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Post by seventeen on Jun 12, 2024 12:10:17 GMT -5
I've been seeing and Hearing that it's likely that Demidov is going to be available at 5. Some of the insiders are saying teams were having difficulty communicating with him because he doesn't speak english at all. If true and he's available, I don't care if he ever speaks english we need to grab him. That's where having Bobrov on staff is really useful. There won't be any misunderstandings because of language when Habs get a chance to talk to Demidov at his agent's convention. Also, having Nick's father in the SKA organization gives them deeper insight into SKA players than most other teams. That might well be why they stayed away from Michkov last year, yet seem to have no reservations about Demidov this year. Also Demidov is a lot bigger than Michkov. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jun 12, 2024 12:13:47 GMT -5
Something I missed earlier which I thought was interesting, at the 26th spot in Bakula's final ranking is Lane's brother Cole. Can't see them taking him, 1 small D is enough imo I have no problem getting another small player with skill and talent. One new kid will not make the Habs a big bad team. We are built for speed. We do have the X factor in brothers who are tough and spend minutes on the ice, not the bench. Watching the best player in the world on Edmonton not scoring and putting up ordinary numbers of goals on the scoresheet this year I realize the value of a shot and scoring skill. McDavid scores spectacular goals but not that many. A shot a release ability to position find open space makes Eiserman and Catton valuable. Our scoring from the D is ok but we need snipers up front. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 12, 2024 13:20:22 GMT -5
I've been following Beckett Sennecke since he caught Grant McCagg's attention ... he said that Sennecke was on the Hab's radar and that was more than a few months ago ... ever since then, I've been reading that he's top-15 on some lists, and top-5 on others, but McCagg had him as a possible top-5 right from when I started reading about the player ... we'll see, I guess ... with so many different lists out there, this might be the least predictable draft in a long time ... Cheers. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 12, 2024 13:23:54 GMT -5
Guess who’s coming to dinner? |
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Post by seventeen on Jun 12, 2024 17:03:36 GMT -5
I've been following Beckett Sennecke since he caught Grant McCagg's attention ... he said that Sennecke was on the Hab's radar and that was more than a few months ago ... ever since then, I've been reading that he's top-15 on some lists, and top-5 on others, but McCagg had him as a possible top-5 right from when I started reading about the player ... we'll see, I guess ... with so many different lists out there, this might be the least predictable draft in a long time ... Cheers. He's a definite candidate for me at 5, Dis. It might be a reach, or it might be another big, skilled, power forward with great hands, moves and a pretty good shot too. I follow the thinking that guys who have sudden growth spurts do tend to have co-ordination issues until their muscles and nerves catch up to the increase in body mass. I liked Sennecke at some tournament I saw him in on tv (U17's I believe). He had 3 assists in 5 games. When he was with the toronto Marlies AAA team in 21/22 (1.5 years ago), he was listed at 5' 10", 150 lbs. He's now a touch under 6' 3" and 182 lbs. There's a lot to fill in there. Grant McCagg on the REcrutes Youtube show, had 153 video clips of Sennecke, doing everything you'd want to see offensively. He stickhandled by guys, he controlled the puck in the attacking zone, he deked goalies out of their skates, he drew people to him and set up teammates with great passes and he also had 67 PIM in 63 games, second on his team. I can see why the Habs would have interest in him. The question is do you use a #5 pick on Sennecke? Each potentially available guy there has something the Habs could use. Demidov, Lindstrom, Iginla and Sennecke. It's easy to say that they can't make a mistake choosing one of those guys if they're there. Thing is they can make a mistake. Each of those guys is going to top off at some level and you really want to pick the guy who reaches the highest ceiling. That makes for a difficult choice and a target for criticism in the future. Pressure. And I haven't even mentioned Berkly Catton, who might be better than all of those guys in the long run. Maybe.  |
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Post by seventeen on Jun 12, 2024 17:11:49 GMT -5
Guess who’s coming to dinner? Somehow I can't get excited about Eiserman. On that same McCagg Recrutes Sick Podcast, Eiserman was discussed and both McCagg and the other guy (whose name I didn't get) had reservations about Eiserman. They agree he's a one trick pony and while that trick (scoring) is the thing that matters, he doesn't have a multitudinous number of ways to score. Most are very Ovie like, but from the other side. One timers, often on the PP. The two guys both think that shot gets taken away a lot in the NHL and he's not a good self creator. The other thing they didn't like was his chasing of Caufield's goal scoring record with the US NTDP. It was late in a 7-1 game the US was winning and he missed on a chance to tie or break the record (he still had a few games left) and he reacted like his world had ended. Not exactly a team oriented approach. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 12, 2024 18:11:20 GMT -5
