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Post by jkr on May 7, 2023 21:39:50 GMT -5
LOL.
All the Panthers have to do is cruise through the crease once and Murray will take himself out of the game.
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Post by CentreHice on May 7, 2023 22:07:08 GMT -5
Then again, if the 4 offensive stars can't get it done in the first 60 minutes of a must-win, it's tough to blame the bottom 6 in OT.
The "Core 4" are getting ripped on FAN590 at the moment.
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Post by Willie Dog on May 8, 2023 9:19:03 GMT -5
Thanks. Wonder what they will do if Samsonov can't go on Wednesday. Sign another emergency goalie?  Woll looked lost on the winner. I wouldn't blame Woll, a goalie assumed his guy wouldn't be a lazy PoS... A Panther shot the puck around the boards and Woll, who had been looking right then had to look left and that's when Reinhart did the wrap around |
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Post by jkr on May 8, 2023 12:31:01 GMT -5
Seattle scores 7 in the last 2 periods and thump Dallas 7-2. Oettinger was lousy and got pulled after the 2nd.
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Post by seventeen on May 8, 2023 14:59:10 GMT -5
Seattle is sure upsetting the SC champion make-up apple cart. One needs an elite dman, one if not 2 elite centres, and preferably an excellent goal scorer. Seattle may have none of the above, yet continue to beat teams that have exactly that. Dallas is weak on the elite centres part and it's as if a hex descends on whoever is in goal for Seattle's opposition and they have bad games. Oettinger is playing well below his normal level.
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Post by seventeen on May 8, 2023 15:03:59 GMT -5
Then again, if the 4 offensive stars can't get it done in the first 60 minutes of a must-win, it's tough to blame the bottom 6 in OT. The "Core 4" are getting ripped on FAN590 at the moment. Time to start a "Leafs can't get past the second round" chant. I wouldn't normally care, but they're costing US this time. Morons. |
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Post by seventeen on May 8, 2023 15:54:00 GMT -5
According to Moneypuck.com, moneypuck.com/goalies.htmit's amazing that Edmonton, Dallas and the Leafs are still alive as their goaltending has been amongst the worst in these playoffs based on goals allowed above expected. the best? Rangers Shesterkin, The Islander's Sorokin (which kind of emphasizes that NY couldn't hit the ocean shooting off a pier), Bobrovsky (so that's how the Panthers are doing it!) and Grubauer. When there's a surprise team still alive and really kicking in the SC playoffs, look in the crease. Did we not see that a couple of years ago? Don't let that fact affect how you look at the team as a whole. We sucked and Carey did most of the heavy lifting (Duh, with 3 stay at home defensemen in the top 4). Wonder how Seattle would look with ordinary goaltending? Planning for next year, IMO. |
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Post by jkr on May 8, 2023 19:23:21 GMT -5
Lot of talk on TSN tonight about the chances of a comeback. Sigh.
The core 4 are goalless in this series and a collective-10. And in club history the Leafs have faced twelve 0-3 situations. Their record is 1-11.
Can TSN just drop this please.
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Post by folatre on May 8, 2023 19:41:02 GMT -5
Anything is possible, jeje. After all, there are what, about four or five, of these reverse sweep comebacks in the 100+ year history of the NHL.
It sucks for the Habs, but Florida is just feeling it now.
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Post by jkr on May 8, 2023 19:52:32 GMT -5
I think there were 4 reverse comebacks that I remember.
Leafs in 1942
Isles sometime in the 80s against Philly
Philly against Boston in 2010
LA against the Sharks in 2014 I think
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Post by CentreHice on May 8, 2023 20:09:14 GMT -5
Brossoit pulls a groin...or so it appeared. He had hip surgery last summer...perhaps a re-injury there?
Hill in net, with Quick in reserve.
At least Vegas has some depth pedigree in goal. Quick is 37, but who knows?
EDIT: Evander Kane with a deliberate crosscheck to Pietrangelo's neck at the end of the period. Swarmed by Knights.
