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Post by PTH on Jan 25, 2007 22:22:59 GMT -5
Define mid level player. Is it a Perezhogin/Plekanec? Is it a Ryder? From my POV, Ryder would likely be the targeted player. We'd be dealing from a position of numbers, if not strength. He has marquee to a degree. Neither player has a contractual obligation for next year. Philly would have Ryder's rights for another year (if only signed for one). IMO, Ryder and a first would be too much. I'd want to decrease the value of that pick. The pick could be conditional to us re-signing Forsberg. A 1st if he stays, a second if he walks. Remember, we'll be getting a compensatory pick from the league if we do lose him as a UFA, so no need to get anything from Philly if he walks. --- I expect we'd see Niinimaa going the other way, to give us plenty of cap room - and Philly can probably move Niinimaa to a team desperate to get a warm body on defense. Moving Samsonov would be another possibility, though to me Zhogin + Niinimaa + conditionnal pick would work. (the pick being a 1st rounder if he plays most games) |
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Post by Skilly on Jan 25, 2007 22:36:41 GMT -5
The Denver Post is reporting that Forsberg requested a trade to the Avalanche. That's what I hear on Sportsnet. Trying to find link.
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Post by CentreHice on Jan 25, 2007 22:43:58 GMT -5
The Denver Post is reporting that Forsberg requested a trade to the Avalanche. That's what I hear on Sportsnet. Trying to find link. If true, he's obviously willing to waive the no-waive....and he thinks the Avs have a legit shot at Stanley. Hmmmm..... |
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Post by Skilly on Jan 25, 2007 22:44:28 GMT -5
Peter Forsberg Coming Back To Avs?Avalanche Officials In Talks With Forsberg DENVER -- 7Sports has confirmed Peter Forsberg talked with Colorado Avalanche officials about returning to the team this season.
It has gone horribly wrong in Philadelphia and Forsberg wants to come back to the team he helped win two Stanley cups.
Forsberg left when the Avs decided they didn't have enough money to keep him. He signed a two-year $11.5 million deal with the Flyers but the general manager quit, the coach was fired and they're the worst team in the league.
Forsberg has also battled injuries all season long.
7Sports has learned Forsberg wants to be traded back to the Avs, but financials will play a big part. Avs would have to unload Jose Theodore and others to make cap room or Forsberg could re-sign after the season.
So who would want Theo now? Philadelphia's response to this rumour is found on their website. Holmgren Dispels Forsberg Rumor(January 25) - Flyers General Manager Paul Holmgren on Thursday said the following about a report involving center Peter Forsberg talking with the Colorado Avalanche about a possible return to his old team from the Flyers.
“Colorado is a team that has asked about [Peter Forsberg], and our stance all along has been that when we get to that point with Peter, we will get to that point. But, we haven’t gotten to that point.
“I have talked to Peter a few times but not about a) whether he wants to be traded and b) if he does, where do you want to go? So, our focus has been with getting his skate/foot issues fixed and possibly doing something with the Flyers on a longer term. All of this other stuff, in my opinion, is a bunch of [nonsense] stirred up by whoever.”
All rumour sites though mention 11 teams interested .... there is a mole. 
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Jan 25, 2007 22:50:02 GMT -5
Aw shucks, Handzus it will be then. Or Comrie if we're lucky.
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Post by seventeen on Jan 25, 2007 23:49:33 GMT -5
If Forsberg wants another crack at Stanley, AND with the Avalanche, then I don't want him because his brain has turned to mush. I'd be willing to part with Any d-man except Markov, Souray, Dandy & Komi (but I'd prefer to keep Streit too). Up front Holmgren can have Samsonov, or (sigh) Plekanec but not both. The deal can't be more than one player, and a conditional draft choice. While I covet Forsberg, the fact remains he's not only a rental, but a damaged one. So it depends on how collectively foolish several GM's can be.
