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Post by Neo on Sept 30, 2003 9:38:19 GMT -5
Just read this on Spector's site
Interesting.....
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Post by legaspesien on Sept 30, 2003 9:43:40 GMT -5
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Sept 30, 2003 9:47:20 GMT -5
Away, tabernac.
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Post by blaise on Sept 30, 2003 10:49:51 GMT -5
Gainey would be making a big mistake if he gave away players who could have a future with the Habs to acquire Primeau, although trade for Perreault wouldn't be bad. Primeau has been slipping and the Habs couldn't get a lot of mileage out of him. Besides, he's very expensive.
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Post by TheHabsfan on Sept 30, 2003 10:51:24 GMT -5
Bobby Clarke will trade a big, tough centerman for one of the all time softies....RRRIIIIIIGGGGGHHHHHTTTTT!
THF
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Post by Raskolnikov76 on Sept 30, 2003 10:56:07 GMT -5
I don't want Primeau.
I'd rather have Perreault.
I'm sure Perrault has more playoffs goals than Primeau.
Primeau is the worst captain ever.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Sept 30, 2003 11:35:08 GMT -5
Kieth Primeau is 23 years old. oops, I mean 32.
He has scored 19 goals in each of the last two years playing a lot of games with good wingers.
He's big and physical and has taken his share of hits and given out more than his share.
Normally I don't want another 30 something taking up a prospects spot on the roster, but Kieth is the kind of player we are short of; our muscle up front isn't doing the job. Perrault's playmaking is a good fit for Philly and Primeau is a good fit here. This trade won't turn the league upside down, but it could help both teams. Better Primeau than Dwyer or Edouard Carpentier.
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Post by Spotnick on Sept 30, 2003 11:50:55 GMT -5
Kieth Primeau is 23 years old. oops, I mean 32. He has scored 19 goals in each of the last two years playing a lot of games with good wingers. He's big and physical and has taken his share of hits and given out more than his share. Normally I don't want another 30 something taking up a prospects spot on the roster, but Kieth is the kind of player we are short of; our muscle up front isn't doing the job. Perrault's playmaking is a good fit for Philly and Primeau is a good fit here. This trade won't turn the league upside down, but it could help both teams. Better Primeau than Dwyer or Edouard Carpentier. He would take another 30 something spot... Like it or not, our team would be better.. Perreault is a good guy, but he's invisible on the road... that's not very useful! |
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Post by Chopper on Sept 30, 2003 11:51:39 GMT -5
I hope this trade happens, although I know it's just a rumour. Primeau is a big center who can play well in all areas of the game. He's not all that offensive, but he can put up Perreault type numbers, with the added size and muscle. He also isn't a defensive liability, and if I recall, he's good at faceoffs. I don't see any down side really. Unless that is, we trade a young promising prospect.
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Post by Patty Roy on Sept 30, 2003 11:55:04 GMT -5
I don't want Primeau. I'd rather have Perreault. I'm sure Perrault has more playoffs goals than Primeau. Primeau is the worst captain ever. Who cares about playoff performances...the goal right now should be to make the playoffs...the Habs would have a much better chance at making the postseason with Primeau than they would with Perreault. That said, no way in heck does Bobby Clarke make that deal... |
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Post by Habit on Sept 30, 2003 11:56:18 GMT -5
At 6'5", 220 lbs isn't that big. He should be 245 lbs! Now that would be a terror. ;D
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Post by Raskolnikov76 on Sept 30, 2003 13:32:09 GMT -5
Who cares about playoff performances...the goal right now should be to make the playoffs...the Habs would have a much better chance at making the postseason with Primeau than they would with Perreault. That said, no way in heck does Bobby Clarke make that deal... Remember when the Flyers scored 1 goals in 4 games against Ottawa? If i remember correctly, Primeau was the captain at the time. All he did is "let's blame bill barber" wow, what a captain! At least perreault scores some big goal. Primeau is a total loser IMO. |
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Post by MPLABBE on Sept 30, 2003 13:39:34 GMT -5
Exactly. Heck, Fournier probably didn't even bring it up and the emailer simply invented it and sent it to spectors hoping to get his name on the net. |
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Post by Kareem on Sept 30, 2003 15:33:11 GMT -5
Although I dont believe it, it would be great for this team as long as Ribeiro keeps a spot on the first three lines as a center, if he fails we would have more options. Primeau can easily put up Perreault type numbers, lets not forget hes in a very strict system where even Recchi and couldnt put up points last year. Hes good at faceoffs and hes huge, he would also take a lot of pressure out of Koivu. Perreault+anything without first rounder or prospect for Primeau any time.
