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Post by christrpn on Mar 3, 2014 8:04:09 GMT -5
I believe he is inquiring with teams as to their players availability and cost, but I don't believe he is pushing hard to acquire anyone. I don't mind him not buying because that would cost us future assets. I also believe there are more teams calling about players on the team that might be available. Markov, Briere, Bourque, Gionta. If he makes a move, and I do mean IF, it will probably be a contender looking for some veteran help down the stretch. As for bourque, someone to wash jockstraps.
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Post by christrpn on Mar 3, 2014 8:08:29 GMT -5
Also read this on Twitter this morning:
Creasy @the_Creasy 9h
#BREAKING: #Habs have just TURNED DOWN an offer from #Blackhawks that involved Markov. No counter offer was made for now.
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Post by GNick99 on Mar 3, 2014 8:28:05 GMT -5
Also read this on Twitter this morning: Creasy @the_Creasy 9h #BREAKING: #Habs have just TURNED DOWN an offer from #Blackhawks that involved Markov. No counter offer was made for now. Everything I hear and see don't sound like they are moving Markov
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 3, 2014 8:33:02 GMT -5
Also read this on Twitter this morning: Creasy @the_Creasy 9h #BREAKING: #Habs have just TURNED DOWN an offer from #Blackhawks that involved Markov. No counter offer was made for now. Everything I hear and see don't sound like they are moving Markov With Markov's limited NMC maybe he quashed the move. Would love to get details on what was offerred though. On TSN690 this morning they started a rumour to see what would happen. The rumour was Patches to the Bruins for the 1st round pick of the B's for the next 3 years. It's a ridiculous rumour but lets see if Garrioch or Ecklund(e2) report it.
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Post by blny on Mar 3, 2014 8:38:19 GMT -5
Creasy's pretty accurate, so if he said the Habs turned it down I'd say it hadn't gotten to the point where Markov would've been consulted.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Mar 3, 2014 9:39:47 GMT -5
I would see if there are any takers for Gionta. I think he'd be worth a 2nd round pick. Assuming Bournival will be healthy, I think he'd do just as well if not better than Gionta.
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Post by BadCompany on Mar 3, 2014 9:42:20 GMT -5
For grins and giggles, my fearless predictions on what will happen.
Going:
* Lars Eller, to Dallas for Antoine Roussel. Eller's confidence is completely shot here. He's a man with no role, and no idea what to do. First line center with two offensive guys? Third line center? Winger? Checker? Who knows?? We want to get Galchenyuk moved to the middle, and Lars is the best candidate to move. Dallas could use some depth down the middle. Roussel is a tweener, borderline 2nd line/3rd line guy and while he doesn't have the upside that Eller does he's more effective now. A cross between Prust and Bournival.
* Louis Leblanc, to Calgary for Shane O'Brien, with Calgary picking up some of his salary. Leblanc is done here, especially if my hypothetical deal for Roussel goes through. The emergence of Bournival and the acquisition of Weise pretty much sealed the deal for Leblanc anyways, and oh don't look now but Gabriel Dumont is heating up again in the AHL. O'Brien is not a particularly good defensemen, but if there is one thing Bergevin learned from last year is that you can never have a enough defensemen heading into the playoffs. The last third of the season and the playoffs are battles of attrition. There will be injuries, and having warm bodies around never hurts. O'Brien is signed for next year, and replaced Bouillon.
* A third round pick, to Carolina for Radek Dvorak. Depth.
Staying:
* Andrei Markov. It's just too easy to keep him, to flashy and risky to trade him. It will be dicey, and there will be much panic and hand-wringing in Montreal, but I predict Markov will re-sign here, on June 30th, for three years, $18.75 million.
* PK Subban. He ain't going anywhere either, for obvious reasons. Eight years, $7.75 million. He wanted Doughty money two years ago, and probably still wants it now. Bergevin will point to the Olympics and say the Subban isn't as good as Doughty, Subban will point to Quebec's high taxes. It gets done.
* Brian Gionta. Teams that sit third in the conference heading into the playoffs don't trade their captains. Pointe finale. (Remember when I said that about Danius Zubrus?)
On the Bubble:
* Max Pacioretty. I still think all those rumours from earlier in the year were true. But trades in the new NHL don't get made mid-season, they get made at the deadline. So those talks were all just "laying the groundwork." IF Bergevin wants to make a mega deal it will involve Pacioretty.
* Alexie Yemelin. His play has dropped off considerably since his knee injury, and while it may be easy to blame the injury for his lack of hitting, it doesn't explain his lack of hockey sense. He's getting spun around faster than a top these days, and the regime may proactively decide that he can be replaced by Tinordi and that his value has picked.
