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Post by Tankdriver on Apr 29, 2013 11:47:29 GMT -5
Well, we now know we will have five picks in the top 71 picks. Our NSH second rounder will be 34, our CAL second rounder will be 36 and our DAL third rounder will be 71 once they dish out a compensatory pick. With all seven rounds being done on the same day this year, TT will be very busy between picks 27 and 36 with three picks. Our picks will be late in each round, depending on what happens in the playoffs as that will impact final seeding. As it stands now, we will be around the 27th pick each round. The Canada US gold medal game yesterday at the U-18s sure was a nice showcase of some of the talent in this draft. Pretty gutsy performance by the Canadians to stop the US streak at four championships in this tourney. Is it just the first round that is mixed up from final rankings and then goes according to least best in the following rounds? Ex: Edmonton wins the lotto and picks 1st in the first round, then in the second, third, fourth, etc. rounds picks 6th or is it 1st in round round, first in round 2, etc. |
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Post by Skilly on Apr 29, 2013 13:24:38 GMT -5
Well, we now know we will have five picks in the top 71 picks. Our NSH second rounder will be 34, our CAL second rounder will be 36 and our DAL third rounder will be 71 once they dish out a compensatory pick. With all seven rounds being done on the same day this year, TT will be very busy between picks 27 and 36 with three picks. Our picks will be late in each round, depending on what happens in the playoffs as that will impact final seeding. As it stands now, we will be around the 27th pick each round. The Canada US gold medal game yesterday at the U-18s sure was a nice showcase of some of the talent in this draft. Pretty gutsy performance by the Canadians to stop the US streak at four championships in this tourney. Is it just the first round that is mixed up from final rankings and then goes according to least best in the following rounds? Ex: Edmonton wins the lotto and picks 1st in the first round, then in the second, third, fourth, etc. rounds picks 6th or is it 1st in round round, first in round 2, etc. I think it is just the first round thats affected .... Edmonton won the lottery last year and selected second in rounds 2 and 3 .. Two years ago New Jersey moved up to 4th, from 8th. But in subsequent rounds selected 8th. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Apr 29, 2013 13:56:08 GMT -5
Is it just the first round that is mixed up from final rankings and then goes according to least best in the following rounds? Ex: Edmonton wins the lotto and picks 1st in the first round, then in the second, third, fourth, etc. rounds picks 6th or is it 1st in round round, first in round 2, etc. I think it is just the first round thats affected .... Edmonton won the lottery last year and selected second in rounds 2 and 3 .. Two years ago New Jersey moved up to 4th, from 8th. But in subsequent rounds selected 8th. Correct. Tonight's lottery results will only affect round one. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Apr 29, 2013 19:44:04 GMT -5
Looks like the Avs get the 1st pick, then the panthers then the Bolts... the Avs and panthers swap places.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on May 3, 2013 11:49:40 GMT -5
I get a bit of a pre-draft treat next week as the WHL finals will feature a rematch of last year with the Portland Winterhawks taking on the Edmonton Oil Kings (I am a big fan as some of you may have figured out). The series will feature some prominent draft eligible kids including consensus #1 Seth Jones, Nic Petan (late first/second round), and Oliver Bjorkstrand (second round) on Portland, and Curtis Lazar (first round) and Tristan Jarry (#3 ranked NA goalie who never sees action!) on the Oil Kings. I will be at the games on Tuesday and Wednesday.
Sportsnet One also has a great junior matchup tonight with Halifax taking on Baie-Comeau. You can watch the dynamic duo of MacKinnon and Drouin (#2 and #3??) on the Moosehead going head to head against Valentin Zykov (first round), Gabryel Paquin-Boudreau (52nd NA skater in CSB final rankings) and Jeremy Gregoire (79th NA skater) on Baie-Comeau. Of course we will all be watching the Habs instead as this is on at the same time!!
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Post by blny on May 3, 2013 12:47:12 GMT -5
I'll be at the Mooseheads game Saturday night. Should be rockin. Big story line is that Baie Comeau is the team that drafted Nathan MacKinnon. He wasn't comfortable going there, and was traded to Halifax. They play the Moose pretty close usually, despite the 27 pt difference in the standings. I'm not expecting Halifax to sweep this one.
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Post by Skilly on May 7, 2013 13:02:46 GMT -5
With the 22nd selection in the first round, le Club de Hockey Canadien, proudly select ....
