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Post by Cranky on Jan 29, 2023 17:22:33 GMT -5
Anderson is literally a bull in the China shop. He knows how to break things but he can't use his teamates to save his life.
It's been a few days since Leclair, but i don't think he had these kind of blinders.
I'm kinda of hoping he can wreck havok down low IF we get Dubois, but there is no doubt that he's not the type to make everyone around him better.
His toolbelt is undeniable but his hockey processor is running Windows 3.
It doesn't mean i want to get rid of him, particularly without try him with...ummm...you can guess who.
BTW...while I'm on this dream sequence, Dach may be an even better linemate with Dubois. Since he's no longer a "need" for 2C, a Dubois/Dach line may be miserable for the league.
(I refuse to give up on the Dubois dream because it keeps me warm at night given games like Hens)
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Post by habsorbed on Jan 29, 2023 17:44:42 GMT -5
Anderson is literally a bull in the China shop. He knows how to break things but he can't use his teamates to save his life. It's been a few days since Leclair, but i don't think he had these kind of blinders. I'm kinda of hoping he can wreck havok down low IF we get Dubois, but there is no doubt that he's not the type to make everyone around him better. His toolbelt is undeniable but his hockey processor is running Windows 3. It doesn't mean i want to get rid of him, particularly without try him with...ummm...you can guess who. BTW...while I'm on this dream sequence, Dach may be an even better linemate with Dubois. Since he's no longer a "need" for 2C, a Dubois/Dach line may be miserable for the league. (I refuse to give up on the Dubois dream because it keeps me warm at night given games like Hens) Over the last month I'm starting to think Dach may be our #1 centre in the future as Suze has struggled - perhaps injured. But if cap can permit top six of Suze and Cole, and then Dubois and Dach would = Cup. |
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Post by Cranky on Jan 29, 2023 19:51:27 GMT -5
Over the last month I'm starting to think Dach may be our #1 centre in the future as Suze has struggled - perhaps injured. But if cap can permit top six of Suze and Cole, and then Dubois and Dach would = Cup. Definitely a hell of top 4 making up the top 6. Mind you, kiss 30 million goodbye if they are all 80 point plus players. And I bet the renovated outhouse that they would compete with each other on points and goals. If you heard Dach when he was miced, he is very competitive. What a miserable future to have all of them and under 26 in 3 years with a 5 year runway.  |
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Post by habsorbed on Jan 30, 2023 2:39:01 GMT -5
Well, we got Dach for another 3 years after this for $3.3 million - real steal. So Suze, Cole and PLD at $8 million avg would be very doable as all 4 for $27 million. Just got a dump Hoff and his $4.5 (done deal after next year but hopefully sooner), Drouin is done in a couple of months and that frees up $5.5. And dump Dvo at $4.4 (probably have to retain some). And we would be home free if Gally and his $6.5 could move on.
We would then have the Four Horsemen up front and ample cap space to sign Guhle, Xman and the supporting cast in a few years. I'd like to see how Monty would do with a solid team in front of him, and some run support.
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Post by PTH on Jan 30, 2023 3:32:09 GMT -5
Well, we got Dach for another 3 years after this for $3.3 million - real steal. So Suze, Cole and PLD at $8 million avg would be very doable as all 4 for $27 million. Just got a dump Hoff and his $4.5 (done deal after next year but hopefully sooner), Drouin is done in a couple of months and that frees up $5.5. And dump Dvo at $4.4 (probably have to retain some). And we would be home free if Gally and his $6.5 could move on. We would then have the Four Horsemen up front and ample cap space to sign Guhle, Xman and the supporting cast in a few years. I'd like to see how Monty would do with a solid team in front of him, and some run support. Now, imagine that core... and Bedard on an ELC for 3 years. In 3 years we'd have to sell off some guys to keep him and bribe someone to take Gallagher, but those 3 years could be fun. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 30, 2023 8:57:34 GMT -5
News flash.... Mass drooling happening at HabsRus... story at 11... lmao
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Post by Boston_Habs on Jan 30, 2023 10:45:42 GMT -5
The Pierre-Luc Dubois thing...
