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Post by GNick99 on Feb 28, 2015 16:42:09 GMT -5
over the course of a month that equals . . . ? Enough to add a significant piece if they have something else on the burner. Dany's played most of the year in the minors. It's possible he won't even play for Florida, though if they put him on a line with Jagr it might be the slowest in league history. Panthers also got a third. They must have plenty of caproom |
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Post by blny on Feb 28, 2015 17:37:03 GMT -5
Enough to add a significant piece if they have something else on the burner. Dany's played most of the year in the minors. It's possible he won't even play for Florida, though if they put him on a line with Jagr it might be the slowest in league history. Panthers also got a third. They must have plenty of caproom You'd think, but they're also in the thick of a playoff race and for me Fleicshmann is worth more to me than a cap dump and a 3rd. Newish owners, playoff drive. It all seems counter productive. Fleischmann goes a lot further to getting me in the playoffs than the return ... unless they're clearing as much as they can for a guy like Kessel ... |
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Post by Skilly on Feb 28, 2015 21:47:27 GMT -5
Vermette traded to CHI for Dahlbeck and a first rounder
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Post by franko on Feb 28, 2015 21:48:15 GMT -5
Vermette gone now . . . it could be a very long Monday at TSN/SN
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Post by GNick99 on Feb 28, 2015 22:18:03 GMT -5
Vermette gone now . . . it could be a very long Monday at TSN/SN Trade deadlines are unpredictable |
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Post by Douper on Feb 28, 2015 22:46:01 GMT -5
I am glad Vermette is off the board, too much for a marginal player. The fact that he was considered the best available player shows how much there's not much there in terms of talent available.
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Post by franko on Feb 28, 2015 22:46:31 GMT -5
looks like Weircosh might be off the table -- nasty looking run into the boards. self inflicted, pretty wobbly going off.
[edit: he's back, guess it wasn't as bad as it looked]
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Post by franko on Feb 28, 2015 22:49:05 GMT -5
I am glad Vermette is off the board, too much for a marginal player. The fact that he was considered the best available player shows how much there's not much there in terms of talent available. exactly. wonder if GMs are going to get antsy at 2:45 and really overpay for nothings. trade deadline day has become a filler for the CDN sports stations. |
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Post by seventeen on Feb 28, 2015 23:27:13 GMT -5
Vermette traded to CHI for Dahlbeck and a first rounder Sillyitis has evolved into StupidPox. |
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Post by blny on Mar 1, 2015 10:40:53 GMT -5
Carolina has re-signed McClement. 2 years, cap hit of $1.2 million.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 1, 2015 10:49:32 GMT -5
Vermette traded to CHI for Dahlbeck and a first rounder Well, if that's the going price forget about it ... Cheers. |
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Post by seventeen on Mar 1, 2015 12:38:03 GMT -5
Vermette traded to CHI for Dahlbeck and a first rounder This still really surprises me and nothing Stan Bowman has done until now makes me think he's a dummy. It's not only a first rounder, but in a deep draft, so your odds of getting a very good, cheap player to replace some of your aging, expensive players, is good. I realize he's fighting a CAP battle and with an extra $8MM or so coming on next year, he has to adjust, but the solution is and has always been to have upcoming young prospects ready to replace your expensive, CAP threatening veterans. Guys like Terevainen. I also realize he has a challenge matched only by Pittsburgh and LA, perhaps (maybe Habs) with two elite players taking up a lot of CAP space. Kopitar and Doughty, Crosby and Malkin, PK and Price. If one of these guys got hurt, as Kane did, it does indeed throw an industrial size wrench into their Cup hopes. So Bowman's rolling the dice that Vermette can replace some of Kane's production. Won't happen. Kane not only produces, he makes other guys better because he's so difficult to contain one on one that he needs to be double teamed at times, opening space for his teammates. Vermette elicits no such fear. If the Hawks don't go all the way or, horrors, get eliminated in the first round, imagine Bowman's thoughts in late June, when their turn to pick comes up, say around #20, and Arizona rises from their table to select a very good young prospect. Ouch. It delays the next time they have a good shot at the cup. Managing the CAP is such a huge part of a GM's job today. Anyway, I just find giving up a first rounder for Antoine freaking Vermette a bit much to stomach. |
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Post by franko on Mar 1, 2015 13:24:38 GMT -5
Hawks all-in this year I guess, hoping he's enough. I wonder . . .