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on May 7, 2013 14:24:00 GMT -5
I get a bit of a pre-draft treat next week as the WHL finals will feature a rematch of last year with the Portland Winterhawks taking on the Edmonton Oil Kings (I am a big fan as some of you may have figured out). The series will feature some prominent draft eligible kids including consensus #1 Seth Jones, Nic Petan (late first/second round), and Oliver Bjorkstrand (second round) on Portland, and Curtis Lazar (first round) and Tristan Jarry (#3 ranked NA goalie who never sees action!) on the Oil Kings. I will be at the games on Tuesday and Wednesday. Sportsnet One also has a great junior matchup tonight with Halifax taking on Baie-Comeau. You can watch the dynamic duo of MacKinnon and Drouin (#2 and #3??) on the Moosehead going head to head against Valentin Zykov (first round), Gabryel Paquin-Boudreau (52nd NA skater in CSB final rankings) and Jeremy Gregoire (79th NA skater) on Baie-Comeau. Of course we will all be watching the Habs instead as this is on at the same time!! No way would I pick Jones over Mackinnon or Drouin. Seth is currently bigger and more NHL ready but the raw talent and production of the dynamic duo trumps him. It took a few years for Tavares to blossom, but the final product is worth the wait. |
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Post by Tankdriver on May 7, 2013 14:39:10 GMT -5
It is like re-living the Tavares or Hedman debate and while Hedman isn't a bad defenceman, he just hasn't lived up to expectations. Go with the MacKinnon as he is this years Tavares, over Jones (Hedman), Drouin (Duchesne).
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Post by GNick99 on May 8, 2013 22:55:22 GMT -5
Jones looks to be the deal. I think he is better than Pietrangelo or Drew Doughty in their draft year. MacKinnon be my pick over Drouin. With equal skill I'd take a center over winger.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on May 9, 2013 7:36:44 GMT -5
Jones looks to be the deal. I think he is better than Pietrangelo or Drew Doughty in their draft year. MacKinnon be my pick over Drouin. With equal skill I'd take a center over winger. Watched Jones live the last two nights, and I sure think he brings a heck of a package to the table. For the long haul, I think I would go MacKinnon over Drouin as well. One other Portland player that I was impressed with was Oliver Bjorkstrand. Skilled player who can play the game at pace. Another very good second rounder this year, and this draft has a bunch of guys like this. I can see the possibility of Nic Petan dropping to the early second too. He is just so slight and really is not the straw that stirs the drink on his line, despite his great numbers this year. They are a dynamic line though and can change a game in a shift with their explosive offensive abilities. |
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Post by GNick99 on May 9, 2013 18:21:55 GMT -5
Jones looks to be the deal. I think he is better than Pietrangelo or Drew Doughty in their draft year. MacKinnon be my pick over Drouin. With equal skill I'd take a center over winger. Watched Jones live the last two nights, and I sure think he brings a heck of a package to the table. For the long haul, I think I would go MacKinnon over Drouin as well. One other Portland player that I was impressed with was Oliver Bjorkstrand. Skilled player who can play the game at pace. Another very good second rounder this year, and this draft has a bunch of guys like this. I can see the possibility of Nic Petan dropping to the early second too. He is just so slight and really is not the straw that stirs the drink on his line, despite his great numbers this year. They are a dynamic line though and can change a game in a shift with their explosive offensive abilities. Sounds like Oliver Bjorkstrand bit soft? 10 PIM all season? |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on May 15, 2013 14:07:20 GMT -5
Watched Jones live the last two nights, and I sure think he brings a heck of a package to the table. For the long haul, I think I would go MacKinnon over Drouin as well. One other Portland player that I was impressed with was Oliver Bjorkstrand. Skilled player who can play the game at pace. Another very good second rounder this year, and this draft has a bunch of guys like this. I can see the possibility of Nic Petan dropping to the early second too. He is just so slight and really is not the straw that stirs the drink on his line, despite his great numbers this year. They are a dynamic line though and can change a game in a shift with their explosive offensive abilities. Sounds like Oliver Bjorkstrand bit soft? 10 PIM all season? I only watched him play live three games this year, so it is a very tiny sample. He doesn't engage physically, but that is not his game. He is a puck possession and shooting winger. He didn't shy away from the dirty places, but he clearly is much better suited for a run and gun style of game. I still like his game. |
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Post by blny on May 18, 2013 20:55:54 GMT -5
In the first Mac vs Jones head to head battle at the Mem Cup, round one goes to MacKinnon. Hat trick in the second. Showed his hands, his legs, and his ability to score from anywhere.
