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Post by franko on Oct 14, 2024 21:45:50 GMT -5
well, he's right . . . course, he didn't say anything about hockey viewers |
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Post by Cranky on Oct 14, 2024 22:00:56 GMT -5
Aaaaaannnnd...Prime Hockey streams and that's it. No going back to it. All i see now is "event ended". They can shove it....and better not get season long NHL rights.
Good thing I recorded it on RDS.
Anywho...talking to myself....
Slow start....
X has a bit of a problem backing up and getting covered, then making a dumb pass.
First goal totally on Hutsons head. Completely open player passing at will....amd Savard with a soft come back.
Completely outplayed by the Pens. 12 minutes in...ZERO shots
2nd goal...on Hutson AGAIN...he simply can't contain anyone.
Guhle....bullet-cannon as the announcer said in French.
Not even close in the first
2nd...
Reverse second. Habs WAY better.
Monty let's a really soft goal off Lars
Started with dominating half the period and even second half.
3rd...
What's wrong with Dach?
What's with all the defensive changes?
4th goal on X. Got behind him.
5th goal...breakdown
X and Savard doesn't make sense.
Savard was tired so the Hutson-Guhle combo was born. Hutson had 3 goals on him. Monty was below average. Dach died and just watching his shadow.
Back and forth but the Pens played better then us. So far in 4 games, we only dominated in one.
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Post by habsorbed on Oct 14, 2024 22:01:39 GMT -5
A lot of posts ragging on Hutson. i thought he was great. Sure he made some mistakes but so did Maths (actually a few), Savard, and X. I agree hutson should not be playing the minutes he is or the games - it will result in fatigue, or worse an injury. Marty, smarten up! The youth ain't our problem, or why we lost this game. Our problem is our vets. We've all been saying it for some time but Gally, Josh, Dvo, and Armia are hopeless offensively, a don't help much defensively. Until we get rid of 2 if not 3 of those duds, we ain't winning much. And Dach is a shadow of his former self... it's like he's playing not to get hurt... he might need a sports psychologist I was going to mention Dach. Let's hope it's rust because he is awful. If it is rust, will it subside after 20 games or a whole season? As far as Marty, Dach should not be on the 1st PP unit. Maybe the compromise is to replace Dach with Hutson. I note that 6 on 5 with Maths and Lane, we kept the Pens hemmed in for a good few minutes. Marty is going to have to put Lane on the 1st PP sooner or later. Might as well get Dach off. I note that even the Prime commentators, after watching Lane play for two periods, were surprised he was not on the 1st unit. Come on Marty! |
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Post by Cranky on Oct 14, 2024 22:05:11 GMT -5
I'm watching The Voice, so don't blame me. Hutson needs to mature the use of his dangling. The puck travels faster then him so ANY AND ALL dangles need to be purposed. Either a shot on net or usable pass. I'll see it later.... Ugh! The Voice. Please tell me you have been strapped to a chair in front of the TV.😀 I need to eat...wear clean clothes...not wash dishes...warm the bed... She wants The Voice, she gets The Voice. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Oct 14, 2024 22:08:26 GMT -5
Ugh! The Voice. Please tell me you have been strapped to a chair in front of the TV.😀 I need to eat...wear clean clothes...not wash dishes...warm the bed... She wants The Voice, she gets The Voice. The very definition of marriage... lol |
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Post by Cranky on Oct 14, 2024 22:20:15 GMT -5
I need to eat...wear clean clothes...not wash dishes...warm the bed... She wants The Voice, she gets The Voice. The very definition of marriage... lol We're debating if it's 49 or 50 years. When we "share" the main tv time, it's usually me surfing on the tablet. She doesn't know that I can control the tv through the tablet and is amazed how fast some programs go. At one point, she took the remote with her to the kitchen because she suspects that I'm a no good scoundrel. MOI? |
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Post by PTH on Oct 14, 2024 22:22:07 GMT -5
Matheson and Barron together are a catastrophe.