Somehow I can't get excited about Eiserman. On that same McCagg Recrutes Sick Podcast, Eiserman was discussed and both McCagg and the other guy (whose name I didn't get) had reservations about Eiserman. They agree he's a one trick pony and while that trick (scoring) is the thing that matters, he doesn't have a multitudinous number of ways to score. Most are very Ovie like, but from the other side. One timers, often on the PP. The two guys both think that shot gets taken away a lot in the NHL and he's not a good self creator. The other thing they didn't like was his chasing of Caufield's goal scoring record with the US NTDP. It was late in a 7-1 game the US was winning and he missed on a chance to tie or break the record (he still had a few games left) and he reacted like his world had ended. Not exactly a team oriented approach. His reaction was Matthews-esque |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 12, 2024 18:32:39 GMT -5
Somehow I can't get excited about Eiserman. On that same McCagg Recrutes Sick Podcast, Eiserman was discussed and both McCagg and the other guy (whose name I didn't get) had reservations about Eiserman. They agree he's a one trick pony and while that trick (scoring) is the thing that matters, he doesn't have a multitudinous number of ways to score. Most are very Ovie like, but from the other side. One timers, often on the PP. The two guys both think that shot gets taken away a lot in the NHL and he's not a good self creator. The other thing they didn't like was his chasing of Caufield's goal scoring record with the US NTDP. It was late in a 7-1 game the US was winning and he missed on a chance to tie or break the record (he still had a few games left) and he reacted like his world had ended. Not exactly a team oriented approach. I remember hearing that podcast, and they expressed concerns over Cole Eiserman's attitudes, and his reluctance to play a 200-ft game ... it reminded me of this exchange at the 1977 draft ... A longstanding legend of the Islander dynasty era is that when Al Arbour was asked by Bill Torrey at the 1977 NHL Draft whether to select Mike Bossy, who had a reputation as a goal-scorer but supposedly avoided physical play, he said yes. "I can teach a player to check," Arbour said. "I can't teach him to score goals." ( sic) That said, how coachable is Eiserman ... Cheers. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 12, 2024 20:25:18 GMT -5
Somehow I can't get excited about Eiserman. On that same McCagg Recrutes Sick Podcast, Eiserman was discussed and both McCagg and the other guy (whose name I didn't get) had reservations about Eiserman. They agree he's a one trick pony and while that trick (scoring) is the thing that matters, he doesn't have a multitudinous number of ways to score. Most are very Ovie like, but from the other side. One timers, often on the PP. The two guys both think that shot gets taken away a lot in the NHL and he's not a good self creator. The other thing they didn't like was his chasing of Caufield's goal scoring record with the US NTDP. It was late in a 7-1 game the US was winning and he missed on a chance to tie or break the record (he still had a few games left) and he reacted like his world had ended. Not exactly a team oriented approach. I remember hearing that podcast, and they expressed concerns over Cole Eiserman's attitudes, and his reluctance to play a 200-ft game ... it reminded me of this exchange at the 1977 draft ... A longstanding legend of the Islander dynasty era is that when Al Arbour was asked by Bill Torrey at the 1977 NHL Draft whether to select Mike Bossy, who had a reputation as a goal-scorer but supposedly avoided physical play, he said yes. "I can teach a player to check," Arbour said. "I can't teach him to score goals." ( sic) That said, how coachable is Eiserman ... Cheers. I'd say Cole has learned how to play a 200 foot game and I expect him to continue doing that while scoring 30+ goals this year... I don't see why a guy like Eisermann can't do that unless he has a Drouin mentality... |
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Post by seventeen on Jun 13, 2024 1:18:23 GMT -5
I remember hearing that podcast, and they expressed concerns over Cole Eiserman's attitudes, and his reluctance to play a 200-ft game ... it reminded me of this exchange at the 1977 draft ... A longstanding legend of the Islander dynasty era is that when Al Arbour was asked by Bill Torrey at the 1977 NHL Draft whether to select Mike Bossy, who had a reputation as a goal-scorer but supposedly avoided physical play, he said yes. "I can teach a player to check," Arbour said. "I can't teach him to score goals." ( sic) That said, how coachable is Eiserman ... Cheers. Bossy was a complete offensive player, however. He could also pass the puck and beat defensemen one on one. For me, he's the best goal scorer, ever. |
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Post by Tankdriver on Jun 13, 2024 7:57:30 GMT -5