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Post by PTH on Jan 26, 2007 0:58:30 GMT -5
If Forsberg wants another crack at Stanley, AND with the Avalanche, then I don't want him because his brain has turned to mush. I'd be willing to part with Any d-man except Markov, Souray, Dandy & Komi (but I'd prefer to keep Streit too). Up front Holmgren can have Samsonov, or (sigh) Plekanec but not both. The deal can't be more than one player, and a conditional draft choice. While I covet Forsberg, the fact remains he's not only a rental, but a damaged one. So it depends on how collectively foolish several GM's can be. As Skilly will undoubtedly point out, if you deal Plekanec and nothing more, Forsberg won't fit under the cap. We HAVE to send a big salary the other way - it can be a waste of cap space like Niinimaa though, and that would be my approach. |
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Jan 26, 2007 1:40:49 GMT -5
If Forsberg wants another crack at Stanley, AND with the Avalanche, then I don't want him because his brain has turned to mush. I'd be willing to part with Any d-man except Markov, Souray, Dandy & Komi (but I'd prefer to keep Streit too). Up front Holmgren can have Samsonov, or (sigh) Plekanec but not both. The deal can't be more than one player, and a conditional draft choice. While I covet Forsberg, the fact remains he's not only a rental, but a damaged one. So it depends on how collectively foolish several GM's can be. As Skilly will undoubtedly point out, if you deal Plekanec and nothing more, Forsberg won't fit under the cap. We HAVE to send a big salary the other way - it can be a waste of cap space like Niinimaa though, and that would be my approach. As I have pointed out (perhaps you missed the memo), Samsonov is the ideal candidate. He is a talented underachiever (to a lesser degree than Kovalev) with a hefty price tag, and thus eminently dispensible. Niinimaa at this point is clearly nothing more than ballast and unlikely to eliciit any interest. Samsonov, because he is such a pretty skater and puck handler (as long as no-one bumps into him), and has a past record of putting up respectable mid-level scoring stats, can be enticing to the right sucker party. Gainey will be stuck with his Ninny-man. Samsonov is the odds on favourite to be cut loose. Forsberg's brain may be mushy and his spleen may be gone but he still out-produces our dancing Samovar. The Finnish tin man is but a spectator in this scenario. But I may be wrong. |
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Post by franko on Jan 26, 2007 5:11:18 GMT -5
So it depends on how collectively foolish several GM's can be. Are yo kidding me? These are the same GMs who collectively caused a year without hockey because they didn't know the meaning of paying too much for a player. Still don't. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 26, 2007 7:46:36 GMT -5
Heard on TSN this morning that the Flyers might be willing to part with as many as six roster players. Any ideas who they might be talking about other than Forsberg?
Also, there's a lot of hype surrounding where Forsberg will be going. I think Maguire said this morning that Forsbert will end up in Detroit while Dreger said he'll end up in Colorado.
Wouldn't surprise me if Forsberg didn't come to Montreal. It wouldn't be the first time.
Cheers.
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Jan 26, 2007 7:56:36 GMT -5
So it depends on how collectively foolish several GM's can be. Are yo kidding me? These are the same GMs who collectively caused a year without hockey because they didn't know the meaning of paying too much for a player. Still don't. It was all done so we could have the rule changes, doncha know. Yeah, that's it. Couldn't have had those rule changes without the lockout. Hey, where do I buy my cap? |
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Jan 26, 2007 8:09:10 GMT -5
Heard on TSN this morning that the Flyers might be willing to part with as many as six roster players. Any ideas who they might be talking about other than Forsberg? Hmmm, my guesses: Forsberg, Sanderson, York, Hatcher, Zhitnik, Esche. As was mentioned above Colorado, Detroit and the new-look Rangers were cited as possible destinations along with Montreal. Now that the media has laid the groundwork the puck sits squarely in Holmgren's court. It's very definitely a seller's market. Here's the perfect opportunity for Uncle George to demonstrate his "I don't give a ****, I want this model on my showroom floor" worthyness. |
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Post by Marvin on Jan 26, 2007 8:17:34 GMT -5
Because of his past heroics, Forsberg will cost WAY too much. Holmgren doesn't need him in Philly, and he knows that teams on the cusp (Rangers, Habs, etc) are interested. I'd never give up a good prospect or a top 6 forward for him.