Hutson makes me doubt all the scouts who told us to temper our enthusiasm.
Dach is rusty and should be replaced by Hutson on the 1st PP.
Xhekaj seems too satisfied being a legit heavyweight #6D when he could be a borderline top 4 that coaches can trust.
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Post by Cranky on Oct 14, 2024 22:22:48 GMT -5
well, he's right . . . course, he didn't say anything about hockey viewers I absolutely hope not. Even if it's free, I can't record it and I can't watch it after it's finished. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Oct 14, 2024 22:28:09 GMT -5
well, he's right . . . course, he didn't say anything about hockey viewers I absolutely hope not. Even if it's free, I can't record it and I can't watch it after it's finished. On the main prime video page click on sports Then click on the nhl logo Then scroll to the bottom of the page, it will show the pens/habs image, click on it Click on Watch Replay |
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Post by PTH on Oct 14, 2024 22:29:07 GMT -5
Aaaaaannnnd...Prime Hockey streams and that's it. No going back to it. All i see now is "event ended". They can shove it....and better not get season long NHL rights. Plus, streaming platforms can make it impossible to avoid commercials. I don't love the idea of paying for a platform that then forces me to watch their numerous commetcials... |
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Post by Cranky on Oct 14, 2024 22:42:52 GMT -5
I absolutely hope not. Even if it's free, I can't record it and I can't watch it after it's finished. On the main prime video page click on sports Then click on the nhl logo Then scroll to the bottom of the page, it will show the pens/habs image, click on it Click on Watch Replay GOT IT Pretty convoluted but finally found it. |
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Post by seventeen on Oct 15, 2024 0:05:09 GMT -5
I know everyone is going to blame Matheson, but that goal was because of Hutson He went in deep, made a few dangles as always, and passed it to no one (which he has done a few times tonight). He has to shoot sometimes, so he isn't caught in deep. I missed the second half of the game so excuse me if I make some comments that don't jive with reality. I didn't see the Hutson plays mentioned above, but what it reminded me of was watching a young Markov make 3 or 4 passes a game to empty space. Markov wasn't hyped so it was easy to criticize him for being behind the play, misfiring, or whatever. In fact, after we got to know Markov and his Brainiac processing speed, it was apparent that the passes weren't bad, his teammates just weren't on the same wavelength with him, and didn't go to those places. That isn't necessarily the case every time, but passes to open space makes you think. On Basu and Godin's notebook today, Arpon Basu related a chat he'd had with Hutson about a particular play where he took that penalty on Batherson (?) in the Ottawa game. Basu said Batherson used an elbow technique which veterans use to try and draw a penalty. (It worked). Hutson replied that he'd had that tried on him in college, so he was used to it, but those guys weren't as fast or strong as NHL players. He also said that he contributed to it because he only had one hand on his stick along with some other reason I can't recall. So he had analyzed the situation, realized his errors and was likely already thinking of ways to deal with that scenario differently. The great players look at their games that way and are constantly working to improve themselves. I'm hoping he's one of those guys. Minus 4 today but on the first minus, Savard made a bad decision to pinch, and on the second, Hutson managed to avoid 2 forecheckers in the corner and get the puck to Anderson on the wing, who lost it and it led to Rackell's goal. If Anderson, who had good control of the puck, gets it to the far side Dman as he was trying to do, or even rims it around the boards, nothing happens. He earned his minus on Letang's goal and then got another on the Empty Netter. Just looking at the replays of the goals, and wow were a lot of players making poor decisions. Letang's goal could have been wiped out if Slaf had just taken the body at the Pens blueline instead of waving his stick at the puck and letting the Pen slide by him. There were other examples of guys not doing the basics. Sigh. Mostly we were outworked. The Pens have gotten off to a bad start and Crosby probably gave them a pep talk prior to our game. Unfortunately, the Pens took it seriously. |
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Post by seventeen on Oct 15, 2024 0:13:40 GMT -5
