to use them in minutes. This is without any intended military development whatsoever.

With military development, products like the Switchblade 300 and 600 is already produced and deals with infantry or armor with minimal human guidance.

All of the above needs some human intervention but frankly, that's because we simply haven't written the program to centrally control them through a modest desktop computer. How many weeks will that take?

So I wonder, are we still debating armor, infantry and artillery deployment and usage when ALL of that faces an onslaught of cheap and deadly swarms of low cost drones?

As I tweeted previously, how many minutes would it take for 5000 drones to destroy a 50 mile billion dollar Russian column of armour, APCs, artillery and supply vehicles?

This is where perhaps we see different worlds. You see it in military armaments and it's use, as an engineer and manufacturer, I see it as a technical problem that I need to develop 3 or 4 products to deal with problem variances and battlefield environent issues, then mass manufacture it at the cheapest cost. Cheap plastics, munitions and silicone chips......

How sad is it that human life is reduced to "developing products" to kill us but then, what we are we seeing now in nothing less then war criminality and genocide. While drones can be offensive, their defensive use would prevent the above.

I would be honored and humbled to hear your opinion on this matter and the future of warfare.

Regards

XXXXXX

I'm waiting to hear back from him....

[Cranky]

[Willie Dog]

Apr 2, 2022 3:05:36 GMT -5 Cranky said:

I saw all of those videos before, the switchblade was impressive in its low cost and easy of use

[Willie Dog]

The Starstreak UK missile is now in Ukraine.. short range missile that can reach up to mach 4... try out running that

[Cranky]

Apr 2, 2022 8:39:02 GMT -5 Willie Dog said:

The Starstreak UK missile is now in Ukraine.. short range missile that can reach up to mach 4... try out running that

Speed kills. If the Russian Genocide Machine has time, it can take countermeasures like dropping flares and electronic countermeasures. BUT...if it has only a few seconds, it's done.

At the end of WW2 they developed rapid fire canons that were radar controlled and very accurate. It's now come full circle where we are back to those because there is no way to stop canon shells exploding next to planes and of course, the accuracy and speed of the controls is at another level with modern computers. Plus they now can separate the radar acquisition to three or four separate units where the actual tracked vehicle with the canon are separate from the radar.

Amazing how well humans can adapt to killing. Eventually to be taken over by Skynet.

[Cranky]

The huge amount of videos and photos surfacing on twitter of Ukrainians executed with their hands tied behind their backs is hard to take.

This is genocide. This is Russian turning into the new and improved Nazi's.

1938.....

(I wont link twitter feeds. Just too inhumane to look at.)

[jkr]

Agreed. We've seen apartment buildings and hospitals bombed and I don't believe for a second that they are just collateral damage. I just great a story today about a Ukranian photographer found dead by small arms fire just days after his picture depicting the devastation of Kyiv appeared on the cover of Der Spiegel.

It's just indiscriminate killing to terrorize people. Now there are reports that Russians are mining their way out of Kiev.

I hope what Putin is creating is a generation of Ukrainians that will make it their life's work to exact revenge on everything Russian.

[jkr]

Apr 2, 2022 16:28:08 GMT -5 Cranky said:

The huge amount of videos and photos surfacing on twitter of Ukrainians executed with their hands tied behind their backs is hard to take.

This is genocide. This is Russian turning into the new and improved Nazi's.

1938.....

(I wont link twitter feeds. Just too inhumane to look at.)

OMG Cranky. I was on a small news site and came across these photos unecpectedly. If this isn't crossing a line then nothing is.

[Cranky]

Apr 2, 2022 18:43:41 GMT -5 jkr said:

Apr 2, 2022 16:28:08 GMT -5 Cranky said:

The huge amount of videos and photos surfacing on twitter of Ukrainians executed with their hands tied behind their backs is hard to take.

This is genocide. This is Russian turning into the new and improved Nazi's.

1938.....

(I wont link twitter feeds. Just too inhumane to look at.)

OMG Cranky. I was on a small news site and came across these photos unecpectedly. If this isn't crossing a line then nothing is.

On twitter, I wrote about my father seeing the exact same thing 77 years ago that our eyes see now, in village after village and he became judge, jury and executioner snipping the retreating NAZIs. As many as he could until he ran out of ammo. Then took their rifles and used them. He got visibly angry talking about it, even seven decades later.

I thought that I would be booted out of twitter for writing that, instead I'm getting hundreds of likes.

Russians leaped over the genocide line and now we have another 1938 and I hate to say it, potentially WW3 on our hands. Or we look away and pretend it's not happening...

I can't.

Nazis then...

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalavryta_massacre

[Willie Dog]

Looks like Ukraine now has the German RGW90 antitank missle as well

[Willie Dog]

Interesting reason why the turrets on the T-72s are getting blown off... a design flaw?

[Cranky]

Apr 3, 2022 14:28:13 GMT -5 Willie Dog said:

Interesting reason why the turrets on the T-72s are getting blown off... a design flaw?

The beauty of Russian tanks...when hit, nobody comes out in one piece.

Another side benefit, without the turret, you just install a toilet seat on top and they are great wavy duty PortaPoties.

After all the atrocity pictures/videos that have come out the last few says, I can't separate Russian army from Nazis.

[Cranky]

Greece has a "money for citizenship", where if you invest half a million Euros, you can stay in Greece and get citizenship. I think Canada has the same plan.

Suddenly dawned on Greeks to shut off that program to Russians. I haven't heard anything from Canada.

I know the soft western mentality is to "blame Putin not Russians" but sorry, when 83% approve of Putin and his action, there is no such thing as separating Putin from the vast majority of Russian populace.

Haven't we seen this before, 77 years ago when a country was turned into rubble and then the population got amnesia? "Who me? Not me. Never me. It was the other guy." I guess those massive goosestepping and adulation rallies was just a dream...

Sorry if this hard line offends anyone.

www.nytimes.com/2022/03/31/world/europe/putin-approval-rating-russia.html