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Post by GNick99 on Mar 1, 2015 13:33:53 GMT -5
Vermette traded to CHI for Dahlbeck and a first rounder This still really surprises me and nothing Stan Bowman has done until now makes me think he's a dummy. It's not only a first rounder, but in a deep draft, so your odds of getting a very good, cheap player to replace some of your aging, expensive players, is good. I realize he's fighting a CAP battle and with an extra $8MM or so coming on next year, he has to adjust, but the solution is and has always been to have upcoming young prospects ready to replace your expensive, CAP threatening veterans. Guys like Terevainen. I also realize he has a challenge matched only by Pittsburgh and LA, perhaps (maybe Habs) with two elite players taking up a lot of CAP space. Kopitar and Doughty, Crosby and Malkin, PK and Price. If one of these guys got hurt, as Kane did, it does indeed throw an industrial size wrench into their Cup hopes. So Bowman's rolling the dice that Vermette can replace some of Kane's production. Won't happen. Kane not only produces, he makes other guys better because he's so difficult to contain one on one that he needs to be double teamed at times, opening space for his teammates. Vermette elicits no such fear. If the Hawks don't go all the way or, horrors, get eliminated in the first round, imagine Bowman's thoughts in late June, when their turn to pick comes up, say around #20, and Arizona rises from their table to select a very good young prospect. Ouch. It delays the next time they have a good shot at the cup. Managing the CAP is such a huge part of a GM's job today. Anyway, I just find giving up a first rounder for Antoine freaking Vermette a bit much to stomach. Be quite a late first round pick, plus prospect was a B prospect. Doubt either will amount to much. I thought it was solid trade for Black Hawks. Depth down the middle. Kings said last year that is how they won the cup, much deeper at center than other clubs |
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Post by seventeen on Mar 1, 2015 15:40:50 GMT -5
Be quite a late first round pick, plus prospect was a B prospect. Doubt either will amount to much. I thought it was solid trade for Black Hawks. Depth down the middle. Kings said last year that is how they won the cup, much deeper at center than other clubs How does that work now? I thought that if a first place team in the regular season got eliminated in the first round, they'd join the other teams eliminated in the first round based on points. So say the Hawks finish first and get eliminated. They'd get the 8th choice out of the rest of the eliminated teams, which would be 22nd? If they finish 4th overall, that first rounder might be 19th. If I understand that correctly. |
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Post by Disp on Mar 1, 2015 16:13:00 GMT -5
Yandle to Rags, not sure who is going back.
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Post by blny on Mar 1, 2015 16:15:37 GMT -5
Hawks have no picks in first three rounds this year I believe.
Flames send Glencross to Capitals for 2nd and 3rd this year. Huge price for a guy far removed from 25 goal seasons and health.
Rangers in deep talks to acquire Yandle from Coyotes. McKenzie tweeting that asking price is Duclair and first.
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Post by CentreHice on Mar 1, 2015 16:25:54 GMT -5
Depth down the middle. Kings said last year that is how they won the cup, much deeper at center than other clubs And that's our weakness. |
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Post by GNick99 on Mar 1, 2015 16:39:27 GMT -5
Be quite a late first round pick, plus prospect was a B prospect. Doubt either will amount to much. I thought it was solid trade for Black Hawks. Depth down the middle. Kings said last year that is how they won the cup, much deeper at center than other clubs How does that work now? I thought that if a first place team in the regular season got eliminated in the first round, they'd join the other teams eliminated in the first round based on points. So say the Hawks finish first and get eliminated. They'd get the 8th choice out of the rest of the eliminated teams, which would be 22nd? If they finish 4th overall, that first rounder might be 19th. If I understand that correctly. Hawks quite a good team, imagine they will go deep. |
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Post by GNick99 on Mar 1, 2015 16:41:04 GMT -5
Depth down the middle. Kings said last year that is how they won the cup, much deeper at center than other clubs And that's our weakness. Just #1 center...Pleks good #2, DLR, Eller and Malholta. But DD as #1 center in playoffs does give me the willies, he is easily shutdown |
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Post by GNick99 on Mar 1, 2015 16:41:54 GMT -5
Hawks have no picks in first three rounds this year I believe. Flames send Glencross to Capitals for 2nd and 3rd this year. Huge price for a guy far removed from 25 goal seasons and health. Rangers in deep talks to acquire Yandle from Coyotes. McKenzie tweeting that asking price is Duclair and first. Glencross was a good player, but this year not the same |
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Post by seventeen on Mar 1, 2015 16:44:03 GMT -5
How does that work now? I thought that if a first place team in the regular season got eliminated in the first round, they'd join the other teams eliminated in the first round based on points. So say the Hawks finish first and get eliminated. They'd get the 8th choice out of the rest of the eliminated teams, which would be 22nd? If they finish 4th overall, that first rounder might be 19th. If I understand that correctly. Hawks quite a good team, imagine they will go deep. I think their chances just took at 20% drop with Kane injured. He's a huge part of that team's offence as he would be with any team. |
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Post by Anardil1 on Mar 1, 2015 16:44:40 GMT -5
With today`s trades, the Capitals and Rangers have become more difficult obstacles for the Habs to overcome.