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Post by CentreHice on May 8, 2023 21:29:27 GMT -5
Oilers currently being spanked at home. Goaltending and D awareness. 5-1 after 2.
Skinner out after the 4th.
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Post by seventeen on May 9, 2023 11:47:10 GMT -5
This year has been completely unpredictable. Brossoit gets hurt and the freaking backup POS comes in and wins the game. The same thing happened with the Panthers when Bobrovsky was hurt. It would have been better for us if Bobrovsky wasn't injured. Lyon has his 15 games of fame and we get our pick screwed. Two of the better performing goalies are out of the playoffs (Shesterkin & Sorokin) and an expansion team without any of the key SC champion ingredients is about to make the WCF, because a GERMAN goalie has gotten hot. Topsy turvy world.
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Post by Skilly on May 9, 2023 12:20:29 GMT -5
Lot of talk on TSN tonight about the chances of a comeback. Sigh. The core 4 are goalless in this series and a collective-10. And in club history the Leafs have faced twelve 0-3 situations. Their record is 1-11. Can TSN just drop this please. So the only time they were not swept was in 1942? |
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Post by jkr on May 9, 2023 13:34:06 GMT -5
Lot of talk on TSN tonight about the chances of a comeback. Sigh. The core 4 are goalless in this series and a collective-10. And in club history the Leafs have faced twelve 0-3 situations. Their record is 1-11. Can TSN just drop this please. So the only time they were not swept was in 1942? I guess so. I never even thought of that. I saw that stat on a TSN ticker but didnt come to that realization. Good catch. |
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Post by CentreHice on May 9, 2023 14:21:11 GMT -5
I found 2 other Leafs' playoff series in which they weren't swept when down 0-3.
55-56. Round 1 vs. Detroit. Won Game 4. Lost Game 5.
89-90. Round 1 vs. St. Louis. Won Game 4. Lost Game 5.
9 lost in a sweep.
2 lost in 5.
1 comeback for the series win.
(to the best of my research)
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Post by jkr on May 9, 2023 15:09:46 GMT -5
I found 2 other Leafs' playoff series in which they weren't swept when down 0-3. 55-56. Round 1 vs. Detroit. Won Game 4. Lost Game 5. 89-90. Round 1 vs. St. Louis. Won Game 4. Lost Game 5. 9 lost in a sweep. 2 lost in 5. 1 comeback for the series win. (to the best of my research)So TSN said 1-11 when they were down 0-3. Looks like they may be 3-9. |
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Post by CentreHice on May 9, 2023 16:55:50 GMT -5
I found 2 other Leafs' playoff series in which they weren't swept when down 0-3. 55-56. Round 1 vs. Detroit. Won Game 4. Lost Game 5. 89-90. Round 1 vs. St. Louis. Won Game 4. Lost Game 5. 9 lost in a sweep. 2 lost in 5. 1 comeback for the series win. (to the best of my research)So TSN said 1-11 when they were down 0-3. Looks like they may be 3-9. No, they're still 1-11 when down 0-3...but were swept in only 9 of them. I was referring to Skilly's question: So the only time they were not swept was in 1942? They were not swept in '56 and '90...but lost in 5. They've never come back from 0-3 to lose in 6 or 7. From what I've found looking at their playoff history. |
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Post by jkr on May 9, 2023 17:40:35 GMT -5
Ok. I was thinking of the individual games rather than the series, ie the 4th game.
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Post by jkr on May 10, 2023 7:30:20 GMT -5
During intermission of the Devils game they were discussing the Leafs goalie situation. Looks like Woll will start & Murray will backup. Murray was Dubas' first choice at the beginning of the year. He's healthy enough to back up but is giving way to the rookie. And they still have one more year of Murray left after this season.
Friedman feels that if Toronto gets swept then major changes are coming on and off the ice.