So how would this work? The guy is on a 1-year deal at $6mn and is RFA next year and could become a full UFA in the summer of 2024. Winnipeg is one of the best teams in the West this year so no incentive to trade him now. I guess the opportunity would be if Dubois refuses to sign a long-term deal this summer which could either force a trade or the Jets could sell him at the deadline or, if they are in the mix again, simply keep him all next year and let him walk as a UFA.
I'm all for getting an immediate and meaningful talent upgrade and Dubois certainly fits the profile... I think. Still hasn't cracked 30 goals, although he's on pace for 35 this year. Seems like there is a bit of drama with the kid and I'm always nervous about the francophone star in the Montreal spotlight. This can't be another Drouin situation.
That said, we can't simply sit on all these picks and make safe moves. The Dach trade has worked out so far, but that was not a high risk move. HuGo are obviously looking to clear out some of the vets on the team, which makes sense but that will just open up cap space. I suspect they may want to lock up Caufield sooner rather than later, but at some point there's going to be a big trade/signing and you don't want to screw it up.
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Post by habsorbed on Jan 30, 2023 11:09:29 GMT -5
Dubois ain't no Drouin. Dubois has established himself as a good top 2 centre and is getting better. Even if he has an off scoring year he is an asset. Drouin never established himself as anything in the NHL. His achievement was as a junior player and a 3rd overall. After that NADA!
As for when, it may be this year but more likely next year when PLD tells Jets he ain't signing as an RFA and Jets need to move him. Jets could give him permission to talk to another team, Habs, and we work out a long term deal for under $8.4. Then we must work out what Jets want. Worse case scenario is we sign him as RFA for under $8.4 and give Jets a 1st, 2nd, and a 3rd. No biggie on the picks as if HuGo haven't established a solid foundation through picks by the end of next year then we ain't doing much for another decade.
The only potential wrinkle in the plan is if Jets are stubborn and refuse to deal PLD and ultimately match our offer at RFA time. Not sure Jets and their low budget would spend that money on a player who wants out. That's where PLD has to make it clear to Jets, as he has indicated, he ain't playing in The Peg so signing him ain't going to work.
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Post by Tankdriver on Jan 30, 2023 11:22:18 GMT -5
I am waiting for summer 2024 to sign him. The Jets can trade us his rights after the playoffs are over for him and get a mid round pick if they want something at that point.
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Post by frozone on Jan 30, 2023 11:31:20 GMT -5
The Pierre-Luc Dubois thing... So how would this work? The guy is on a 1-year deal at $6mn and is RFA next year and could become a full UFA in the summer of 2024. Winnipeg is one of the best teams in the West this year so no incentive to trade him now. I guess the opportunity would be if Dubois refuses to sign a long-term deal this summer which could either force a trade or the Jets could sell him at the deadline or, if they are in the mix again, simply keep him all next year and let him walk as a UFA. I'm all for getting an immediate and meaningful talent upgrade and Dubois certainly fits the profile... I think. Still hasn't cracked 30 goals, although he's on pace for 35 this year. Seems like there is a bit of drama with the kid and I'm always nervous about the francophone star in the Montreal spotlight. This can't be another Drouin situation. That said, we can't simply sit on all these picks and make safe moves. The Dach trade has worked out so far, but that was not a high risk move. HuGo are obviously looking to clear out some of the vets on the team, which makes sense but that will just open up cap space. I suspect they may want to lock up Caufield sooner rather than later, but at some point there's going to be a big trade/signing and you don't want to screw it up. I haven't been paying too much attention to what fans are clamoring for, but I thought the idea was to sign PLD as a UFA in the summer of 2024. Even if that does create a roster jam, I still think it's a good idea to sign star UFA's when the opportunity is there. It's found money. Even if we somehow manage to draft Bedard, I would still sign PLD. Even if it forces us to trade Dach or Suzuki, it's still a smart asset move. Let's say we're forced to trade Suzuki because of the roster jam, with a return similar to the Pacioretty deal. To summarize... Mtl gives away: Nick Suzuki Mtl acquires: PLD + Suzuki Jr + Tatar equivalent + 2nd Who wouldn't make that "trade"? Sure, maybe the prospect that we get back doesn't blossom into a Suzuki Jr, and maybe we strike out on the Tatar equivalent and draft pick. Great pieces are often acquired when teams trade away young stars. Buffalo came away with Thompson when they traded ROR, Colorado acquired Byram when they traded Duchene, Boston got a haul for Kessel, Wyatt Johnston came from Anthony Mantha... the list goes on. So if we create a situation in which we have too many stars on the team, there is a very attractive solution to that challenge. