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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 30, 2023 6:40:32 GMT -5
From what I've heard, Michkov did not want to join the Habs....hence we draft the next best player. Apparently some inside the organization are comparing Reinbacher to Shea Weber lite. Big shot, loves to hit and will punish anyone in front of the net. Wait and see I guess. I was originally gobsmacked by the pick, but after thinking about it more, it's usually not a bad thing to pick the best defenceman in the draft ... welcome to Montreal, David Reinbacher ... Cheers. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 30, 2023 6:45:51 GMT -5
I think I'm trying to convince myself that we didn't miss out on anything special. I just felt the draft didn't live up to the media hype ... the media were talking about all the 'pending deals' that were coming, and ... plop ... I'm good with Alex Newhook joining the rank and file, but I was expecting more ... Cheers. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jun 30, 2023 7:33:49 GMT -5
All i can say aboutvthe 5th pick is...Poor Carey, he will be a meme forever Carey just couldn’t believe they didn’t choose Michkov. What would happen if Carey chose Michkov by mistake against the wishes of the scouts. Could the team submit a correction? Let’s remember Carey in a positive light for his good years and not make him an ambassador in a role he is not suited for. |
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Post by jkr on Jun 30, 2023 7:55:10 GMT -5
From what I've heard, Michkov did not want to join the Habs....hence we draft the next best player. Apparently some inside the organization are comparing Reinbacher to Shea Weber lite. Big shot, loves to hit and will punish anyone in front of the net. Wait and see I guess. I read that he had an interview with Montreal. I wonder if that's true if he didn't want to play for them. |
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Post by Polarice on Jun 30, 2023 8:10:44 GMT -5
From what I've heard, Michkov did not want to join the Habs....hence we draft the next best player. Apparently some inside the organization are comparing Reinbacher to Shea Weber lite. Big shot, loves to hit and will punish anyone in front of the net. Wait and see I guess. I read that he had an interview with Montreal. I wonder if that's true if he didn't want to play for them. What was told to me was that he had a short interview with Montreal early in the week to let them know that he was not interested in playing for the Canadiens. That's when Montreal decided to take Reinbacher and looked to see if they could trade their 5th because they though he would be available later in the draft. Then they heard through sources that Arizona was gonna grab him at 6th so they decided to stand pat. That's all I know about it...take it with a grain of salt. |
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Post by CentreHice on Jun 30, 2023 8:33:38 GMT -5
I read that he had an interview with Montreal. I wonder if that's true if he didn't want to play for them. What was told to me was that he had a short interview with Montreal early in the week to let them know that he was not interested in playing for the Canadiens. That's when Montreal decided to take Reinbacher and looked to see if they could trade their 5th because they though he would be available later in the draft. Then they heard through sources that Arizona was gonna grab him at 6th so they decided to stand pat. That's all I know about it...take it with a grain of salt. Seeing as Arizona also passed on Michkov, and picked a d-man--that's a very plausible explanation of events--and arguably an astute decision, if so. Michkov doesn't want to play for us--fine. Let's get the best dman in the class.Perhaps we should've selected an offensive forward (Leonard)...but Arizona would've certainly selected Reinbacher, as they didn't pick Leonard either. EDIT: One would think Arizona could've used a high-powered prospect like Michkov....but, if the above is true, perhaps he gave the Yotes the Habs' treatment-- Not interested. |
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Post by Boston_Habs on Jun 30, 2023 9:35:09 GMT -5
I'm over it. I'm now pivoting to the tank portion of the rebuild is over, the grace period for HuGo and Marty is over, and it's time to show progress on the ice. Something in the 80-85 points range. Suzuki needs to go from a 60-65 point guy to an 80-point guy, Caufield needs to stay healthy and score 35-40, Dach needs to justify not trading him for Dubois, the young D corps needs to make a jump in development, and Brendan Gallagher needs to get his ass in shape and stay on the ice. Really, that goes for the whole team. The injury thing is weird but I wonder if a lot of these guys just aren't in the right kind of shape.
As for Reinbacher, one thing I like given his mature defensive game is he's probably just 1 year away from playing in the NHL. If nothing else, that creates a potential surplus of D (Guhle, Harris, Barron, Reinbacher, Hutson, Engstrom) that can be used as stock for a potential trade to address other needs. You always want to be able to deal from a position of strength - like Tampa did when they traded Drouin for Sergachev because they already had Brayden Point.
