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Post by BadCompany on Feb 18, 2015 9:36:56 GMT -5
*** So sorry BLNY, I meant to quote your post, and ended up editing it! I've restored it as best I can. This is why I can't have nice things.Here is what I MEANT to do: IMO, we have our Winnik. His name is Weise. You can never have enough Weise's!  No interest in Lupul. Aside from the frequent injuries, I think he's their worst defensive forward. Yeah, I have no interest either. But he is an offensive player that could be had for relatively cheap. I don't think he's on his way here, but I'm sure the Leafs would love to ship him. Kessel has the offensive skills we need. There are question marks about the rest. It would require a significant return, and include salary going the other way. They want picks and prospects. We'd have to include PAP and likely Allen. Even then, the risks are there. If the cap ceiling stays the same, we still run risks. It means a reduction of depth taking on an $8 million player. If the cap for some reason drops ... we're over a barrel. Personally I don't think the cap is going to drop. They've already said that it's probably going up again next year, and after that you got Las Vegas sitting in the wings, with probably another expansion city as well. Couple of relocations after that, to say Quebec and Toronto... I don't think the cap will be dropping anytime soon. JVR would be a shrewd addition, but may well cost more than Kessel. His contract is as favorable as Pacioretty's. He's not as complete a player, but he's big, mobile and can score. Yep. Would you do Scherbak and 1st? I love Scherbak, think he's going to be a star... but JVR is already a proven 30 goal scorer, and still young. There is no reason to believe he won't continue to score 30 goals a season for the next decade or so. Will Scherbak be better than that? I'd have to watch Panik more. Some have said he'd make us worse. Leafs fans don't want to part with Komarov. IMO, he's strictly a 3rd line player, and we have plenty of those. He is a physical player and agitator though. Can't see it being Reimer. He'd be a good back up to Price, but he's too expensive for a back up. I just through Reimer out there for fun (and he didn't even play last night) but it's not that unrealistic a scenario to think we'd be looking for a more experienced backup. I don't know if Reimer is that guy, but then I don't know if Tokarski is that guy either. BUT, I do suspect that if Tokarski's name is being dangled there are some teams that might have some mild interest. For example Buffalo has no goalies under contract for next season. BOTH their goalies are UFAs. Could there be something involving Tokarski and Chris Stewart, adding pieces as you see fit? If that were to happen then I think Bergevin would want a somewhat more reliable/experienced backup than Joey MacDonald and/or Mike Condon, right? I don't think that anybody believes Reimer can win you a Cup… but can he win you one game if Price goes down with the flu? One game in a seven game series could make all the difference, right? |
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Post by blny on Feb 18, 2015 10:04:44 GMT -5
LOL No worries BC.
Re the Cap situation: my concern is the Canadian $. If it goes downward closer to $.70USD, I think there will be significant pressure on the league to evaluate where they set the levels.
For JVR, 3 more years at a cap hit under $5 million ... I'd strongly consider a Scherbak and first. JVR is having an abysmal year defensively, but I think it's as much a blip as anything. He's usually close to +/- zero. Nikita is hardly a sure thing. The draft pick is a crap shoot. JVR is a legit 30g man with size and speed.
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Post by franko on Feb 18, 2015 10:10:40 GMT -5
Kessel is available, but at what price? Not just in assets, but in cap room and locker room impact? heard the tail end of a conversation re: Kessel and the asking price . . . 4 pieces that include Scherbak and a 1st? maybe if his name was Crosby . . . [ok, not maybe] |
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Post by blny on Feb 18, 2015 10:41:06 GMT -5
Kessel is available, but at what price? Not just in assets, but in cap room and locker room impact? heard the tail end of a conversation re: Kessel and the asking price . . . 4 pieces that include Scherbak and a 1st? maybe if his name was Crosby . . . [ok, not maybe] No one is taking Kessel, for that much cash and term, without sending cash and term back. It's not whether Phil is worth it. It's a matter of fitting under the cap. Toronto has a limited number of teams that can manage his salary, and many of them will likely need to send term and salary back (for at least part of the remainder of Phil's contract). For Montreal, that has to be PAP (and likely Allen). |
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Post by franko on Feb 18, 2015 11:06:31 GMT -5
heard the tail end of a conversation re: Kessel and the asking price . . . 4 pieces that include Scherbak and a 1st? maybe if his name was Crosby . . . [ok, not maybe] No one is taking Kessel, for that much cash and term, without sending cash and term back. It's not whether Phil is worth it. It's a matter of fitting under the cap. Toronto has a limited number of teams that can manage his salary, and many of them will likely need to send term and salary back (for at least part of the remainder of Phil's contract). For Montreal, that has to be PAP (and likely Allen). realize that. TO's going to want solid building blocks back ie real roster players. I wonder if it will be a draft day trade. |
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Post by blny on Feb 18, 2015 11:16:33 GMT -5
No one is taking Kessel, for that much cash and term, without sending cash and term back. It's not whether Phil is worth it. It's a matter of fitting under the cap. Toronto has a limited number of teams that can manage his salary, and many of them will likely need to send term and salary back (for at least part of the remainder of Phil's contract). For Montreal, that has to be PAP (and likely Allen). realize that. TO's going to want solid building blocks back ie real roster players. I wonder if it will be a draft day trade. most likely, but they're still likely going to have to take a plug or two back |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 18, 2015 11:31:00 GMT -5
TVA is reporting that the Habs are talking to Dallas, Florida and Toronto ... Edit: Here's the linkCheers. |
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Post by Skilly on Feb 18, 2015 11:31:35 GMT -5
No one is mentioning Phaneuf.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 18, 2015 11:36:46 GMT -5
I was thinking if him (Phaneuf). He fits in much better as a 2nd pairing guy than a first pairing guy. Maybe a first pair if he's teamed with a PK, but s/b fine on the 2nd pairing facing the second best lines on teams. Leafs would have to eat some contract, though.