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jan 30, 2023 11:44:37 GMT -5
The Pierre-Luc Dubois thing... So how would this work? The guy is on a 1-year deal at $6mn and is RFA next year and could become a full UFA in the summer of 2024. Winnipeg is one of the best teams in the West this year so no incentive to trade him now. I guess the opportunity would be if Dubois refuses to sign a long-term deal this summer which could either force a trade or the Jets could sell him at the deadline or, if they are in the mix again, simply keep him all next year and let him walk as a UFA. I'm all for getting an immediate and meaningful talent upgrade and Dubois certainly fits the profile... I think. Still hasn't cracked 30 goals, although he's on pace for 35 this year. Seems like there is a bit of drama with the kid and I'm always nervous about the francophone star in the Montreal spotlight. This can't be another Drouin situation. That said, we can't simply sit on all these picks and make safe moves. The Dach trade has worked out so far, but that was not a high risk move. HuGo are obviously looking to clear out some of the vets on the team, which makes sense but that will just open up cap space. I suspect they may want to lock up Caufield sooner rather than later, but at some point there's going to be a big trade/signing and you don't want to screw it up. I haven't been paying too much attention to what fans are clamoring for, but I thought the idea was to sign PLD as a UFA in the summer of 2024. Even if that does create a roster jam, I still think it's a good idea to sign star UFA's when the opportunity is there. It's found money. Even if we somehow manage to draft Bedard, I would still sign PLD. Even if it forces us to trade Dach or Suzuki, it's still a smart asset move. Let's say we're forced to trade Suzuki because of the roster jam, with a return similar to the Pacioretty deal. To summarize... Mtl gives away: Nick Suzuki Mtl acquires: PLD + Suzuki Jr + Tatar equivalent + 2nd Who wouldn't make that "trade"? Sure, maybe the prospect that we get back doesn't blossom into a Suzuki Jr, and maybe we strike out on the Tatar equivalent and draft pick. Great pieces are often acquired when teams trade away young stars. Buffalo came away with Thompson when they traded ROR, Colorado acquired Byram when they traded Duchene, Boston got a haul for Kessel, Wyatt Johnston came from Anthony Mantha... the list goes on. So if we create a situation in which we have too many stars on the team, there is a very attractive solution to that challenge. Don’t want to rain on the parade but the Hab’s are a team that needs to improve just to get close to narrowly miss the playoffs. We are not one player away from anything. If Drouin rises to nhl form and our goaltending rises to Old Price form and defense improves and and and. We need to shed contracts just to get to Las Vegas Seattle stature. |
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Post by seventeen on Jan 30, 2023 14:38:13 GMT -5
I am waiting for summer 2024 to sign him. The Jets can trade us his rights after the playoffs are over for him and get a mid round pick if they want something at that point. This is me. There are two reasons for not trading for him. The first is an asset loss. Why give up something when you don't have to....if he's serious about coming to Montreal, which leads me smoothly into point #2. If he is serious (and committed) to becoming a Hab, you don't have to give up something for him. The value loss belongs almost entirely to the Jets, unless they trade him to someone else, who then has a rental for a year or less. But, you say, what if he really likes it where he gets traded to, say sunny Florida or one of the California teams? Well, that answers the second part of the matter, which is that he must not have been really committed to becoming a Hab and if so, would we want him on our team? Waiting for him to be a UFA is smart on every level. It requires discipline and commitment on our part, however, to not waver from the path of waiting. Hell, why would we need him next year anyway? It's going to be another development year. Contending is not in the cards, until the following year, which is exactly when we DO need him and he's free. |