I remember hearing that podcast, and they expressed concerns over Cole Eiserman's attitudes, and his reluctance to play a 200-ft game ... it reminded me of this exchange at the 1977 draft ... A longstanding legend of the Islander dynasty era is that when Al Arbour was asked by Bill Torrey at the 1977 NHL Draft whether to select Mike Bossy, who had a reputation as a goal-scorer but supposedly avoided physical play, he said yes. "I can teach a player to check," Arbour said. "I can't teach him to score goals." ( sic) That said, how coachable is Eiserman ... Cheers. Bossy was a complete offensive player, however. He could also pass the puck and beat defensemen one on one. For me, he's the best goal scorer, ever. I always got that opinion of Mario Lemieux. He was/is underated for greatest player of all time but if you look at his stats 690 goals scored in only 915 games played is pretty incredible. If he didn't have the health issues and the game was called like it is today, the guy would be leading the NHL goal scoring list. Heck, if he played one more season and scored at his average of 61 goals for an 82 game season, he would be number 5 all time. Another season he would be #3. |
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Post by frozone on Jun 13, 2024 11:43:12 GMT -5
I think Demidov will be gone, but if he is there, I run to the stage to pick him. If the doctors (they are basically a new group working for the organization since Gorton/Hughes came in, right?) say Lindstrom is not riskier medically than anything other kid playing a violent sport going forward, then I take him. I see him way more as a Byfield v2 than Anderson. Let's be fair, Josh Anderson was a fourth round pick because he never had good hands or hockey awareness. If Demidov is gone and there are medical questions unsatisfactorily resolved about Lindstrom, then my pick at fifth is Catton, though I would not be upset with Iginla. I still don’t quite understand why Demidov is a better prospect than Catton. He’s a much inferior skater and plays in an inferior league and plays the less valuable position. Don’t get me wrong, I believe the scouts when they say that he’s a top offensive talent in this draft, but would he really out produce Catton if he also played in the WHL? Maybe so… but would it be enough to warrant being in a higher tier in this draft? |
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 13, 2024 12:30:37 GMT -5
I'd be ok with catton or Iginla at 5, Lindstrom still worries me
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Post by seventeen on Jun 13, 2024 13:27:40 GMT -5
I'd be ok with catton or Iginla at 5, Lindstrom still worries me Lindstrom's combination of size, speed and shot really entices scouts, justifiably. His skills to me correlate really well to a power winger, not a centre. I would not therefore, give him the centre's premium when calculating value. Catton's size really works against him at a time like this where being big has taken on such an importance. I was chuckling at one report which suggested Paul Maurice was being considered as an assistant goach for the Olympic team. The first thing I thought was that if he implemented the Panthers style (which you couldn't on such a skilled team), you'd have 20 guys suspended in the tournament for one thing or another. Will the NHL ever revert to calling penalties for guys trying to intentionally injure opponents? It's not happening now, but if Bettman or Colon Campbell ever retire or if the NHL gets hit with a massive law suit, smaller, more skilled guys will suddenly become valuable in the playoffs. Some are already so. You have to be able to slip checks and avoid getting hit. Gretzky was good at that, Patrick Kane is good at that and Catton describes himself as slippery. If I was Hughes, I'd take him. He''s a centre. He's good on faceoffs, he drives play, he's an elite skater and while defense hasn't been a priority given his role in Spokane, he has a high hockey IQ and would adapt easily to proper positioning. The one concern I can't argue with is is board battles. He does not win many and that's where his size and strength hurt him. I would really want to have a better idea of his growth prospects. He may not have an endocrinologist on speed dial  , but a look at his parents and grandparents should provide some idea of how tall and heavy he'll get. If he gets to 6' and 185 lbs (about 10-12 more than he is right now), is that big enough? If you believe it is (Trochek is 5' 11", 187 and he's a really good playoff guy), then you pick him, because the floor is already high and his upside is strong and he's a centre, to give us the Dach insurance. |
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Post by folatre on Jun 13, 2024 18:23:34 GMT -5
fro, good question, honestly I have only watched a few relatively short video clips of Demidov so I preface this answer by saying it more based on scouting reports I have read rather than my own evaluation. Basically it seems a lot of people in the scouting business see the Russian's ability to protect/control the puck along the boards and then quickly create danger heading toward to the middle of the ice to be elite. And since competitive hockey games in the NHL are played overwhelmingly along the boards, I suppose some observers simply like the way Demidov's game translates to pro hockey.
