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Post by MPLABBE on Sept 30, 2003 18:02:16 GMT -5
Daze also has a wonky back that has been troubling him the past few seasons.
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Post by jl.roberts on Sept 30, 2003 18:14:08 GMT -5
He's 6'6. 230+. He's only a year removed from 38 goals. He would be an incredible player with Koivu, and would cost roughly the same ammount. There's no way in HELL we take Philly's captain away from them for Mathieu Garon/Yanic Perreault. That's absurd. To get something good, you have to give up something good. I read Daze's profile too, but Bulis and Perezhogin aren't particularily big guys.  |
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Post by ethan on Sept 30, 2003 18:29:46 GMT -5
sounds like your on the "size matters" side...
i just don't buy it, especially with a softie like daze... 581 career games, 174 pim's... a whopping 14 last year... Not exactly the physically dominating type eh!
I don't know, I guess I can't deny that i would rather see Eric Daze lined up next to koivu than a Bulis, but all around, I'd much rather have Bulis and zhogin. Also, Bulis is not a small man at 6'2"210, and he's known for his great lower body strength... Perezhogin is 6'0"190, and only 20, so he'll probably be a 200+ pound nhler... Not small guys by any stretch. Now, offer me Daze for Audette and Balej, and I'd be all over it.
Also, If garon is the "throw in" that goes with the Perreault / Primeau deal, foget about it! Garon will be a great one, just watch!
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Post by Patty Roy on Sept 30, 2003 18:53:53 GMT -5
Primeau for Brisebois, anyone? Sure. But word is that the Flyers are actually trying to drop a veteran defenceman...they have kids like Pitkanen and Vandermeer who they would like to make room for in the lineup. |
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Post by PTH on Sept 30, 2003 23:09:18 GMT -5
I'd happily take on Primeau rather than Perreault - assuming we have the dollars to do it. I'd be fine with throwing in a spare part that might fill a Flyer need at the same time, but wouldn't really look at dealing any kind of youth, unless it's someone both AS and BG have given up on anyways.
Primeau would add size and grit, and with a 2-way checking/grind line built around Keith, having Ribeiro centering a second offense-type line would be a reasonable proposition.
But I doubt it could happen. But it would be fun. Maybe Primeau would even like it up here and want to stick around in a support role for a couple of years.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Oct 1, 2003 2:16:10 GMT -5
After reading all the posts aboout Primeau, "Who says size doesn't matter?"
That's why Hudler and Locke didn't get picked in the first round.
Having Primeau on the team wouldn't hurt.
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Post by blny on Oct 1, 2003 7:38:04 GMT -5
I'd swing that deal, but I don't see it happening. Gainey has no intention of making a deal before he's seen this team in regular season action for some time. That said I'll examine the rumour. Primeau is not on at the top of my list when it comes to centres. However, there are very few of what people consider big guys that are. Primeau, Gratton, etc are always in demand, but aren't exactly the most skilled. Keith has shown an ability to put up Perreault like numbers, and sometimes more. He skates well, is decent in the circle, and isn't shy. His skating, size, and grit would be upgrades. However, with grit comes penalties. We had better learn how to kill them off if we're gonna be taking more of them. As one of the least penalized teams in the league, we should have given up far fewer PP goals than we did last year. Yanic is a great faceoff man, with great hands, and a knack for the net. He doesn't skate overly well, which may be the biggest reason he doesn't get more assists. Yanic is also one of the softest players in the league. They're playoff numbers probable aren't that dissimilar, although I'm not aware of them.
Overall, I'd do this deal. Both have one season left on their contracts, and Primeau is more versatile than Perreault. Keith can provide most of what Yanic did, and provide all the things that Yanic can't. Clarke would likely want something else along with Perreault. That being the case, I'd start very small. Start with a pick. The fact that both players are nearing UFA, will give Clarke little in the way of real bargaining power. Perreault and a 4th rounder is realistic to me.
As for Daze, well .... Eric is greatly skilled, but he is way too soft. Stevie Sullivan is more physical. I think he'd look great on Koivu's right, but we won't see him in Montreal (except when the Hawks are in town).