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Post by seventeen on Jan 30, 2023 14:49:45 GMT -5
Who wouldn't make that "trade"? Sure, maybe the prospect that we get back doesn't blossom into a Suzuki Jr, and maybe we strike out on the Tatar equivalent and draft pick. Great pieces are often acquired when teams trade away young stars. Buffalo came away with Thompson when they traded ROR, Colorado acquired Byram when they traded Duchene, Boston got a haul for Kessel, Wyatt Johnston came from Anthony Mantha... the list goes on. So if we create a situation in which we have too many stars on the team, there is a very attractive solution to that challenge. I had trouble following that Mantha for Wyatt Johnston path, since Mantha got traded to Washington and Johnston is a Star. That's also an interesting situation regarding a) goaltenders and b) Yzerman's GM work. The pick that Detroit got for Mantha was used by Yzerman to move up in the 2021 draft to pick Sebastian Cossa. Stevie must have really wanted Cossa. But he gave up the pick that ended up being Johnson, a second and 5th rounder in order to do so. The 2nd rounder, Artem Grushnikov is a SAD, stay at home D, for Hamilton Bulldogs. Not putting up many points in his final juniour year. So if he's a bust, the trade becomes Johnston for Cossa. We won't be able to grade that for a while, until we know what Cossa becomes. He's in the ECHL right now, with an .896 save percentage so the immediate ruling, given how promising Johnston looks, is that Jim Nill has eaten Stevie Y's lunch. Goalies are weird, though, and Cossa has a few years to mature yet. Stay tuned. |
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Post by frozone on Jan 30, 2023 15:11:19 GMT -5
Who wouldn't make that "trade"? Sure, maybe the prospect that we get back doesn't blossom into a Suzuki Jr, and maybe we strike out on the Tatar equivalent and draft pick. Great pieces are often acquired when teams trade away young stars. Buffalo came away with Thompson when they traded ROR, Colorado acquired Byram when they traded Duchene, Boston got a haul for Kessel, Wyatt Johnston came from Anthony Mantha... the list goes on. So if we create a situation in which we have too many stars on the team, there is a very attractive solution to that challenge. I had trouble following that Mantha for Wyatt Johnston path, since Mantha got traded to Washington and Johnston is a Star. That's also an interesting situation regarding a) goaltenders and b) Yzerman's GM work. The pick that Detroit got for Mantha was used by Yzerman to move up in the 2021 draft to pick Sebastian Cossa. Stevie must have really wanted Cossa. But he gave up the pick that ended up being Johnson, a second and 5th rounder in order to do so. The 2nd rounder, Artem Grushnikov is a SAD, stay at home D, for Hamilton Bulldogs. Not putting up many points in his final juniour year. So if he's a bust, the trade becomes Johnston for Cossa. We won't be able to grade that for a while, until we know what Cossa becomes. He's in the ECHL right now, with an .896 save percentage so the immediate ruling, given how promising Johnston looks, is that Jim Nill has eaten Stevie Y's lunch. Goalies are weird, though, and Cossa has a few years to mature yet. Stay tuned. You got it. I definitely short circuited that example for brevity, but Stevie essentially traded Mantha for the pick that became Wyatt Johnston. Maybe I'm a little premature in adding that trade to the list above, but I am so impressed with Johnston that I had to put it in there. Jim Nill must be tickled pink over fleecing his former club on that trade. I look forward to the day when our lineup is loaded enough that we don't have the cap room to keep all of our coveted players and we are forced to ship one out for a king's ransom. And if I'm hearing your prayers correctly... perhaps that player will be Josh Anderson. |
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Post by Andrew on Jan 30, 2023 15:27:04 GMT -5
I find it difficult to imagine that Dubois will hit the open market following the 23/24 season. If he doubles down on his intent to leave Winnipeg then he'll be traded this offseason to a team that will sign him long term. Depending on the list of suitors that align with Dubois interests, that will influence the return Winnipeg gets - but the Habs will almost certainly have to trade for him if he's in their plans.