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Post by Skilly on Jun 13, 2024 18:38:56 GMT -5
We currently have no one to play with Dach - please no one suggest breaking up our first line
So, I think we get him some help
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Post by drkcloud on Jun 14, 2024 1:49:01 GMT -5
We currently have no one to play with Dach - please no one suggest breaking up our first line So, I think we get him some help I can't remember who I heard, maybe Button, suggest they may draft Lindstrom, move him to the LW and create a giant line of Lindstrom Dach Slafkovsky. I'm sure he was just throwing it out there |
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Post by Cranky on Jun 14, 2024 12:54:48 GMT -5
Hockey is not a all beef salami...
Slaf is a natural compliment with the Suzuki/CC line.
Dach needs someone to compliment his possession game and have vision/creativity. While Slaf is suitable, you can't rob Paul.
If anything...I would put right hander Sennecke with Dach and Newhook then watch the results.
Or...Slaf with Dach and Sennecke with Suzuki/CC. Mr Slick with Mr Brains and Mr Shot.
In all this, we still need a viable 3rd line, but having TWO first lines will take the pressure off our current first line and allow more scoring by them.
So many possiblilities....
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Post by Cranky on Jun 14, 2024 13:09:52 GMT -5
I was on another site and apparently one of the talking head (Pronman) said Lindstrome has a herniated disk.
Are we done with him now or do we want to do an Eichle routine?
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 14, 2024 13:25:36 GMT -5
Hockey is not a all beef salami... Slaf is a natural compliment with the Suzuki/CC line. Dach needs someone to compliment his possession game and have vision/creativity. While Slaf is suitable, you can't rob Paul. If anything...I would put right hander Sennecke with Dach and Newhook then watch the results. Or...Slaf with Dach and Sennecke with Suzuki/CC. Mr Slick with Mr Brains and Mr Shot. In all this, we still need a viable 3rd line, but having TWO first lines will take the pressure off our current first line and allow more scoring by them. So many possiblilities.... Dach and Catton would be very good together |
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Post by Andrew on Jun 14, 2024 13:27:13 GMT -5
I was on another site and apparently one of the talking head (Pronman) said Lindstrome has a herniated disk. Are we done with him now or do we want to do an Eichle routine? I saw that as well. I'm curious as to why this is the first that it's been reported after all of the scrutiny that Lindstrom would have undergone at the combine. Allegedly Pronman mentioned in on the Athletic hockey podcast, though I haven't listened or heard the clip. |
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Post by Cranky on Jun 14, 2024 13:47:24 GMT -5
I was on another site and apparently one of the talking head (Pronman) said Lindstrome has a herniated disk. Are we done with him now or do we want to do an Eichle routine? I saw that as well. I'm curious as to why this is the first that it's been reported after all of the scrutiny that Lindstrom would have undergone at the combine. Allegedly Pronman mentioned in on the Athletic hockey podcast, though I haven't listened or heard the clip. I know this may not be the answer one wants to hear, but this is likely a self imposed gag order based on Lindstrome skin color. There is no logic or common sense to the "R" word other then best to stay away from anything that can be construed as such by whoever "feels" like it is. The fact that it was not out there that it was a serious back problem, but no one could say what...was curious. I couldn't care less other then what i see, or don't see on the ice. If the kid has a herniated disk, let someone else deal with it. |
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Post by jkr on Jun 14, 2024 14:10:54 GMT -5
I was on another site and apparently one of the talking head (Pronman) said Lindstrome has a herniated disk. Are we done with him now or do we want to do an Eichle routine? I saw that as well. I'm curious as to why this is the first that it's been reported after all of the scrutiny that Lindstrom would have undergone at the combine. Allegedly Pronman mentioned in on the Athletic hockey podcast, though I haven't listened or heard the clip. This isn't a secret. I read about his back injury about 2 weeks ago & posted it here. Just cant remember exactly where I put it. I'll try to find my original post. So if it's been out there teams know about it. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 14, 2024 14:45:54 GMT -5
I was on another site and apparently one of the talking head (Pronman) said Lindstrome has a herniated disk. Are we done with him now or do we want to do an Eichle routine? I saw that as well. I'm curious as to why this is the first that it's been reported after all of the scrutiny that Lindstrom would have undergone at the combine. Allegedly Pronman mentioned in on the Athletic hockey podcast, though I haven't listened or heard the clip. I have 2 herniated discs in my back from 30 years ago... not fun... now I have sciatic pain... |
