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Post by Skilly on Jul 11, 2015 10:04:50 GMT -5
Grumbles ... This is how I find out that Matt Pfiffer beat me out of the analytics job!!?? I know you have my phone number Bergevin!! I want all my data back! Lol
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Post by seventeen on Jul 11, 2015 10:18:36 GMT -5
I thought, last year, from some of the comments I read from the Habs brass, that they already had some analytics expertise available. Obviously I was wrong, and that explains more than a few moves from last year. I sure hope this helps them make more informed decisions.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jul 11, 2015 12:56:12 GMT -5
So Sharp goes to Dallas for basically Trevor Daley. Gilbert is better than Daley with a smaller contract. Were we not offering Gilbert? In any case have now missed out on Sharp. My solution? Sign Semin to a 1 year contract. He drives MT nuts, Therrien quits and we get 2 birds with 1 stone ...Nill has been in Dallas since 2013 and landed Seguin, Spezza and Sharp... Bergevin has been in Montreal since 2012 and has been looking for a top 6 player ever since...
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jul 11, 2015 14:15:51 GMT -5
Grumbles ... This is how I find out that Matt Pfiffer beat me out of the analytics job!!?? I know you have my phone number Bergevin!! I want all my data back! Lol That and with you being close to the farm team, I figured you were a shoe in!!
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jul 11, 2015 14:18:49 GMT -5
I thought, last year, from some of the comments I read from the Habs brass, that they already had some analytics expertise available. Obviously I was wrong, and that explains more than a few moves from last year. I sure hope this helps them make more informed decisions. I do too. If you are going to keep most of the same personnel, at least optimize their use. Old dog, meet a new trick. Interested to see how you react!!
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Post by blny on Jul 11, 2015 14:48:24 GMT -5
So Sharp goes to Dallas for basically Trevor Daley. Gilbert is better than Daley with a smaller contract. Were we not offering Gilbert? In any case have now missed out on Sharp. My solution? Sign Semin to a 1 year contract. He drives MT nuts, Therrien quits and we get 2 birds with 1 stone ...Nill has been in Dallas since 2013 and landed Seguin, Spezza and Sharp... Bergevin has been in Montreal since 2012 and has been looking for a top 6 player ever since... And the Stars missed the playoffs this year. Dallas is a top heavy team. They're going to score even more goals this coming season, but Seguin and Benn do very little to keep it out of their own net - which is the Stars biggest problem. Stars were second to Tampa with 257 goals for. They were 4th worst in goals against with the same 257.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jul 11, 2015 15:10:39 GMT -5
So Sharp goes to Dallas for basically Trevor Daley. Gilbert is better than Daley with a smaller contract. Were we not offering Gilbert? In any case have now missed out on Sharp. My solution? Sign Semin to a 1 year contract. He drives MT nuts, Therrien quits and we get 2 birds with 1 stone ...Nill has been in Dallas since 2013 and landed Seguin, Spezza and Sharp... Bergevin has been in Montreal since 2012 and has been looking for a top 6 player ever since... I mentioned it earlier, but I can see Patrick Sharp being a finisher for guys like Tyler Seguin, Jamie Benn and Jason Spezza ... 33 years old be damned, he'll have the talent on his line to make a difference ... we don't have that amount of talent in Montreal, so I really didn't think a guy like Sharp would have helped us ... mind you if we could have got him for the peanut return Chicago got him for ... you make a good point, too, Doc ... looks as if Marc Bergevin really does want to build the club through the draft ... a few impact UFAs wouldn't hurt, though ... Cheers.
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Post by seventeen on Jul 11, 2015 16:22:25 GMT -5
...Nill has been in Dallas since 2013 and landed Seguin, Spezza and Sharp... Bergevin has been in Montreal since 2012 and has been looking for a top 6 player ever since... And the Stars missed the playoffs this year. Dallas is a top heavy team. They're going to score even more goals this coming season, but Seguin and Benn do very little to keep it out of their own net - which is the Stars biggest problem. Stars were second to Tampa with 257 goals for. They were 4th worst in goals against with the same 257. Two different routes to the Cup. One focusing on scoring, the other on....goaltending? I hesitate to say defense because we were bottom 3rd in the league in most defensive categories that didn't involve goaltending. I wonder what the point totals for the two clubs would have been if goalies had been reversed? I'm in the defense camp, but I think you have to have strength at centre as well. Stars back end needs some depth, which explains Nill wanting Stephen Johns included. He seems to be a similar kind of dman to Pateryn.
