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Post by NWTHabsFan on Feb 26, 2015 18:26:23 GMT -5
The last big heralded free agent signings from the last couple of July 1sts.
My, how things have changed, expect for all us objective folks who scratched our heads on both deals at the time.
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Post by Disp on Feb 26, 2015 18:37:52 GMT -5
It actually makes a lot of sense for both teams. Pretty shrewd by the leafs.
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Post by franko on Feb 26, 2015 18:39:56 GMT -5
I can't believe that anyone took Clarkson and that contract . . . considered one of if not the worst UFA signings in NHL history!
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Post by jkr on Feb 26, 2015 18:42:33 GMT -5
Is Horton even fit to play? And how did Nonis find a taker for that godawful deal? Bergevin should be on the phone to Columbus asking about Johansen. |
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Post by jkr on Feb 26, 2015 18:45:02 GMT -5
I can't believe that anyone took Clarkson and that contract . . . considered one of if not the worst UFA signings in NHL history! 5 more years of Clarkson doing dumb stuff trying to prove he's relevant. Only it's in Columbus now.  It won't help the Leaf tank this year because they are better with him out of the lineup. |
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Post by Disp on Feb 26, 2015 18:53:30 GMT -5
Is Horton even fit to play? And how did Nonis find a taker for that godawful deal? Bergevin should be on the phone to Columbus asking about Johansen. Horton is not fit to play. That's the point. He's probably done. The jackets weren't a cap team, and they had no insurance on him. The leafs can take on his contract, put him on ltir gain back his cap hit, and spend to the cap, while still paying Horton. It's pretty smart. |
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Post by Disp on Feb 26, 2015 18:56:27 GMT -5
Also Columbus gets a body for the money they were paying anyways.
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Post by Tankdriver on Feb 26, 2015 18:57:45 GMT -5
I knew it was cold outside but I didn't think it was because Hell had frozen over. The Leafs are so lucky. They can put Horton on LTIR, and get the cap space back. They are just paying Horton to stay home and the Leafs got plenty of dough. Maybe they retool for a run next year and get some high priced guy this summer (Seabrooke/Sharp?)
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Post by blny on Feb 26, 2015 19:35:17 GMT -5
Why couldn't CBJ put him on LTIR and do the same thing?
OK: So two reasons. One, CBJ didn't insure the contract at the time of signing. They couldn't get it afterwards which means they couldn't put him on LTIR. Two, even if they could have they don't spend to the ceiling. In order to get that ltir relief, you have to spend to the ceiling. CBJ is a budget team, spending well below it. So, from the Jackets pov, they need a body. They'd rather spend the money and have someone playing.
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Post by Disp on Feb 26, 2015 19:50:06 GMT -5
Pretty sure you have to be spending to the cap to get relief, otherwise you don't need it. They have a budget. The leafs could probably spend triple the cap, so they don't care.
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Post by CentreHice on Feb 26, 2015 19:50:10 GMT -5
Damn...now Toronto isn't stuck with him. He was a typical Leaf contract-player combo.
Phaneuf/Kessel next?
Good move by Shananonis.
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Post by blny on Feb 26, 2015 20:41:17 GMT -5
According to TSN, Jarmo and the Jackets sought the move out. Not the Leafs.
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Post by BadCompany on Feb 27, 2015 8:02:40 GMT -5
Yeah, I think that was purely a budget move. They were paying Horton for nothing, and now they will be paying Clarkson for... well, not nothing.
(I couldn't think of what they would actually be paying him for)
Remember that summer, when everyone was mad a Bergevin because of all the power-forwards that were available, that he didn't go get? Horton, Clarkson, Clowe, Morrow... Good thing I'm not GM!
