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Post by Lord Bebop on May 31, 2014 9:16:15 GMT -5
Well just under a month now... We find out what Timmins and co. Are up to all season?  ? |
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Post by Lord Bebop on May 31, 2014 9:22:14 GMT -5
I've read the Habs are going to targeting size again this year.......at 27 overall would a Power forward like Alex Tuch be available(not likely) or maybe defenseman Jake Dougherty(good chance).....maybe a Hunter Smith( 6'5" power forward) could jump up in the draft. should be a fun!!
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 31, 2014 9:43:33 GMT -5
Right on, JJ ... keep the ball rolling right into training camp ... here are the prospect rankings for the 2014 Entry Draft ... saw Sam Bennett play a few times here in Kingston ... definitely a cut above the rest ... are we drafting 27th/28th? ... can Berg trade up for one of Alex Tuch (6'4" 213 lbs) ... Brandon "Pepe" Lemieux (son of Claude) is ranked 28th overall ... Cheers. |
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Post by seventeen on May 31, 2014 10:06:42 GMT -5
There will be several draft rankings, of course, but I can start things off with this list from "Last Word on Sports". I'm not sure who puts the list together, but it gives a write-up on prospects, so far, up to #55. At the bottom of the page, left hand side is a small link to go to the next page. Hard to see. lastwordonsports.com/category/hockey-2/topshelfprospects/ |
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Post by Lord Bebop on May 31, 2014 11:53:59 GMT -5
Thx seventeen.... Never really paid much attention to that site.... I will be keeping an eye on that one? ? |
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Post by seventeen on May 31, 2014 13:29:27 GMT -5
Red Line should have something out before too long too.
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Post by christrpn on May 31, 2014 13:30:52 GMT -5
Size is ok, but if we learned anything from MacCarron is that you need some sort of skill as well. I would take someone a couple inches smaller and a couple pounds lighter if it means he puts the puck in the net.
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Post by Lord Bebop on Jun 1, 2014 9:14:44 GMT -5
Size is ok, but if we learned anything from MacCarron is that you need some sort of skill as well. I would take someone a couple inches smaller and a couple pounds lighter if it means he puts the puck in the net. Yeah not a great year for Mccarron....but let's learn from tinordi , let's not write the big American 19 year old playing his first year in the OHL off just yet....... It was a big jump for him just like tinordi.....next year will be very telling. I think we did well last year finding that skill/ size balance......McCarron, De La Rose, Crisp..... Plus they were not blindly drafting size as lehkonen Reway and Andrighetto were also drafted too... Timmins has a very good record |
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Post by blny on Jun 1, 2014 10:27:17 GMT -5
Way too early to give up on McCarron.
Really haven't followed this draft class too much. Reading to do!
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Post by christrpn on Jun 1, 2014 11:25:08 GMT -5
Not giving up on him, but experts said when Habs drafted him that he would excel at a good third line/very good fourth line player. Boyle type guy from NYR. At the end of his season he even admitted that scoring probably wouldn't be his forte. While I believe the importance of these types of players, hardly what I want from my first round pick. I believe MB will make a splash at the draft. He will move up.
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Post by seventeen on Jun 1, 2014 12:10:07 GMT -5
I'm not underestimating how weak this draft is. None of the top 3 in 2014 would have gone in the top 4 in 2013, and then it drops off after that. Draisaital, how is projected #4 or 5, may not have gone in the top 20 last year (IMO). It's not worth moving up in this draft unless its' top 3 or 4 and we're not going there. It's a stockpicker's year, so probably doesn't matter where you're drafting, unless its' top 3.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 1, 2014 22:51:16 GMT -5
17, it is a draft where some good scouting and likely a whole lot of luck are going to come into play. After the top 3, there is a big second tier and then a really huge third tier in which we will be picking. My draft research is on and mock draft and Habs "suggested" picks is underway...I do like the draft and reading up on all the kids, especially the ones I have not had the chance to see live or on TV/web.
Go Oil Kings Go!!