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Post by habsorbed on Jul 13, 2015 1:34:34 GMT -5
I'm thinking Chris Stewart at $1.7 would have been a great replacement for Prust and maybe even an upgrade. Perhaps not a top 6 but a great bottom 6.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jul 13, 2015 7:30:33 GMT -5
AK re-signs in the KHL for two years. That rumour goes away.
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Post by Polarice on Jul 13, 2015 8:41:46 GMT -5
As far as free agents is there really anyone out there that would improve our team? I think we will fill our roster from within and I am good with that!!
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jul 14, 2015 10:04:31 GMT -5
Johnston's contract brings the team to 44 contracts. One will slide when Juulsen is sent to Everett in the fall, and three will be added once deals are done with Galchenyuk, Tinordi and Bournival (the remaining unsigned RFAs). That will move the team to 46 contracts and we know the Berg likes to keep a few around to sign possible guys at the deadline. As an example, he added Petry, Flynn and Mitchell at the deadline last year all for just picks, so he needed three contract spots to do so.
If you assume he will only go as high as 47 contracts to start the season, barring any player moves, that leaves him one possible contract to play with between now and the fall. Will he bargain shop on free agency with what might be left or does he use it up on one of the kids who may have impressed at Development Camp and who will get a second look in rookie camp/tourney?
Now, a trade could change the whole dynamics and we know that the Berg has often said he likes hockey trades. Those are so hard to predict as the ones he pulls off are rarely the ones that get circulated in the media or on the blog/rumour sites.
Barring a trade at some point, this team looks close to set.
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Post by blny on Jul 14, 2015 15:43:30 GMT -5
Both Kostitsyns have signed with Novgorod. 2 years each.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jul 14, 2015 15:51:16 GMT -5
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Post by Polarice on Jul 14, 2015 16:45:41 GMT -5
Not a great article.....all it really says is that he's not and elite #1 or #2 centre.....duh!! Using the argument that he is only making 3.5 million so we shouldn't be expecting him to be. Which is all good, and I believe most of us fans don't hate DD, we hate him playing as the #1 centre.
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Post by seventeen on Jul 14, 2015 18:13:39 GMT -5
Both Kostitsyns have signed with Novgorod. 2 years each. I thought they signed with Torpedo? Is that the same team? Damn the Torpedos, full steam ahead.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jul 14, 2015 18:29:20 GMT -5
Both Kostitsyns have signed with Novgorod. 2 years each. I thought they signed with Torpedo? Is that the same team? Damn the Torpedos, full steam ahead. Hope the nightlife is fun for them in the land of Torpedos. Maybe the owner has to sell a few surplus cold war torpedos to make payroll.
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Post by blny on Jul 14, 2015 18:32:43 GMT -5
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Post by Skilly on Jul 14, 2015 18:51:51 GMT -5
Not a great article.....all it really says is that he's not and elite #1 or #2 centre.....duh!! Using the argument that he is only making 3.5 million so we should be expecting him to be. Which is all good, and I believe most of us fans don't hate DD, we hate him playing as the #1 centre. What I get out of that article is that the author feels the only reason Desharnais is the #1 center is because Pacioretty likes him.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jul 15, 2015 7:40:58 GMT -5
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Post by Boston_Habs on Jul 15, 2015 9:00:42 GMT -5
I wish we could develop DD into another Mark Recchi, who was one of the best playmaking wingers of recent times. DD has good savvy, good vision, good passing skills and I think he could be productive on the wing. I don't mind having him on the team, but he's a liability on defense and moving him would open up better options at centre.
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Post by habsorbed on Jul 15, 2015 9:44:53 GMT -5
I wish we could develop DD into another Mark Recchi, who was one of the best playmaking wingers of recent times. DD has good savvy, good vision, good passing skills and I think he could be productive on the wing. I don't mind having him on the team, but he's a liability on defense and moving him would open up better options at centre. Recchi was built like a brick shiit house and was known as the Recching Ball. Not going to happen with DD. Also, DD is a really nice guy.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jul 15, 2015 11:43:04 GMT -5
I felt this article stated the obvious which is often overlooked, be it that DD is not a #1 center, he's not paid like one, doesn't have the minutes of one, delivers good offensive numbers for the price while remaining a + player, that linesmate appreciate...
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jul 15, 2015 11:55:26 GMT -5
Recchi was built like a brick shiit house and was known as the Recching Ball. And then there is Recchi's advanced medical knowledge.