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Post by mikeg on Oct 1, 2003 8:01:18 GMT -5
Hmmm let`s see, we would be dumping a smurf with major defensive liabilities, for a giant on the tail end of his career.
smurf.... giant... smurf... giant...
primeau is exactly the kind of player we need, only 10 years too old. but still.. find me a 23 year old giant of a forward who can produce right now, where we don`t have to give up any youth, then i might not like this trade.. can`t do it eh?
so.. therefore.. let`s send one of our smurf`s packing and let the giant come in to clear some bodies for the other 15 smurf`s.
i like it.
i just can`t imagine clarke taking a guy like perreault in return. which is why i fear that if the trade does go through we might lose some youth..
mike
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Oct 1, 2003 8:13:16 GMT -5
OK, my Brisebois for Primeau suggestion didn't really take off, so who do we have in our system presently that most resembles Eric Chouinard?
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Post by MPLABBE on Oct 1, 2003 8:23:07 GMT -5
OK, my Brisebois for Primeau suggestion didn't really take off, so who do we have in our system presently that most resembles Eric Chouinard? Pierre Dagenais. ;D |
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Post by Rimmer on Oct 1, 2003 8:24:11 GMT -5
OK, my Brisebois for Primeau suggestion didn't really take off, so who do we have in our system presently that most resembles Eric Chouinard? Dagenais? big (doesn't use his size well), was a star in juniors, good shot... Deveaux? not as skilled but big EDIT: well, it looks as though Marc was quicker...R. |
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Post by blaise on Oct 1, 2003 10:39:49 GMT -5
Until proven otherwise in the regular season, Ribeiro may be seen as the Habs' current Chouinard. Ironically, they were picked by Houle in the first and second rounds of the same draft.
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Post by HabbaDasher on Oct 1, 2003 10:43:41 GMT -5
What about the other Primeau?
Good on faceoffs, kills penalties, big.
Fourth line depth?
I wonder if he'll be protected for the waiver draft...
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Oct 1, 2003 10:51:18 GMT -5
Until proven otherwise in the regular season, Ribeiro may be seen as the Habs' current Chouinard. Ironically, they were picked by Houle in the first and second rounds of the same draft. Ribeiro is too small for Booby Clarke, but just the right size for us. |
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Post by PTH on Oct 1, 2003 12:14:02 GMT -5
OK, my Brisebois for Primeau suggestion didn't really take off, so who do we have in our system presently that most resembles Eric Chouinard? A highly talented scoring forward with size but who doesn't want to use it; a center in junior but now a winger in the pro game who can't seem to put it all together despite undeniable talent and natural assets. Sounds like Marcel Hossa to me. (I almost made a case for Bulis, just to pique Viper, but that would have been a reach !!) |
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Oct 1, 2003 12:45:25 GMT -5
A highly talented scoring forward with size but who doesn't want to use it; a center in junior but now a winger in the pro game who can't seem to put it all together despite undeniable talent and natural assets. Sounds like Marcel Hossa to me. (I almost made a case for Bulis, just to pique Viper, but that would have been a reach !!) Aha, but how good a Hossa trader is Gainey ? |
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Post by blaise on Oct 1, 2003 17:13:38 GMT -5
The Habs have a Hossa and a Ryder. Giddyap! Ugh! I'm getting to be as bad as mr bozo.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2003 19:55:27 GMT -5
I'd be more interested in Wayne Primeau.
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Oct 1, 2003 20:34:22 GMT -5
The Habs have a Hossa and a Ryder. Giddyap! Ugh! I'm getting to be as bad as mr bozo. But this Hossa and Ryder no longer have a Beauchemin to Traverse. |
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Post by blaise on Oct 1, 2003 20:56:10 GMT -5
Can they Ward off evil and reach their destination in Juneau (Alaska)?
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Oct 1, 2003 21:06:33 GMT -5
Who Quintal for sure? Right now it's purely Theoretical. It would be a long journey and they might find themselves in Dwyer straits along the way if they haven't packed sufficient Bouillon. Bound to make a Riveting story if undertaken and completed, though.
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Post by Habsfunk on Oct 1, 2003 21:11:29 GMT -5
The rumour I heard was Perrault, Garon and Ward for Primeau, Esche and Fedoruk.
In order of value I'd rank it Garon, Primeau, Esche, Ward, Perrault, Fedoruk.
Esche is a solid goalie but would be a downgrade from Garon in the backup role. Primeau would be a big upgrade over Perrault this year, although he is more expensive. And then you have Ward vs Fedoruk. Ward has much more potential and is more versatile. Fedoruk however is tough as nails, will fight anyone and likes to hit alot. He has almost no skills but he's what they call an "energy player".