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Post by Lord Bebop on Jun 2, 2014 20:18:30 GMT -5
17, it is a draft where some good scouting and likely a whole lot of luck are going to come into play. After the top 3, there is a big second tier and then a really huge third tier in which we will be picking. My draft research is on and mock draft and Habs "suggested" picks is underway...I do like the draft and reading up on all the kids, especially the ones I have not had the chance to see live or on TV/web. Go Oil Kings Go!! Yeah has a feel of a draft that kids are going to fall and a good bargain pick could be had |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 2, 2014 22:54:03 GMT -5
There will be several draft rankings, of course, but I can start things off with this list from "Last Word on Sports". I'm not sure who puts the list together, but it gives a write-up on prospects, so far, up to #55. At the bottom of the page, left hand side is a small link to go to the next page. Hard to see. lastwordonsports.com/category/hockey-2/topshelfprospects/Great site 17 ... Sam Bennett drops to third on this list ... will be an excellent reference once all of the teams have been placed ... Cheers. |
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Post by blny on Jun 8, 2014 11:37:11 GMT -5
Bleacher has us selecting Brendan Lemieux. 6'1 209 at 18. Pedigree. Plays the game like his dad did.
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Post by Anardil1 on Jun 8, 2014 20:27:36 GMT -5
If they pick Lemieux, I will feel a little less disappointed compared to when they picked McCarron last year. From reading his scouting reports, he appears to be a more skilled Max Lapierre, with a tendency to take bad penalties. I know that it is unlikely, but I'm hoping that Adrian Kempe or Nikita Scherbak is the Habs choice.
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Post by seventeen on Jun 9, 2014 1:18:01 GMT -5
Bleacher has us selecting Brendan Lemieux. 6'1 209 at 18. Pedigree. Plays the game like his dad did. Naturally. He's French Canadian and has the Habs bloodlines. That's a normal tendency for mock drafters. In fact, I think Berg and Timmins will take whoever they want and is available. They'd probably take a Quebec kid if he had the better potential. |
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Post by PTH on Jun 9, 2014 7:15:26 GMT -5
Bleacher has us selecting Brendan Lemieux. 6'1 209 at 18. Pedigree. Plays the game like his dad did. Naturally. He's French Canadian and has the Habs bloodlines. That's a normal tendency for mock drafters. In fact, I think Berg and Timmins will take whoever they want and is available. They'd probably take a Quebec kid if he had the better potential. I've never quite seen the point of mock drafts. Most teams draft based on BPA, so it's entirely up to their evaluation, which is a subjective process. Mock drafters almost only go by perceived need. They don't even take the one useful piece of info they have (draft tendencies) into account most of the time. So for Timmins, we should expect a 1st rounder out of a US High School, if everything else is equal, which it never is. We've started drafting for size, but not necessarily for local products. Sweden seems to be in vogue for our team. ---- The few times I've read in more detail about a teams draft preparation, the more I've realised how it's hard to predict. Each team has a list, with perhaps 50 to 70 names on it, spread throughout the whole draft, and it happens that some years they run out of names, and that's when they deal their 7th rounders to another team for next years pick. It also means that some guys just aren't on a team's radar, which is easy enough to understand, teams can't scout, meet, interview and evaluate everyone, and other than with a late pick, won't want to chance it without having enough info. |
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Post by blny on Jun 9, 2014 11:18:51 GMT -5
His father is French Canadian. He was born in Denver.  |
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Post by GNick99 on Jun 9, 2014 11:36:42 GMT -5
Going by past drafts, my gut feeling Goldobin could be in our sights. He is a home run shot in dark type. If he is gone when we draft Jack Doughterty could be a guy Timmins will pick.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 9, 2014 19:06:33 GMT -5
Going by past drafts, my gut feeling Goldobin could be in our sights. He is a home run shot in dark type. If he is gone when we draft Jack Doughterty could be a guy Timmins will pick. The organization seemed to swing for the fences a lot; David Fischer, Andre Kostitsyn and Jason Ward all fit that category, IMHO ... imagine Claude Giroux (two picks after Fischer), Jeff Carter (next pick after AK) and Marion Hossa (next pick after Ward), instead ... I do like the players Gainey/Gauthier have provided Bergevin with ... for two years it seemed we were drafting only d-men ... it's paying off now ... I had no idea who Jack Dougherty was until you mentioned him ... it's never a bad idea to stockpile quality d-men so here's a question ... who is Jack Dougherty comparable to in the NHL ... would like to see some offensive players drafted, but I'm not sure there are enough of them available in this draft (I can't cite a reference for that, it's just that I haven't heard a whole lot of chatter about this year's crop) ... Cheers. |