And Dach is a shadow of his former self... it's like he's playing not to get hurt... he might need a sports psychologist I was going to mention Dach. Let's hope it's rust because he is awful. If it is rust, will it subside after 20 games or a whole season? As far as Marty, Dach should not be on the 1st PP unit. Maybe the compromise is to replace Dach with Hutson. I note that 6 on 5 with Maths and Lane, we kept the Pens hemmed in for a good few minutes. Marty is going to have to put Lane on the 1st PP sooner or later. Might as well get Dach off. I note that even the Prime commentators, after watching Lane play for two periods, were surprised he was not on the 1st unit. Come on Marty! Re Dach. I will stand by my assertion that most players who suffer knee injuries face a mental battle more than a physical one. If the knee is not up to the same level it was before surgery, Dach's career is done. If it is physically 100%, then the player has to believe that. What we see in many cases is that it takes time, which can be up to a year before a guy uses that knee like he used to. Until then, he's not pushing it and he's not effective. Let's hope it's just the latter, but the Habs didn't move up to draft Hage for nothing. There was always the possibility that the Knee injury would ruin or curtail Kirby's career. Let's hope it's just adjustment because it has been a long time since he played. |
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Post by habsorbed on Oct 15, 2024 1:53:57 GMT -5
I was going to mention Dach. Let's hope it's rust because he is awful. If it is rust, will it subside after 20 games or a whole season? As far as Marty, Dach should not be on the 1st PP unit. Maybe the compromise is to replace Dach with Hutson. I note that 6 on 5 with Maths and Lane, we kept the Pens hemmed in for a good few minutes. Marty is going to have to put Lane on the 1st PP sooner or later. Might as well get Dach off. I note that even the Prime commentators, after watching Lane play for two periods, were surprised he was not on the 1st unit. Come on Marty! Re Dach. I will stand by my assertion that most players who suffer knee injuries face a mental battle more than a physical one. If the knee is not up to the same level it was before surgery, Dach's career is done. If it is physically 100%, then the player has to believe that. What we see in many cases is that it takes time, which can be up to a year before a guy uses that knee like he used to. Until then, he's not pushing it and he's not effective. Let's hope it's just the latter, but the Habs didn't move up to draft Hage for nothing. There was always the possibility that the Knee injury would ruin or curtail Kirby's career. Let's hope it's just adjustment because it has been a long time since he played. From my perspective, it ain't the knee as Dach seems to be the strong skater I remember. It seems to be the head and hands which are making dumb decisions or failing to execute. So I'm of the view he needs time to get back into it. But not on the 1st PP unit until he has got it back. And maybe get Armia off his line. |
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Post by Cranky on Oct 15, 2024 2:17:02 GMT -5
Aaaaaannnnd...Prime Hockey streams and that's it. No going back to it. All i see now is "event ended". They can shove it....and better not get season long NHL rights. Plus, streaming platforms can make it impossible to avoid commercials. I don't love the idea of paying for a platform that then forces me to watch their numerous commetcials... I pay $12 per month but there was as many commercials as regular TV. IF Amazon takes the contract and floods us with regular season commercials but no extra cost, I'm good with it. I don't want to lose the slo-mo, but then I'm not paying $30. Is slo-mo worth $30? The upside is that Prime remote has 10 second jumps and easier to use the Ignite remote. |
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Post by Cranky on Oct 15, 2024 2:31:31 GMT -5
Matheson and Barron together are a catastrophe. Hutson makes me doubt all the scouts who told us to temper our enthusiasm. Dach is rusty and should be replaced by Hutson on the 1st PP. Xhekaj seems too satisfied being a legit heavyweight #6D when he could be a borderline top 4 that coaches can trust. X needs a few barrels of energy drinks because he never has any quickness in him. He's a work in progress because he's making fundamental mistakes. Slow outlet passes, letting players behind him, not tying guys up, not nasty enough in the crease...he's not making mistakes in high quantity, but still too many for my liking and definetly too many for a top 4. |
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Post by Polarice on Oct 15, 2024 5:30:23 GMT -5
Weird game to watch....I liked the back and forth, but that defensive pairing of Matherson and Barron has to go.