This trade is much more feasible for both sides. If you think Theodore is the man than losing Garon for Esche isn't so bad, especially considering the rest of the trade. Primeau would give the Habs size down the middle and Fedoruk is a true enforcer who also woudn't be a liability.
From Philly's perspective I could see them wanting Garon because they don't have much in the way of goaltending coming up. That said, I don't know why they'd give up Primeau for Perrault. They're both overpaid and they're both UFAs after this year. Philly's trying to win a cup and Primeau will help them do that way before Perrault would.
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Post by MPLABBE on Oct 1, 2003 21:13:32 GMT -5
Do you have source habsfunk?
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Post by seventeen on Oct 1, 2003 22:05:15 GMT -5
Who Quintal for sure? Right now it's purely Theoretical. It would be a long journey and they might find themselves in Dwyer straits along the way if they haven't packed sufficient Bouillon. Bound to make a Riveting story if undertaken and completed, though. Markov my words, you guys will regret this exchange. I dare you to try Komisarek in a meaningful phrase. |
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Post by Habsfunk on Oct 1, 2003 22:20:17 GMT -5
Do you have source habsfunk? I think the source was CKAC as well. I read it at HF.com so its just as baseless and unlikely as the original rumour. I just brought it up for fun. |
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Oct 1, 2003 22:22:11 GMT -5
It's a medley Smedley (man these prescription Tylenols are goooood!)
Der Komisarek's in town, oh oh
You're in his eye
And you'll know why
The more you live
The faster you will die...
...Qué Souray, Souray,
Whatever will be, will be;
The future's not ours to see.
Qué Souray, Souray,
What will be, will be.
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Post by PTH on Oct 1, 2003 23:17:33 GMT -5
Markov my words, you guys will regret this exchange. I dare you to try Komisarek in a meaningful phrase. Once again you fail to take account of people's imaginations, someone's sure to find a way to fit his name in there. It'll be your funeral old boy. So, let me be the first to offer my Komisarek-tions on that one. |
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Post by GoMtl on Oct 1, 2003 23:59:03 GMT -5
I'd happily take on Primeau rather than Perreault - assuming we have the dollars to do it. I'd be fine with throwing in a spare part that might fill a Flyer need at the same time, but wouldn't really look at dealing any kind of youth, unless it's someone both AS and BG have given up on anyways. Primeau would add size and grit, and with a 2-way checking/grind line built around Keith, having Ribeiro centering a second offense-type line would be a reasonable proposition. But I doubt it could happen. But it would be fun. Maybe Primeau would even like it up here and want to stick around in a support role for a couple of years. I completely agree. Primeau would be a strong pick up for Perreault and change, if we could afford it. The guy may not have the offense that he used to, but he's a dominant physical force (as was shown against the Leafs during last post season, eventhough he still couldn't score). His type of size and punishment are exactly what this team is lacking, if we threw him on a line with Bulis/Kilger and Ward I really think we'd have a much stronger chance of making the playoffs. A Primeau aquisition also puts a lot less pressure on Ribeiro, because he won't be facing quite as tough opposition during the season, and we all know playing against strong opposition is one of his biggest weaknesses. So if we can afford it, I say definitely go for it, even if he's not the player he used to be, Primeau will make our defensive game and physical game as a team that much better, not to mention making our offensive game stronger because of the Ribeiro factor. |
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Post by GoMtl on Oct 2, 2003 0:09:01 GMT -5
The rumour I heard was Perrault, Garon and Ward for Primeau, Esche and Fedoruk. Ew... I really don't agree with that Fedoruk for Ward swap at all... There's no way I'd be trading Ward this year, his market value is probably way too low compared to the aspirations I have for him (2nd line winger with size and scoring ability). As for Perreault and Garon for Primeau and Esche... Well I think because of both Primeau and Perreault's pending UFA status after this season Philly would have to chip in a bit more than Robert Esche to get their hands on a guy as talented as Garon. Primeau, Esche and Fedoruk for Garon, Perreault and Dwyer then I might start negotiating further, but I'd still be very hesistant to pull the trigger. We're not trying for the cup this year, so a Primeau rental for a year just isn't worth Garon... |
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Post by blaise on Oct 2, 2003 0:54:23 GMT -5
Saku, quoi vous?
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