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Post by CentreHice on Jul 5, 2022 10:54:53 GMT -5
Yes...certainly hoping the HuGo Group's draft due diligence begins with a home run.
I think the announcement is also indicative of a patient, positive development approach.
Youngsters allowed to screw up and learn instead of being berated/bounced around/benched.
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Post by Tankdriver on Jul 5, 2022 11:05:10 GMT -5
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Post by habsorbed on Jul 5, 2022 11:23:10 GMT -5
Pretty scary stuff. We went 10 years there, 2008-17, where all our first round picks were busts other than Sergachev, and we gave him away for nothing. One could make the argument that after Sergei, our best pick was Beaulieu - that is scary. And we wonder why we were the worst team in the league at the end of MB's tenure. Here's to a fresh start with HuGo! |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jul 5, 2022 11:38:10 GMT -5
Yes...certainly hoping the HuGo Group's draft due diligence begins with a home run. I think the announcement is also indicative of a patient, positive development approach. Youngsters allowed to screw up and learn instead of being berated/bounced around/benched. I've been a member of HabsRus for a long long time and I can't remember this entire group in unanimous agreement over anything except support for Shane Wright. Just want to see the Kotkaniemi lady in the crowd if Wright isn't picked. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Jul 5, 2022 12:30:44 GMT -5
Wow, when Galchy is your biggest point getter in 10 years, there is a problem... have to go back to 2007 to find someone to surpass him. That 87 draft was pretty good whereas 1999 and 2008 were horrendous other than giving HabsRus one of the longest threads ever... |
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Post by seventeen on Jul 5, 2022 15:05:18 GMT -5
OTOH, I'm not an insider and perhaps within the confines of an organization, he is able to add something to a discussion or enlighten others from the standpoint of a player (except wouldn't Marty be able to do that?). Maybe it was to make Marty more comfortable? Former teammate and friend? I don't know. So many possibilities. Oh well, it's just money and not even mine. I read a quote of Vinny's from the Presser and it seemed all right. It was about Wright and he said some nice things without revealing anything. Exactly what I would have done (ooops....maybe that makes it really dumb). |
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Post by seventeen on Jul 5, 2022 15:27:12 GMT -5
I just think it speaks to the vuolume of our center depth. If we had a strong young 1-2 in our lineup or knocking on the door, we might be looking at the winger. But we don't and I think that plays a lot in our minds. It is a lot harder to get a big No. 1 center than it is to get a winger. I also don't like Slafkovsky stats outside his tournaments. That screams KK, De La Rose, Colberg, Olofsson, Ikonen, Vejdemo to me. I don't disagree with your Slafkovsky Liga points viewpoint, but including KK in that list is not correct. In his draft year, when he turned 18 in October the year before, Mikko Rantanen had 9-10 19 in 56 games. In his draft year, when he was 17 the entire season, KK put up 10-19-29 in 57 games. Same production, nearly a year younger. Same league. Both played on crappy teams. Slafkovsky OTOH had 10 points in 31 games or the equivalent of 18 points in a 57 game season. KK was outstanding in the U18's that year, carrying his team to victory against Russia with 2 points in the final 3-2 game. The third goal was half way through the 3rd, shorthanded, with KK feeding Niklas Nordgren for basically an empty side to put the puck in. I always loved the pick. I think the issues all come back to Bergevin. We didn't have a development group. We didn't have a skills improvement coach. We didn't have an ORGANIZATION. Imagine KK with an extra step, different coaches, and a different GM. We may see that this year with Carolina's centre depth about to take a beating. Trochek's not signing with the Canes. Staal isn't good enough to be a second line centre and he'll be 34 (Still a beast strength wise, though). KK will get his chance with better wingers. If they have put any effort into helping him improve his speed, he's going to be a really good 2nd line centre to Aho. If not, then he'll eventually end up on everyone's third line. |
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Post by seventeen on Jul 5, 2022 15:39:25 GMT -5
Hmm. I thought we had done fairly well the last 5 years, which is why I was disappointed when Timmins was let go, though I understood it. The Mailloux pick was weird, but, for 2021, Kidney, Roy, Simoneau and Vrbetic have done really well. For 2020, Guhle and Farrell are A prospects and Tuch, Mysak and Dobes are B prospects at the very least. For 2019, Caufield was a home run (at #15!), while Norlinder and Struble are still possible and Harvey-Pinard might make the team this year while Fairbrother and Dichow (the Gnome) are still considered good prospects. In 2018, we know about KK, but we got Romanov, Ylonen and Jordan Harris. That's excellent drafting IMO. I don't mind NWT chiming in on these ratings as he's as good a scouting eye as we have on the board. And we can't forget the undrafted Xhekaj who made the Mem Cup all star team, I believe. We've joked about forwards being light on their feet attacking Guhle, but they will hate having to come in on Xhekaj or Fairbrother. Gianni was injured this year, and only played 25 games, slowing his development 46 PIMS in 25 games. |
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Post by Tankdriver on Jul 5, 2022 17:10:17 GMT -5
I agree the last 4 years looks good but it is still to early to tell. But drafting outside North America has not been good for us.
