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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 16, 2014 13:00:28 GMT -5
Here's a mock draft put together by Bleacher. Aaron Ekblad going first overall to Florida ... they have Montreal selecting David Pastrnak, RW, Sodertalje (Allsvenskan) ... don't think they did their homework on that one ... Pastrnak is 5'9" ... Cheers. maybe they did, Dis . . . maybe they did. a small [fits the team model] "grinder". [nope, not going to let that one go] Grinder ... brilliant  ... you know yourself, Bergevin wants to make the team bigger ... I don't know if Bleacher actually thought of that when they put this together ... Cheers. |
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Post by duster on Jun 17, 2014 12:44:44 GMT -5
From what I understand, it's a fairly weak draft this year. Last time the draft was this uncertain is probably the year the Habs drafted Fischer. There doesn't seem to be a huge difference between #26 and #60, imo. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Habs try to trade down again in order to get two picks in the second round. Buffalo has three picks in that round. Plenty of other teams have two.
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Post by GNick99 on Jun 19, 2014 15:57:58 GMT -5
Habs looking to trade up in draft?
Renaud Lavoie @renlavoietva 7m
#canadiens Marc Bergevin said he's ready to do a trade to have a better pick at the draft. #tvasports
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Post by franko on Jun 19, 2014 16:16:17 GMT -5
why? [if duster is right].
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Post by seventeen on Jun 19, 2014 17:43:12 GMT -5
That's what I'd ask? Why? Unless you're moving up to Ekblad, Reinhart or Bennett, not worth it.
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Post by duster on Jun 19, 2014 17:45:26 GMT -5
MA Godin in La Presse today has an article about the lack of depth in this year's draft. Bergevin said trading his 2014 first round pick is a possibility. Moving up for a specific player or moving down to acquire more picks are both mentioned.
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Post by GNick99 on Jun 19, 2014 20:49:31 GMT -5
why? [if duster is right]. I would imagine there is somebody Bergs really likes but not going to be around at 26th. Just a guess...chance it is Ehlers. I heard Timmins say in interview he has a lot of Kane in him. Last year Habs tried hard to move up twice and failed both times. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jun 19, 2014 23:28:33 GMT -5
We have a genius in Trevor Timmins? Has he really done any better than HabsRus posters would have?
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Post by GNick99 on Jun 20, 2014 6:11:47 GMT -5
We have a genius in Trevor Timmins? Has he really done any better than HabsRus posters would have? Timmins one of best scouts in NHL. Team got to Conference Finals basically core of team are his draftees. Carey Price, Subban, Gallagher, Pacioretty, Galchenyuk all his. That is despite foolish trades of some of his picks like Ryan McDonagh or John Carlson, then overruled him in '06 when Timmins wanted Giroux. If Gainey/Gauthier wouldn't done that, we'll likely be a dynasty. On top of that back in March, Hockey News gave Habs farm system a B+, ranked us 7th best out of the 30 teams. |
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Post by PTH on Jun 20, 2014 7:43:19 GMT -5
We have a genius in Trevor Timmins? Has he really done any better than HabsRus posters would have? Timmins one of best scouts in NHL. Team got to Conference Finals basically core of team are his draftees. Carey Price, Subban, Gallagher, Pacioretty, Galchenyuk all his. That is despite foolish trades of some of his picks like Ryan McDonagh or John Carlson, then overruled him in '06 when Timmins wanted Giroux. If Gainey/Gauthier wouldn't done that, we'll likely be a dynasty. On top of that back in March, Hockey News gave Habs farm system a B+, ranked us 7th best out of the 30 teams. I don't know what John Carlson has to do with this debate.... picked with a pick traded from Philly to Washington.... I just don't see a Montreal link. Other than that, I agree with your argument that Timmins seems to be doing a fine job, though it's very hard for outsiders to really rate their work without knowing the ins and outs (for example: was he really overruled on Giroux ? Did he recommend other players and get overruled on picks that turned into hits rather than misses ?) |
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Post by blny on Jun 20, 2014 7:56:02 GMT -5
Renaud Lavoie is reporting that Berg would like to move up. Not sure how far, and what he's willing to part with to do so.
