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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 13, 2014 20:57:25 GMT -5
Honestly, if they were to let go Simon Despres in this deal I'd be very surprised. They've already got Olli Maatta in the lineup, but I suspect Despres might be in the lineup more regularly in the future.
Wouldn't bother me at all if it turns out like the Craig Rivet trade did a few years back. A defensive prospect and a first. That would be good.
Cheers.
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Post by GNick99 on Feb 13, 2014 22:00:34 GMT -5
Honestly, if they were to let go Simon Despres in this deal I'd be very surprised. They've already got Olli Maatta in the lineup, but I suspect Despres might be in the lineup more regularly in the future. Wouldn't bother me at all if it turns out like the Craig Rivet trade did a few years back. A defensive prospect and a first. That would be good. Cheers. I'd pass...we have to break-in 3 youngsters on blueline likely next year. Don't want too much youth. Experience is a factor also. I'm quite sure he won't trade Markov for that package, in a weak draft year. If he goes be for goal scorer, preferably one with size. From west club |
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Post by blny on Feb 14, 2014 7:28:15 GMT -5
I'd love to parlay Markov into a big scoring forward instead, but acquiring prospects the likes of Despres or Pouliot would be an upgrade on some of what we have in the system. Maata is very good now, playing regularly for the Pens, so I don't see them parting with him (but a fella can dream lol).
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 14, 2014 9:39:21 GMT -5
Honestly, if they were to let go Simon Despres in this deal I'd be very surprised. They've already got Olli Maatta in the lineup, but I suspect Despres might be in the lineup more regularly in the future. Wouldn't bother me at all if it turns out like the Craig Rivet trade did a few years back. A defensive prospect and a first. That would be good. Cheers. I'd pass...we have to break-in 3 youngsters on blueline likely next year. Don't want too much youth. Experience is a factor also. I'm quite sure he won't trade Markov for that package, in a weak draft year. If he goes be for goal scorer, preferably one with size. From west club Well, that's the ideal scenario, sure. Take a look at the western clubs and see which ones are contenders, then look at who might have the cap space. Markov will be looking for a deal with term and money next year. That could factor into the negotiations; a prospect plus a conditional pick (contingent on whether he signs or not). It could also determine what kind of prospect(s) we get as well. Bergevin is in a very good position right now. I'd be happy with a Rivet-kinda deal, but at the same time I remember what the Rangers gave up for Ryan Clowe last year. The Sharks received a 2nd and 3rd round draft picks in 2034 plus a conditional 2nd in 2014. Knowing what Markov can bring to a contender you'd think he'd command the same, but we just don't know. I'd like to see how Bergevin does on this one. This one trade, made or not, just might define his tenure as GM. Cheers. |
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Post by blny on Feb 14, 2014 10:12:31 GMT -5
Look at what the Leafs got for Kaberle in 2011. Colborne was highly touted, they got a first, and a conditional second. Markov is a better all around player than Kaberle, even with the lost step. He is older than Kaberle was at the time of that trade though, and age is a factor.
Douglas Murray netted a second rounder last year (as good as the second half of the first this year) and a conditional second. Markov should fetch a high first/blue chip prospect, and another good pick imo.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Feb 14, 2014 11:02:57 GMT -5
2 things though:
Markov can name 16 teams he doesn't want to go to. Pretty easy for him and his agent to come up with the 16 likely teams that could have an interest in him, and give this list to Berg as places he doesn't want to go. Therefor nixing any potential trades. And how about Andrei simply not coming back from Sotchi? Ask his friend/agent Berezin to find him a good KHL spot while he's over there...
...sign me because anyway I'll nix any deals you may want and you'll lose me for nothing.
...sign me or I'm not coming back and you'll lose me for nothing.
IF Markov has it in his head that it's either Montreal or KHL this year... than Bergevin is 99% screwed
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Post by Skilly on Feb 14, 2014 11:24:00 GMT -5
2 things though: Markov can name 16 teams he doesn't want to go to. Pretty easy for him and his agent to come up with the 16 likely teams that could have an interest in him, and give this list to Berg as places he doesn't want to go. Therefor nixing any potential trades. And how about Andrei simply not coming back from Sotchi? Ask his friend/agent Berezin to find him a good KHL spot while he's over there... ...sign me because anyway I'll nix any deals you may want and you'll lose me for nothing. ...sign me or I'm not coming back and you'll lose me for nothing.