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Post by PTH on Jun 9, 2014 21:35:36 GMT -5
Going by past drafts, my gut feeling Goldobin could be in our sights. He is a home run shot in dark type. If he is gone when we draft Jack Doughterty could be a guy Timmins will pick. The organization seemed to swing for the fences a lot; David Fischer, Andre Kostitsyn and Jason Ward all fit that category, IMHO ... imagine Claude Giroux (two picks after Fischer), Jeff Carter (next pick after AK) and Marion Hossa (next pick after Ward), instead ... I do like the players Gainey/Gauthier have provided Bergevin with ... for two years it seemed we were drafting only d-men ... it's paying off now ... I had no idea who Jack Dougherty was until you mentioned him ... it's never a bad idea to stockpile quality d-men so here's a question ... who is Jack Dougherty comparable to in the NHL ... would like to see some offensive players drafted, but I'm not sure there are enough of them available in this draft (I can't cite a reference for that, it's just that I haven't heard a whole lot of chatter about this year's crop) ... Cheers. Gotta disagree on the swinging for the fences thing.... Kostitsyn was high-risk, high-reward, though we didn't quite get the expected reward, but other than that, we've been a very safe drafting team. Ward was projected as a 3d liner, at worst. Marian Hossa was the high-risk pick there, since his willingness to be physically involved was huge. There were quotes in THN about scouts seeing him duck away from any kind of physical contact. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 9, 2014 22:03:16 GMT -5
The organization seemed to swing for the fences a lot; David Fischer, Andre Kostitsyn and Jason Ward all fit that category, IMHO ... imagine Claude Giroux (two picks after Fischer), Jeff Carter (next pick after AK) and Marion Hossa (next pick after Ward), instead ... I do like the players Gainey/Gauthier have provided Bergevin with ... for two years it seemed we were drafting only d-men ... it's paying off now ... I had no idea who Jack Dougherty was until you mentioned him ... it's never a bad idea to stockpile quality d-men so here's a question ... who is Jack Dougherty comparable to in the NHL ... would like to see some offensive players drafted, but I'm not sure there are enough of them available in this draft (I can't cite a reference for that, it's just that I haven't heard a whole lot of chatter about this year's crop) ... Cheers. Gotta disagree on the swinging for the fences thing.... Kostitsyn was high-risk, high-reward, though we didn't quite get the expected reward, but other than that, we've been a very safe drafting team. Ward was projected as a 3d liner, at worst. Marian Hossa was the high-risk pick there, since his willingness to be physically involved was huge. There were quotes in THN about scouts seeing him duck away from any kind of physical contact. I honestly don't remember Hossa being a risky pick ... I do remember TSN talking about Kostitsyn and the big knock on him was his health ... he was described as possibly the most talented player in the draft, but one of the highest risks (because of his seizures) ... Cheers. |
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Post by PTH on Jun 10, 2014 0:00:32 GMT -5
Gotta disagree on the swinging for the fences thing.... Kostitsyn was high-risk, high-reward, though we didn't quite get the expected reward, but other than that, we've been a very safe drafting team. Ward was projected as a 3d liner, at worst. Marian Hossa was the high-risk pick there, since his willingness to be physically involved was huge. There were quotes in THN about scouts seeing him duck away from any kind of physical contact. I honestly don't remember Hossa being a risky pick ... I do remember TSN talking about Kostitsyn and the big knock on him was his health ... he was described as possibly the most talented player in the draft, but one of the highest risks (because of his seizures) ... Cheers. I probably still have 1997 THN draft issue... And I remember the Ottawa Citizen saying that the Sens should have gone for local boy, Matt Zultek. In 2006, the high-risk guy was the spunky little forward, Claude Giroux, though I can't say I remember if Fischer was seen as high risk or not. Still, safe picks aren't always as safe as we think, guys like Ward and Matt Higgins were seen as sure-fire 3d liners, at worst. Same for Chipchura; injuries killed off any hope of a serious career for Higgins or Chipchura. If anything, IMO Habs drafting was too conservative, going for "sure fire" NHLers and not taking risks on guys with uncertain pedigrees. |
