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Post by Cranky on May 5, 2024 12:03:06 GMT -5
I have no idea what is ailing Matthews. But he did not look dangerous or even quick enough out there to keep up with the pace of play in a game 7. I texted a little with my brother in law this morning. He was devastated last night. Now, calmed down, his take is that the ownership group lets Shanahan finish the year on his contract and obviously they cannot kick Tavares to the curb because he has another year with a NMC, so maybe the bigger changes are still a calendar year down the road. Matthews does not like big man touching him where it can hurt. The rest of us call it checking and playing hard nose hockey. These guys and particularly PLDonkey want to make the big money and live their best life. Which does not include any pain or God forgive, physical violence. They will NEVER win anything with those kind of players. EVER. Frankly neither will we unless we make sure we have a win at all costs culture baked into our team. That is also the reason I'm now sooo against getting PLD. |
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Post by folatre on May 5, 2024 17:35:18 GMT -5
I think your BIL is right on all points. IMO Tavares is not playing up to the contract. 11 million is far too much for a guy that just had a 65 point season. I could see him gone at the end of next season. Despite the 2 year extension I think Keefe is history. He's had 5 seasons with little success. I wonder what's going to happen with Marner. Tavares is coming off the books so the money will be there but do they want to commit to another shorter term deal in the 13 million $ range? He wasnt much of a factor is the series and he looked pretty sleepy on the winning goal. You are probably right about Keefe. Yes, Tavares will play out his contract because there is no other alternative. The situation with Marner is the spicy meatball. He has a full MNC, which no doubt he feels he fully earned/deserved thanks to putting up huge offensive numbers in the town where he was born and raised. If Treliving goes to Marner or Darren Ferris and says look we would like to move on, the waters immediately become choppy for the club. Marner/Marner's family and Ferris will almost certainly not play nice with an organization trying to run him out of town. There is a very good chance the quick and final answer would be no. And if Marner's camp opened the door even slightly, they might give the shortest of lists (one team). Also another factor Treviling has to weigh, which he would never admit publicly, is how Matthews may react when he hears the plan is to trade his bud. |
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Post by CentreHice on May 6, 2024 12:31:27 GMT -5
Wondering how often the diagonal shoot-in, board carom out-front, backdoor swoop-in works...especially catching the other team off-guard, flat-footed, and frozen in Game 7 OT.
Perfect execution by Lindholm and Pastrnak--who passed it back and took off down that right side in anticipatory Cournoyer fashion!
But...3 rock festival porta-johns for the Leafs in that situation.
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Post by franko on May 6, 2024 14:13:10 GMT -5
Wondering how often the diagonal shoot-in, board carom out-front, backdoor swoop-in works...especially catching the other team off-guard, flat-footed, and frozen in Game 7 OT. since you ask . . . read this the other day refining the art of the bank shot |
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Post by folatre on May 6, 2024 15:22:28 GMT -5
Dreger said the Senators have decided to hire Travis Green. He may have been a heart and soul type player himself, but his teams in Vancouver and New Jersey were defensively sloppy and soft.
Not surprising to hear that Bowness is retiring. The Jets have sort of hit a ceiling with their core and he has had some health issues the last couple of years.
