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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 23, 2023 11:52:38 GMT -5
I'm all for getting Dubois if we can keep Anderson... I want a 2nd line of Dubois-Dach-Anderson...that could be the biggest forward line in habs history
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Post by habsorbed on Feb 23, 2023 14:02:16 GMT -5
I'm all for getting Dubois if we can keep Anderson... I want a 2nd line of Dubois-Dach-Anderson...that could be the biggest forward line in habs history The DAD line, playing against boys! |
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 23, 2023 16:30:10 GMT -5
I'm all for getting Dubois if we can keep Anderson... I want a 2nd line of Dubois-Dach-Anderson...that could be the biggest forward line in habs history The DAD line, playing against boys! I prefer the A.D.D line.. you'll need Ritalin when their done with you |
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Post by seventeen on Feb 23, 2023 17:36:40 GMT -5
I kind of wish we'd taken Zaitsev for a 2nd... buying him out will cost 2.8 on the cap next season, and only 800K the year after, so very little impact on the cap for a likely top 40 or top 45 pick. Zaitsev is a sieve on defense. That was a CAP driven move. Ottawa wanted the space for ......? |
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Post by PTH on Feb 23, 2023 20:34:01 GMT -5
I kind of wish we'd taken Zaitsev for a 2nd... buying him out will cost 2.8 on the cap next season, and only 800K the year after, so very little impact on the cap for a likely top 40 or top 45 pick. Zaitsev is a sieve on defense. That was a CAP driven move. Ottawa wanted the space for ......? If the goal is to buy him out, who cares if he's a sieve ? I mean, we could play him ahead of Shuenemann until we buy him out this summer, and a pick around 45 would've been nice. |
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Post by Cranky on Feb 23, 2023 20:37:43 GMT -5
I'm all for getting Dubois if we can keep Anderson... I want a 2nd line of Dubois-Dach-Anderson...that could be the biggest forward line in habs history Dach has shown a nasty side to him. Dubois has it in spades. Anderson not so much other then being aggressive. The upside is when you put a line like t hat together, they will attract a lot of physicality AND of course, give back far more. When Lindros was paired with LeClair, LeClair PIMs shot up for a few seasons. I expect the same thing if you got three guys who will live on distributing pain. Wouldn't be surprised if we have all three into 100 PIMS plus. |
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Post by seventeen on Feb 24, 2023 0:51:56 GMT -5
Zaitsev is a sieve on defense. That was a CAP driven move. Ottawa wanted the space for ......? If the goal is to buy him out, who cares if he's a sieve ? I mean, we could play him ahead of Shuenemann until we buy him out this summer, and a pick around 45 would've been nice. Oops. Didn’t notice the pick attached to that. Good question. The sieviness would have been a benefit. Maybe the $$ theyd have to eat was too much. |
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Post by PTH on Feb 26, 2023 23:39:36 GMT -5
With Tampa Bay spending just about all their available trade chips to get Jeannot, I gotta wonder if there's going to be some level of panic in Toronto, seeing their near-certain 1st rounder adversaries loading up.
If I'm Hughes, I'm wondering if someone will panic and go for the kind of overpayment he's wanted for Anderson from the start.
Knies and 2nd/3d/4th/5th rounders ?
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Post by folatre on Feb 27, 2023 0:04:18 GMT -5
Toronto no doubt likes Anderson. But I think they see Knies (not sure why if you are real contender with the brass ba*** to chase to chase the Cup) as a near untouchable. If the Leafs add anything more it will be a Schenn type angle and it will not involve Knies.
Tampa's bottom six is going to absolutely batter a slowish-softish d-man like Sandin in a seven game series. The forecheck is going to be painful and relentless.
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Post by Tankdriver on Feb 27, 2023 0:08:46 GMT -5
Look what NJ gave up for Meier and Lightning for Jeannot. If only Monahan wasn't hurt.
