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Post by blny on Jun 30, 2013 17:57:12 GMT -5
Blues pick Vannelli.
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Post by blny on Jun 30, 2013 17:58:27 GMT -5
Three picks, all this year. Hawks clearing cap for Bickell. What will Bolland's role be in Toronto? They have McClement. Bolland filled in as a 2nd line center before, but Shaw demoted him to 4th in the playoffs ... I get that, but he was a pretty damn good player 2 years ago. Has he degraded that much, despite the contract? I have to admit, he wasn't that effective in the playoffs and if he hadn't scored the Cup winning goal, what would we remember about him this year? He has had injury issues, and played through a lot of bumps and bruises. He plays with an edge and it takes a toll. Clearly cap room was more important than getting bodies back. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 30, 2013 18:01:03 GMT -5
UberCranky will be slightly less Cranky (if McCarron can make the team). The Habs must be projecting ahead on this kid. It's certainly off the board at #25. It really isn't off the board as Bob Mackenzie just explained, there's not much difference in the quality of prospects betweenn pick 20-45. The fact that we got the biggest player in the draft that can skate well, and plays a VERY physical game can only be seen as a good thing for this team imo. 3rd line or whatever. Did we get Brian Bickell or Turner Stevenson? Cheers. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 30, 2013 18:02:30 GMT -5
Hard to complain when we get the best goalie in this years draft. A huge organizational need at this point too. Cheers. |
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Post by CentreHice on Jun 30, 2013 18:02:30 GMT -5
Dave Bolland traded to Leafs for picks. Leafs got even harder. He's a super pest player. Dave Bolland scored the Stanley Cup winner this year = Leafs will win the Cup next year |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 30, 2013 18:04:56 GMT -5
Dave Bolland traded to Leafs for picks. Leafs got even harder. He's a super pest player. Dave Bolland scored the Stanley Cup winner this year = Leafs will win the Cup next year He certainly got the player he wanted. The Leafs got better this afternoon. So did we, but they're getting better immediately. Cheers. |
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Post by blny on Jun 30, 2013 18:04:56 GMT -5
First pick from Bolland deal is Dahlstrom from SEL.
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Post by blny on Jun 30, 2013 18:05:57 GMT -5
Sabres, 5th pick already, take Justin Bailey. Kid from Buffalo.
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Post by Skilly on Jun 30, 2013 18:09:33 GMT -5
To clarify my opinion of De La Rose, I only saw him play in the WJC. In that Tourney, when he was on the ice, he was always noticeable. I thought he was a 19 year old, but he's a May 95 birthday, so was 17 at the time and is younger than many being drafted this year. He's a terrific skater, 6' 2", with good overall skills. The one thing that also stood out was that it looked like there was a force field in front of the opposition net. He just couldn't put up points. We do not need another guy who looks awesome stepping off the bus. We need production, so I hope he can be coached to relax that tiny bit more and maybe put up some points. With two picks in the 30s and Fucale still on the board, you knew we were going to select him ..... But it the De La Rose pick that will be looked at years from now. I hope favorably, but ...... |
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Post by blny on Jun 30, 2013 18:09:37 GMT -5
Stars pick DesRosiers. Thought he was fantastic against Halifax in playoffs. Liked him a lot.
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Post by franko on Jun 30, 2013 18:11:27 GMT -5
just got in. rather than read a million posts just tell me: is it good, bad, or indifferent?
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Post by blny on Jun 30, 2013 18:11:42 GMT -5
Habs Arturri Lekonen. Button says reminder of Elias. Dynamic skater and scorer playing in Finnish Elite league.
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Post by blny on Jun 30, 2013 18:13:14 GMT -5
just got in. rather than read a million posts just tell me: is it good, bad, or indifferent? McCarron - huge, debate over ability to play at NHL level by some De La Rose - very big, strong skater,offensive upside a question mark Fucale - highest rated goalie, still available, addresses big need Lekonen - dynamic Finn. |
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Post by Skilly on Jun 30, 2013 18:13:28 GMT -5
So now we know he names of the assets that Habs management wanted for a future run at the Cup, rather than a current run ....
McCarron, De La Rose, Fucale, Lehkonen .... I await your arrivals.