* Nathan Beaulieu and our 1st round pick. It's not supposed to be a good draft this year, so if ever there was a time to deviate from the build through the draft plan now might be it.
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Post by GNick99 on Mar 3, 2014 9:55:05 GMT -5
For grins and giggles, my fearless predictions on what will happen. Going:* Lars Eller, to Dallas for Antoine Roussel. Eller's confidence is completely shot here. He's a man with no role, and no idea what to do. First line center with two offensive guys? Third line center? Winger? Checker? Who knows?? We want to get Galchenyuk moved to the middle, and Lars is the best candidate to move. Dallas could use some depth down the middle. Roussel is a tweener, borderline 2nd line/3rd line guy and while he doesn't have the upside that Eller does he's more effective now. A cross between Prust and Bournival. * Louis Leblanc, to Calgary for Shane O'Brien, with Calgary picking up some of his salary. Leblanc is done here, especially if my hypothetical deal for Roussel goes through. The emergence of Bournival and the acquisition of Weise pretty much sealed the deal for Leblanc anyways, and oh don't look now but Gabriel Dumont is heating up again in the AHL. O'Brien is not a particularly good defensemen, but if there is one thing Bergevin learned from last year is that you can never have a enough defensemen heading into the playoffs. The last third of the season and the playoffs are battles of attrition. There will be injuries, and having warm bodies around never hurts. O'Brien is signed for next year, and replaced Bouillon. * A third round pick, to Carolina for Radek Dvorak. Depth. Staying: * Andrei Markov. It's just too easy to keep him, to flashy and risky to trade him. It will be dicey, and there will be much panic and hand-wringing in Montreal, but I predict Markov will re-sign here, on June 30th, for three years, $18.75 million. * PK Subban. He ain't going anywhere either, for obvious reasons. Eight years, $7.75 million. He wanted Doughty money two years ago, and probably still wants it now. Bergevin will point to the Olympics and say the Subban isn't as good as Doughty, Subban will point to Quebec's high taxes. It gets done. * Brian Gionta. Teams that sit third in the conference heading into the playoffs don't trade their captains. Pointe finale. (Remember when I said that about Danius Zubrus?) On the Bubble:* Max Pacioretty. I still think all those rumours from earlier in the year were true. But trades in the new NHL don't get made mid-season, they get made at the deadline. So those talks were all just "laying the groundwork." IF Bergevin wants to make a mega deal it will involve Pacioretty. * Alexie Yemelin. His play has dropped off considerably since his knee injury, and while it may be easy to blame the injury for his lack of hitting, it doesn't explain his lack of hockey sense. He's getting spun around faster than a top these days, and the regime may proactively decide that he can be replaced by Tinordi and that his value has picked. * Nathan Beaulieu and our 1st round pick. It's not supposed to be a good draft this year, so if ever there was a time to deviate from the build through the draft plan now might be it. Those trades do nothing for me. If we move Eller hope it involves d-man to allow us to move Markov for ton of future. O'Brien sounds like another Murray by his stats, not sure we need another. Pacioretty is signed undervalue long term and is 5th in league for goals scored. Willtake a star return to move him.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Mar 3, 2014 9:56:08 GMT -5
* Brian Gionta. Teams that sit third in the conference heading into the playoffs don't trade their captains. Pointe finale. Not unless management wants to shake up the country club. I like Gionta but I think dealing him is actually a kick in the pants that this team needs. I would move Gorges too while we're at it and hand the "C" to Subban. It's time.
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Post by CentreHice on Mar 3, 2014 10:05:34 GMT -5
I hope that Eller is still in the Habs' plans...and that Bergevin is aware that DD's value is at a high point right now....not perhaps in terms of the return...but in actually being able to move him for the first time since the re-signing.
I'd be tossing his name out there again....and finally developing Eller in his natural position.
Galchenyuk, Pleks, Eller. I'd like to see what those 3 centres could do with proper coaching (which is another topic for another thread.)
I'm sorry, Desharnais fans, but I can see him disappearing when the going gets rough...i.e. playoffs.
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Post by christrpn on Mar 3, 2014 10:08:07 GMT -5
* Brian Gionta. Teams that sit third in the conference heading into the playoffs don't trade their captains. Pointe finale. Not unless management wants to shake up the country club. I like Gionta but I think dealing him is actually a kick in the pants that this team needs. I would move Gorges too while we're at it and hand the "C" to Subban. It's time. That all depends on how well liked Subban is in the room. That an something we will never know, unless he becomes captain. I think the next captain of the Habs will be Pleks, if not Gorges. Gorges coming out to talk to media after Gallagher was manhandled in the offensive end speaks alot. we will see. we will see.