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Post by Cranky on Jan 30, 2023 15:35:08 GMT -5
Who is Dubois? And why do you people have a man crush on him?
(Old age makes me selectivly forgetful.)
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Post by Cranky on Jan 30, 2023 15:50:27 GMT -5
Now, imagine that core... and Bedard on an ELC for 3 years. In 3 years we'd have to sell off some guys to keep him and bribe someone to take Gallagher, but those 3 years could be fun. I just slipped on my drool... I can't take anyone seriously if they say "we don't need Dubois if we get Bedard". You always get as much talent as you can then sort out what you do with it after. You have the Five Horseman of The Apocolypse up front, every game starts with 3 goal advantage. You can contain one or two, but you can't contain all five of them. And of course, these young guys are going to run wild trying to outdo each other....while having a ball out there. I got to get a mop to clean up the drool... |
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Post by folatre on Jan 30, 2023 16:02:00 GMT -5
Well, in the case of most players, I would agree that a club in a predicament like Winnipeg could probably get the player to cooperate. However, Dubois has proven to be rather unconventional in terms of expressing how he felt about Columbus and how he approached the summer of 2022 contract talks with Winnipeg.
Time will say, but I just get the sense that he will not cooperate. Dubois does not seem like the kind of guy who feels he owes his employer anything extra or beyond the terms of the contract.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Jan 30, 2023 16:36:23 GMT -5
I find it difficult to imagine that Dubois will hit the open market following the 23/24 season. If he doubles down on his intent to leave Winnipeg then he'll be traded this offseason to a team that will sign him long term. Depending on the list of suitors that align with Dubois interests, that will influence the return Winnipeg gets - but the Habs will almost certainly have to trade for him if he's in their plans. I agree. If we really want PLD, then we'll need to be aggressive. The easiest path would be an offer sheet this summer. The compensation for a contract of >$8.4 million, would be a 1st, a 2nd, and a 3rd going to Winnipeg, which would be a pretty easy give. The problem is Winnipeg would say "we'll match any offer sheets" and then PLD would be stuck. The better option would be to just negotiate with the Jets on a better trade package. But again, Winnipeg would surely solicit offers from other teams and could swing a deal with someone else. I'm sure the Habs aren't the ONLY team he would play for. Either way I'm not sure we can count on PLD just sitting there as a 26-year old UFA in the summer 2024 and all we have to give up is $$. And even then there are no guarantees. The whole world was convinced that Johnny Gaudreau would sign as a UFA with New Jersey - local kid, team on the rise.... Nope. He took every last penny to go to freaking Columbus, one of the worst teams in the league. |
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Post by PTH on Jan 30, 2023 17:18:02 GMT -5
Either way I'm not sure we can count on PLD just sitting there as a 26-year old UFA in the summer 2024 and all we have to give up is $$. And even then there are no guarantees. The whole world was convinced that Johnny Gaudreau would sign as a UFA with New Jersey - local kid, team on the rise.... Nope. He took every last penny to go to freaking Columbus, one of the worst teams in the league. One non-negligible reason to trade for him would be to sign him for a more reasonable number before the cap goes, and for one fewer year. Plan A: sign him as a 26 year old UFA to a 7 year deal at 10M. Plan B: Trade for him at 25 and sign him to a 7 year deal at 8.5, in a sign and trade. Probably for something like Dvorak, Florida's first if it's not too high, or our second, and a good kid like Kidney or Harris, in a deal that's been discussed before we trade for him. Much lower risk than trying to outbid everyone for him, or not knowing if we'll even get him in the end. And frankly, I think the lottery does have an effect.... though I'm not sure in which direction. I'd think if we get Bedard, improving the lineup ASAP becomes important since we might have a 3 year window to win something. OTOH, locking up money in long-term deals might not be the best idea if we have a superstar to sign for max cap in 3 years. |
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Post by Cranky on Jan 30, 2023 17:33:47 GMT -5
The problem will be that teams will easily offer their first and something to get Dubois for 1 year. But that would be a late to very late first.