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Post by frozone on Jul 15, 2015 12:18:43 GMT -5
I felt this article stated the obvious which is often overlooked, be it that DD is not a #1 center, he's not paid like one, doesn't have the minutes of one, delivers good offensive numbers for the price while remaining a + player, that linesmate appreciate... All of which are true, but what annoys many of us is that he would be even more of an asset producing those same numbers from the wing and from lower on the depth chart. I think it really hurts his offensive numbers when other teams are keying on his line as the main offensive line needing to be shut down. DD is certainly an asset, but he's an asset whose value is arguably not being maximized. We are crowded at center, have a top 9 hole on the wing, and we're all looking for some miracle trade to balance the team out and get us more production on the wing. Well the answer could be as simple as swapping DD and Chuckie. Not to mention, they each had impressive showings during the 10 game or so experimental swap. I liked the fact that DD shot more on the wing. It made him more of a weapon and I truly think that DD could be the Diet version of Martin St Louis. And if he can play RW, then he can still play with Max if that's what they really want.
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Post by seventeen on Jul 15, 2015 14:12:36 GMT -5
The solution seems so simple, non? It is coincidental that DD seemed to produce more right around that time (If I really am remembering correctly) and Galchy did have 9 points in 12 or 13 games. Seems like that experiment was ended as soon as DD started scoring again. Seemed to make sense to me to keep him there if he's scoring there. Duh?
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Post by Lord Bebop on Jul 15, 2015 15:48:20 GMT -5
I felt this article stated the obvious which is often overlooked, be it that DD is not a #1 center, he's not paid like one, doesn't have the minutes of one, delivers good offensive numbers for the price while remaining a + player, that linesmate appreciate... All of which are true, but what annoys many of us is that he would be even more of an asset producing those same numbers from the wing and from lower on the depth chart. I think it really hurts his offensive numbers when other teams are keying on his line as the main offensive line needing to be shut down. DD is certainly an asset, but he's an asset whose value is arguably not being maximized. We are crowded at center, have a top 9 hole on the wing, and we're all looking for some miracle trade to balance the team out and get us more production on the wing. Well the answer could be as simple as swapping DD and Chuckie. Not to mention, they each had impressive showings during the 10 game or so experimental swap. I liked the fact that DD shot more on the wing. It made him more of a weapon and I truly think that DD could be the Diet version of Martin St Louis. And if he can play RW, then he can still play with Max if that's what they really want. Good point.... Even have him play with Eller.... I think there is more to Ellers game and he could use someone with talent instead of playing with Prust and DSP...plus DD can switch back to center in case injury.
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Post by habsorbed on Jul 16, 2015 0:14:07 GMT -5
If DD is such an offensive wizard but slowed because he plays against shut down lines, why does he struggle on the PP?
DD does not have the speed or shot of St.L., nor the competitive edge. I'd prefer him at his salary than Ribiero at his. But neither is winning a Cup on the number one line.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jul 16, 2015 8:23:31 GMT -5
I felt this article stated the obvious which is often overlooked, be it that DD is not a #1 center, he's not paid like one, doesn't have the minutes of one, delivers good offensive numbers for the price while remaining a + player, that linesmate appreciate... All of which are true, but what annoys many of us is that he would be even more of an asset producing those same numbers from the wing and from lower on the depth chart. I think it really hurts his offensive numbers when other teams are keying on his line as the main offensive line needing to be shut down. DD is certainly an asset, but he's an asset whose value is arguably not being maximized. We are crowded at center, have a top 9 hole on the wing, and we're all looking for some miracle trade to balance the team out and get us more production on the wing. Well the answer could be as simple as swapping DD and Chuckie. Not to mention, they each had impressive showings during the 10 game or so experimental swap. I liked the fact that DD shot more on the wing. It made him more of a weapon and I truly think that DD could be the Diet version of Martin St Louis. And if he can play RW, then he can still play with Max if that's what they really want. I agree with most everything in this post but not with the idea of putting on the right wing with max. He will pass to Max all the time IMO. I like him and chucky swapped. But we would need some size on the right wing 2nd line if DD and Pleky are together.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jul 16, 2015 9:22:43 GMT -5
DD as a third line winger is just fine. Takes away those tough defensive responsibilities, gets him shooting more, and keeps him away from the temptation to just find Max and attempt to pass to him. This also enables a top three centre group of Chucky, Pleks and Eller in whatever order or combination MT feels fit (he will juggle anyway). For home games, MT can even make sure there are more favourable line matchups for this line too.
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