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Post by blny on Feb 18, 2015 12:07:38 GMT -5
Dion for 6 more years at $7 million? Makes me cringe a bit. They'd have to take Emelin.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Feb 18, 2015 12:18:49 GMT -5
TVA is reporting that the Habs are talking to Dallas, Florida and Toronto ... Edit: Here's the linkCheers. Glad the Vermette/Avs talk has died down. That was one heck of a management presence at the Leafs-Panthers game though. Not unusual to see scouts and the occasional GM or AGM, but when you also bring your Senior VP and legal/capologist along there have to be some serious talks going on behind the scenes. May not amount to a trade, but it is more than just the usual GMs swapping texts or making exploratory calls. Or maybe, they all like the Burke dogs at ACC. |
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Post by jkr on Feb 18, 2015 12:38:01 GMT -5
Dion for 6 more years at $7 million? Makes me cringe a bit. They'd have to take Emelin. A big maybe but only if they take about 1.5 million back per year. |
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Post by BadCompany on Feb 18, 2015 12:51:52 GMT -5
I cannot imagine Subban and Phaneuf getting along too well. Subban and Kessel I don't see any problem with, because Kessel just wants to be left alone. Phaneuf though? He wants to be top dog, and I don't think he's going to play too well with PK. The battles over who controls the music in the dressing room alone could cost us a Cup.
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Post by franko on Feb 18, 2015 13:01:54 GMT -5
Dion for 6 more years at $7 million? Makes me cringe a bit. They'd have to take Emelin. A big maybe but only if they take about 1.5 million back per year. aren't keeping clear of pylons? |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 18, 2015 13:10:29 GMT -5
A big maybe but only if they take about 1.5 million back per year. aren't keeping clear of pylons? Maybe if someone can teach him how to play defence ... dunno ... kind of reminds me of what Russ Courtnall said back in the day ... shortly after arriving, Courtnall said he had learned more in two weeks in Montreal than he did during his entire time in Toronto (might be a fitting saying for Leafs right now too) ... that said, I wouldn't go near Phaneuf ... maybe if Hamrlik were here ... that's about the last time I saw him play consistent good hockey ... who would I go after ... I really don't know ... Cheers. |
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Post by blny on Feb 18, 2015 13:19:56 GMT -5
 Tis crude, but gets the point across. lol |
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Post by seventeen on Feb 18, 2015 13:33:57 GMT -5
I cannot imagine Subban and Phaneuf getting along too well. Subban and Kessel I don't see any problem with, because Kessel just wants to be left alone. Phaneuf though? He wants to be top dog, and I don't think he's going to play too well with PK. The battles over who controls the music in the dressing room alone could cost us a Cup. Therrien allows music in the dressing room? He's going to lose that tough guy image. |
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Post by seventeen on Feb 18, 2015 13:35:30 GMT -5
aren't keeping clear of pylons? Maybe if someone can teach him how to play defence ... dunno ... kind of reminds me of what Russ Courtnall said back in the day ... shortly after arriving, Courtnall said he had learned more in two weeks in Montreal than he did during his entire time in Toronto (might be a fitting saying for Leafs right now too) ... that said, I wouldn't go near Phaneuf ... maybe if Hamrlik were here ... that's about the last time I saw him play consistent good hockey ... who would I go after ... I really don't know ... Cheers. Don't forget, Gonchar should be back well before the playoffs. (To take Dion under his wing  ) I'm not a Phaneuf fan and I don't think he'd help us as much as Kessel would. I'm sick and tired of these 1 and 2 goal games. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 18, 2015 14:22:14 GMT -5
Maybe if someone can teach him how to play defence ... dunno ... kind of reminds me of what Russ Courtnall said back in the day ... shortly after arriving, Courtnall said he had learned more in two weeks in Montreal than he did during his entire time in Toronto (might be a fitting saying for Leafs right now too) ... that said, I wouldn't go near Phaneuf ... maybe if Hamrlik were here ... that's about the last time I saw him play consistent good hockey ... who would I go after ... I really don't know ... Cheers. Don't forget, Gonchar should be back well before the playoffs. (To take Dion under his wing ) I'm not a Phaneuf fan and I don't think he'd help us as much as Kessel would. I'm sick and tired of these 1 and 2 goal games. Well, I hear you 17 ... I'd like to see more offense for sure ... I don't have the solution but Bergevin is working on it ... would really like to see him land that impact player that would put us over the top ... easier said than done I reckon ... Cheers. |
