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Post by seventeen on May 1, 2023 14:54:51 GMT -5
You kind of have to compare him to Ducharme, huh? No willingness to accept any defensive errors whatsoever, for kids. Vets get pass after pass after pass, but a kid makes one mistake and he's toast.
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Post by CentreHice on May 1, 2023 15:06:30 GMT -5
Was wondering how Jack Edwards called the winner. Found it on a NESN feed. Verhaegheeee...[GOAL SCORED]...wins the series for Florida! And this joyride ends in a....Hindenburg-like ending....It's the tone you can't convey in writing. Beauty. At least he had his worst case scenario phrasing prepared in advance. I would have loved to hear him after the mikes were turned off. The above might end up the most watched Jack Edwards clip of all time. To what/whom is Edwards referring: "The Bruins are the second record-setting team in a row to drop the series in the 1st round." The 1971 record-setting Bruins who were upset by the Habs? |
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Post by seventeen on May 1, 2023 15:24:19 GMT -5
I wasn't sure either, CH, but it has to be more recent than that. He said 2 years in a row, but the only team I can think of is Tampa losing to Columbus. In 2018/19, 62 wins, 128 points.
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Post by jkr on May 1, 2023 15:44:37 GMT -5
Florida won it last year with 122 points but lost in the 2nd round. I have have no clue what he is talking about but hey, it's Edwards.
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Post by seventeen on May 1, 2023 18:06:56 GMT -5
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, but in the case of the 2023 Bruins, a cigar was just a cigarette butt. I've been harping on this more than I should, but I was so freaking ticked at the idiotic messaging coming out of the media stating that these Bruins were the best team of all time. This is just another case of hyperbole and instant gratification. The evidence doesn’t matter, I just want to be able to say “I was alive to see the Greatest Team of All Time!”
The 76/77 Habs had 9 players who have ended up in the Hockey Hall of Fame. Who is there on this Boston team that might? Bergeron for sure. Marchand has a good chance. Pastrnak? McAvoy. Both possible but no guarantees. No one else on that team I can think of. That’s 4 max.
From 1974/75 to 1978/79 the Habs had 113, 127, 132, 129 and 115 points. The Bruins in 5 years from 2017/18 to 21/22 had 112, 107, 100, 107, and 107. A lot fewer points, in 2 more games, during the loser point era. Then suddenly they jump to 135. Andrew Berkshire, who has a lot more advanced stats at his hands than I do, tweeted that Boston had 1 more goal per game more than their possession numbers would indicate. That’s 82 goals for the year. Those prior 5 years, the Bruins averaged a plus 47 goal differential. This past season it was 128. That’s 81 more than their average. Suspicious, no?
Anyways, this ridiculous idea that this team belongs with the greats will persist. Give me the Habs, the 80’s Oilers and Isles, the 90’s Wings and Avs, the late 70’s Bruins, the late 50’s Habs and probably a few more teams who won over several seasons and actually made it past the first round of the playoffs, before this bunch of adversity starved pretenders.
What that team has generated is an idea in my head for a Carey Price thread. Coming to this theatre, soon.
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Post by folatre on May 1, 2023 19:11:42 GMT -5
It would have been crazy to impose an old goat like Sutter on a new GM, so this seems like a no-brainer.
Game 7 Rangers-Devils, feels like the mid-90s. I would like the Devil's chances better if the time machine could put Brodeur between the pipes tonight. I am pulling for New Jersey (good bud of mine from university days is a big fan), but I cannot help but think the cool story of Schmid is about to reach the chapter where he turns into a pumpkin at midnight.
Well, at the very least I want a compelling game 7.
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Post by folatre on May 1, 2023 20:02:50 GMT -5
Not saying there is anything more than a coincidence, but it is not illegal to note that Bettman's favorite team (he grew up a Rangers fan) is getting all the calls in the first twenty minutes. The first call against New Jersey was lame. Bastian was not even aware of Motte, he could have just as easily flopped and claimed Motte clipped him. And how in the world does Jack Hughes on a breakaway not get the call when Lindgren dishes out a slash/hook that my six year old daughter could have managed to identify as a penalty.