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Post by Habit on Sept 30, 2003 15:35:23 GMT -5
He would be a better fit with Detroit. There not in the same division, and he could take over the duties (abet not as well) of Fedorov.
No Primeau Please!!
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Post by Kareem on Sept 30, 2003 15:39:24 GMT -5
If he could take on the duties of Fedorov and play with a stanley cup contending team, couldnt he help the Habs and do much better then a liability like Perreault?
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Post by Habit on Sept 30, 2003 15:57:59 GMT -5
With a stacked team like Detriot, he would not have to be the leader. Like many posters have said over and over, he would be a rent a player and not figure in the long run. Why add him to a team like Montreal?
If I were the GM, I might be after Fedor Fedorov from Vancouver. Apparently, he's on the GM's last nerve! Lazy player, but a guy like CJ and BG could get his work ethic going again.
Plus we all know of his fathers love of Montreal!!
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Post by Kareem on Sept 30, 2003 16:10:18 GMT -5
I'd add him for the simple fact that hes a huge improvement over Perreault. Perreault could also be considered a rent-a player since he has just one year left on his contract. Primeau is exactly what we lack: A huge guy, with decent stats, whos huge and can play against ANY center in this league. Hes a veteran too and much more valuable to a team then Perreault could ever be.
Our center depth would be alot better;
Koivu
Primeau
Ribeiro
Kilger
Thats size AND skill I dont see whats wrong with that, It would be much better then deadweights like Perreault and Juneau.
EDIT: Ribeiro is 3rd center based on ice time and not as a checking center.
EX: Koivu:18
Primeau:17
Ribeiro: 15
Kilger: 10
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Post by AH on Sept 30, 2003 16:13:49 GMT -5
I don't like Primeau. never have. Any team with him as Captain is not going anywhere (see the under-achieeving Flyers of the last 3 years). His skills are on the decline and definitlitely not worth $5 million. His 9 goals in 110 career playoff games is all you need to know about him as a competitor.
However, he is in the last year of his deal and his type of player is exactly what we need to backup Koivu and Ribeiro on the top 2 lines. He brings size, toughness, and decent 2 way play up the middle. These qualities are definitely missing from our team. As for his playoff non-performances, we will worry about it when we get there.
I wouldn't be overly destroyed to have him as a short term solution at center, only if Bob can't find a long term solution immediately (highly unlikely).
So what would it cost to get him ? Perreault and a pick could do it. The Flyers power play sucks worse than ours, they are miserable is the circle, and they have serious trouble against Ottawa at crucial times (see playoffs last 2 years). Yannick is the prefect PP specialist, we know about his faceoff proficiency, AND he is a Sens killer.
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Post by Kareem on Sept 30, 2003 16:18:27 GMT -5
I agree with AH, this type of trade would instantly give us a chance to make the playoffs. With already great goaltending, good defense and a system adding size and skill while unloading deadwood would greatly help our chances and make the "transition" process faster. Primeau would only replace Perreault and not Ribeiro.
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Post by MPLABBE on Sept 30, 2003 16:20:45 GMT -5
For those who are wondering, Primeau makes 5 million per and is a UFA at season's end.
I still don't think this rumor has any credibility. But I'd definitely do a Perreault + a little something else for Primeau kind of deal(wouldn't we get a good 2nd round compensation pick once Primeau leaves as a UFA?).