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Post by jkr on Feb 18, 2015 16:07:44 GMT -5
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Post by jkr on Feb 18, 2015 16:11:10 GMT -5
I was thinking if him (Phaneuf). He fits in much better as a 2nd pairing guy than a first pairing guy. Maybe a first pair if he's teamed with a PK, but s/b fine on the 2nd pairing facing the second best lines on teams. Leafs would have to eat some contract, though. As far as the Leafs D goes, Roman Polak's name is getting mentioned more often. 28 years old, one more year at around 3 million. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 18, 2015 16:19:15 GMT -5
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Post by GNick99 on Feb 18, 2015 18:13:09 GMT -5
There's a decent convo on Habs/Leafs trade talks on Prime Time Sports, Feb.16th edition, first 10 minutes or so of 3 hour. Worth listening to Thanks gnick99 ... I just listened to it and it echos what Bergevin said he wanted to do when he first took over the job ... he wants to make the club competitive for the long haul ... Cheers. Elliote Friedman's comment about Bergs not giving up a 2nd round pick for Raffi Torres a couple of years ago you mean? Yeah, you can see his point..that pick is now DLR. I can't see Bergs digging into farm unless its impact player with term. Watching Leafs game, wanted to see a few players, showed Bergs, Dudley and about 5 Habs scouts chatting with both Tallon and Noris. Kind of makes me think 3 team trade. Which makes sense for Bergs to bring that many of his people in, get felling its not for a Winnik or Polak alone. If trade goes thru I expect it to be major |
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Post by seventeen on Feb 18, 2015 18:56:26 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind Polak. Decent skater. Strong like ox. Reasonable contract. I remember BC comparing him to one of our guys a few years back when we had to sign them. I just can't recall if it was Gorges or (yikes) Komisarek.
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Post by Disp on Feb 18, 2015 19:15:52 GMT -5
Whoops, wrong thread.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Feb 18, 2015 23:19:00 GMT -5
Wonder if Emelin is part of any potential deal in play right now. That injury could change things up.
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Post by BadCompany on Feb 19, 2015 8:35:04 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind Polak. Decent skater. Strong like ox. Reasonable contract. I remember BC comparing him to one of our guys a few years back when we had to sign them. I just can't recall if it was Gorges or (yikes) Komisarek. I did? I don't remember mentioning Polak at all, besides making some politically incorrect jokes that is. And not in conjunction with Roman.Could have happened I supposed, I post a lot of crap stuff, but I don't remember doing so. If Emelin is out long term Polak might be a decent replacement for that style of player. |
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Post by blny on Feb 19, 2015 8:46:46 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind Polak. Decent skater. Strong like ox. Reasonable contract. I remember BC comparing him to one of our guys a few years back when we had to sign them. I just can't recall if it was Gorges or (yikes) Komisarek. I did? I don't remember mentioning Polak at all, besides making some politically incorrect jokes that is. And not in conjunction with Roman.Could have happened I supposed, I post a lot of crap stuff, but I don't remember doing so. If Emelin is out long term Polak might be a decent replacement for that style of player. Archie is that you? |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 19, 2015 9:58:21 GMT -5
Wonder if Emelin is part of any potential deal in play right now. That injury could change things up. That injury might just change everything for Bergevin ... he is not dealing from a position of strength any longer ... the more defensemen go down the more the need rises and I suspect opposing GMs might just try to use that as leverage ... Polak would be a good acquisition but the price may have just gone up a bit if it's Montreal asking about him ... not saying I'm right, but if I'm an opposing GM ... Cheers. |
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Post by blny on Feb 19, 2015 10:14:32 GMT -5
Conversely, the Flyers are rumoured to be willing to part with Coburn and/or Grossman. If they flood the market with those two, especially Coburn, it will affect values the other way. I'd be interested in Coburn. He's not a brute, but he's big, mobile, and positionally sound. He's only -1 on a Flyers team that gives up more goals than they score. He's signed for one more year with a cap hit of $4.5 million. Now, if they could swing a hockey deal that got them Simmonds as well I'd be one happy camper.
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No interest in Lupul. Aside from the frequent injuries, I think he's their worst defensive forward. 
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