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Post by Tankdriver on Jun 30, 2013 18:14:48 GMT -5
I am kinda disappointed in the Habs picks so far. Are any of these guys going to be top 6? Would of rather packaged them for something established. Also, where's the local talent?
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Post by PTH on Jun 30, 2013 18:14:55 GMT -5
just got in. rather than read a million posts just tell me: is it good, bad, or indifferent? 25th we took a project, a 6'5 monster with a very raw game. 34th we took a Swede who seems like a solid 2-way player but not an offensive gamebreaker 36th we took the best goalie of the year 55th we took a smallish offensive Finn. No trades involving us. EDIT: Habs wanted to move up from #25 but couldn't find a partner (source: Timmins interview); and apparently were willing to trade down from 55th but also couldn't find a partner (source: conjectcutre on my part based on RDS noticing the Habs working the phones for 2 minutes when it was their time to pick) |
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Post by blny on Jun 30, 2013 18:16:27 GMT -5
So now we know he names of the assets that Habs management wanted for a future run at the Cup, rather than a current run .... McCarron, De La Rose, Fucale, Lehkonen .... I await your arrivals. Offensive question marks with the first two picks. Fucale addresses a need. When the highest rated at his position is still available for your third pick, they're hard to pass up. Lekonen seems like a dynamic player. |
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Post by Anardil1 on Jun 30, 2013 18:16:31 GMT -5
Small player, but skilled. Probably dropped because of concussion issues. At this point, huge risk/reward choice. I like.
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Post by blny on Jun 30, 2013 18:19:25 GMT -5
Hawks trade Frolik to Jets. Bolland and Frolik go from highs to lows, as it were.
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Post by blny on Jun 30, 2013 18:20:56 GMT -5
Small player, but skilled. Probably dropped because of concussion issues. At this point, huge risk/reward choice. I like. When you compare a guy to Elias, that's never bad. Perhaps the concussion was a result of adjusting to playing with men instead of kids. I like the pick too. |
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Post by franko on Jun 30, 2013 18:21:32 GMT -5
looks like meh to me . . . I think I'm with Skilly: this is our future? then again, I guess that's what drafting is all about.
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Post by Cranky on Jun 30, 2013 18:21:36 GMT -5
Talent Analysis
Jacob is a tall, gangly and rangy forward who likes to play it rough. He spent the entire season playing against men in Sweden’s second highest league (48 total games) and it shows. Great power forward potential and plays with a chip on his shoulder. Stickhandling and puck-possession skills are above-average. Doesn’t hesitate to pass or shoot. Initiates contact on his own accord. Fairly good speed for a player of his size, but still has a lot of room on his frame for more muscle. Can cycle well in the corners. His game includes a little bit of everything and he appears to be yet another Swede who is already defensively responsible. A leader type who doesn’t shy away from that responsibility. First line player at the U18, 3rd liner at the U20 and for Leksand in the Allsvenskan, which gained promotion this past season.
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Post by Skilly on Jun 30, 2013 18:26:14 GMT -5
I am looking forward to NWT's review on these guys ...
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Post by Skilly on Jun 30, 2013 18:29:42 GMT -5
If nothing else .... St. John's is going to soon see a good influx of youngsters. Morrissey, Petan, Comrie
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Post by Cranky on Jun 30, 2013 18:29:50 GMT -5
looks like meh to me . . . I think I'm with Skilly: this is our future? then again, I guess that's what drafting is all about. Did you really buy the "we are building the future from the draft" when picking 25th? REALLY? Did you miss my "I don't compliment shoe tying managers?"
It's a good thread to put on your rose coloured glasses....and not much more. |
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Post by seventeen on Jun 30, 2013 18:33:41 GMT -5
More on Jacob De La Rose from that same Top Shelf Scouting service. (At least they write a lot about the guys they rate)
Sweden’s hockey program has really improved in recent years. The country is producing more and more quality NHL prospects every year. For the 2013 class, Jacob de la Rose joins Elias Lindholm, Andre Burakowsky, Robert Hagg, and Alexander Wennberg to give us 5 Swedes in the top 34 ranked players at LWOS.
De la Rose spent the season playing for Leksands in the Swedish Allsvenskan, the second division of Swedish men’s hockey. As we’ve explained previously, the Allsvenskan is not like the AHL, the leagues are set up like European Football (Soccer) leagues with relegation and promotion. De la Rose played a bottom line role for Leksands as a 17 year old playing against men, but he did help Leksands earn promotion to the Elitserien for next season.