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Post by Willie Dog on May 1, 2023 20:35:14 GMT -5
Not saying there is anything more than a coincidence, but it is not illegal to note that Bettman's favorite team (he grew up a Rangers fan) is getting all the calls in the first twenty minutes. The first call against New Jersey was lame. Bastian was not even aware of Motte, he could have just as easily flopped and claimed Motte clipped him. And how in the world does Jack Hughes on a breakaway not get the call when Lindgren dishes out a slash/hook that my six year old daughter could have managed to identify as a penalty. And your surprised that the Rags are getting the calls? Welcome to Bettmans NHL... I'm shocked the Bruins didn't get the calls last night... |
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Post by folatre on May 1, 2023 21:26:39 GMT -5
Trouba plays a heavy, hard game. There is no denying that and in general nothing wrong with that. But he has mastered the art of head hunting while keeping his elbows down by essentially aiming to deliver the check through the core of the opponent's body just when, interestingly or conveniently, the opponent's head is lowered. This is precisely how Trouba knocked out Crosby in game 5 of the first round last season when Pittsburgh was up 3-1 in the series.
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Post by folatre on May 1, 2023 21:37:34 GMT -5
I doubt the Rangers have a status quo off-season. The owner is an impatient kook and Chris Drury has had a number of major signings and trades blow up in his face. That could be a recipe for smoke and fire.
New York got a lot of love for how quick they rebuilt/retooled, but the roster sure does look flawed. Too many soft, slowish, skilled forwards and a blue line replete with guys who struggle to generate or defend 5v5.
The refs gave them their opening tonight, with one power play after another after another. And that is the strong suit of the Rangers' roster composition, but when they whiffed on all those gifts, the scary reality reality started to set in -- too many oldish, slowish, softish passengers on the bus.
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Post by jkr on May 1, 2023 21:47:51 GMT -5
Re: Trouba. When he made that hit on a major star like Crosby & got away with it I was stunned. It's like he had permission from the league to headhunt.
I think paRt of the problem is that the Rangers success is driven by older players. They were gifted 2 very high picks & these guys are not game changers. The nicest thing I can say is that Lafreniere & Kakko are supremely average & have little impact on games. Ranger fans must cry over what they could have had.
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Post by folatre on May 1, 2023 22:13:09 GMT -5
For sure, who knows, the grey area on those types of plays/hits continues to be notable. If Tom Wilson or, say, Pezzetta delivers the same hit I have a hunch the refs on-ice judgment and the league's response post-facto may be a lot different.
Lafreniere and Kakko have enough tools to be good NHLers, but they do not look like major difference-makers and inevitably they have to carry around that burden of expectations.
I know fans around the league will say well you guys picked Kotkaniemi and Slafkovsky. Maybe the cases are similar. Maybe they are different. Time will say.
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Post by seventeen on May 2, 2023 18:46:47 GMT -5
Florida outplaying Leafs so far. If Leafs keep it close thats a tough pace for Florida to keep up. Samsonov is on his game.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on May 2, 2023 20:30:27 GMT -5
Are these Leafs frauds? Not exactly according to plan so far.
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Post by jkr on May 2, 2023 20:50:18 GMT -5
Panthers win 4-2. Tkachuk with 3 assists. And no surprise - leafs with 4 PPs, Panthers with one.
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Post by jkr on May 2, 2023 21:02:11 GMT -5
Florida outplaying Leafs so far. If Leafs keep it close thats a tough pace for Florida to keep up. Samsonov is on his game. Samaonov ended up allowing 4 for a .857 sp. |
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Post by folatre on May 2, 2023 21:12:17 GMT -5
Bobrovsky turned back the clock and looked like the two time Vezina winner.
I think the stat line was perhaps a little unkind to Samsonov. He actually made a handful of five bell saves. But he was sort of fishing in no man's land on Montour's goal and I suppose it is not unreasonable to say in a tie game with two minutes to go in the second period in the second round that it would be nice to win that mano a mano breakaway against Verhaeghe. And I doubt privately any Leafs coaches would have anything nice to say about the body of work of their d-men in this game. I thought they were putrid, even with the normal whipping boy Holl in the pressbox.
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Post by jkr on May 2, 2023 21:35:33 GMT -5
I havent watched a lot of Leafs playoff hockey but I think they have work do in their own end. In 7 games they have allowed 25 goals.
I know the total is skewed by the game one blowout, but still, numbers like that aren't usually a recipe for success.