IF Markov has it in his head that it's either Montreal or KHL this year... than Bergevin is 99% screwed Wouldn't he have had to submit his 16 no-trade teams prior to the start of the season or prior to signing the contract? |
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Post by BadCompany on Feb 14, 2014 12:00:07 GMT -5
I'd love to parlay Markov into a big scoring forward instead, but acquiring prospects the likes of Despres or Pouliot would be an upgrade on some of what we have in the system. Maata is very good now, playing regularly for the Pens, so I don't see them parting with him (but a fella can dream lol). Pittsburgh I think would have to dump some salary to get Markov into the fold, if I am reading capgeek right. And like others have said I can't see Bergevin trading Markov to a team we might face in the playoffs. I still think Anaheim is the most logical fit: * While I don't think Markov is quite the introvert that some people make him out to be (you'd think the guy was a shut-in the way he's described sometimes!) I would have to think that going to Anaheim where Saku Koivu could welcome him would make things easier. And who doesn't want to go to Anaheim, if only for a few more months? * Anaheim has a surprisingly below average powerplay. * Anaheim has two firsts, and two second round picks this summer. Though they seem to have dumped most of their later ones. So we might have to ship a fifth or something back. * They have cap room. * While they have some very young talent, lead by Getzlaf and Perry, they do have some older guys nearing the end, like Selanne, Koivu, Beauchemin, Allen... They're first in the West at the moment, so it might be a good all-in time. * They have a plethora of young defensemen to send back, as I think Bergevin would prefer to get an NHL body back, so as to not totally give up on the playoffs this year. They have Fowler, Sbisa, Vataen and Lindholm all of whom who are 24 or under, all of whom who could step into our lineup. My money would be on Sbisa being the guy they would be willing to part with. * They have a plethora of young forwards, former first round picks, sitting in their system waiting for a chance. Kyle Palmieri (2009), Emerson Etem (2010), Stefan Noesen (2011), Rickard Rakell (2011), as well as some well-thought of second rounders, like Devante Smith Pelly and Nicolas Kerdiles. I think we could have a blockbuster here. Something like Markov, Gionta and a 3rd for Sbisa, Rakell and a 1st. Or something. |
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Post by blny on Feb 14, 2014 12:27:18 GMT -5
BC, I agree that Anaheim makes a lot of sense. I also agree that trading him to a conference rival would require a significant return, perhaps even over payment.
Andrei is a quiet guy outside the room, but he's got a sly sense of humour.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 14, 2014 12:50:17 GMT -5
Because this isn't a strong draft year, unless the first pick coming our way is in the top 10 at least, I'd prefer to pick up a prospect who has already been drafted and has developed for a couple of years. Sbisa fits that mold. I think Bergevin would indeed have trouble trading Markov to Pittsburgh, but if the return is Despres and Pouliot, pretty hard to say no. Markov isn't going to last forever. I don't care if we only get back defensemen. Young dmen are always in demand and you can trade them for a forward.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Feb 14, 2014 12:52:19 GMT -5
2 things though: Markov can name 16 teams he doesn't want to go to. Pretty easy for him and his agent to come up with the 16 likely teams that could have an interest in him, and give this list to Berg as places he doesn't want to go. Therefor nixing any potential trades. And how about Andrei simply not coming back from Sotchi? Ask his friend/agent Berezin to find him a good KHL spot while he's over there... ...sign me because anyway I'll nix any deals you may want and you'll lose me for nothing. ...sign me or I'm not coming back and you'll lose me for nothing.
IF Markov has it in his head that it's either Montreal or KHL this year... than Bergevin is 99% screwed Wouldn't he have had to submit his 16 no-trade teams prior to the start of the season or prior to signing the contract? Could be. I thought that these lists were given only when a player is asked to lift his clause. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Feb 14, 2014 12:56:07 GMT -5
BC, I agree that Anaheim makes a lot of sense. I also agree that trading him to a conference rival would require a significant return, perhaps even over payment. Andrei is a quiet guy outside the room, but he's got a sly sense of humour. ...do we really see the #1 cup contending team in the East as a "rival" ? If we do than we don't trade Markov at all because we feel we have a shot at the cup... |
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Post by blny on Feb 14, 2014 13:03:15 GMT -5
BC, I agree that Anaheim makes a lot of sense. I also agree that trading him to a conference rival would require a significant return, perhaps even over payment. Andrei is a quiet guy outside the room, but he's got a sly sense of humour. ...do we really see the #1 cup contending team in the East as a "rival" ? If we do than we don't trade Markov at all because we feel we have a shot at the cup... Beat them in 2010, and I don't think the current club is all that scared of them. |
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Post by seventeen on Feb 14, 2014 14:25:46 GMT -5
Hey, I'd make a trade with my most hated rival, if I was sure I was getting the better of them. I think too much is made of not trading within conferences and divisions. Markov is 35 years old, with a couple of serious knee surgeries behind him. He looks healthy, but we know he's lost half a step and how much longer before he loses half another step. Yeah, no doubt it hurts us this year, but we have to give our developing youngsters the opportunity to shine. If Shero is offering two good youngsters, especially Pouliot (who is a Markov clone), I wouldn't waste a second.