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Post by habsorbed on Feb 27, 2023 0:25:31 GMT -5
Look what NJ gave up for Meier and Lightning for Jeannot. If only Monahan wasn't hurt. Meier was an Ok price. Jeannot seems ridiculous. He's an FA at the end of the season and given the season he's having, I don't see him being a major contributor this year. If Monahan was healthy, HuGo could have got what TB paid and more. HuGo's plan with Monahan and Davidnov was brilliant. Unfortunately, the cards did not play well. The deals nonetheless helped us, but they could have been jackpots. |
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Post by jkr on Feb 27, 2023 8:17:26 GMT -5
Toronto no doubt likes Anderson. But I think they see Knies (not sure why if you are real contender with the brass ba*** to chase to chase the Cup) as a near untouchable. If the Leafs add anything more it will be a Schenn type angle and it will not involve Knies. Tampa's bottom six is going to absolutely batter a slowish-softish d-man like Sandin in a seven game series. The forecheck is going to be painful and relentless. I don't follow prospects like some here so I have to rely on the numbers. I've seen comments from Leaf fans before about Knies, that he just cannot be moved. When I look at his numbers I see a guy with good size who has averaged a PPG in the USHL and the NCAA. But I also see a guy who will be 21 in the fall and has never played a game of pro hockey. I don't see "untouchable" there. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 27, 2023 9:01:59 GMT -5
Toronto no doubt likes Anderson. But I think they see Knies (not sure why if you are real contender with the brass ba*** to chase to chase the Cup) as a near untouchable. If the Leafs add anything more it will be a Schenn type angle and it will not involve Knies. Tampa's bottom six is going to absolutely batter a slowish-softish d-man like Sandin in a seven game series. The forecheck is going to be painful and relentless. I don't follow prospects like some here so I have to rely on the numbers. I've seen comments from Leaf fans before about Knies, that he just cannot be moved. When I look at his numbers I see a guy with good size who has averaged a PPG in the USHL and the NCAA. But I also see a guy who will be 21 in the fall and has never played a game of pro hockey. I don't see "untouchable" there. I expect the pressure to build on Dubas to do something... not sure if the can take on Andersons cap hit if Hughes does not want to retain... Question, can you retain a different percentage in each of the remaining years or must the percentage be the same across years... front or back load the retention... You have a big cap hit coming off the books in 2 years... Get a player from another team and in Year 1 they retain 80% Year 2 they retain 80% Year 3 they retain 20% Year 4 they retain 20% |
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Post by jkr on Feb 27, 2023 9:06:51 GMT -5
I don't follow prospects like some here so I have to rely on the numbers. I've seen comments from Leaf fans before about Knies, that he just cannot be moved. When I look at his numbers I see a guy with good size who has averaged a PPG in the USHL and the NCAA. But I also see a guy who will be 21 in the fall and has never played a game of pro hockey. I don't see "untouchable" there. I expect the pressure to build on Dubas to do something... not sure if the can take on Andersons cap hit if Hughes does not want to retain... Question, can you retain a different percentage in each of the remaining years or must the percentage be the same across years The best forwards on Toronto with exception of Tavares are in their mid 20s now. Why are they hung up on a guy that's almost 21 and has never played pro. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 27, 2023 10:11:11 GMT -5
I expect the pressure to build on Dubas to do something... not sure if the can take on Andersons cap hit if Hughes does not want to retain... Question, can you retain a different percentage in each of the remaining years or must the percentage be the same across years The best forwards on Toronto with exception of Tavares are in their mid 20s now. Why are they hung up on a guy that's almost 21 and have played pro. The cupboard is bare and if nostrils leaves then what... |
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Post by Skilly on Feb 27, 2023 10:52:10 GMT -5