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Post by Willie Dog on May 6, 2024 17:23:27 GMT -5
Dreger said the Senators have decided to hire Travis Green. He may have been a heart and soul type player himself, but his teams in Vancouver and New Jersey were defensively sloppy and soft. Not surprising to hear that Bowness is retiring. The Jets have sort of hit a ceiling with their core and he has had some health issues the last couple of years. I thought the Hens would go after Berube |
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Post by jkr on May 7, 2024 17:43:01 GMT -5
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Post by folatre on May 7, 2024 18:50:10 GMT -5
Dreger said the Senators have decided to hire Travis Green. He may have been a heart and soul type player himself, but his teams in Vancouver and New Jersey were defensively sloppy and soft. Not surprising to hear that Bowness is retiring. The Jets have sort of hit a ceiling with their core and he has had some health issues the last couple of years. I thought the Hens would go after Berube I heard Freidman and Kypreos suggesting basically that Berube's contractual pretensions (I guess he wants top 5-7 type HC coin since he has won a Cup) were not okay for Ottawa. |
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Post by Willie Dog on May 7, 2024 19:00:21 GMT -5
I thought the Hens would go after Berube I heard Freidman and Kypreos suggesting basically that Berube's contractual pretensions (I guess he wants top 5-7 type HC coin since he has won a Cup) were not okay for Ottawa. Until the fans start packing the place it'll be tough... a pwhl game in ottawa is packed at TD Place and it holds 10k |
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Post by jkr on May 8, 2024 7:25:45 GMT -5
I heard Freidman and Kypreos suggesting basically that Berube's contractual pretensions (I guess he wants top 5-7 type HC coin since he has won a Cup) were not okay for Ottawa. Until the fans start packing the place it'll be tough... a pwhl game in ottawa is packed at TD Place and it holds 10k By hiring Green it just looks like the Sens are cheaping out again. |
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Post by Tankdriver on May 8, 2024 7:33:12 GMT -5
I am definitely not sold on Green and was never impressed with his coaching in Vancouver or New Jersey. I think Berube is waiting on the Leafs job and the big payday that comes with it. I do have to admit though that there aren't exactly a lot of good coaches out there at the moment that scream we need to get this guy. Maybe Gallant? Quenneville if the league clears him?
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Post by Willie Dog on May 8, 2024 7:53:47 GMT -5
I am definitely not sold on Green and was never impressed with his coaching in Vancouver or New Jersey. I think Berube is waiting on the Leafs job and the big payday that comes with it. I do have to admit though that there aren't exactly a lot of good coaches out there at the moment that scream we need to get this guy. Maybe Gallant? Quenneville if the league clears him? I would love if the Habs got rid of Burrows and brought in Gallant |
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Post by seventeen on May 8, 2024 11:56:10 GMT -5
I am definitely not sold on Green and was never impressed with his coaching in Vancouver or New Jersey. I think Berube is waiting on the Leafs job and the big payday that comes with it. I do have to admit though that there aren't exactly a lot of good coaches out there at the moment that scream we need to get this guy. Maybe Gallant? Quenneville if the league clears him? I would love if the Habs got rid of Burrows and brought in Gallant I think Gallant was a good player's coach, but not necessarily a good X's and O's guy. We need the latter as Marty looks after the former pretty well. But Yeah, I think some new blood is needed beside Marty. |
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Post by folatre on May 8, 2024 17:48:42 GMT -5
If management wants to climb significantly closer to the playoff cut line, then something needs to change with special teams. It is really hard to make the playoffs being bottom 10 in both power play and penalty kill.
I know St. Louis has more than once tried to deflect media/fan heat off Burrows by reiterating that all the coaches collaborate on special teams, etc. And that obviously says a lot of good things about Marty's impeccable qualities as a human. But it needs to get fixed and management should not be complacent on this front.
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Post by IamCanadiens on May 8, 2024 19:12:17 GMT -5
If management wants to climb significantly closer to the playoff cut line, then something needs to change with special teams. It is really hard to make the playoffs being bottom 10 in both power play and penalty kill. I know St. Louis has more than once tried to deflect media/fan heat off Burrows by reiterating that all the coaches collaborate on special teams, etc. And that obviously says a lot of good things about Marty's impeccable qualities as a human. But it needs to get fixed and management should not be complacent on this front. Based on the special teams results I figured Burrows was on borrowed time but St Louis has done nothing but support him. I fully comprehend supporting your people and St. Louis is fantastic for this but that said at some point he has to earn his place. If I remember correctly Burrows' contract is up and I assumed the special teams numbers would lead to him not being renewed but everything I've heard makes me think the opposite will happen and he's on 'Burrowed' time as he is St Louis' guy. Sigh. |
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Post by jkr on May 8, 2024 20:21:25 GMT -5
That's disappointing. Players are held to a high standard. Coaches should be too. A special teams coach that consistently brings in dismal results over several years needs to be held accountable.
Re- signing Burrows sends the wrong message.
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Post by jkr on May 9, 2024 10:34:34 GMT -5
Leafs have fired Keefe. His contract would have expired this season but Treliving decided to extend him for 2 years before the season started. Now they pay him to not coach for the next 2 years .