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Post by HFTO on Jul 5, 2022 20:13:12 GMT -5
It almost has to be the safe pick build and go from there .....my first instinct was Cooley given Hughes familiarity I wouldn’t fall of my chair if that is the pick it’s been eerily quiet when it comes to Cooley.
I hope it s Wright ....also think that they will move up somewhere in the first round not sure it will be top 10 like some of the chatter.
Let’s see what trades they pull off this week another indicator of where they are taking this team.
HFTO
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Post by seventeen on Jul 5, 2022 23:55:31 GMT -5
The thing I also find interesting (but don't know the answer to) is that there is more than an expectation....I'd call it a belief in fact, that Slafkovsky's ceiling is higher than Wright's. That's because he's risen fast in the past year, but as I read in another report, there's no statistical evidence that fast risers turn out any better than others. Some do, some don't. So I don't see it being a case of safe or risky. Wright, the safe choice, could just as easily improve his skating, making him more dynamic and being the far more valuable player. The one thing where he has the highest or close to the highest hockey IQ of any age draftable player. That's an attribute that is very, very difficult to improve. The greatest players were always admired for their 'vision'. They have the ability to improve others on their team. Wright has had that description, but I don't believe I've seen that mentioned for Slafkovsky or Cooley.
It's Hughes and Gorton making that decision, though, and they're the ones who have done a ton of due diligence. So let them make the pick. Or trade a wad of guys and the rest of our picks this year for the #2 and take both.
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Post by Douper on Jul 6, 2022 4:23:44 GMT -5
Yes...certainly hoping the HuGo Group's draft due diligence begins with a home run. I think the announcement is also indicative of a patient, positive development approach. Youngsters allowed to screw up and learn instead of being berated/bounced around/benched. I've been a member of HabsRus for a long long time and I can't remember this entire group in unanimous agreement over anything except support for Shane Wright. Just want to see the Kotkaniemi lady in the crowd if Wright isn't picked. I was thinking the same thing. 22-0 for Wright. we've never had a poll like this. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Jul 6, 2022 8:50:02 GMT -5
I've been a member of HabsRus for a long long time and I can't remember this entire group in unanimous agreement over anything except support for Shane Wright. Just want to see the Kotkaniemi lady in the crowd if Wright isn't picked. I was thinking the same thing. 22-0 for Wright. we've never had a poll like this. It's been a long long time since we had a 1-2 punch at centre (90's Damphouse/Recchi)... it's why it's 22-0 |
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Post by habsorbed on Jul 6, 2022 9:52:13 GMT -5
Well, at 22-0, what do we do if Hughes picks Slafs or another? Like I said earlier, if Hughes goes rogue, he had better know what he's doing or it will be a very long but short tenure for him.