Onward and upward.
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Post by Bobs_HABit on Jun 30, 2023 10:09:33 GMT -5
From what I've heard, Michkov did not want to join the Habs....hence we draft the next best player. Apparently some inside the organization are comparing Reinbacher to Shea Weber lite. Big shot, loves to hit and will punish anyone in front of the net. Wait and see I guess. I was originally gobsmacked by the pick, but after thinking about it more, it's usually not a bad thing to pick the best defenceman in the draft ... welcome to Montreal, David Reinbacher ... Cheers. This is where I am Rick. Potentially the best D in the draft or a player that was so amazing 6 teams passed him by?!? Was surprised at all the negative reaction as you would have thought we had the 1st pick overall. Regardless, usually the anointed draft losers turn out to be winners and vice versa so we will see how it plays out. I was more surprised at the run on goaltenders and over-agers on day 2. Might give a sign on why they were so willing to deal two picks in the 30s as they obviously didn't see much out there that they liked. |
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Post by folatre on Jun 30, 2023 10:35:40 GMT -5
Yes, the fact that Reinbacher was an impact player as a teenager in a good men's league speaks volumes about his talent and hockey smarts.
In contrast, one of the warning signs regarding Slafkovsky (not so much the decision to select him, though time may not be kind to that choice, but rather the decision to bring him to the NHL as an 18 year old) was that he was not an impact player in Liiga.
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Post by Andrew on Jun 30, 2023 11:51:12 GMT -5
Time will tell, as today is only a snapshot in time for all of these kids in their development trajectories. There was no shortage of hype and inflated expectations going into the draft, and that naturally led to a feeling of disappointment with the Habs going for the safe, unsexy pick. But maybe this kid will help lead to future early-June excitement rather than late-June.
I like the makeup of our D going forward. The departure of Markov and then retirement of Weber left out defensive depth in shambles. It finally feels like we have the pieces in place to contend on defense.
Despite all of our young depth on D, only Guhle has distinguished himself as unequivocally top 4 material. There’s reason to be hopeful about our other young D & prospects, in that regard, but with adding Reinbacher we have another likely sure-bet top 4 defender.
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Post by Tankdriver on Jun 30, 2023 11:59:30 GMT -5
Yes, the fact that Reinbacher was an impact player as a teenager in a good men's league speaks volumes about his talent and hockey smarts. In contrast, one of the warning signs regarding Slafkovsky (not so much the decision to select him, though time may not be kind to that choice, but rather the decision to bring him to the NHL as an 18 year old) was that he was not an impact player in Liiga. Logan Cooley might be the best player from that draft. He looked good last year. |
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Post by seventeen on Jun 30, 2023 12:05:05 GMT -5
From what I've heard, Michkov did not want to join the Habs....hence we draft the next best player. Apparently some inside the organization are comparing Reinbacher to Shea Weber lite. Big shot, loves to hit and will punish anyone in front of the net. Wait and see I guess. Maybe it was his age, but I don't exactly recall Shea Weber laying out big hits. Cross checks, oh yeah. Hugs, you bet. Big hits? Not so much.. |
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Post by seventeen on Jun 30, 2023 12:14:33 GMT -5
Yes, the fact that Reinbacher was an impact player as a teenager in a good men's league speaks volumes about his talent and hockey smarts. In contrast, one of the warning signs regarding Slafkovsky (not so much the decision to select him, though time may not be kind to that choice, but rather the decision to bring him to the NHL as an 18 year old) was that he was not an impact player in Liiga. Logan Cooley might be the best player from that draft. He looked good last year. I'm not giving up on Slaf yet. My eye test last year told me he was a half step behind getting to places. His reads were fine and he is supposed to have a good shot. I think losing 20 lbs and strengthening overall will look after that missing half step. I sure hope Slaf has been Nicolas' #1 project since the injury. If we had a physically dominating winger, look out. Eventually I want to see our bottom 6 look more like "almost" second lines. If we are going to be a little short on elite talent up front, I want to prey on the weaker parts of other teams, namely their bottom 6. That's not to say guys like Slaf, Caufield, Suzuki and Dach can't become elite players. I also like Newhook better than most, and I think he'll top out as a very good second liner. |
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Post by Tankdriver on Jun 30, 2023 12:47:08 GMT -5