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Post by Tankdriver on May 9, 2024 11:50:58 GMT -5
Leafs have fired Keefe. His contract would have expired this season but Treliving decided to extend him for 2 years before the season started. Now they pay him to not coach for the next 2 years . I know I'll be in the minority in saying this by Keefe wasn't/isn't a bad coach. I just think he got a bag full of ingredients that just don't blend well enough to make a masterpiece (Playoff Success). For years the have been sinking money into the Core 4 + 1 (Reilley) and neglected on getting a solid 1 or 2 defenceman and Power Forward / solid depth. I actually liked what Trevling did this year in getting Domi, Bertuzzi, Edmonston, Lubyshkin. However they still lacked that pucking moving number 1 and some secondary scoring. Unfortunately for Leafs fans, they are going to be sold a coaching change is going to fix everything because the management are unable to move the "god" or "Captain". Check out Cap friendly to see how many players on that team have a NMC or modified no move clause. It's crazy. |
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Post by jkr on May 9, 2024 13:18:22 GMT -5
I can't understand how Shanahan escapes the axe. He's presided over 10 years of failure. Babcock, Keefe and Dubas have all been canned but he lives another day.
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Post by CentreHice on May 9, 2024 13:23:16 GMT -5
How long before Berube signs as HC of the Leafs for $5 mill X 5....
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Post by seventeen on May 9, 2024 13:38:45 GMT -5
Leafs have fired Keefe. His contract would have expired this season but Treliving decided to extend him for 2 years before the season started. Now they pay him to not coach for the next 2 years . Unless someone else hires him. I don't begrudge coaches getting their money (except for certain losers like Michel Therrien). They're going to get fired at some point, so they'd better be paid well in the interim. Mind you, they seem to be recycled a lot so maybe job security isn't the worst. |
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Post by seventeen on May 9, 2024 13:42:24 GMT -5
I can't understand how Shanahan escapes the axe. He's presided over 10 years of failure. Babcock, Keefe and Dubas have all been canned but he lives another day. Yup. He's been there the whole time. Jonah Shanahan. |
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Post by Willie Dog on May 9, 2024 14:04:07 GMT -5
Leafs have fired Keefe. His contract would have expired this season but Treliving decided to extend him for 2 years before the season started. Now they pay him to not coach for the next 2 years . The leafs are cup winner at paying coaches not to coach... I say they should hire Claude Julien |
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Post by Willie Dog on May 9, 2024 14:05:23 GMT -5
How long before Berube signs as HC of the Leafs for $5 mill X 5.... It'll be more than that... they want him more than he wants them |
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Post by jkr on May 9, 2024 15:10:25 GMT -5
How long before Berube signs as HC of the Leafs for $5 mill X 5.... In keeping with the theme - it has been 5 years since he won that Cup. |
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Post by jkr on May 9, 2024 19:42:01 GMT -5
How long before Berube signs as HC of the Leafs for $5 mill X 5.... In keeping with the theme - it has been 5 years since he won that Cup. And if the Leafs are in the mood to fire coaches, how about Guy Boucher who ran that PP that went 1 for 21.😀 |
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Post by Willie Dog on May 9, 2024 20:52:13 GMT -5
In keeping with the theme - it has been 5 years since he won that Cup. And if the Leafs are in the mood to fire coaches, how about Guy Boucher who ran that PP that went 1 for 21.😀 I hope they keep him. |
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Post by CentreHice on May 10, 2024 14:33:40 GMT -5
There's also been talk of Quenneville as possible/desirable Leafs' coach.
Tempered by, "It may be too soon after the Chicago revelations."
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Post by jkr on May 10, 2024 14:58:20 GMT -5
There's also been talk of Quenneville as possible/desirable Leafs' coach. Tempered by, "It may be too soon after the Chicago revelations." Didnt they learn anything from the Babcock fiasco? |
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Post by seventeen on May 10, 2024 16:31:28 GMT -5
I was reading a tweet relating a story about Alexander Mogilny and Mike Keenan (an extreme old style coach as most know). Keenan was tearing into Mogilny one game between periods and Mogilny looked up and said. "You know my story don't you? When I defected, I was threatened, my family was threatened, they tried everything. Do you really think you can scare me?"
Keenan ended up speechless.
I had never heard that story before and I thoroughly enjoyed it. Mogilny rose in my respect list.
The moral of the story these days is that coaches who yell and scream aren't your solution.
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