Marv
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Post by franko on Jan 26, 2007 8:27:38 GMT -5
Are yo kidding me? These are the same GMs who collectively caused a year without hockey because they didn't know the meaning of paying too much for a player. Still don't. It was all done so we could have the rule changes, doncha know. Yeah, that's it. Couldn't have had those rule changes without the lockout. Hey, where do I buy my cap? Cap-schmap. It was all about increasing attendance, and it worked. Just look at Nashville Florida New Jersey oops. But have you seen our fancy new uniforms? |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jan 26, 2007 8:29:36 GMT -5
I'm probably in the minority here, but I don't think Forsberg is the answer at all. Since the beginning of the season he's had, a wrist injury, an ankle injury, a concussion, 2 groin injuries, a back injury, he also missed time because of the flu... etc... he's been talking about retirement for the last 5 years (and he's just 33!)... He's also the guy that refused to participate in a shoot out for obscure stick reason. In other words, he's became the ultimate prima-donna of hockey. The Flyers made the great mistake of counting on him and look what's happened to them... Will he turn it up in the playoffs when every game is a battle and opposing players will be targeting his "famous" foot or will he mail it in and quit on the guys... I tend to believe the latter. Peter is no longer the player he may once have been. Rumor has it that in Philly the room is completely divided between the youngsters and the veterans where the younger guys feel the other gang is holding back the team....
If we'd only have questions about his health it would be one thing but IMO the biggest questions now is about his desire and commitment to hockey. Don't want a guy like that in my room.
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Jan 26, 2007 8:35:11 GMT -5
Just read the results of a Léger Marketing survey conducted for the Journal de Montréal. 595 Québec hockey fans were polled. Only 9% believe the Habs will make a trade. The most likely candidates to be sent packing were: Samsonov (13%), Aebischer (11%), Kovalev (8%), and Niinimaa (7%). The most desired players were: Brad Richards, Sakic, Forsberg, and Laperrière.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 26, 2007 9:24:03 GMT -5
Heard on TSN this morning that the Flyers might be willing to part with as many as six roster players. Any ideas who they might be talking about other than Forsberg? Hmmm, my guesses: York, Hmm ... I don't think Gainey would have to negotiate too hard for this right-handed centre. A very good way of putting it Mr. B-E. Especially if considers which players he could potentially lose next year. Cheers. |
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Post by Skilly on Jan 26, 2007 9:52:14 GMT -5
The Rangers placed Darius Kasparitis on waivers. Making room for Forsberg?
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 26, 2007 9:53:42 GMT -5
I'm probably in the minority here, but I don't think Forsberg is the answer at all. Since the beginning of the season he's had, a wrist injury, an ankle injury, a concussion, 2 groin injuries, a back injury, he also missed time because of the flu... etc... he's been talking about retirement for the last 5 years (and he's just 33!)... He's also the guy that refused to participate in a shoot out for obscure stick reason. In other words, he's became the ultimate prima-donna of hockey. The Flyers made the great mistake of counting on him and look what's happened to them... Will he turn it up in the playoffs when every game is a battle and opposing players will be targeting his "famous" foot or will he mail it in and quit on the guys... I tend to believe the latter. Peter is no longer the player he may once have been. Rumor has it that in Philly the room is completely divided between the youngsters and the veterans where the younger guys feel the other gang is holding back the team.... If we'd only have questions about his health it would be one thing but IMO the biggest questions now is about his desire and commitment to hockey. Don't want a guy like that in my room. I hadn't heard about the stick thing, Doc. You could be right about your assumptions. Mr. B-E cited Mike York as possibly one of the players the Flyers might be willing to part with. He's a right-handed centre with some experience (29 years old). I looked at his TSN profile and they say he plays a pretty good two-way game as well. He has some flaws as well but at the moment we don't have a right-handed centre other that Lapierre and he's back in Hamilton. The more I think of it the more I think a depth player like this could help the club. I don't think Gainey would have to touch the roster to bring him in either. If he does and the Flyers would be interested in, say, Samsonov (and his money) a deal for York, plus whatever, might be able to be worked out. Now Gainey wouldn't be saving all that much, * Mike York, 1 year @ $2.85 mil, * Samsonov, 1 year remaining on a 2-year $7.05 mil, Good for both teams. Gainey gets the right-handed centre he's been looking for and some cap room. Flyers get a player who desperately needs a change in scenery. Cheers. Cheers. |