I actually enjoyed the Prime broadcast....It was way better than Sportsnet and I enjoyed listening to Messier.
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Post by chicagohabs on Oct 15, 2024 7:47:28 GMT -5
A lot of posts ragging on Hutson. i thought he was great. Sure he made some mistakes but so did Maths (actually a few), Savard, and X. I agree hutson should not be playing the minutes he is or the games - it will result in fatigue, or worse an injury. Marty, smarten up! The youth ain't our problem, or why we lost this game. Our problem is our vets. We've all been saying it for some time but Gally, Josh, Dvo, and Armia are hopeless offensively, a don't help much defensively. Until we get rid of 2 if not 3 of those duds, we ain't winning much. And Dach is a shadow of his former self... it's like he's playing not to get hurt... he might need a sports psychologist he may have missed an entire season with a knee injury and not played a meaningful game in 18 months. |
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Post by chicagohabs on Oct 15, 2024 7:48:12 GMT -5
well, he's right . . . course, he didn't say anything about hockey viewers possibly means that with all the cable cutting more people subscribe to prime than tsn.. |
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Post by chicagohabs on Oct 15, 2024 7:50:28 GMT -5
Aaaaaannnnd...Prime Hockey streams and that's it. No going back to it. All i see now is "event ended". They can shove it....and better not get season long NHL rights. Plus, streaming platforms can make it impossible to avoid commercials. I don't love the idea of paying for a platform that then forces me to watch their numerous commetcials... Not at all, there is a genius hack to avoid commercials and watch the entire game in 90 minutes start 45 mins to 1hr late and fwd thru all the intermissions and commercials... |
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Post by franko on Oct 15, 2024 11:34:37 GMT -5
well, he's right . . . course, he didn't say anything about hockey viewers possibly means that with all the cable cutting more people subscribe to prime than tsn.. oh beyond a doubt, but just because someone (in the States because that's where all the hockey fans are) has Prime it doesn't mean that they will tune in to an NHL game. and even in Canada the same. |
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Post by franko on Oct 15, 2024 11:41:02 GMT -5
re: my thoughts on Hutson . . . there are a lot excuses for him (many justified) . . . he is young . . . he is learning on the job . . . he has poor d-partners . . . yes to all. just reminding all that while he wows with his moves he is not perfect/not the Habs messiah (yet, anyway). reminds me a bit of that PK guy . . . amazing offensive maneuvers but sometimes gets out of position because of them.
but he's a rookie and will catch on.
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Post by Cranky on Oct 15, 2024 11:51:48 GMT -5
re: my thoughts on Hutson . . . there are a lot excuses for him (many justified) . . . he is young . . . he is learning on the job . . . he has poor d-partners . . . yes to all. just reminding all that while he wows with his moves he is not perfect/not the Habs messiah (yet, anyway). reminds me a bit of that PK guy . . . amazing offensive maneuvers but sometimes gets out of position because of them. but he's a rookie and will catch on. We seem to have fan boys of some players. I like X but like hell I'm going to ignore when he does stupid things. In fact, it annoys me even more. As the Ancient Greek saying goes (that i just made up)...No good faith or forgivness given to failure... |
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Post by Cranky on Oct 15, 2024 11:58:18 GMT -5
possibly means that with all the cable cutting more people subscribe to prime than tsn.. oh beyond a doubt, but just because someone (in the States because that's where all the hockey fans are) has Prime it doesn't mean that they will tune in to an NHL game. and even in Canada the same. Prime recently went to another level for more money...or you see commercial. I can see Amazons enormous pockets take the contract but I'm not so sure it will be only advertizing based or the Premium Prime. Or some version of Center Lice. Rogers is big, fat hyena but Amazon is simply a monster when it comes to money and getting what they want. |
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Post by seventeen on Oct 15, 2024 12:43:49 GMT -5
There was a tweet from today:
We're either slow, poor in transition or have a crappy system. There's no excuse for this give the talent on hand...unless it's not being used properly. Would be nice to have someone who can win faceoffs too. Wasn't Kapanen decent on faceoffs in his earlier career?