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Post by franko on May 10, 2023 9:08:16 GMT -5
During intermission of the Devils game they were discussing the Leafs goalie situation. Looks like Woll will start & Murray will backup. Murray was Dubas' first choice at the beginning of the year. He's healthy enough to back up but is giving way to the rookie. And they still have one more year of Murray left after this season. Friedman feels that if Toronto gets swept then major changes are coming on and off the ice. you would think! this was their year . . . again. |
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Post by Willie Dog on May 10, 2023 12:00:53 GMT -5
I want them to keep the same management and core players... it what the rest of canada wants
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Post by seventeen on May 10, 2023 14:02:47 GMT -5
During intermission of the Devils game they were discussing the Leafs goalie situation. Looks like Woll will start & Murray will backup. Murray was Dubas' first choice at the beginning of the year. He's healthy enough to back up but is giving way to the rookie. And they still have one more year of Murray left after this season. Friedman feels that if Toronto gets swept then major changes are coming on and off the ice. Duh. Elliot usually provides some insight, but this take is a bit obvious. For Dubas and Keefe and maybe even Shanahan to keep their jobs, the Leafs had to make the Eastern conference finals. It seems, and an argument could be made for this, that the team was so focused on getting past the first round that they feel "Mission Accomplished" and going any further is not any special achievement. (Loud buzzer sound). Having Muzzin get hurt really damaged that defense. The depth isn't what it could be, nor the toughness. That's just bad luck, but it might be the end of Dubas and Keefe. You can bet that if Muzzin is on the left side, Reinhart doesn't get that free pass for the OT goal. I'm not much of a Keefe fan. He's won 1 championship in his coaching career (2018 Calder Cup) with a stacked Marlies team. Other than that, lots of misses, even into the 3rd round. Can't seem to get his guys over the hump. |
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Post by Tankdriver on May 10, 2023 14:11:27 GMT -5
What killed the Leafs was the pandemic. Before that, they gave big contracts to the big 4 (5 if you count Reilly) because there expectations were that the cap would rise 2 or 3 million each year and would help offset those raises and fill out the roster. When the pandemic hit, the cap stayed flat and they couldn't build a big enough support system around them.
But yes, agree Keefe is over rated.
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Post by jkr on May 10, 2023 16:07:01 GMT -5
I agree, the cap caused them problems. But they should not have banked on something over which they had no control.
But they cannot escape the fact that their most productive players have dried up at the most important times.
In game 7 in 2019 - 1 goal
In game 5 in 2020 - 0 goals ( best of 5 in play in round)
In game 7 in 2021 - 1 goal
In game 7 in 2022 - 1 goal
They are just not showing up when they need to.
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Post by jkr on May 10, 2023 20:42:35 GMT -5
Great. At least 2 more days of Leaf hype on the media. They win 2-1.
6th straight game scoring only 2 goals.
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Post by Willie Dog on May 10, 2023 21:08:16 GMT -5
Great. At least 2 more days of Leaf hype on the media. They win 2-1. 6th straight game scoring only 2 goals. Supposedly the ref helped on the Nylander goal...? |
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Post by jkr on May 10, 2023 21:23:29 GMT -5
I just watched the replay and didnt see much.
It was a PP on a penalty drawn by Bunting so there's that.🙁
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Post by folatre on May 10, 2023 21:57:17 GMT -5
I think the Panthers player was trying to reverse the puck (maybe intending a hard around there) and the puck hit the ref and bounced out into the home plate area as a gift for Nylander.
Vegas getting destroyed tonight. I know Stone has been through some tough injury stuff this season and he was never fleet afoot, but my goodness he is labouring around the ice like a middle-aged beer leaguer (I can offer a reference point because I am 47:)
Goalies may yet decide this thing. But assuming either Skinner or Campbell can turn in adequate play in net, I cannot see how Vegas wins the series unless Eichel brings the A+ game in his repertoire that everyone saw in game 3 because otherwise I just do not see any elite forwards on Vegas who can match what McDavid and Draisaitl bring to the table.
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Post by PTH on May 10, 2023 23:55:44 GMT -5
If this league had guts, Pietrangelo would be suspended for attempting to injure a top player on the opposing team...
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