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Post by GNick99 on Jun 20, 2014 8:22:48 GMT -5
Timmins one of best scouts in NHL. Team got to Conference Finals basically core of team are his draftees. Carey Price, Subban, Gallagher, Pacioretty, Galchenyuk all his. That is despite foolish trades of some of his picks like Ryan McDonagh or John Carlson, then overruled him in '06 when Timmins wanted Giroux. If Gainey/Gauthier wouldn't done that, we'll likely be a dynasty. On top of that back in March, Hockey News gave Habs farm system a B+, ranked us 7th best out of the 30 teams. I don't know what John Carlson has to do with this debate.... picked with a pick traded from Philly to Washington.... I just don't see a Montreal link. Other than that, I agree with your argument that Timmins seems to be doing a fine job, though it's very hard for outsiders to really rate their work without knowing the ins and outs (for example: was he really overruled on Giroux ? Did he recommend other players and get overruled on picks that turned into hits rather than misses ?) Grant Mccagg scouting for Habs at time, said Habs were going to pick Carlson in 2008 draft. Had him rated 8th overall, Habs traded that pick(25th overall) for Tanguay on draft day 2008. Timmins wanted Giroux in '06, who played his junior hockey in Timmins backyard, and were good friends with his parents. Gainey wanted his first pick to be a general consensus among his scouts. Our Minnesota scout went to bat for Fisher(forget his name now),swayed the others. I know of no other misses. |
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Post by BadCompany on Jun 20, 2014 8:36:33 GMT -5
Renaud Lavoie is reporting that Berg would like to move up. Not sure how far, and what he's willing to part with to do so. Well, the Habs wanted to trade up last year to draft defenseman Samuel Morin, couldn't do it and ended up not drafting a single blueliner at all, on top of only drafting one the year before (Dalton Thrower). So CLEARLY the Habs are going to move up and draft defenseman Hayden Fleury. In fact, they should sign him to his entry level contract right now, seeing as this is pretty much a fait accompli.  My fearless prediction is that we don't draft at all in the first round. Either we drop to the early second, or we use the pick to acquire a player. I'm not so sure it will be a blockbuster, part-of-a-package deal, but maybe a decent, but "I-can't-believe-we-traded-a-first-round-pick-for-that-guy!" type of player. Jiri Hudler or Michael Frolik or something. So there. |
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Post by blny on Jun 20, 2014 8:38:23 GMT -5
Renaud Lavoie is reporting that Berg would like to move up. Not sure how far, and what he's willing to part with to do so. Well, the Habs wanted to trade up last year to draft defenseman Samuel Morin, couldn't do it and ended up not drafting a single blueliner at all, on top of only drafting one the year before (Dalton Thrower). So CLEARLY the Habs are going to move up and draft defenseman Hayden Fleury. In fact, they should sign him to his entry level contract right now, seeing as this is pretty much a fait accompli. My fearless prediction is that we don't draft at all in the first round. Either we drop to the early second, or we use the pick to acquire a player. I'm not so sure it will be a blockbuster, part-of-a-package deal, but maybe a decent, but "I-can't-believe-we-traded-a-first-round-pick-for-that-guy!" type of player. Jiri Hudler or Michael Frolik or something. So there. I mentioned in the Yandle thread about Pleks and first for Yandle and second, in part because I see a real possibility of trading down if they can't get the player they want in the first. Where they're slated to pick, if they can get a couple of seconds for it the drop off isn't that much. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 20, 2014 10:18:38 GMT -5
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Post by GNick99 on Jun 22, 2014 18:21:59 GMT -5
Can't wait for the draft...hopefully a few trades be made |
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Post by GNick99 on Jun 23, 2014 14:52:38 GMT -5
Bob McKenzie draft rankings on TSN tonight.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jun 23, 2014 20:08:48 GMT -5
It's a weak draft with no can't miss superstars. On top of that we are picking late. We won't build for next year at the draft no matter how smart Timmins is.