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Post by blny on Mar 3, 2014 10:19:18 GMT -5
Pacioretty is the best bargain in the league. Near the top in goals and goals per game. Signed through 2019 for $4.5 million a season. We don't have another big body that can score. He's not perfect, but he's the best winger we have and there's no one in the system like him.
Eller is at a cross roads, and it's not his fault imo. Boils down to complete misuse and a glut of centers. The club is going to have to make a choice at some point. Lars plays his best hockey in the middle of the ice, and has shown he can produce when given ice with skilled players. I'd still prefer to try and move DD. Desharnais's play has improved to the point where you could say he's over the funk he was in last year and the start of this. He's a capable 50-60pt guy. The cap hit isn't that bad for that level of production (especially with the cap going up).
Pacioretty-Galchenyuk-Gallagher Eller with two new wingers (make a splurge, throw money at Vanek) Prust-Plekanec-new guy on a checking line
Leblanc is dead to me. He's Fredo. Gabriel Dumont, Andrighetto in his first pro season, DLR, Collberg; all these guys are ahead of him imo. Get what you can for him. O'Brien is an okay replacement for Murray after this year. He's big, tough, and a bit of a loose cannon.
Dvorak does nothing for me. Old, no playoff pedigree to really speak of, no offense anymore. I'd rather spend the pick on a warrior. Heck, I'd take Ryan Smyth instead.
Gionta may not go anywhere, but I don't bring him back.
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Post by Gogie on Mar 3, 2014 10:42:16 GMT -5
I'm not sure why anyone would advocate trading Patches. This guy is a bonafide sniper, a player with size and speed and something we (Habs' fans) seem to always be looking for. He's tied for the league lead in goals for left wingers and second in game winning goals. You just don't find guys like this everyday and you certainly don't get them cheaply if you're looking to acquire them. Here's an article from this morning's G&M about Pacioretty that I though was interesting: Habs need red-hot Pacioretty to keep having fun
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Post by franko on Mar 3, 2014 10:57:24 GMT -5
I'm sorry, Desharnais fans, but I can see him disappearing when the going gets rough...i.e. playoffs. the playoffs. the playoffs? we're talking playoffs? OK!! smoke and mirrors but we're hanging in there in spite of the coaching [or maybe in spite of the response to the coaching, I just don't know]. but if we're going to talk playoffs with 20 games to go (a distinct possibility unless there is a crash -- another distinct possibility) I bring up the name . . . Brière. as much as I disagreed with the signing at the time, he is supposed to be a playoff marvel, so we'll see how that turns out.
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Post by blny on Mar 3, 2014 11:06:18 GMT -5
We're not as bad as the Jim Mora Colts are we? lol
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 3, 2014 11:12:15 GMT -5
I hope that Eller is still in the Habs' plans...and that Bergevin is aware that DD's value is at a high point right now....not perhaps in terms of the return...but in actually being able to move him for the first time since the re-signing. I'd be tossing his name out there again....and finally developing Eller in his natural position. Galchenyuk, Pleks, Eller. I'd like to see what those 3 centres could do with proper coaching (which is another topic for another thread.) I'm sorry, Desharnais fans, but I can see him disappearing when the going gets rough...i.e. playoffs. Yes, yes and yes. I've always wanted to see what patches and Galchy could do if given 10 games together. Eller could be the 3rd line centre for now with Pleky as the 2nd and then in a year or 2 they switch places.
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Post by Skilly on Mar 3, 2014 11:18:09 GMT -5
* Brian Gionta. Teams that sit third in the conference heading into the playoffs don't trade their captains. Pointe finale. (Remember when I said that about Danius Zubrus?) I believe that last time the Habs traded their captain at the deadline was 1999 - Vincent Damphousse We werent third in the conference though
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Post by Boston_Habs on Mar 3, 2014 11:25:50 GMT -5
I hope that Eller is still in the Habs' plans...and that Bergevin is aware that DD's value is at a high point right now....not perhaps in terms of the return...but in actually being able to move him for the first time since the re-signing. I'd be tossing his name out there again....and finally developing Eller in his natural position. Galchenyuk, Pleks, Eller. I'd like to see what those 3 centres could do with proper coaching (which is another topic for another thread.) I'm sorry, Desharnais fans, but I can see him disappearing when the going gets rough...i.e. playoffs. Yes, please. Pacioretty may be a bit upset at losing his 'blankie' in DD, but if there is ANY chance to get out from under that contract MB should do it now before it's too late. Eller may not have the offensive upside of a #2 centre, but he is an ideal #3. He just needs to be developed properly and with players that bring out the best in him. A frustrating player to be sure, but I don't want to give up on him.