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Post by HabSolute on Jan 26, 2007 11:31:53 GMT -5
Just read the results of a Léger Marketing survey conducted for the Journal de Montréal. 595 Québec hockey fans were polled. Only 9% believe the Habs will make a trade. The most likely candidates to be sent packing were: Samsonov (13%), Aebischer (11%), Kovalev (8%), and Niinimaa (7%). The most desired players were: Brad Richards, Sakic, Forsberg, and Laperrière. Actually, it says that only 9% of Habs fans believe that the Habs can win the cup.. your French is rusty .. 56% believe that Carbo success depends on if we do a transaction... |
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Post by Forum Ghost on Jan 26, 2007 11:53:23 GMT -5
I'm probably in the minority here, but I don't think Forsberg is the answer at all. Since the beginning of the season he's had, a wrist injury, an ankle injury, a concussion, 2 groin injuries, a back injury, he also missed time because of the flu... etc... he's been talking about retirement for the last 5 years (and he's just 33!)... He's also the guy that refused to participate in a shoot out for obscure stick reason. In other words, he's became the ultimate prima-donna of hockey. The Flyers made the great mistake of counting on him and look what's happened to them... Will he turn it up in the playoffs when every game is a battle and opposing players will be targeting his "famous" foot or will he mail it in and quit on the guys... I tend to believe the latter. Peter is no longer the player he may once have been. Rumor has it that in Philly the room is completely divided between the youngsters and the veterans where the younger guys feel the other gang is holding back the team.... If we'd only have questions about his health it would be one thing but IMO the biggest questions now is about his desire and commitment to hockey. Don't want a guy like that in my room. I think you're being way too hard on him Doc. Calling a guy like Forsberg a "prima-donna" is a bit too extreme. Of all the players in the NHL, I doubt that Peter Forsberg is one whose desire needs to be questioned. The only drawback to him I would see is his injury history, but I would never question his heart. Proof of that is despite all the injuries he's had this season, he's still managed to produce close to a PPG (28 pts in 31 games). And you're questioning if he'll turn it up in the playoffs, but remember that this is the same player who has a career post-season PPG of 1.17. That's including the 8 pts in 6 games that he posted in last season's playoffs. I doubt that desire has disappeared in less than a year. The Flyers counted on Forsberg to lead them to success, but Forsberg's held up his end of the bargain by producing whenever he's been on the ice, whether it be regular season or playoffs. If you're looking at why the Flyers are struggling, take a look at their slow defence and shaky goaltending. In 91 regular season games as a Flyer, Forsberg's put up 103 points. You can't expect the guy to do much more than that. Those stats don't reflect a guy who "quit" or "mailed it in". And the reason he didn't participate in the shootout wasn't because of a "stick thing", it was because Forsberg was facing Henrik Lundqvist. Forsberg admitted that Lundqvist knows his moves in the shootout so it wouldn't be a good idea to face him. He said that the Flyers would be better off going with a guy that Lundqvist doesn't know. Call him injury prone, but I have to disagree when someone questions his desire or commitment to hockey. Players like him don't become available too often. If a deal could be swung, I would go for Forsberg in a heartbeat. |
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Post by jkr on Jan 26, 2007 14:08:24 GMT -5
I agree with FG on Fosberg's heart. This guy busted all the sterotypes about Swedish players. He was tougher than a lot of North Americans. I don't think he'd be a problem in the room. I think he would be more of an inspiration.
However his injury history scares me & I don't see the Flyers taking people like Samsonov or Niinimaa off Gainey's hands. Unless Philly was willing to take someone who is not in the top six & a conditional pick I wouldn't do it.