Goal for Jones. He's made some good plays to separate player from puck. He has zero mean streak. If I'm drafting, that's a concern. When you're 6'4 and 220, you need to have some of that, or learn it. Hawks have goal scorers, including Rattie who is dynamic, but their offense really seems to stem from the D. Lots of aggressive play from their back end.
Hawks goalie is a chirper. End of 2, after giving up five in the period, he's going to the Moose bench and yapping. Surprised he wasn't pulled after 2 as he has given up some softies.
Moose were down 3-1 early in the second, after the Hawks used their fore check to create turn overs and chances. Big battle back.
It's 7-4 Moose with 4 minutes to go. If Halifax pulls it out, they have to be happy. They haven't played particularly well, but get out with a big win.
Key to beating Halifax will be to establish the fore check and maintain it.
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Post by seventeen on May 20, 2013 21:57:14 GMT -5
Good game between Portland and London today. Not end to end, but good positional plays and tough, grinding hockey with some skill thrown in at moments. Can't understand the Saskatoon natives though. The place is empty and there's great hockey going on. They didn't even have that many people out to see their Blades.
6-3 Portland, so that's setting the stage for two teams to have two wins and two teams to have 2 losses. It was good to see the Blades win a game yesterday. If they were badly mismatched, it would not have done the tournament any good. Dietz and Thrower both played well, with Dietz being the better. Thrower was ok. Not great and not bad.
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Post by seventeen on May 20, 2013 21:58:50 GMT -5
In the first Mac vs Jones head to head battle at the Mem Cup, round one goes to MacKinnon. Hat trick in the second. Showed his hands, his legs, and his ability to score from anywhere. Goal for Jones. He's made some good plays to separate player from puck. He has zero mean streak. If I'm drafting, that's a concern. When you're 6'4 and 220, you need to have some of that, or learn it. Hawks have goal scorers, including Rattie who is dynamic, but their offense really seems to stem from the D. Lots of aggressive play from their back end. Hawks goalie is a chirper. End of 2, after giving up five in the period, he's going to the Moose bench and yapping. Surprised he wasn't pulled after 2 as he has given up some softies. Moose were down 3-1 early in the second, after the Hawks used their fore check to create turn overs and chances. Big battle back. It's 7-4 Moose with 4 minutes to go. If Halifax pulls it out, they have to be happy. They haven't played particularly well, but get out with a big win. Key to beating Halifax will be to establish the fore check and maintain it. If Carruth has a better game, it's not 7-4. I thought Portland had the better team, but like the Habs, those goals a goalie normally stops are killers. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on May 21, 2013 10:58:20 GMT -5
Good game between Portland and London today. Not end to end, but good positional plays and tough, grinding hockey with some skill thrown in at moments. Can't understand the Saskatoon natives though. The place is empty and there's great hockey going on. They didn't even have that many people out to see their Blades. 6-3 Portland, so that's setting the stage for two teams to have two wins and two teams to have 2 losses. It was good to see the Blades win a game yesterday. If they were badly mismatched, it would not have done the tournament any good. Dietz and Thrower both played well, with Dietz being the better. Thrower was ok. Not great and not bad. This tournament gets interesting with tonight and tomorrow's game determining which two teams end up 2-1 and which two are 1-2. It means we will have a tie breaker game on Friday night for sure between the two 1-2 teams. Tonight: London-Halifax Tomorrow: Portland-Saskatoon Seventeen, not sure why there are not bigger crowds. Saskatoon held the Brier last year and the CIS hockey championship earlier this year, so they get big events and their arena is a decent sized major junior building. I wonder if the long 51 day layoff for the Blades has diminished interest amongst the walk-up fans. |
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Post by Willie Dog on May 23, 2013 9:23:24 GMT -5
On Hockey I./O they are saying the Habs should look at Rimouski D man Sam Morin, 6'-6" 202 lb, good skater good first pass, can play physical. He's jumped up quite a bit... from 76 to 23 in Central Scouting.
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Post by blny on May 23, 2013 9:39:19 GMT -5
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Post by Willie Dog on May 23, 2013 10:45:53 GMT -5
Maybe he could be the new face of the franchise and we can move DD  |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on May 23, 2013 11:42:23 GMT -5
It is going to be a good draft for the Q, and also for players born in Quebec (since the league has a lot of kids born outside of QC). Both have been is a serious decline for a number of years, so it does bode well for the Habs to be able to emerge from the draft with some more local talent that is of high calibre. It was a good year to add another full time scout scouring the Q (Audette).
