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Post by Cranky on Jun 28, 2023 19:09:22 GMT -5
What can i say, we drafted for need rather then BPA.
Nothing more to say then I hope we got a top 4 defenseman.
Comments?
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 28, 2023 19:30:09 GMT -5
All i can say aboutvthe 5th pick is...Poor Carey, he will be a meme forever
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Post by PTH on Jun 28, 2023 19:38:24 GMT -5
All i can say aboutvthe 5th pick is...Poor Carey, he will be a meme forever Meh. That's all on him. He just had to write it on a post-it if he couldn't remember, but he just doesn't seem to GAF. |
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Post by PTH on Jun 28, 2023 19:48:13 GMT -5
What can i say, we drafted for need rather then BPA. Nothing more to say then I hope we got a top 4 defenseman. Comments? We have to wait a while... if the management team thought he was the BPA, we have to wait and see. The top 4 #1C were gone, and they had to like his game, otherwise they would've traded down. This board melted down over the Carey Price selection, and that worked out well enough. |
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Post by jkr on Jun 28, 2023 19:56:41 GMT -5
What can i say, we drafted for need rather then BPA. Nothing more to say then I hope we got a top 4 defenseman. Comments? I agree. This team continually gets it wrong at the top of the draft no matter who's in charge. They had a chance to grab some unique offensive talent with guys like Michkov , Leonard et al. Instead they play it safe. |
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Post by Boston_Habs on Jun 28, 2023 19:57:44 GMT -5
Totally bummed. He’s David Savard.
I hope this doesn’t haunt us.
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Post by Douper on Jun 28, 2023 19:59:24 GMT -5
Our defense in 2 years could be:
Ghule Reinbacher
Xhekaj Mailloux
Barron Matheson
That is pretty darn good.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 28, 2023 20:02:11 GMT -5
Our defense in 2 years could be: Ghule Reinbacher Xhekaj Mailloux Barron Matheson That is pretty darn good. That is a big 6 D group. Where is Hutson? Still in college? Still have Harris and Struble |
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Post by Cranky on Jun 28, 2023 20:03:23 GMT -5
What can i say, we drafted for need rather then BPA. Nothing more to say then I hope we got a top 4 defenseman. Comments? I agree. This team continually gets it wrong at the top of the draft no matter who's in charge. They had a chance to grab some unique offensive talent with guys like Michkov , Leonard et al. Instead they play it safe. Totally bummed. He’s David Savard. I hope this doesn’t haunt us. Hilariously, last week I was dead set on buying an 85" and part of that was to watch the new and improved Habs. For some crazy reason, I still have a 30 year old 13" TV that I never got around to throwing out, that's maybe too much to watch "my" Habs. Right now, my "hope and pray" is at the lowest level i ever had. But hey, Mol$on will still rake it in... |
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Post by habsask on Jun 28, 2023 20:27:23 GMT -5
Hmmm.
To all those that are heavily criticizing the pick who would you have taken?
And have you scouted the other players available in person, have you watched endless hours of tape, have you spoken to their various coaches - I very much doubt it.
And of course even though you haven't you're still better informed that the Habs VP of Hockey Operations, GM and and coach who have done all the above.
It's always the same...yap, yap, yap.
Sheesh, give it a rest.
By Unapologetic for a Change.