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Post by blny on Feb 14, 2014 14:32:39 GMT -5
Hey, I'd make a trade with my most hated rival, if I was sure I was getting the better of them. I think too much is made of not trading within conferences and divisions. Markov is 35 years old, with a couple of serious knee surgeries behind him. He looks healthy, but we know he's lost half a step and how much longer before he loses half another step. Yeah, no doubt it hurts us this year, but we have to give our developing youngsters the opportunity to shine. If Shero is offering two good youngsters, especially Pouliot (who is a Markov clone), I wouldn't waste a second. Pouliot and Despres would be pretty outstanding return. The latter is 6'4 and has some offense to his game. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Feb 14, 2014 15:25:03 GMT -5
...do we really see the #1 cup contending team in the East as a "rival" ? If we do than we don't trade Markov at all because we feel we have a shot at the cup... Beat them in 2010, and I don't think the current club is all that scared of them. Sure. …I just don’t get the « rival » angle… If Bergevin wants the best team he can right now to go all the way this season and beat Pitts along the way, than you don’t trade Markov at all, you keep him, he's a big chunk of your present defense… If you trade Andrei at this point it’s because you’re trading present for future… in which case I don’t see why the destination East/West is relevant, you only want to best return. |
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Post by blny on Feb 14, 2014 23:14:36 GMT -5
More traffic about habs interest in Parenteau. It's Eklund, so grain of salt (though he does actually have some connections). He's claiming that some sources claim that it's PAP for a dman, others saying Briere and a pick.
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Post by Skilly on Feb 15, 2014 15:28:46 GMT -5
Wouldn't he have had to submit his 16 no-trade teams prior to the start of the season or prior to signing the contract? Could be. I thought that these lists were given only when a player is asked to lift his clause. I only ask because Ryan Miller submitted his list of teams in the summer, so I thought that was standard protocol. |
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Post by blny on Feb 15, 2014 16:08:34 GMT -5
Could be. I thought that these lists were given only when a player is asked to lift his clause. I only ask because Ryan Miller submitted his list of teams in the summer, so I thought that was standard protocol. A good question. I assumed that the list had to be provided before the start of each season the clause existed. It would be hard to do it another way. How does a player submit a list during the season without making it look like they're asking to be traded? Is there a provision that would allow a player to submit a list at the 41 game point in a season? That would at least allow their team to pursue options with the specified clubs for a month or two leading up to the deadline. Still, that isn't much time for dialogue. |
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Post by seventeen on Feb 15, 2014 19:30:55 GMT -5
This from Eklund yesterday. One has to take him with a shaker of salt, since he's wrong 99% of the time.
Talking to a few sources this morning while enjoying all this amazing Olympic hockey and there is a BIG rumor circulating that a we could see a Parenteau to Montreal deal announced the minute the trade freeze is lifted. Some are saying that the Avs are getting a D-man in return, while others are saying it could be Danny Briere and a draft pick.
Briere's playoff performances of the past are making him an interesting get at this deadline. It reminds me of what we used to see with Claude Lemieux near the deadline...
stay tuned.
From looking at the Avalanche roster, it's senseless to pick up Briere as a centre. Colorade has Stastny, Duchene and O'Reilly. They don't need centres. If Briere replaces a right wing, it's the one they'd be giving up, Parenteau, so that makes no sense either. If there's any validity to that rumour, I'm afraid its the possibility of the deal including a dman. The Avalanche couldn't possibly be interested in any of the fringe guys on the big club, so that invariably means a prospect. If it's Pateryn, ok, I can live with it. Not Beaulieu and not Tinordi. Berg couldn't be that silly, could he? Of course, it could just be Eklund being that silly.