I know Marty is trying to achieve a bunch of things simultaneously. Dach has been awful, which isn't unexpected and he has to play in order to get better, so we're not getting any production from that second line. It's as bad as when he wasn't here last year. How about trying him at wing, with Newhook at centre?
Has Dvorak been good? I wasn't paying attention to his defensive work, but offensively, he has brought nothing. One assist in 4 games. Suzuki is just now getting into game shape. Evans is Evans. We have been weak down the middle and the D corps has been 50/50. Half of them have played well, the other half not so much.
So, yes, Marty has challenges, but some of them are his own doing. We're all waiting for the answer to our question concerning if he can coach a team that is at a new stage. One point- Struble coming back is going to make a sizeable difference. He's a legitimate top 4 guy and if he can stabilize that 3rd pair, it will help.
Another observation. Xhekaj doesn't seem able to stay on his feet in some board battles. My guess is that he has concentrated on upper body strength, which is expected for a fighter, but he can't ignore his core and his legs (if that is indeed the problem). Adam Nicolas will know much better than I, but his lack of winning board battles is a problem.
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Post by habsorbed on Oct 15, 2024 12:47:44 GMT -5
re: my thoughts on Hutson . . . there are a lot excuses for him (many justified) . . . he is young . . . he is learning on the job . . . he has poor d-partners . . . yes to all. just reminding all that while he wows with his moves he is not perfect/not the Habs messiah (yet, anyway). reminds me a bit of that PK guy . . . amazing offensive maneuvers but sometimes gets out of position because of them. but he's a rookie and will catch on. Of all the rookies we've had in the last few decades , Lane excites me the most. His potential is enormous. Anyone watching a Habs game (including the folks on Prime) leave saying wow, that guy is impressive. My fear is he reminds me a lot of Phil Housley - small US born dman with great skating and moves. But Phil only had a few seasons where he was on the plus side of +/-. Now he didn't play for many good teams but we gotta hope Lane doesn't become a liability defensively. In fairness to both Phil and Lane, you don't get a + when you're scoring on the PP, and a goal is a goal. In Housely's rookie year he got 66 points in 77 games. and was a -4. |
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Post by seventeen on Oct 15, 2024 12:59:56 GMT -5
Plus, streaming platforms can make it impossible to avoid commercials. I don't love the idea of paying for a platform that then forces me to watch their numerous commetcials... Not at all, there is a genius hack to avoid commercials and watch the entire game in 90 minutes start 45 mins to 1hr late and fwd thru all the intermissions and commercials... Or go to the bathroom, get a snack, read part of a book, catch up on emails, texts, Twitter, etc. The mute button works wonders. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 15, 2024 13:08:25 GMT -5
Ugh! The Voice. Please tell me you have been strapped to a chair in front of the TV.😀 I need to eat...wear clean clothes...not wash dishes...warm the bed... She wants The Voice, she gets The Voice. Hang in there, mate ... we'll get you through this ... |
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Post by Cranky on Oct 15, 2024 13:12:22 GMT -5
I watched Prime after the game and i could of sworn i could FF comercials.
I got to check that again to make sure.
Obviously watching live brings a ton of wasted time...and aggravation.
One upside of the Prime remote is quick fast forwards and reverse. The best system i ever had was a stand alone recorder that jumped 30 seconds and had multiple slo-mo. But that was WAY back, about 20 years ago.
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Post by franko on Oct 15, 2024 13:31:43 GMT -5
Habs are 0-1 with Alex Barré-Boulet in Laval.
ain't stats grand.
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