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Post by GNick99 on Mar 1, 2015 16:48:36 GMT -5
With today`s trades, the Capitals and Rangers have become more difficult obstacles for the Habs to overcome. Nobody left for us to get tomorrow |
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Post by seventeen on Mar 1, 2015 16:50:12 GMT -5
Just #1 center...Pleks good #2, DLR, Eller and Malholta. But DD as #1 center in playoffs does give me the willies, he is easily shutdown Agreed. BTW, McKenzie and Friedmanne confirming Yandle to NY for Duclair and a first rounder. the pick has to be for another year as Tampa has their 2015 pick. I'm glad you asked what I think of this....  , Firstly, I think this hurt's the Rangers right now. Yandle is a good puck moving defenseman who has never put up good +/- stats. I'm not a big fan of +/-, but if the numbers are low, for enough years, it says something. Unless Yandle is paired with Rod Langway for example, he's going to be a problem in the defensive end. I also don't have that high an opinion of Duclair. I don't think his hockey IQ is that good, though he has great wheels. He missed too many chances at the WJC for my liking. I think Domi and Reinhart carried that line and made Duclair look better. So Rangers aren't giving up as much as some might think (or I could be dead wrong and they're giving up another Jakub Voracek). The first rounder will hurt, but it should be late and the 2016 Draft can't be as good as this year's. It's a lot to give up for a defensively weak, though offensively capable defender. $5.25MM cap hit too, for this season and next. Glad Berg stayed away. ps. just did more digging on his +/-/ Two years ago, when the Coyotes weren't as bad as this year, he was -23, and then next closest teammate was Mike Ribeiro at -13. Whoa! Ribeiro 10 points better! This year...-32 but the next guys are closer than the year before at -23. There's sarcasm there because the year is only 2/3 over. Yep glad he'll be wearing a Ranger uni rather than a Habs one. He can score, though. 63 points two years ago and 40 so far this year. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 1, 2015 16:50:21 GMT -5
Hawks have no picks in first three rounds this year I believe. Flames send Glencross to Capitals for 2nd and 3rd this year. Huge price for a guy far removed from 25 goal seasons and health. Rangers in deep talks to acquire Yandle from Coyotes. McKenzie tweeting that asking price is Duclair and first. Watching London and Sault Ste Marie and they're talking about the Rangers/Yandle right now ... the Rangers will be a lot better with Yandle ... here's the updated traded picks for the 2015 Entry Draft ... Cheers. |
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Post by Disp on Mar 1, 2015 16:53:20 GMT -5
Yandle 50% retained and Summers + 4th (2015) for J. Moore + Duclair + 1st (2016).
Quite the deal, I wouldn't have traded a similar package from us for Yandle.
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Post by GNick99 on Mar 1, 2015 16:56:36 GMT -5
Hawks have no picks in first three rounds this year I believe. Flames send Glencross to Capitals for 2nd and 3rd this year. Huge price for a guy far removed from 25 goal seasons and health. Rangers in deep talks to acquire Yandle from Coyotes. McKenzie tweeting that asking price is Duclair and first. Watching London and Sault Ste Marie and they're talking about the Rangers/Yandle right now ... the Rangers will be a lot better with Yandle ... here's the updated traded picks for the 2015 Entry Draft ... Cheers. Trade Weaver for 5th rounder...Pateryn has arrived and Timmins does well in 5th round. We need a 5th round pick |
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Post by seventeen on Mar 1, 2015 17:02:21 GMT -5
Thanks Disp, I hadn't heard all the details yet, obviously. I think that's even a worse deal. Summer is cannon fodder (a 2006 first rounder who has to be classed a bust) so NY gets basically Yandle and a 4th this year for Duclair, John Moore and a 1st in 2016. I like Moore. Terrific skater and only 24. I was hoping someone on the Habs would steamroll him as he was quite chippy that last couple of times against us. Not great right now and maybe the potential isn't terribly high, but a decent pickup with some upside. I think Don Maloney's patience really snagged Glen Sather. He must have auctioned off Yandle. I'd love to hear what Berg really thinks of this deal, and not what they say publicly.
Dreger is reporting NY also gives up a 2nd round in 2015. If that's true, Sather better check to see if he still has his briefs on.
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Post by Douper on Mar 1, 2015 17:04:57 GMT -5
I can hear the crickets starting for TSN's Tradecentre tomorrow!
As if it wasn't going to be 10 hours of Leafs talk before....it's a 100% certainty now!
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