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Post by Gogie on Feb 27, 2015 8:55:13 GMT -5
Yeah, I think that was purely a budget move. They were paying Horton for nothing, and now they will be paying Clarkson for... well, not nothing. (I couldn't think of what they would actually be paying him for) Remember that summer, when everyone was mad a Bergevin because of all the power-forwards that were available, that he didn't go get? Horton, Clarkson, Clowe, Morrow... Good thing I'm not GM! Are power forwards the NHL version of power NFL running backs? All that banging and thrashing creates a limited shelf life - they're very productive for a few years and then they fall off a cliff. |
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Post by jkr on Feb 27, 2015 10:24:34 GMT -5
So MLSE has to deposit 25 million into Horton's bank account in order to get their cap space back. Cap space that Nonis threw away in the 1st place. And Nonis is a hero now?  |
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Post by jkr on Feb 27, 2015 10:25:18 GMT -5
According to TSN, Jarmo and the Jackets sought the move out. Not the Leafs. Proof that Nonis isn't the genius that Leaf fans now think he is. |
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Post by blny on Feb 27, 2015 10:51:16 GMT -5
So MLSE has to deposit 25 million into Horton's bank account in order to get their cap space back. Cap space that Nonis threw away in the 1st place. And Nonis is a hero now? More or less what I said to someone today. I seriously doubt the board at Rogers is any happier paying out to a guy that can't play over a guy that can. Jarmo put himself in the corner by not getting insurance at the time he signed Horton. Because he can't spend to the cap he made the best of a bad situation and got a warm body. |
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Post by seventeen on Feb 27, 2015 14:27:00 GMT -5
Bottom line for MLSE...they were paying 5.3MM for a guy who wasn't contributing much. Now, if Nonis spends the money that's not added to CAP (HOrton's salary), they'll be spending 10.5MM for someone who isn't a superstar. So they'll be spending $10.5MM for what they thought they were getting for $5.3MM. That's an easy sell. They'll just raise ticket prices.
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Post by blny on Feb 27, 2015 21:02:52 GMT -5
Flyers send Timonen to Hawks for a 2015 second and a 2016 conditional 4th. This is an odd move. One, it's not what the Hawks need and two, Timonen hasn't played all year because of blood clots.
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Post by Disp on Feb 27, 2015 22:58:08 GMT -5
The Hawks needed another dman. After Keith, Seabrook, and Hjarlmarsson it's pretty thin.
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Post by blny on Feb 27, 2015 23:07:44 GMT -5
The Hawks needed another dman. After Keith, Seabrook, and Hjarlmarsson it's pretty thin. Oduya and Roszival are a serviceable 3rd pair. I know the former's been out with injury, but Kimo hasn't played all year. The second and conditional 4th seem awfully steep to me given that. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Feb 27, 2015 23:39:24 GMT -5
The Hawks needed another dman. After Keith, Seabrook, and Hjarlmarsson it's pretty thin. Oduya and Roszival are a serviceable 3rd pair. I know the former's been out with injury, but Kimo hasn't played all year. The second and conditional 4th seem awfully steep to me given that. Yes, it does seem rather high. |
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Post by seventeen on Feb 28, 2015 1:21:30 GMT -5
It's Sillyitis and strikes a few GM's every year at this time. There' a vaccine for it, called patience, but only the good GM's get the shot annually. Those afflicted with Grandiositis think their team is closer than it actually is and are especially susceptible to Sillyitis. You can get a second opinion from Dr. Recchi.
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Post by Skilly on Feb 28, 2015 7:53:07 GMT -5
Bottom line for MLSE...they were paying 5.3MM for a guy who wasn't contributing much. Now, if Nonis spends the money that's not added to CAP (HOrton's salary), they'll be spending 10.5MM for someone who isn't a superstar. So they'll be spending $10.5MM for what they thought they were getting for $5.3MM. That's an easy sell. They'll just raise ticket prices. Not IF ... WHEN. Nonis HAS to spend to the cap limit now, or he gets no relief. One misconception about LTIR is that it's not counted towards the cap. It, in fact, is counted towards the cap. The cap relief is calculated by subtracting the cap space from the injured players salary. So in essence, Toronto will be right at the cap limit or over starting next season, or if the are truly in rebuild, under the cap with Horton's cap and no relief. |
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Post by Disp on Feb 28, 2015 8:34:32 GMT -5
The Hawks needed another dman. After Keith, Seabrook, and Hjarlmarsson it's pretty thin. Oduya and Roszival are a serviceable 3rd pair. I know the former's been out with injury, but Kimo hasn't played all year. The second and conditional 4th seem awfully steep to me given that. Their play isn't what it used to be and the other guys are worse. Timonen was the flyers Markov. |
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Post by jkr on Feb 28, 2015 14:16:01 GMT -5
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Post by franko on Feb 28, 2015 14:43:22 GMT -5
Fleischman to Ducks for Heatley. why? mini salary dump? |
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Post by blny on Feb 28, 2015 15:31:37 GMT -5
It's a big salary dump for the Panthers. $3 million difference in salary.
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Post by franko on Feb 28, 2015 16:12:18 GMT -5
It's a big salary dump for the Panthers. $3 million difference in salary. over the course of a month that equals . . . ? |
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Post by blny on Feb 28, 2015 16:24:03 GMT -5
It's a big salary dump for the Panthers. $3 million difference in salary. over the course of a month that equals . . . ? Enough to add a significant piece if they have something else on the burner. Dany's played most of the year in the minors. It's possible he won't even play for Florida, though if they put him on a line with Jagr it might be the slowest in league history. Panthers also got a third. |
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