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Post by folatre on May 2, 2023 21:37:33 GMT -5
I imagine DeBoer is going to tear some guys a new one in the room after twenty minutes. Oettinger was very far from good, but man the Stars had so many guys puck watching and playing soft in the d-zone.
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Post by jkr on May 2, 2023 21:38:01 GMT -5
Pavelski has 2 for Dallas but after one its 4-2 Kraken including 2 goals in 11 seconds & 3 goals in a 52 second span.
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Post by folatre on May 2, 2023 21:46:19 GMT -5
You're right. Thus far I see Samsonov's body of work as way above average for an NHL goalie in the playoffs being asked to clean up a lot of high quality chances against. So in reality, that probably underscores how sketchy the puck management has been by the Leafs in all three zones and how despite having a really veteran (if you look at age) d-corps it is not all that hard to get them running around like Pee-Wees in their own end.
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Post by jkr on May 2, 2023 21:51:04 GMT -5
Just saw a surprising stat line: Most 5 on 5 goals this season & playoffs to date.
1- Seattle
2- Boston
3- Florida
Quite remarkable I think for a 2nd year team.
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Post by folatre on May 3, 2023 17:21:09 GMT -5
I know it is fun to be a fan of a team with an all-world power play like Edmonton. But realistically, I would be elated if Montreal could just get to be a middle of the pack power play and a team that is not among the most frequently penalized (as it currently is).
Boston crumbled in the first round, but their demise was not really related to being unable to score 5v5 against Florida. I like the template of a team with speed, skill, smarts, and commitment to defending as a team. I hope the Habs can develop into that type of a team.
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Post by CentreHice on May 3, 2023 18:15:22 GMT -5
Had to go into Toronto today, so had the Fan590 on the radio. Kypreos's show. At least he rips the Leafs when they deserve it.
They played a clip from Paul Maurice re: Tkachuk's game.
Basic, paraphrased takeaway: You see a lot of zeros in Tkachuk's box score PIMs starting in January. There were a couple big dustup minutes, but those happen from time to time, depending upon the circumstances.
Concentrating on hockey...not the dirt/antics.
A couple of the panel pundits said Tkachuk was playing at Hart Trophy consideration from January on.
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Post by CentreHice on May 3, 2023 18:49:29 GMT -5
Devils with 1 shot in the first 20 minutes.
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Post by jkr on May 3, 2023 21:36:23 GMT -5
Oilers off to a poor start. Vegas outshoots them 14-6 and leads 3-2. They're lucky to be that close as Draisaitl scores from behind the redline with 10 seconds left in the 1st. Brutal goal.
Desharnais on the ice for a couple. Careless on the first and losing a puck battle on thd 2nd.
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Post by CentreHice on May 3, 2023 23:26:05 GMT -5
Edmonton...too-many-men with just over a minute to go...down by one.
What a needless error at any time of the season.
Empty net....6-4 Vegas. Draisaitl with all 4 goals in a losing effort.
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Post by jkr on May 4, 2023 6:27:19 GMT -5
Edmonton...too-many-men with just over a minute to go...down by one. What a needless error at any time of the season. Empty net....6-4 Vegas. Draisaitl with all 4 goals in a losing effort. Follows a 4 goal game by Pavelski on Tuesday. What strikes me about the summary is seeing how quickly Vegas responded. Draisaitl opens the scoring , Less than a minute later Barbashev ties it. Early in the 2nd Draisaitl ties it but just 2 minutes later, Vegas is ahead 5-3. I'm not sure what this says about a team when their attention to detail is so lacking in a playoff game. |
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Post by CentreHice on May 4, 2023 7:20:51 GMT -5
That's why I picked Vegas in this one. Edmonton's D and G are still issues. I think Vegas's overall game/team are more consistent throughout--especially 5-on-5.
If Vegas can keep their penalties down....
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Post by Tankdriver on May 4, 2023 12:36:27 GMT -5
That's why I picked Vegas in this one. Edmonton's D and G are still issues. I think Vegas's overall game/team are more consistent throughout--especially 5-on-5. If Vegas can keep their penalties down.... If I was coach of Edmonton, I'd through Jack Campbell out there for game 2. It's early in the series and if he catches fire then you can ride the hot hand. If it doesn't, you still have game 3 at home and can go back to Skinner. |
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