It then becomes a question of...do we give up a 10-12 round pick for him? Plus a bit of extra? Sure, if he's ready to take an 8x8. Better then waiting for the cap to go up and then need 10x8 to sign him.
Offer sheet is a HORRIBLE idea. They can match and Dubois done and gone forever. At which point they will haul a kings ransom auctioning off his 8x8 contract to the highest bidder. Offer sheet is absolute no go.
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Post by Andrew on Jan 30, 2023 18:40:32 GMT -5
Plan B: Trade for him at 25 and sign him to a 7 year deal at 8.5, in a sign and trade. Probably for something like Dvorak, Florida's first if it's not too high, or our second, and a good kid like Kidney or Harris, in a deal that's been discussed before we trade for him. Much lower risk than trying to outbid everyone for him, or not knowing if we'll even get him in the end. Horvat just landed a top 12 protected first round pick + middle six veteran forward and a B+ prospect. Looks pretty similar to what you've listed, and what the Jets might reasonably expect in a trade for Dubois. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jan 30, 2023 18:40:46 GMT -5
Monahan not skating again today. Habs to update on his status by the end of the week. With Horvat dealt today, the dominoes start and that should include a healthy Monahan. A big if right now.
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Post by folatre on Jan 30, 2023 19:31:17 GMT -5
Well, after the game against Ottawa tomorrow, the Habs do not play again until 11 February, so one would imagine this window gives Monahan time.
Vancouver got enough for Horvat, I suppose. Though I do not think they robbed the Islanders by any means because my presumption is Lamoriello entered into these trade talks with permission to talk with Horvat's agent about a long-term deal. Therefore, it would not surprise me at all if New York is ready to go the distance with Horvat and that an extension will be announced soon enough.
But, hey, good for the Canucks to finally pick a lane and implicitly acknowledge a rebuild. I have always liked Beauvillier, but he has never quite figured it out and he is one more season away from being a UFA. Vancouver needs to pray that Raty can become a decent third line NHL centre. Frankly, I do not see anything more than that. And in the 2023 draft, a pick in the 13-18 range should be a piece with plenty of potential.
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Post by habsorbed on Jan 30, 2023 23:26:44 GMT -5
Well, in the case of most players, I would agree that a club in a predicament like Winnipeg could probably get the player to cooperate. However, Dubois has proven to be rather unconventional in terms of expressing how he felt about Columbus and how he approached the summer of 2022 contract talks with Winnipeg. Time will say, but I just get the sense that he will not cooperate. Dubois does not seem like the kind of guy who feels he owes his employer anything extra or beyond the terms of the contract. This is why I say wait until he's an FA. Dubois has a lot of warning signs that he looks after himself first, not the team. Cooperates when he wants to. That being the case, let him show he truly wants to come to Mtl and is prepared to wait until he's an FA, regardless of what team he plays for the next year and a half. If he wants to go to the sun or where there is more money then let him go - I'm not interested. Unless the Jets are prepared to take a Horvath type deal and let us talk contract before the trade, I'm waiting until he's a FA. |
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Post by habsorbed on Jan 30, 2023 23:31:50 GMT -5
Well, after the game against Ottawa tomorrow, the Habs do not play again until 11 February, so one would imagine this window gives Monahan time. Vancouver got enough for Horvat, I suppose. Though I do not think they robbed the Islanders by any means because my presumption is Lamoriello entered into these trade talks with permission to talk with Horvat's agent about a long-term deal. Therefore, it would not surprise me at all if New York is ready to go the distance with Horvat and that an extension will be announced soon enough. But, hey, good for the Canucks to finally pick a lane and implicitly acknowledge a rebuild. I have always liked Beauvillier, but he has never quite figured it out and he is one more season away from being a UFA. Vancouver needs to pray that Raty can become a decent third line NHL centre. Frankly, I do not see anything more than that. And in the 2023 draft, a pick in the 13-18 range should be a piece with plenty of potential. There is no way NYI made this trade without a contract agreed to with Horvath. Otherwise he is a true rental and that is way too much to pay by NYI who even with Horvath may not make the playoffs. Gauranteed the new contract will be announced shortly. The big win for us is that hopefully NYI's drive to the playoffs will push Fla further to the bottom. |
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Post by jkr on Jan 31, 2023 9:32:30 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised by a long term deal for Horvat either. The Isles did the same thing when they traded for Pageau.