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Post by Skilly on Mar 3, 2014 11:28:28 GMT -5
Hypothetically, if Berg decides to go all in and buy, which I don't think he will, who should he target? Is this a set-up to hypothetically shoot down other's ideas of what the team needs? LOL .. Also read this on Twitter this morning: Creasy @the_Creasy 9h #BREAKING: #Habs have just TURNED DOWN an offer from #Blackhawks that involved Markov. No counter offer was made for now. If this is true, then Chicago will have to dump salary off their roster. They have the least CAP room of any team in the league. The Blackhawks have about $840,000 in cap space available. Markov is going to cost them $1.2 million in cap space. I'd want Brandon Saad and/or Nick Leddy included in the deal.
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Post by seventeen on Mar 3, 2014 11:50:08 GMT -5
We're not as bad as the Jim Mora Colts are we? lol I've always thought someone should mix Jim Mora's 'Playoffs' with Allen Iverson's "Practice!" and see what you could get.
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Post by blny on Mar 3, 2014 11:56:21 GMT -5
We're not as bad as the Jim Mora Colts are we? lol I've always thought someone should mix Jim Mora's 'Playoffs' with Allen Iverson's "Practice!" and see what you could get. Ha!
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Post by blny on Mar 3, 2014 11:59:51 GMT -5
Hypothetically, if Berg decides to go all in and buy, which I don't think he will, who should he target? Is this a set-up to hypothetically shoot down other's ideas of what the team needs? LOL .. No. There's been lots of debate between buy or sell. If we're to buy, I'm asking people who they think we should target (and perhaps what you're willing to spend to get). While I lean to the sell side, one big winger that can score and perhaps depth on D would set us up pretty well. We've got a glut of centers. Be nice to add some hands to the wings.
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Post by seventeen on Mar 3, 2014 12:16:34 GMT -5
It's a tough decision for Berg and probably depends on what contenders are offering to match the Blues' leap in 'odds of winning the SC'.If you get a screaming deal for Markov, Gorges or Patches. then maybe you're a seller, but if you can pick up a guy like Drew Stafford and (yes, I know) Shane O'Brien (I've always liked him for some reason...perhaps its because he's like Doug Murray but can actually skate, albeit with some personal demons), then maybe that's enough to get us over the smurf hump and make some noise in the playoffs.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Mar 3, 2014 12:25:14 GMT -5
You can be buyers and sellers at the same time.
And people seem to think that Buffalo received a haul in the Miller/Ott deal. When you net out the free agents, Buffalo ends up with 1 year of Chris Stewart, what will probably be a late 1st round pick in 2015, and a conditional 2nd round pick. I'm not saying it was a bad deal, Buffalo is a lousy team and doing what it has to do and accumulate future assets. And they could still turn around and trade Chris Stewart and/or Halak to get even more picks. But that trade is heavily weighted to future return (like 3-4 years) and is not a trade a playoff team like Montreal should make.
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Post by BadCompany on Jun 16, 2014 14:22:25 GMT -5
Whoops, wrong thread...
Quote error.
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Post by seventeen on Jun 16, 2014 15:35:54 GMT -5
I reviewed your fearless predictions before the trade deadline, posted above. No direct pipeline into Berg's office, huh?
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Post by jerry_dog on Jun 16, 2014 19:53:20 GMT -5
Putting this here rather than a new thread ... for now "Boston Bruins general manager Peter Chiarelli announced on Monday that forward Shawn Thornton will not be returning to the team next season." Thornton is 36 and quite effective. Does MB take a go at him for ~ $750K - $850K for 2 (or 1) year? I would be in favour. Thoughts?
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Post by seventeen on Jun 16, 2014 20:04:12 GMT -5
I think he'd be really hard to integrate onto the team. Besides the fact we have better talent on our 4th line. If Boston is going away from the goonism (which they have professed to do), then there's less need for us to arm up and in any case, Thornton is not an ubergoon. A middleweight fighter with low talent. Probably not.
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Post by sergejean on Jun 16, 2014 20:24:35 GMT -5
Thornton is in his last miles playing in the NHL. It's not like we're a team who gets intimidated anyway. I'm all for getting the team bigger but not at the expense of talent and Thornton lacks in that department.
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Post by stoat on Jun 16, 2014 21:35:44 GMT -5
I believe he is inquiring with teams as to their players availability and cost, but I don't believe he is pushing hard to acquire anyone. I don't mind him not buying because that would cost us future assets. I also believe there are more teams calling about players on the team that might be available. Markov, Briere, Bourque, Gionta. If he makes a move, and I do mean IF, it will probably be a contender looking for some veteran help down the stretch. As for bourque, someone to wash jockstraps. He can't get anything for Markov or Gionta because they're about to become UFAs. No one would trade for Briere. I'd keep Bourque. He was fifth in goal scoring in the entire playoffs and the Habs are short on scoring.
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