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on May 23, 2013 12:09:30 GMT -5
Maybe he could be the new face of the franchise and we can move DD DD is not big, never will be. He is a hard working player who saw his stats drop last year in a sophomoric slump. If we traded everyone who had an off year we wouldn't have kept Lafleur for the peak of his career. DD has great chemistry with Pac and Galagher. They make up our #1 line. If he drops again next year after a full 82 games we can consider replacing him. I would be happy to see the team repeat as #2 in the conference and improve in the playoffs. I am a strong believer in watching training camp and playing whoever is hot and producing. I am not against going for size, but certainly happy we didn't give up the farm for Lecavalier when he was available. If an Ovechkin becomes available it is a big improvement over DD but we saw what Ovie did in the playoffs. |
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Post by Willie Dog on May 23, 2013 12:58:47 GMT -5
Maybe he could be the new face of the franchise and we can move DD DD is not big, never will be. He is a hard working player who saw his stats drop last year in a sophomoric slump. If we traded everyone who had an off year we wouldn't have kept Lafleur for the peak of his career. DD has great chemistry with Pac and Galagher. They make up our #1 line. If he drops again next year after a full 82 games we can consider replacing him. I would be happy to see the team repeat as #2 in the conference and improve in the playoffs. I am a strong believer in watching training camp and playing whoever is hot and producing. I am not against going for size, but certainly happy we didn't give up the farm for Lecavalier when he was available. If an Ovechkin becomes available it is a big improvement over DD but we saw what Ovie did in the playoffs. I agree they had great chemistry, this season will be proof as to whether he can meet our needs or not. All I'm saying is that the team wants a high calibre francophone player and if DD is not it, a guy like Morin might be. |
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Post by GNick99 on May 25, 2013 21:11:08 GMT -5
Impressive....looks like another Tinordi |
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Post by seventeen on May 25, 2013 23:55:22 GMT -5
There's a lot to like about him from those highlights, but they don't show the mistakes, unfortunately. Still...big guy, great skater, good hockey IQ. Love this draft. Morin's defense partner, Josh Morrissey is likely to go higher than Morin. He's a really smooth player. Like I said, love this draft. Love that we have 6 picks in the top 3 rounds and love that Boston has lost their first rounder.
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Post by blny on May 26, 2013 8:59:14 GMT -5
Few videos packs show failures. I did see some instances where it could be argued he made the wrong decision, but recovered the puck. His most used form of puck retrieval is to use his size, which is good.
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Post by blny on May 28, 2013 13:27:22 GMT -5
MacKinnon has moved back to #1 in ISS rankings.
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Post by franko on May 28, 2013 19:04:43 GMT -5
MacKinnon has moved back to #1 in ISS rankings. so how much is he worth? reputedly [Renaud Lavoie retweeted by Bob McKenzie] Roy told Sakic that the Avs need to study the possibility of trading their first round pick. in the fwiw category, I think. if it's true it will be a bundle |
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Post by blny on May 28, 2013 19:44:01 GMT -5
Not sure how Lavoie would be privy to that sort of information. Still, if you're the Avs, and you want Jones, and you think he's available at #2 then it's prudent to talk to the Panthers (for example). Would Tallon be interested in trading the #2 pick in 2013, and a couple of seconds for the #1 pick? Maybe it takes another first. Who knows. The point is the Avs get the player they want, and more players to boot. Due diligence done.
Roy would have seen first hand the last 2 years what MacKinnon is like as a player. Nate was part of the Moose team that came back from 3-1 down to the Remparts last year and won the series. He saw him this year. I can't imagine a scenario where Roy would advise against pick him out of spite.
If I were Bergevin, what would I offer for MacKinnon? The moon. I'd offer Subban, Eller/DD, and my first this year for starters. Not because I want to part with Subban, but I figure that's what it would take. The Avs perceivably end up with Jones and Subban to anchor their D. We end up with Galchenyuk and MacKinnon - our own Malkin and Crosby if you will. Perhaps you sweeten the pot and try to get Johnson back in the deal. He doesn't replace Subban, but he's a big body minute eater and still young.
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Post by sergejean on May 28, 2013 22:16:13 GMT -5
I agree it would take somewhat of an overpayment to land any of the first 2-3 picks this year but there is no way I would be willing to part with a 23 y.o. Norris candidate for it. As much as I believe MacKinnon will be a star player, we're not talking Crosby caliber here.
At this point Subban is the cornerstone of the franchise with Galchenyuk and I wouldn't trade any of these two guys for the promise of maybe something better. Now on the other hand, if somehow Roy was in love with Price...
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