De la Rose has a ton of international experience and has been playing for Swedish national teams at the Under 16, Under 17, Under 18, and Under 20 levels over the years. He has won silver medals at the 2012 IIHF World Under 18 Championships, and at the 2013 World Junior Championships. He was also the Swedish captain at the 2013 Under 18s.
Center/Wing
Born May 20 1995 — Arvika, Sweden
Height 6.02 — Weight 183 — Shoots Left
De la Rose is a dynamic skater. He has great speed, and excellent acceleration. He is very explosive and his ability to change speeds, and that extra gear he has allows him to beat defenders to the outside and cut to the net. He’s also quick at getting in on the forecheck, and de la Rose takes advantage of this as he just loves to hit. He has good agility and edgework allowing him to navigate his way through traffic, and his great balance allows him to fight through checks.
There are a lot of tools in de la Rose’s toolbox in the offensive zone. He has great stickhandling and very soft hands. He goes to the net and can score goals in tight on rebounds and tip ins. He also has a good wrist soft, and his release is decent. He’s an absolute beast on the boards and just loves physical contact, often being the initiator. De la Rose has shown good vision and passing skills on occasion as well. There is a huge “But” here though, and its that despite showing flashes of all these tools, de la Rose has not been as productive as he could be. His Allvenskan stats are good for a 17 year old in that league, and I don’t take issue with those, but at the international level, de la Rose is just not putting up the points you’d expect given his talent, at the U18 and WJC levels.
De la Rose’s defensive game is excellent, especially for a player his age. He is an extremely responsible forward, who has great gap control and understands how to always keep himself between his man and the net. He backchecks hard, and comes down low to help his defencemen against the cycle game. De la Rose is a willing shot blocker and cuts down the passing lanes, anticipating plays well and creating turnovers. He continues to play his rough and tumble game in the defensive end and again loves to take the body. His defensive game is elite given the stage he is at in his development.
De la Rose’s style is reminiscent of David Backes of the St. Louis Blues, perhaps even with better skating. However this is a style comparison and not an assessment of potential. De la Rose could become a top 6 forward if he can develop his offensive tools and show consistent production. However, he is a player who is a very safe player as with his size, physicality, defensive prowess, and skating ability, he’s a very good bet to be a valuable third/fourth line NHLer even if the offence does not come around.
There's a youtube video showing highlights of DLR at the WJC, but I have no idea how to place it in this post.
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Post by Anardil1 on Jun 30, 2013 18:35:40 GMT -5
With Chicago trading Bolland and Frolik, can we now presume that Bickell will re-sign, with the added cap space?
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Post by seventeen on Jun 30, 2013 18:36:28 GMT -5
I would say a strong 'yes' to that. Bickell won't be available. But Skilly, Clowe still might be!
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Post by blny on Jun 30, 2013 18:37:21 GMT -5
That's the thing with De La Rose. It's really hard to pick a part a player's offensive upside when you get pigeon-holed into a 4th line role because of your age. TSN spoke about the massive influx of Swedes to North America. They're playing CHL hockey AND NCAA hockey because they can't get good ice time to develop at home. My hope is that the club convinces him to come over the North America.
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Post by Cranky on Jun 30, 2013 18:38:36 GMT -5
It really isn't off the board as Bob Mackenzie just explained, there's not much difference in the quality of prospects betweenn pick 20-45. The fact that we got the biggest player in the draft that can skate well, and plays a VERY physical game can only be seen as a good thing for this team imo. 3rd line or whatever. Did we get Brian Bickell or Turner Stevenson? Cheers. The story is that he likes to hit and tough to play against. Which means somethign adn nothing. He was a monster amongst boys, but his size differential will not mean as much as there are a 150 players in his weight range in the NHL. So now the question will be, is he mean enough and tough enough to get stronger and meaner in the NHL level? Don't get me wrong, I love big players who skate and play a mean game, but like we saw in Komi-traior, it doesn't mean they will be willing to do so day in and day out, or at all. It takes a certain internal disposition (crazy!) to raise toughness to the next level. We'll see....... |
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