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Jan 26, 2007 14:29:48 GMT -5
Just read the results of a Léger Marketing survey conducted for the Journal de Montréal. 595 Québec hockey fans were polled. Only 9% believe the Habs will make a trade. The most likely candidates to be sent packing were: Samsonov (13%), Aebischer (11%), Kovalev (8%), and Niinimaa (7%). The most desired players were: Brad Richards, Sakic, Forsberg, and Laperrière. Actually, it says that only 9% of Habs fans believe that the Habs can win the cup.. your French is rusty .. 56% believe that Carbo success depends on if we do a transaction... Creak, creak. I must have been in the Forsberg Fog when I translated that. 9 out 10 surveyed don't think the Habs have a shot at the Cup—if that isn't a sign of religion being on the decline I don't know what is. Can't see Carbonneau being tossed overboard after this season. The club is on pace for a 99 point season, the best since Julien was at the helm and, er, um, let's not go there. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jan 26, 2007 15:01:16 GMT -5
; I think you're being way too hard on him Doc. Calling a guy like Forsberg a "prima-donna" is a bit too extreme. ..well, I'm an extreme kinda guy Forsberg always has a little something nagging him here and there and always seems to be on the virge or retiring or something... Heck, Koivu went through cancer and 2 knee reconstructions yet you don't always see him take time off for every little boo-boo... What can I tell ya. I don't like him. At all. Never have. Always felt he was a whiner, a diver and a fraud (how's that for extreme? ) Stats wise, I can't say a thing, he's got world class talent. |
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Post by Andrew on Jan 26, 2007 15:53:09 GMT -5
However his injury history scares me & I don't see the Flyers taking people like Samsonov or Niinimaa off Gainey's hands. Unless Philly was willing to take someone who is not in the top six & a conditional pick I wouldn't do it. I could see them taking Niinimaa off our hands if significant value were already going Philly's way and the deal hinged on Montreal shedding salary. They wouldn't be on the hook for him next season - and this season is already a write off. |
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Post by CentreHice on Jan 26, 2007 15:53:55 GMT -5
Can't see Carbonneau being tossed overboard after this season. Watch your metaphors......... So easy to do.... |
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Post by Skilly on Jan 26, 2007 22:12:34 GMT -5
Koivu went through cancer and 2 knee reconstructions yet you don't always see him take time off for every little boo-boo... No ... but Koivu has missed 1/3rd of his career to injury. He has only played 617 games out of a possible 902. I love Koivu, but I'd be willing to bet that he'll be leaning towards retiring at the end of this contract (at age 35). Sounds awful Forsberg like. |
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Post by HFTO on Jan 26, 2007 22:59:32 GMT -5
I'm with you Doc,Forsberg is not the missing piece to this team.
Unfortunately were not good enough nor is he at this point.
The Habs need help in several areas IMO and what are the chances of filling several needs at the deadline.
As good as Huet is he is no Brodeur or Roy if he was I'd say we have a shot.
As badly as I'd like to see them win I'm realistically hoping to see at very least a first round playoff victory and ultimately two to show real progress,but the fact remains we'd need alot of luck to advance with the current crew that has shown little if any consistency.If the core of kids can keep improving hopefully Gainey can keep the right ones and continue adding from there.
HFTO
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Post by Forum Ghost on Jan 27, 2007 0:54:29 GMT -5
..well, I'm an extreme kinda guy Forsberg always has a little something nagging him here and there and always seems to be on the virge or retiring or something... Heck, Koivu went through cancer and 2 knee reconstructions yet you don't always see him take time off for every little boo-boo... What can I tell ya. I don't like him. At all. Never have. Always felt he was a whiner, a diver and a fraud (how's that for extreme? ) Stats wise, I can't say a thing, he's got world class talent. Ah so the truth comes out. Understandable if you don't like the guy. We all have our favourites. But, again, in Forsberg's defence, his injuries have been pretty major. Everything from broken ankles to a ruptured spleen. Not things that I would necessarily call boo-boos.  I remember Malakhov sitting out a playoff game for the Habs because he had stiffness in his neck...  If you want prima-donna, look no further than Vlad. |
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Post by Forum Ghost on Jan 27, 2007 0:57:28 GMT -5
I know that the Habs have to drop some salary if they want Forsberg, hence the mentioning of Sammy and Janne, but if the Flyers are in rebuilding mode, why would they want two overpaid veterans?
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