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Post by Andrew on Jul 6, 2022 11:12:33 GMT -5
Well, at 22-0, what do we do if Hughes picks Slafs or another? Like I said earlier, if Hughes goes rogue, he had better know what he's doing or it will be a very long but short tenure for him. And is Habsrus indicative of the Montreal fanbase in general? If so, how will the Bell center crowd react to a pick other than Wright? Do the boo birds show up? |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jul 6, 2022 12:25:03 GMT -5
The thing I also find interesting (but don't know the answer to) is that there is more than an expectation....I'd call it a belief in fact, that Slafkovsky's ceiling is higher than Wright's. That's because he's risen fast in the past year, but as I read in another report, there's no statistical evidence that fast risers turn out any better than others. Some do, some don't. So I don't see it being a case of safe or risky. Wright, the safe choice, could just as easily improve his skating, making him more dynamic and being the far more valuable player. The one thing where he has the highest or close to the highest hockey IQ of any age draftable player. That's an attribute that is very, very difficult to improve. The greatest players were always admired for their 'vision'. They have the ability to improve others on their team. Wright has had that description, but I don't believe I've seen that mentioned for Slafkovsky or Cooley. It's Hughes and Gorton making that decision, though, and they're the ones who have done a ton of due diligence. So let them make the pick. Or trade a wad of guys and the rest of our picks this year for the #2 and take both. Individuals progress at different rates. Cournoyer played on the powerplay and sat on the bench for a few years. Marcel Dionne shot to stardom while Lafleur progressed slowly to greater heights. Debate as to who had a greater career. Slavkovsky may be more ready as a rookie while Wright has a better career. If I judged Poehling based on his first game he peaked too soon. Wickenheiser, Leblanc, Latendrese; all very different. |
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Post by CentreHice on Jul 6, 2022 12:35:29 GMT -5
Well, at 22-0, what do we do if Hughes picks Slafs or another? Like I said earlier, if Hughes goes rogue, he had better know what he's doing or it will be a very long but short tenure for him. And is Habsrus indicative of the Montreal fanbase in general? If so, how will the Bell center crowd react to a pick other than Wright? Do the boo birds show up? No matter who's selected, the other day's announcement also provides HuGo with at least 2 years' grace once the pick joins the team. Patience. Remember when we said we'd also select the player based on how we think he'd project as a 24 to 26-year-old? He's only 20...21...22...  Just hoping Molson finally got it right with this group. |
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Post by seventeen on Jul 6, 2022 13:35:29 GMT -5
Well, at 22-0, what do we do if Hughes picks Slafs or another? Like I said earlier, if Hughes goes rogue, he had better know what he's doing or it will be a very long but short tenure for him. When EF HabsRus speaks, everyone listens. (hopefully not everyone is too young to not get the reference. Famous ad line for EF Hutton). Well, maybe Hughes has information we are not privy to. Personally, I think he's just not letting anyone know what he's going to do. The less knowledge your opponents have, the more options they have to plan for and that increases the possibility that someone you like may fall to a spot you like. BTW, Ottawa and Montreal are talking according to some reliable sources (I believe Dreger is one). If that's true then Ottawa's 7th pick is up for grabs. Ottawa is in a win now situation. Chabot, Norris and Tkachuk are young veterans hitting their prime. Jake Sanderson is on the way. They're ready to start competing, but they need talent now, not 4 years from now. It won't be Petry because he's USA bound, but either Anderson or Dvorak along with a pick (#26?) is in the wind. Ottawa needs to improve it's centre strength. I think the plan is to try Stutzle there, and Norris is already established. A buy like Dvorak makes a lot of sense because he might be able to move to a 2C spot if Stutzle doesn't work out and if Stutzle does, then they have a very strong 3C. That 7th pick is right where Lekkerimaki is expected to go. I'd love that deal even more if Hughes can make that draft pick #33 instead of #26. Or if Josh Anderson is included somehow with something else coming back. |
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Post by Cranky on Jul 6, 2022 14:04:35 GMT -5
It's most likely Wright and unless there is an amazing return, i don't want to see Anderson or Dvorak go.