Look what NJ gave up for Meier and Lightning for Jeannot. If only Monahan wasn't hurt. Meier was an Ok price. Jeannot seems ridiculous. He's an FA at the end of the season and given the season he's having, I don't see him being a major contributor this year. If Monahan was healthy, HuGo could have got what TB paid and more. HuGo's plan with Monahan and Davidnov was brilliant. Unfortunately, the cards did not play well. The deals nonetheless helped us, but they could have been jackpots. So the going rate on a 25 yr old, with 2 years NHL experience, 41 point guy in his rookie season, and with 14 points in 56 in his sophomore year is: A first round pick A second round pick A third round pick A fourth round pick A fifth round pick And a former first round defense man WHAT THE ****!!! |
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Post by Tankdriver on Feb 27, 2023 12:45:57 GMT -5
I don't follow prospects like some here so I have to rely on the numbers. I've seen comments from Leaf fans before about Knies, that he just cannot be moved. When I look at his numbers I see a guy with good size who has averaged a PPG in the USHL and the NCAA. But I also see a guy who will be 21 in the fall and has never played a game of pro hockey. I don't see "untouchable" there. I expect the pressure to build on Dubas to do something... not sure if the can take on Andersons cap hit if Hughes does not want to retain... Question, can you retain a different percentage in each of the remaining years or must the percentage be the same across years... front or back load the retention... You have a big cap hit coming off the books in 2 years... Get a player from another team and in Year 1 they retain 80% Year 2 they retain 80% Year 3 they retain 20% Year 4 they retain 20% Nope. It has to be the same in each year. If is why you don't see teams trading and retaining on multiple years for players. The only exception I can recall with many years is Phil Kessel. The Leafs were retaining 1.5 million per year I think. |
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Post by Tankdriver on Feb 27, 2023 12:49:52 GMT -5
Meier was an Ok price. Jeannot seems ridiculous. He's an FA at the end of the season and given the season he's having, I don't see him being a major contributor this year. If Monahan was healthy, HuGo could have got what TB paid and more. HuGo's plan with Monahan and Davidnov was brilliant. Unfortunately, the cards did not play well. The deals nonetheless helped us, but they could have been jackpots. So the going rate on a 25 yr old, with 2 years NHL experience, 41 point guy in his rookie season, and with 14 points in 56 in his sophomore year is: A first round pick A second round pick A third round pick A fourth round pick A fifth round pick And a former first round defense man WHAT THE ****!!! I agree. That's crazy. Plus Jeannot was not even drafted. Check out Tampa's draft picks for the next 3 years. They don't have a pick until round 6 this year and a pick until round 3 next year. They don't even need to hire a scout team for the next year. www.capfriendly.com/teams/lightning |
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Post by Tankdriver on Feb 27, 2023 13:09:04 GMT -5
Loved the guy, but man if Hughes could offload Gallagher he'd be a god. I think it is basically the only albatros contract that is impossible to deal left on the team. The rest are all under 4.5 million and Price will be LTIR for the rest of his contract.. Remove that 6.5 and I think you are now able to go which ever way you want forward.
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 27, 2023 13:10:48 GMT -5
I expect the pressure to build on Dubas to do something... not sure if the can take on Andersons cap hit if Hughes does not want to retain... Question, can you retain a different percentage in each of the remaining years or must the percentage be the same across years... front or back load the retention... You have a big cap hit coming off the books in 2 years... Get a player from another team and in Year 1 they retain 80% Year 2 they retain 80% Year 3 they retain 20% Year 4 they retain 20% Nope. It has to be the same in each year. If is why you don't see teams trading and retaining on multiple years for players. The only exception I can recall with many years is Phil Kessel. The Leafs were retaining 1.5 million per year I think. Ok cool |
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 27, 2023 13:12:46 GMT -5
Loved the guy, but man if Hughes could offload Gallagher he'd be a god. I think it is basically the only albatros contract that is impossible to deal left on the team. The rest are all under 4.5 million and Price will be LTIR for the rest of his contract.. Remove that 6.5 and I think you are now able to go which ever way you want forward. Unfortunately bGal ain't going anywhere... if he get a few more pucks to the hand he could be on ltir but that's about it I think. |
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Post by Tankdriver on Feb 27, 2023 14:08:26 GMT -5
Leafs just traded away more picks....Man the East is going to change in a few years time. Will be Habs, Wings, Sens, Saberes fighting it out.