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Post by seventeen on Jan 31, 2023 15:10:46 GMT -5
I find it difficult to imagine that Dubois will hit the open market following the 23/24 season. If he doubles down on his intent to leave Winnipeg then he'll be traded this offseason to a team that will sign him long term. Depending on the list of suitors that align with Dubois interests, that will influence the return Winnipeg gets - but the Habs will almost certainly have to trade for him if he's in their plans. But doesn't that situation give you pause? I (and presumably most Hab fans) want players who are committed to the CH and to the city, not guys who say they are and then change their minds. We've seen a few of those. That's why just waiting for Dubois to become a UFA is an uncomplicated decision. If he signs, Wunderbar! We are even better than we were before. If he doesn't sign, it means the commitment is not there and it wouldn't work out and would be disruptive. That strategy costs us nothing. Trading for him costs us assets. Furthermore, we aren't winning anything next year. Why give up something we can use in the future, to improve slightly a year or two before we are contenders? |
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Post by seventeen on Jan 31, 2023 15:15:37 GMT -5
Plan B: Trade for him at 25 and sign him to a 7 year deal at 8.5, in a sign and trade. Probably for something like Dvorak, Florida's first if it's not too high, or our second, and a good kid like Kidney or Harris, in a deal that's been discussed before we trade for him. Much lower risk than trying to outbid everyone for him, or not knowing if we'll even get him in the end. Horvat just landed a top 12 protected first round pick + middle six veteran forward and a B+ prospect. Looks pretty similar to what you've listed, and what the Jets might reasonably expect in a trade for Dubois. Horvat is 3 years older and Dubois is trending up while Horvat is having a career year, yet their career ppg are similar (Dubois with slight advantage). PL Dubois would cost a bit more IMO. |
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Post by seventeen on Jan 31, 2023 15:23:42 GMT -5
Well, after the game against Ottawa tomorrow, the Habs do not play again until 11 February, so one would imagine this window gives Monahan time. Vancouver got enough for Horvat, I suppose. Though I do not think they robbed the Islanders by any means because my presumption is Lamoriello entered into these trade talks with permission to talk with Horvat's agent about a long-term deal. Therefore, it would not surprise me at all if New York is ready to go the distance with Horvat and that an extension will be announced soon enough. But, hey, good for the Canucks to finally pick a lane and implicitly acknowledge a rebuild. I have always liked Beauvillier, but he has never quite figured it out and he is one more season away from being a UFA. Vancouver needs to pray that Raty can become a decent third line NHL centre. Frankly, I do not see anything more than that. And in the 2023 draft, a pick in the 13-18 range should be a piece with plenty of potential. Im not sure Lou talked to Horvat's agent ahead of time, but who knows? It's not like tampering is unheard of. According to Friedeman, Vancourer did not allow other teams to talk to Horvat, but again...who tells the truth? Actions speak, though. If there was something in place, my guess is Vancouver would have done better in the deal. Hell, David Savard got a first round pick (a late one, naturally) as a rental. Vancouver;s pick is either 13 or worse, or a first rounder next year which doesn't have the high end talent of this year. Beauvillier is a kid I have always liked, but his career ppg is .46 which is good 3rd line territory. Raty is a prospect that isn't valued very highly by most teams given that he dropped from top 3 to 52nd from D-1 to his draft year. Nothing since then seems to have altered that judgment, putting up half a point per game in the AHL. He'd be behind a lot of our guys if he was in our system. My only question is that all the sports accouncers keep calling him Atoooo Ratoooo. Is that right or does it just roll off the tongue better than Aatooo Rateeee? How is it pronounced in Finnish? |
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