Logan Cooley might be the best player from that draft. He looked good last year. I'm not giving up on Slaf yet. My eye test last year told me he was a half step behind getting to places. His reads were fine and he is supposed to have a good shot. I think losing 20 lbs and strengthening overall will look after that missing half step. I sure hope Slaf has been Nicolas' #1 project since the injury. If we had a physically dominating winger, look out. Eventually I want to see our bottom 6 look more like "almost" second lines. If we are going to be a little short on elite talent up front, I want to prey on the weaker parts of other teams, namely their bottom 6. That's not to say guys like Slaf, Caufield, Suzuki and Dach can't become elite players. I also like Newhook better than most, and I think he'll top out as a very good second liner. That's the catch though. Those top 4 have to pan out. I'm crossing my fingers that Joshua Roy becomes a second line winger. He's done very well in Sherbrooke. We still need that superstar though because we are putting a lot of eggs into the "hope" basket. Was looking at the 2024 FA list. Matthews, Aho, Nylander, Pettersson, Hanifin are all in their prime. Hellebuck and Scheifele are at the end of their prime. Stamkos, Kopitar, Voracek are past their prime. Guys that make you feel old all of a sudden: Eberle is 33. I remember his junior goal like it was yesterday. www.spotrac.com/nhl/free-agents/2024/?ref=trending-pages |
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Post by Cranky on Jun 30, 2023 14:43:12 GMT -5
I think I'm trying to convince myself that we didn't miss out on anything special. I just felt the draft didn't live up to the media hype ... the media were talking about all the 'pending deals' that were coming, and ... plop ... I'm good with Alex Newhook joining the rank and file, but I was expecting more ... Cheers. After ANOTHER miserable regular season I was expecting that the was going to be our turnaround time. Dubois and Mickov, or at least a trade for Michkov that will finally be our pivot time. We get a 30 point reclamation project and future defenseman that we hope turns out top 4 in 3-4 yesrs. That's just not good enough and just more of the same "hope" copium. And of course, the never ending irritation at Mol$on raking it in while we gobble tankers of copium. I get this vision of Mol$on laughing and belching..."let them eat copium"...while he stuffs his pockets with money. You may be disgruntled, I'm disgusted and exhausted... |
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Post by Tankdriver on Jun 30, 2023 15:15:15 GMT -5
While I don't disagree with your assessment Uber, Molson did shell out the most in salary if it makes you feel any better. Even if you look at it now, we are over the cap but with Price going LTIR we should have some space. It really is in 2 years were things are really good for us. You can thanks Bergy and his crappy contracts.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 30, 2023 17:30:21 GMT -5
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Post by seventeen on Jun 30, 2023 17:36:26 GMT -5
Couple of things from another Athletic Support AMA with Arpon Basu. In his discussions in Nashville with various hockey people, there was a lot of interest in moving up to #5, but (and this is the interesting part) not to pick Michkov but to pick Orville. There seems to have been a lot of interest in Reinbacher.
Another point was that Bobrov is supposed to have a lot of connections in Russia so he should have had good info on Michkov. Basu replied that not picking Michkov may precisely be because they had more info on Michkov. Michkov might be a superstar in waiting or a headache in waiting.
In another article, Reinbacher's coach or GM stated their opinion that Orville does a lot of things very well. He has few if any, obvious weaknesses. That tends to make people think he's a finished product, because there's nothing obvious he needs to work on. It doesn't mean he can't get better that all those skills, but it lowers the perception of what his ceiling could be. That seems true to me. It is harder to visualize someone getting better if there's no obvious weakness, that once corrected, suddenly boosts the rest of his game.
Just some info and thoughts.
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Post by Skilly on Jun 30, 2023 18:07:06 GMT -5
Yes, the fact that Reinbacher was an impact player as a teenager in a good men's league speaks volumes about his talent and hockey smarts. In contrast, one of the warning signs regarding Slafkovsky (not so much the decision to select him, though time may not be kind to that choice, but rather the decision to bring him to the NHL as an 18 year old) was that he was not an impact player in Liiga. Logan Cooley might be the best player from that draft. He looked good last year. Morgan Geekie is now a UFA Arizona should sign him. Then they'd have Cooley and Geekie |
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Post by Cranky on Jun 30, 2023 19:41:57 GMT -5
Sheesh...this just reeks of...showing of the shiny new car.