Over and Out
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Post by jkr on Jun 28, 2023 20:40:58 GMT -5
Hmmm. To all those that are heavily criticizing the pick who would you have taken? And have you scouted the other players available in person, have you watched endless hours of tape, have you spoken to their various coaches - I very much doubt it. And of course even though you haven't you're still better informed that the Habs VP of Hockey Operations, GM and and coach who have done all the above. It's always the same...yap, yap, yap. Sheesh, give it a rest. By Unapologetic for a Change. Over and Out Doesn't mean they are always right and that they should be immune to criticism. This organization has made its share of missteps in recent years. Habs fans suffered through almost a decade of Marc Bergevin and are expecting a lot better from Kent Hughes. |
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Post by PTH on Jun 28, 2023 20:47:43 GMT -5
Hmmm. To all those that are heavily criticizing the pick who would you have taken? And have you scouted the other players available in person, have you watched endless hours of tape, have you spoken to their various coaches - I very much doubt it. And of course even though you haven't you're still better informed that the Habs VP of Hockey Operations, GM and and coach who have done all the above. It's always the same...yap, yap, yap. Sheesh, give it a rest. By Unapologetic for a Change. Over and Out Doesn't mean they are always right and that they should be immune to criticism. This organization has made its share of missteps in recent years. Habs fans suffered through almost a decade of Marc Bergevin and are expecting a lot better from Kent Hughes. At this point, Reinbacher could be a 15-year #1 defenseman though... and Michkov flame out. |
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Post by drkcloud on Jun 28, 2023 20:49:19 GMT -5
Well, there's been about ten picks after #5 who show more promise IMO. It really is a deep draft. Didn't have to be Michkov but I have serious doubts about this pick
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Post by Douper on Jun 28, 2023 20:56:45 GMT -5
Our defense in 2 years could be: Ghule Reinbacher Xhekaj Mailloux Barron Matheson That is pretty darn good. That is a big 6 D group. Where is Hutson? Still in college? Still have Harris and Struble They all get traded for help upfront. Can't play with 10 dmen. And you can't win a cup with Huston. |
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Post by Boston_Habs on Jun 28, 2023 21:26:26 GMT -5
I just think in the absence of a compelling alternative you roll the dice on the guy with the most upside. If Will Smith was still there at #5 then I would get that, but Reinbacher seems ok but not exciting, the proverbial best D man in a soft draft class
That said I hope they have real conviction around this pick and they firmly believe he’s a legit #1 top pairing guy because that’s the only thing that justifies the pick. If he’s another David Savard or Karl Dykhuis or former #2 pick Ryan Murray then it’s a real waste.
Whatever, onward and upward. I expect to see real progress out of the Habs in 2023-24.
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Post by PTH on Jun 28, 2023 21:30:27 GMT -5
I just think in the absence of a compelling alternative you roll the dice on the guy with the most upside. If Will Smith was still there at #5 then I would get that, but Reinbacher seems ok but not exciting, the proverbial best D man in a soft draft class That said I hope they have real conviction around this pick and that he’s a legit #1 top pairing guy because that’s the only thing that justifies the pick. If he’s another David Savard or Karl Dykhuis or former #2 pick Ryan Murray then it’s a real waste. Whatever, onward and upward. I expect to see real progress out of the Habs in 2023-24. They took a guy likely to be on the team in a year, and traded picks for a current young NHLer... they are building based on your impatient timeline. You would have preferred Michkov who we wouldn't see for 3 seasons ? |
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Post by PTH on Jun 28, 2023 21:31:54 GMT -5
That is a big 6 D group. Where is Hutson? Still in college? Still have Harris and Struble They all get traded for help upfront. Can't play with 10 dmen. And you can't win a cup with Huston. Young D are always popular on the trade market... |
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Post by Andrew on Jun 28, 2023 21:33:26 GMT -5
Ok, so what if Carey Price had really messed up and blurted out the wrong player’s name? Does Hughes get a chance to interject and correct it, or is the sale final as soon as your team vocalizes a player’s name.
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Post by Douper on Jun 28, 2023 21:52:26 GMT -5
David...eh...David...Desharnais?
His tweet after is hilarious
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Post by PTH on Jun 28, 2023 22:04:49 GMT -5
Ok, so what if Carey Price had really messed up and blurted out the wrong player’s name? Does Hughes get a chance to interject and correct it, or is the sale final as soon as your team vocalizes a player’s name. Before a team announces its pick, the name is given to the NHL and they check their eligibility, so no, a misstep doesn't change the pick. |
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Post by CentreHice on Jun 28, 2023 22:21:00 GMT -5
All i can say aboutvthe 5th pick is...Poor Carey, he will be a meme forever Meh. That's all on him. He just had to write it on a post-it if he couldn't remember, but he just doesn't seem to GAF. Yep...for such an occasion, a foolproof backup plan is a must. He couldn't retrieve, froze, then looked for the bailout. We should perhaps be grateful he didn't say Orville Redenbacher. |
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Post by folatre on Jun 28, 2023 22:28:22 GMT -5
Yeah, for sure, the whole looming logjam of d-men will get sorted out in due time. That is not really a big concern. It is impossible to accurately handicap the future, but I think Barron probably becomes expendable and a couple guys on the left also may become surplus.