There is nothing but fantasy to trade youngish top 6 players for mid or late picks in a weak draft.
The team is unwatchable as it is, so let's make it garbage for years on fantasy returns. See Buffalo. It may work for some but it doesn't work for me.
Carry on...
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Post by BadCompany on Jul 6, 2022 15:28:22 GMT -5
Well, at 22-0, what do we do if Hughes picks Slafs or another? Like I said earlier, if Hughes goes rogue, he had better know what he's doing or it will be a very long but short tenure for him. When EF HabsRus speaks, everyone listens. (hopefully not everyone is too young to not get the reference. Famous ad line for EF Hutton). Well, maybe Hughes has information we are not privy to. Personally, I think he's just not letting anyone know what he's going to do. The less knowledge your opponents have, the more options they have to plan for and that increases the possibility that someone you like may fall to a spot you like. BTW, Ottawa and Montreal are talking according to some reliable sources (I believe Dreger is one). If that's true then Ottawa's 7th pick is up for grabs. Ottawa is in a win now situation. Chabot, Norris and Tkachuk are young veterans hitting their prime. Jake Sanderson is on the way. They're ready to start competing, but they need talent now, not 4 years from now. It won't be Petry because he's USA bound, but either Anderson or Dvorak along with a pick (#26?) is in the wind. Ottawa needs to improve it's centre strength. I think the plan is to try Stutzle there, and Norris is already established. A buy like Dvorak makes a lot of sense because he might be able to move to a 2C spot if Stutzle doesn't work out and if Stutzle does, then they have a very strong 3C. That 7th pick is right where Lekkerimaki is expected to go. I'd love that deal even more if Hughes can make that draft pick #33 instead of #26. Or if Josh Anderson is included somehow with something else coming back. If we're going to get the 7th pick then I would try to then flip it to get the 2nd. And then I'd take Nemec. If we came out of this draft with a potential #1 center AND a potential #1 defenseman (righty to boot), I'd be quite impressed. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Jul 6, 2022 17:14:28 GMT -5
Well, at 22-0, what do we do if Hughes picks Slafs or another? Like I said earlier, if Hughes goes rogue, he had better know what he's doing or it will be a very long but short tenure for him. When EF HabsRus speaks, everyone listens. (hopefully not everyone is too young to not get the reference. Famous ad line for EF Hutton). Well, maybe Hughes has information we are not privy to. Personally, I think he's just not letting anyone know what he's going to do. The less knowledge your opponents have, the more options they have to plan for and that increases the possibility that someone you like may fall to a spot you like. BTW, Ottawa and Montreal are talking according to some reliable sources (I believe Dreger is one). If that's true then Ottawa's 7th pick is up for grabs. Ottawa is in a win now situation. Chabot, Norris and Tkachuk are young veterans hitting their prime. Jake Sanderson is on the way. They're ready to start competing, but they need talent now, not 4 years from now. It won't be Petry because he's USA bound, but either Anderson or Dvorak along with a pick (#26?) is in the wind. Ottawa needs to improve it's centre strength. I think the plan is to try Stutzle there, and Norris is already established. A buy like Dvorak makes a lot of sense because he might be able to move to a 2C spot if Stutzle doesn't work out and if Stutzle does, then they have a very strong 3C. That 7th pick is right where Lekkerimaki is expected to go. I'd love that deal even more if Hughes can make that draft pick #33 instead of #26. Or if Josh Anderson is included somehow with something else coming back. Do you own the insta-tricolore IG account 17? http://instagram.com/p/CfrVBSiuunT |
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Post by Willie Dog on Jul 6, 2022 17:21:15 GMT -5
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jul 6, 2022 17:35:05 GMT -5