If there was some kind of practice, great, but if they opened the arena so Reinbacher can skate for a minute, that's big time amateur hour.
I'm pretty sure they got feedback that a lot of Hab fans are disappointed with the Dubois debacle. That is likely been the reason for the Newhouse Plan B and this shiny new car tweet.
They need to do a lot more to fill my copium tank...
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Post by Cranky on Jun 30, 2023 19:49:14 GMT -5
While I don't disagree with your assessment Uber, Molson did shell out the most in salary if it makes you feel any better. Even if you look at it now, we are over the cap but with Price going LTIR we should have some space. It really is in 2 years were things are really good for us. You can thanks Bergy and his crappy contracts. Molson would be far more focused on winning if there were the Nordiques ready to steal fans or impending boycott to hurt his bottom line. Does he want to win? Sure. Must he win or lose fans? Not a chance. That is why I'm hard on him. He took forever to change management and now he's into the slow and steady. Thirty years... |
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Post by jkr on Jul 1, 2023 7:23:34 GMT -5
What was Michkov's deal anyway? Was he meeting with teams to say Idont want to play with you?
And was Philly where he wanted to end up? Other than kids from Philadelphia, who dreams of playing for the Flyers?
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Post by Skilly on Jul 1, 2023 9:09:12 GMT -5
What was Michkov's deal anyway? Was he meeting with teams to say Idont want to play with you? And was Philly where he wanted to end up? Other than kids from Philadelphia, who dreams of playing for the Flyers? Philly treats their Russians like they are afraid of Putin .. |
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Post by Cranky on Jul 2, 2023 2:43:57 GMT -5
The reaction of the fans is broader then I thought.
Habland is getting impatient....good to see.
BTW..it's not the pick that I have a problem with, it's the endless row boat to China...
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Post by Cranky on Jul 2, 2023 2:52:24 GMT -5
He's going to need to put on some weight/stregnth if he's going to play an all around game.
/mediaviewer
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Post by Tankdriver on Jul 2, 2023 10:16:42 GMT -5
Anyone found it weird that Paul Byron was there? Doing last round of therapy before becoming a FA?
P.S. I wonder how that works when you are injured and your contract runs out. Does the previous team still provide the medical support until you sign with someone else?
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Post by habsorbed on Jul 2, 2023 12:04:26 GMT -5
Anyone found it weird that Paul Byron was there? Doing last round of therapy before becoming a FA? P.S. I wonder how that works when you are injured and your contract runs out. Does the previous team still provide the medical support until you sign with someone else? It likely does if you're part of management. The guy's smart, bilingual and from the area. No brianer for me. Makes a lot more sense than Carey. And about the botched David ... announcement. I would give Carey some slack as I'm sure he was not part of the decision making and was told of the pick moments before the annoincement. BUT, wouldn't you think any team guy or fan would know all the possibilities for the pick and be familiar with their names. Really there were only about 4 or 5 guys unless HuGO went off the board (If it was Jesperi Kotkoniemi Carey wouldn't even have got the first name right). Seems like a guy who is disinterested or unfocused. I guess they can call him out to do some handshaking but keep him away from the mic. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Jul 2, 2023 12:59:35 GMT -5
Anyone found it weird that Paul Byron was there? Doing last round of therapy before becoming a FA? P.S. I wonder how that works when you are injured and your contract runs out. Does the previous team still provide the medical support until you sign with someone else? It likely does if you're part of management. The guy's smart, bilingual and from the area. No brianer for me. Makes a lot more sense than Carey. And about the botched David ... announcement. I would give Carey some slack as I'm sure he was not part of the decision making and was told of the pick moments before the annoincement. BUT, wouldn't you think any team guy or fan would know all the possibilities for the pick and be familiar with their names. Really there were only about 4 or 5 guys unless HuGO went off the board (If it was Jesperi Kotkoniemi Carey wouldn't even have got the first name right). Seems like a guy who is disinterested or unfocused. I guess they can call him out to do some handshaking but keep him away from the mic. I think he just got nerves and screwed up... at least he said David... |
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Post by seventeen on Jul 2, 2023 14:17:26 GMT -5
Thank God he didn't add Savard or (gasp) Fischer.
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Post by Tankdriver on Jul 2, 2023 14:57:46 GMT -5
Agreed with regards to Price. Seen many people freeze in mid thought when they are public speaking. It happens. No big deal
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