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Post by GNick99 on Feb 15, 2014 19:33:00 GMT -5
I'd pass...we have to break-in 3 youngsters on blueline likely next year. Don't want too much youth. Experience is a factor also. I'm quite sure he won't trade Markov for that package, in a weak draft year. If he goes be for goal scorer, preferably one with size. From west club Well, that's the ideal scenario, sure. Take a look at the western clubs and see which ones are contenders, then look at who might have the cap space. Markov will be looking for a deal with term and money next year. That could factor into the negotiations; a prospect plus a conditional pick (contingent on whether he signs or not). It could also determine what kind of prospect(s) we get as well. Bergevin is in a very good position right now. I'd be happy with a Rivet-kinda deal, but at the same time I remember what the Rangers gave up for Ryan Clowe last year. The Sharks received a 2nd and 3rd round draft picks in 2034 plus a conditional 2nd in 2014. Knowing what Markov can bring to a contender you'd think he'd command the same, but we just don't know. I'd like to see how Bergevin does on this one. This one trade, made or not, just might define his tenure as GM. Cheers. I think this will be Markov's last year in Montreal. But doubt Bergs trades him unless something major comes back to help him now. Won't be for another young d-man prospect, unless he plans on flipping him or its part of 3 team trade. Habs be throwing away season and tons of playoff money if he deals Markov for future. Bergs generally isn't a major mover and shaker like that, usually he is looking to tweak his lineup. If he makes a deadline move I would predict be for offense up front. Likely somebody who won't take a ton to acquire. Another Ryder type move |
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Post by GNick99 on Feb 17, 2014 19:05:08 GMT -5
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Post by seventeen on Feb 17, 2014 21:50:30 GMT -5
Yeah, for sure. Hemsky's another guy who doesn't like the dirty areas. Great skill and a scorer, but I'm not sure how valuable he'd be as a playoff performer. UFA at end of season, too. So he's a rental.
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Post by GNick99 on Feb 18, 2014 8:37:14 GMT -5
Yeah, for sure. Hemsky's another guy who doesn't like the dirty areas. Great skill and a scorer, but I'm not sure how valuable he'd be as a playoff performer. UFA at end of season, too. So he's a rental. I have mixed opinion on Hemsky/Bourque. Not type of player we need but had feeling type of trade Bergs would try to make. Due to low cost to acquire. For short term trades like this been know to re-rejuvenate Hemsky kind of players. Playing all those years on bad team and no-chance for playoffs. I imagine it may got to him after awhile. A few years ago he was decent player, at 30 skill may still be there. On Bourque it is matter of salary dump. At season's end Hemsky be gone, as will Gionta and next season be replaced by a younger Andrigetto type. The 8 million in extra cap space could be used this summer to bring a big name here, or more options during the season next year. |
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Post by blny on Feb 24, 2014 23:36:26 GMT -5
Marty St Louis appears to have asked for a trade. Looks like when he wasn't an original selection for the Olympic roster he told Yzerman to trade him. There's a lot of smoke about a swap with the Rangers for Callahan.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 25, 2014 1:16:41 GMT -5
Wow, no wonder Yzerman's had enough of the Olympic team organizing. His job is complicated enough, without hurt feelings making it worse.
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Post by franko on Feb 25, 2014 6:54:16 GMT -5
placate, placate, placate . . . the GM's new main function.
maybe Marty feels better about it all now.
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Post by Skilly on Feb 25, 2014 7:38:24 GMT -5
placate, placate, placate . . . the GM's new main function. maybe Marty feels better about it all now. I dunno ... sure Marty played, but you get the sense that he only played because Tavares was hurt. |
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Post by franko on Feb 25, 2014 8:11:31 GMT -5
placate, placate, placate . . . the GM's new main function. maybe Marty feels better about it all now. I dunno ... sure Marty played, but you get the sense that he only played because Tavares was hurt. no doubt. and how much did he actually play/how important was he to the team? but he doesn't seem to have the ego others have. can't blame StevieY for going out with 2 golds and letting the pressure go. |
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Post by blny on Feb 26, 2014 17:02:20 GMT -5
According to McKenzie, looks like the Canucks may be shopping Kesler and Edler. The latter has a NTC, but for the right price I think he's the right swap for Markov. Beaulieu, a forward prospect, and a high pick.
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