When EF HabsRus speaks, everyone listens. (hopefully not everyone is too young to not get the reference. Famous ad line for EF Hutton). Well, maybe Hughes has information we are not privy to. Personally, I think he's just not letting anyone know what he's going to do. The less knowledge your opponents have, the more options they have to plan for and that increases the possibility that someone you like may fall to a spot you like. BTW, Ottawa and Montreal are talking according to some reliable sources (I believe Dreger is one). If that's true then Ottawa's 7th pick is up for grabs. Ottawa is in a win now situation. Chabot, Norris and Tkachuk are young veterans hitting their prime. Jake Sanderson is on the way. They're ready to start competing, but they need talent now, not 4 years from now. It won't be Petry because he's USA bound, but either Anderson or Dvorak along with a pick (#26?) is in the wind. Ottawa needs to improve it's centre strength. I think the plan is to try Stutzle there, and Norris is already established. A buy like Dvorak makes a lot of sense because he might be able to move to a 2C spot if Stutzle doesn't work out and if Stutzle does, then they have a very strong 3C. That 7th pick is right where Lekkerimaki is expected to go. I'd love that deal even more if Hughes can make that draft pick #33 instead of #26. Or if Josh Anderson is included somehow with something else coming back. Do you own the insta-tricolore IG account 17? http://instagr.am/p/CfrVBSiuunT We want both Wright and Slavkovsky. Not too long ago we were dreaming og getting #1 Wright. Slavkovsky in BIG, FAST, with a good shot. Sounds like a young guy Anderson that we already have. We already know how he plays against NHL opposition, protects the puck etc. We can't field a team of 24 22 year olds. |
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Post by HFTO on Jul 6, 2022 19:42:37 GMT -5
Anderson and Dvorak??…that would be quite the salary dump!
More likely if true one of these plus 26 possibly plus?
As far as further dumps goes hope Drouin and Armia are on the active shop list.
Depending on how many bodies do go we will have a clearer view if the Habs are in tank mode.
They definitely have to many picks so some are moving for sure or being swapped for picks next year.
Fun and nervous times this summer hope we’re feeling good at the end of this weekend.
HFTO
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Post by folatre on Jul 6, 2022 20:30:47 GMT -5
Yeah, I agree. It does not make sense to trade both Anderson and Dvorak for #7 in this draft. Ottawa gets a good 3C on a solid contract and a fast heavy second line RW to play with Stutzle and the Habs get a talented kid who is less than a can't miss core piece.
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Post by seventeen on Jul 6, 2022 20:38:18 GMT -5
Willie….the Insta Tri Colore what? Does it make a profit? I bet they got it from the same place I did, Twitter. I think it was Marco D’Amico who is an actual reputable person. Where he got it from, who knows?
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Post by seventeen on Jul 6, 2022 20:41:48 GMT -5
Yeah, I agree. It does not make sense to trade both Anderson and Dvorak for #7 in this draft. Ottawa gets a good 3C on a solid contract and a fast heavy second line RW to play with Stutzle and the Habs get a talented kid who is less than a can't miss core piece. I agree. But don’t forget the Cap relief. There’s value there. That Anderson contract has the potential to become a real anchor. |
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Post by PTH on Jul 6, 2022 20:48:11 GMT -5
Yeah, I agree. It does not make sense to trade both Anderson and Dvorak for #7 in this draft. Ottawa gets a good 3C on a solid contract and a fast heavy second line RW to play with Stutzle and the Habs get a talented kid who is less than a can't miss core piece. I'm not seeing this as great value for the Habs either, since 7th is just one kid, who might well flame out. We'd then have lost 2 young veterans, and there is talk that Murray might be part of the return... it means we have a goalie if Price gets hurt, at least. |
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Post by Tankdriver on Jul 6, 2022 21:02:54 GMT -5
Dvorak, 26 and Allen for 7th and Murray?
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Post by PTH on Jul 6, 2022 21:10:45 GMT -5
Dvorak, 26 and Allen for 7th and Murray? The Sens already have 3 goalies, they don't want or need Allen. IMO Murray has negative value, even more for a cheap organisation, since his contract is back-loaded so he has a lot of cash still be paid out. I'm thinking Anderson and 26 for Murray and 7. |
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