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Post by jkr on Feb 27, 2023 14:59:39 GMT -5
Leafs just traded away more picks....Man the East is going to change in a few years time. Will be Habs, Wings, Sens, Saberes fighting it out. TSN just can't help themselves. They have a article already staying that Jake McCabe could be the "quiet prize" of the trade deadline. They don't even try to hide the pro Toronto bias. And Leafs wonder why the rest of the country can't stand them. |
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Post by folatre on Feb 27, 2023 17:14:06 GMT -5
McCabe is solid, but I believe Gavrikov and for that matter Edmundson are harder d-men to play against.
The whole Lafferty thing, I just don't get it. This dude is 27 years old and his ppg in the NHL is identical to Michael Pezzetta. This is certainly not a buyer's market if the price of a fourth liner is a second round pick.
I hear you, Tank. It would take a miracle for Hughes to offload the terrible Gallagher contract. There are just a confluence of factors (too much term, bloated AAV, serious real money owed on deal, injury prone, productivity fell off cliff) that make it nearly impossible.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 27, 2023 19:29:53 GMT -5
Meier was an Ok price. Jeannot seems ridiculous. He's an FA at the end of the season and given the season he's having, I don't see him being a major contributor this year. If Monahan was healthy, HuGo could have got what TB paid and more. HuGo's plan with Monahan and Davidnov was brilliant. Unfortunately, the cards did not play well. The deals nonetheless helped us, but they could have been jackpots. So the going rate on a 25 yr old, with 2 years NHL experience, 41 point guy in his rookie season, and with 14 points in 56 in his sophomore year is: A first round pick A second round pick A third round pick A fourth round pick A fifth round pick And a former first round defense man WHAT THE ****!!! I don't think Foote is going to be anything like his dad. It's more of a salary dump. Tampa is hoping those picks are late, of course. Still that doesn't excuse giving up anything for a guy you could probably get cheaply from most teams in the league. It's all perception that Jeannot is more than the sum of his parts. Non. |
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Post by folatre on Feb 27, 2023 21:54:59 GMT -5
It is hard to judge d-men too early in their careers. What is the old adage, it takes about 250 games in the NHL to get a good read on how a young d-man is truly progressing. But even so, in chunks of three NHL seasons, Foote has never made me say wow this kid is going to be real stalwart. Maybe his size and bloodlines made scouts overate him during his days in the W.
Tampa operates differently than almost any organization in the league right now. Their owner believes great teams worry about winning championships rather than holding onto assets for the future. I suppose when the Lightning are no longer great, then everyone will have to make a strategic pivot and start embarking on a recallibration in which draft picks will again be viewed as important.
Nasty power forwards like Jeannot are graded on a different scale, so it would not surprise me if a number of crazy offers came in for him. He is clearly not worth all of those picks, though I suspect BriseBois already got to talk to this kid's agent and they are probably close to inking a long-term deal.
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Post by Cranky on Feb 28, 2023 1:18:19 GMT -5
So if X develops into a top 4, his going rate is...
1 1st
2 2nds
3 3rd
4 4ths
5 5ths
And a partridge in a pare tree....
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Post by habsorbed on Feb 28, 2023 1:32:04 GMT -5
So if X develops into a top 4, his going rate is... 1 1st 2 2nds 3 3rd 4 4ths 5 5ths And a partridge in a pare tree.... I'll take the partridge for Hoffmam straight up! |
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Post by PTH on Feb 28, 2023 17:22:46 GMT -5
I can't believe the number of trades going down.
Kane to NYR, Toronto shipped off Sandin and Engvall to free up room to bring in Schenn...
I have to wonder if Hughes has something up his sleeve, I expected the Habs to retain in the Kane deal, but maybe with Edmundson playing he'll be movable, and with Monahan... well, you just can't know what's up with him.
I wonder if Monahan might go to Carolina - one of the only teams that can take him on at his full cap hit.
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Post by jkr on Feb 28, 2023 17:50:53 GMT -5
Leafs trade Sandin to Caps for Gustavsson and a first. Seems like an overpayment by Washington.
Maybe Toronto had to take him to get the 1st. Didnt Dubas see him in the 2021 playoffs. EG was awful.
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