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Post by GNick99 on Jun 10, 2014 7:28:29 GMT -5
Going by past drafts, my gut feeling Goldobin could be in our sights. He is a home run shot in dark type. If he is gone when we draft Jack Doughterty could be a guy Timmins will pick. The organization seemed to swing for the fences a lot; David Fischer, Andre Kostitsyn and Jason Ward all fit that category, IMHO ... imagine Claude Giroux (two picks after Fischer), Jeff Carter (next pick after AK) and Marion Hossa (next pick after Ward), instead ... I do like the players Gainey/Gauthier have provided Bergevin with ... for two years it seemed we were drafting only d-men ... it's paying off now ... I had no idea who Jack Dougherty was until you mentioned him ... it's never a bad idea to stockpile quality d-men so here's a question ... who is Jack Dougherty comparable to in the NHL ... would like to see some offensive players drafted, but I'm not sure there are enough of them available in this draft (I can't cite a reference for that, it's just that I haven't heard a whole lot of chatter about this year's crop) ... Cheers. That's a good question....never thought who he compares to before. Off top of my head I would say a Kronwell. Maybe a poor man's Trouba. I can tell you I first noticed Dougherty about mid-season. Just a boring day last January, browsing over some stats I noticed his stats were similar to Trouba cicra 2012. Both same size, playing for same team. I kind of was looking for these type because recent USA d-men seem to have really overachieved in recent years. Guys that move the puck with a good point shot, like Trouba, McDonagh or Shattenkirk. Players who weren't highest rated d-men in their drafts but have done much better than their draft day expectations. Trouba (2012) USDT 22 - 4 -14 - 18 - 35 +8. Dougherty 2014 USDT 23 - 4 - 8 - 12 - 34 +20. |
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Post by BadCompany on Jun 10, 2014 8:16:43 GMT -5
I enjoy mock drafts, but they need to be taken with entire shakers of salt. They are what they are, fun little games. But as is said every year if people were to actually see a REAL team's draft list they would be shocked. Which is why I always laugh when I see "this team will NEVER pass/take that player". You never know.
With regards to McCarron, I too think it's way too early to write him off. And having said that many people claim that McCarron should have been a second round pick, and De la Rose and Fucale first round picks. So what difference does it make where we got them? Would it REALLY have made that much of a difference if we had of drafted Fucale 25th overall and McCarron 34th? In the end they're just numbers, right?
I tend to think that when it comes to drafts the NFL is the only sport that has a whole lot of intrigue and subterfuge going on. And that's because teams actually draft for needs in that sport. So you can look at a team and say "they will not be drafting a QB, guaranteed". Hockey, no so much. Now having said that, it's entirely possible that once the Habs were on the clock at 25th they looked at their list and guessed that McCarron wasn't going to make it to 34. Maybe they had an inside tip, or hunch, that some other team was going to take him. Then looking at the rest of their list they knew, or believed, they were going to get the players they wanted at 34 and 36 anyways, and didn't need to draft them at 25th. Like I said, if before the draft people had of said we end up with Fucale, De la Rose and McCarron, without telling you the order, most people would have been happy. So what difference does it make what order they went in?
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Post by GNick99 on Jun 14, 2014 5:11:36 GMT -5
Draft don't mean as much this year as last two. In 2012 we were drafting high and last year we had multiply picks in a deep draft.
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Post by seventeen on Jun 14, 2014 16:55:40 GMT -5
And both those drafts were stronger than this one IMO.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 16, 2014 11:08:13 GMT -5
Here's a mock draft put together by Bleacher. Aaron Ekblad going first overall to Florida ... they have Montreal selecting David Pastrnak, RW, Sodertalje (Allsvenskan) ... don't think they did their homework on that one ... Pastrnak is 5'9" ... Cheers. |
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Post by franko on Jun 16, 2014 12:56:56 GMT -5
Here's a mock draft put together by Bleacher. Aaron Ekblad going first overall to Florida ... they have Montreal selecting David Pastrnak, RW, Sodertalje (Allsvenskan) ... don't think they did their homework on that one ... Pastrnak is 5'9" ... Cheers. maybe they did, Dis . . . maybe they did. a small [fits the team model] "grinder". [nope, not going to let that one go] |
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