We will rely on our three goaltenders, Price and two high potential kids. Maybe one would bring some value in a trade.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 24, 2014 21:16:40 GMT -5
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Post by GNick99 on Jun 25, 2014 3:03:35 GMT -5
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Post by Douper on Jun 25, 2014 15:21:28 GMT -5
Most nights I saw him play he was playing at a different speed than the others. He's got tons of talent. Only problem would be the KHL...if only his name was Yvon Barbaricher |
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Post by blny on Jun 25, 2014 15:26:22 GMT -5
The only knock Ive seen on Ivan is that he can be inconsistent, but what teenager isn't at times? If he's available, he's a very solid pick. TSN's draft via Button has Lemieux going 30th to the Devils. I don't think he'd be a bad pick either.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jun 26, 2014 16:21:16 GMT -5
Most nights I saw him play he was playing at a different speed than the others. He's got tons of talent. Only problem would be the KHL...if only his name was Yvon Barbaricher Hope he is around at 26 but doubt it. it hurts to think that Pittsburg, Toronto, Boston and Chicago all draft ahead of us. |
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Post by BadCompany on Jun 27, 2014 7:08:34 GMT -5
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jun 27, 2014 10:42:24 GMT -5
“We’ve always looked for players with character and a compete level, and that has been emphasized in the two years since Marc took over,” Timmins said. Brandan Lemieux fits that, no? Kind of early at #26 but Timmins said yesterday that position 15 to 40 is pretty much equal... |
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Post by franko on Jun 27, 2014 11:05:02 GMT -5
“We’ve always looked for players with character and a compete level, and that has been emphasized in the two years since Marc took over,” Timmins said. Brandan Lemieux fits that, no? Kind of early at #26 but Timmins said yesterday that position 15 to 40 is pretty much equal... I like the pedigree. he's my choice. then again, if MT is coaching when whoever comes up he'll hardly sniff the ice because he isn't seasoned enough. |
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Post by blny on Jun 27, 2014 11:05:43 GMT -5
Button's list, which was the TSN draft preview show, has Lemieux going 30th. I think either he or Barbashev would be good fits.
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Post by seventeen on Jun 27, 2014 12:26:44 GMT -5
Button's list, which was the TSN draft preview show, has Lemieux going 30th. I think either he or Barbashev would be good fits. That's a list I'd avoid like the plague. Button? Yikes. I think there's a reason the Flames fired him. Funny how people see players differently. For example, Leon Draisaitl is high on most lists, but I don't like him at all. I saw him play live twice and he didn't stand out and I saw him at the WJC in one game and once again, he didn't stand out. Josh Morrisey, for example, who went 13th last year to Winnipeg was much the more impressive player (He and Draisaitl were on Prince Albert together). Yet perhaps I saw him in his worst games of the year, who knows? (I doubt that, but you have to accept the possibility). |
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Post by blny on Jun 27, 2014 12:56:08 GMT -5
For the record, Button's list is compiled not only from his own views but from dealings/discussions with other scouts. It's not just about where they think people will go, but an evaluation of drafting teams' stock and what their weaknesses are.
I know Craig's been given a bad rap over the years, but I don't know how justified it is. He was the GM in Calgary from 2000-2003. He put together much of the roster that would get to the finals in 2004. He also had a significant role in the AHL championship in 2001. I think some guys just get painted with a brush, or have enough Saperlipopette that's thrown at them that sticks, and the establishment just writes them off.
I think it could be fairly argued that there are far worse evaluators of talent out there, and that he certainly couldn't do a worse job than Snow in NYI.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jun 27, 2014 14:40:31 GMT -5
I'm sure the scouts know a lot more than I do and they have more inside info.
My choices are based on BPA considering in order of importance:
Speed
Size
Character
Accomplishment to date
Projection
Whoever we pick will have a tough time beating out some of the kids we already have and will not likely join the big team for three years. Future potential trumps readiness now. You can learn positional play, decision making and bulk up but you can't learn speed, size and character.
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... you know yourself, Bergevin wants to make the team bigger ... I don't know if Bleacher actually thought of that when they put this together ... 
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