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Post by Cranky on Jun 14, 2024 14:55:34 GMT -5
I saw that as well. I'm curious as to why this is the first that it's been reported after all of the scrutiny that Lindstrom would have undergone at the combine. Allegedly Pronman mentioned in on the Athletic hockey podcast, though I haven't listened or heard the clip. This isn't a secret. I read about his back injury about 2 weeks ago & posted it here. Just cant remember exactly where I put it. I'll try to find my original post. So if it's been out there teams know about it. I first knew about it from when you posted it here as a general comment but was unable to find anything ANYWHERE more specific about it then this morning. |
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Post by Cranky on Jun 14, 2024 14:58:39 GMT -5
I saw that as well. I'm curious as to why this is the first that it's been reported after all of the scrutiny that Lindstrom would have undergone at the combine. Allegedly Pronman mentioned in on the Athletic hockey podcast, though I haven't listened or heard the clip. I have 2 herniated discs in my back from 30 years ago... not fun... now I have sciatic pain... I never had one and can't comment other then a hige concern from what i read . In your opinion, since you know what it's like, do you think that a player with that issue would be able to play his type of game? |
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 15, 2024 7:07:54 GMT -5
I have 2 herniated discs in my back from 30 years ago... not fun... now I have sciatic pain... I never had one and can't comment other then a hige concern from what i read . In your opinion, since you know what it's like, do you think that a player with that issue would be able to play his type of game? The guy is just a kid so their ability to physiologically recover would be better than me, I was 29 when it happened and did not have access to the best medical care and it was 30 years ago so medicine has gotten better so there may be a chance of a full recovery, but in my opinion, a non muscular back injury never returns to 100 percent imo. A muscle injury you can work on and build up, a disc you can't, you either work with it as it is or you have surgery... the big issue is this is not regular life, you are working in a job where there is a great amount of physical activity, you body will get jarred and banged around and may end up in an awkward position... so in my opinion, I stay away from Lindstrom.... |
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Post by jkr on Jun 15, 2024 7:35:17 GMT -5
This isn't a secret. I read about his back injury about 2 weeks ago & posted it here. Just cant remember exactly where I put it. I'll try to find my original post. So if it's been out there teams know about it. I first knew about it from when you posted it here as a general comment but was unable to find anything ANYWHERE more specific about it then this morning. I found my post about this. It was May 8th and I had responded to another poster that was commenting, generally, about Lindstrom's health issues. It did turn out to be correct but I should have provided a link. I can't remember where I read it now. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 15, 2024 7:46:36 GMT -5
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Post by Cranky on Jun 15, 2024 11:24:30 GMT -5
I never had one and can't comment other then a hige concern from what i read . In your opinion, since you know what it's like, do you think that a player with that issue would be able to play his type of game? The guy is just a kid so their ability to physiologically recover would be better than me, I was 29 when it happened and did not have access to the best medical care and it was 30 years ago so medicine has gotten better so there may be a chance of a full recovery, but in my opinion, a non muscular back injury never returns to 100 percent imo. A muscle injury you can work on and build up, a disc you can't, you either work with it as it is or you have surgery... the big issue is this is not regular life, you are working in a job where there is a great amount of physical activity, you body will get jarred and banged around and may end up in an awkward position... so in my opinion, I stay away from Lindstrom.... Absolutely agree. I'm not a doctor but I'm in possession of large amounts of....common sense. I said it a few times and I stand by the comment that a back is like glass, if you break it, you can put it together but never going to be the same. Hard pass. |
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, but a look at his parents and grandparents should provide some idea of how tall and heavy he'll get. If he gets to 6' and 185 lbs (about 10-12 more than he is right now), is that big enough? If you believe it is (Trochek is 5' 11", 187 and he's a really good playoff guy), then you pick him, because the floor is already high and his upside is strong and he's a centre, to give us the Dach insurance. 