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Post by habsask on Jun 28, 2023 23:25:42 GMT -5
Doesn't mean they are always right and that they should be immune to criticism. This organization has made its share of missteps in recent years. Habs fans suffered through almost a decade of Marc Bergevin and are expecting a lot better from Kent Hughes. At this point, Reinbacher could be a 15-year #1 defenseman though... and Michkov flame out. I am not arguing that they should be immune to criticism. I am arguing that the criticism should be backed up by a reasoned and supported opinion. That's all. |
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Post by frozone on Jun 29, 2023 0:59:53 GMT -5
At this point, Reinbacher could be a 15-year #1 defenseman though... and Michkov flame out. I am not arguing that they should be immune to criticism. I am arguing that the criticism should be backed up by a reasoned and supported opinion. That's all. You're right, Habsask. And unfortunately, the kid will get some undeserved offseason booing. Don't get me wrong, I'm thrilled to have Reinbacher on the team. He's probably a better prospect than Guhle was during his draft year, and as a RHD he certainly fills a need. The problem is, we have had a need for goals and elite talent for so long that many Habs fans are going numb. This was a legitimate chance to address that serious need for goals, and they went for a need that we could have filled in other ways. I mean, we have a very young D corps, and imo it would have been wise to find a veteran RHD to add to the roster to balance out the lineup and the age balance. Also, the shortage of quality RHD is overblown imo, and bound to fluctuate over time. A few years back it was a shortage of RH Centremen, and now we have Suzuki, Dach and Evans who all shoot right. By the time Reinbacher is a 20 min defenseman, maybe we'll have a surplus of RHD. You can never know for sure. I get it... HuGo thinks that they can more effectively acquire elite talent by buying low on young NHLers whose stocks are down. I don't mind that approach at all. But when is Ovechkin's stock ever really down? Or Kucherov's, Mackinnon's, etc. This was our best opportunity to add that RARE level of talent, and it appears that management valued other qualities more. We're going to love Reinbacher, but an opportunity to draft a Michkov level of talent may not come again for another 20 years so its hard to be excited about this selection at this stage. |
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Post by seventeen on Jun 29, 2023 2:57:34 GMT -5
Our defense in 2 years could be: Ghule Reinbacher Xhekaj Mailloux Barron Matheson That is pretty darn good. Replace Mailloux with Hutson and you've got it. |
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Post by seventeen on Jun 29, 2023 3:02:41 GMT -5
Yeah, for sure, the whole looming logjam of d-men will get sorted out in due time. That is not really a big concern. It is impossible to accurately handicap the future, but I think Barron probably becomes expendable and a couple guys on the left also may become surplus. Yes. Engstrom and Hutson I think, will find places in there. We'll be deep on D, but that's important. I think the Newhook traded disappointed fans, but really, how many of us have seen him play very much? I like him, but even I haven't seen a ton of Avs games. Frankly I think Newhook will work out very well. I'll have to compare hiim with whoever went 31st and 37th. |
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Post by Dschens on Jun 29, 2023 4:16:26 GMT -5
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Post by Boston_Habs on Jun 29, 2023 6:10:23 GMT -5
Slept on it, still pissed.
My worry with this management team is trying to be a bit too cute or thinking they know more than everyone else.
They could have held onto 31 and 37 and drafted two RHD with those picks if they thought that was and organizational problem and taken Michkov at #5. I didn’t mind the Newhook move but right now it’s just a theory that our development guys can turn Alex Newook into a top 6 player. What if he’s just another 3rd line guy?
And then they reached for Reinbacher, who was not a consensus top 5 pick. My anecdotal view is reaching on guys graded lower in the draft doesn’t usually work out.
As far as I’m concerned the tanking part of the rebuild is over and I’m not sure we got enough to show for it. We needed a player with the talent profile of Michkov and we passed on him. I’m still a bit shocked.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 29, 2023 7:12:43 GMT -5
I wonder if HuGo looked at this report... pretty glowing report... ranks Orville higher than Josi at the same age |
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 29, 2023 7:34:32 GMT -5
Our defense in 2 years could be: Ghule Reinbacher Xhekaj Mailloux Barron Matheson That is pretty darn good. Replace Mailloux with Hutson and you've got it. According to the article dschens posted Reinbacher is a #2 D on the habs and should be paired with Hutson Hutson Reinbacher Ghule Mailloux Xhekaj Matheson On paper that is a good looking D corps but Hutson Ghule can be swapped as needed but Hutson, Mailloux and Matheson can be the puck movers on the pairing... I also think Xhekaj can become a good puck mover |
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