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Post by ethan on Sept 30, 2003 16:29:36 GMT -5
The numbers..... Perreault gm go as pts +/- pim 2002-03 Montreal 73 24 22 46 -11 30 2001-02 Montreal 82 27 29 56 -3 40 2000-01 Toronto 76 24 28 52 0 52 1999-00 Toronto 58 18 27 45 +3 22 1998-99 Toronto 12 7 8 15 +10 12 1998-99 Los Angeles 64 10 17 27 -3 30 1998-99 Total LA/Tor 76 17 25 42 +7 42 1997-98 Los Angeles 79 28 20 48 +6 32 1996-97 Los Angeles 41 11 14 25 0 20 1995-96 Los Angeles 78 25 24 49 -11 16 1994-95 Los Angeles 26 2 5 7 +3 20 Primeau 2002-03 Philadelphia 80 19 27 46 +4 93 2001-02 Philadelphia 75 19 29 48 -3 128 2000-01 Philadelphia 71 34 39 73 +17 76 1999-00 Philadelphia 23 7 10 17 +10 31 1998-99 Carolina 78 30 32 62 +8 75 1997-98 Carolina 81 26 37 63 +19 110 1996-97 Hartford 75 26 25 51 -3 161 1995-96 Detroit 74 27 25 52 +19 168 1994-95 Detroit 45 15 27 42 +17 99 1993-94 Detroit 78 31 42 73 +34 173 1992-93 Detroit 73 15 17 32 -6 152 1991-92 Detroit 35 6 10 16 +9 83 Totals Yannick Perreault NHL 602 179 197 376 -5 274 Keith Primeau- NHL 846 258 332 590 +113 1455 If Clarke was foolish enough to pull the trigger on this deal, we'd be nuts to pass on it, even if we had to throw in some spare parts (imagine if we could throw in breeze-by...) Primeau is a tough, relatively consistent two-way player. he brings leadership, experience, and grit to the the lineup, not to mention that he could easily line up as our 3rd line checking centre, thus allowing ribs to play on the 2nd line without constantly looking over his shoulder, and truly get the opportunity to prove he's a player. Oh yeah, and he was good enough for team canada to put him on the olimpic team in 98, where he played well in a checking centre role. Perreault brings a little more goal scoring, a better face off %, not much playoff experience, no grit, no defensive play, no leadership and forces us to spend the year debating who should be the 2nd line centre, thus never giving Ribs a clear shot at the spot... I don't think this move will happen, especially since Hitchcock is a defensive minded coach 9why in the world would he want yannick?  ), but hey, if it happens, I'll be estatic!!! Heck, I'd be estatic if Kilger could smarten up and play a Primeau style game.... |
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Post by ethan on Sept 30, 2003 16:31:18 GMT -5
Hitchcock
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Post by ethan on Sept 30, 2003 16:31:46 GMT -5
What's going on here??? What's wrong with Hitchcock's name? |
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Sept 30, 2003 16:39:42 GMT -5
It's a mechanism to prevent posters from getting too roostery with their use of language.
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Post by ethan on Sept 30, 2003 16:45:01 GMT -5
got it, I meant Kent H, the ex dallas stars coach, just in case people where wondering.
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Post by AH on Sept 30, 2003 16:47:14 GMT -5
What's going on here??? What's wrong with Hitchrooster's name? This site automatically substitutes rooster for rooster ... Hey look, it did it again ... ;D I see what you are saying about Primeau and why the heck would the Flyers deal him ? For one, Primeau is a bad apple (he has no leadership abilities) and has basically over-stayed his welcome in Philly (sort of like Brisebois). He makes $5 million a year and not many teams can afford that, thus his market value is real low. Perreault on the other hand makes almost half of that salary but is not as good as Primeau in all aspects of the game. He is still very marketable around the league due to his lower salary. You know what that these factors mean? Their market values are about the same. Believe it or not but for the first time in a long time, the Flyers want to slash payroll. They are re-tooling somewhat this year by giving increased playing time to their younger players at goal, defense, and forward. You will see a new Flyers team emerge after the CBA and it will be without Keith Primeau. |
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Sept 30, 2003 17:04:18 GMT -5
Primeau for Brisebois, anyone?
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Post by jl.roberts on Sept 30, 2003 17:17:11 GMT -5
Primeau for Brisebois, anyone? Noone, unforunately. To think we'd be getting Primeau for Perreault is insane. I'd hate to lose Garon before giving him a chance. I think that if we were going to give up the talent it would cost to grab Primeau, I would much rather use that talent for Eric Daze. I would certainly not be opposed to a Bulis, Perezhogin for Daze deal. |
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Post by ethan on Sept 30, 2003 17:34:41 GMT -5
Noone, unforunately. To think we'd be getting Primeau for Perreault is insane. I'd hate to lose Garon before giving him a chance. I think that if we were going to give up the talent it would cost to grab Primeau, I would much rather use that talent for Eric Daze. I would certainly not be opposed to a Bulis, Perezhogin for Daze deal. A quote from TSN .Ca re Eric Daze's weaknesses: Doesn't dominate a game physically, though he has the size to do so. Is still trying to shake the inconsistency label Do we really need another Kilger with a little more scoring flair??? And to get him at the cost of bulis, who is coming off his best season yet, and just entering his prime, and Perezhogin, a guy ranked in the top 50 NHL prospects by almost everyone? Doesn't seem like a a good deal to me, maybe if the haws threw in Ruutu, or Bell and Klem... then Ok, but straight up, no thanks! |
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), but hey, if it happens, I'll be estatic!!! Heck, I'd be estatic if Kilger could smarten up and play a Primeau style game....