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Post by Skilly on Sept 21, 2016 9:38:26 GMT -5
The Americans Canadiens leave skill off their roster & go with a grinding coach. Seems like yesterday's strategy. hmmmmmm |
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Post by blny on Sept 21, 2016 9:43:32 GMT -5
The Americans Canadiens leave skill off their roster & go with a grinding coach. Seems like yesterday's strategy. hmmmmmm Thought the same thing. "Hey Michel?" "Yes Marc?" "We're going to build a team in the fashion of 95-2005 to fit your coaching ideology!" "Excellent! I can work with that." |
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Post by jkr on Sept 21, 2016 9:48:42 GMT -5
Thought the same thing. "Hey Michel?" "Yes Marc?" "We're going to build a team in the fashion of 95-2005 to fit your coaching ideology!" "Excellent! I can work with that." LOL. I knew it wouldn't take you guys long.  |
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Post by franko on Sept 21, 2016 9:51:46 GMT -5
Thought the same thing. "Hey Michel?" "Yes Marc?" "We're going to build a team in the fashion of 95-2005 to fit your coaching ideology!" "Excellent! I can work with that." there's an ideology? there's coaching? |
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Post by franko on Sept 21, 2016 9:54:05 GMT -5
Is this a Therrien thread yet?  nope, a PK thread. is the MT thread |
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Post by Willie Dog on Sept 21, 2016 11:51:29 GMT -5
It was PK's fault, clearly. lol... Another PK thread? lol |
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Post by seventeen on Sept 21, 2016 13:14:46 GMT -5
The Americans leave skill off their roster & go with a grinding coach ... ... and how did that work out for them ... Cheers. The stories I've been reading are saying that the US was so disappointed with their showing at Sochi that they felt they had to take a different approach, ergo the gritty style. Torts was deemed the best coach to play that style, ergo a tough-minded, no excuses type behind the bench. Some coaches think that if you challenge a player it will make them raise their game. With some players, yes. With others, they withdraw even further. YOu can't use the same style with every player. I think Max is not the former type and more the latter. And anyway, I didn't think he played that badly, either. It took little time before Torts pushed him down to the 3rd and 4th lines and we know how that worked out in Montreal when Max was first called up. Comedy of errors, starting with the wrong strategy when speed and skill is so critical. Tyler Johnson, Phil Kessel (who may not have been able to play anyway because of the surgery, but should have been chosen initially), Justin Faulk, Kevin Shattenkirk...all guys who are better than players picked for the team. But they're not gritty, boo hoo. PS, I don't get it about Johnson. I've never seen him fail to go to tough areas. He's a damned good player and they ignored him? |
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Post by blny on Sept 21, 2016 14:47:00 GMT -5
It was PK's fault, clearly. lol... Another PK thread? lol LOL nah. Just couldn't resist. |
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Post by blny on Sept 21, 2016 17:53:43 GMT -5
NA kids, playing their version of fire wagon hockey beat the Swedes in OT. Here's Nathan MacKinnon's winner.
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Post by CentreHice on Sept 21, 2016 20:33:01 GMT -5
The toe drag around the poke-sweep check is sweet. Then the backhand roof. Like cooking the perfect steak....
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Sept 21, 2016 22:44:50 GMT -5
NA kids, playing their version of fire wagon hockey beat the Swedes in OT. Here's Nathan MacKinnon's winner. MT said, "instead of a toe drag, he should have cleared it up the ice off the glass ". |
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Post by seventeen on Sept 21, 2016 22:49:35 GMT -5
It's a much safer play, for sure.
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Post by blny on Sept 22, 2016 6:14:37 GMT -5
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Sept 22, 2016 11:35:41 GMT -5
NA kids, playing their version of fire wagon hockey beat the Swedes in OT. Here's Nathan MacKinnon's winner. MT said, "instead of a toe drag, he should have cleared it up the ice off the glass ". Odd that John Tortorella won a Cup with Tampa Bay, but his career gradually deteriorated after that ... he gets the nod to coach the team "built-to-take-out-Canada" and the US is out of the tournament ... the drama of not adding arguably the best talent available was the first controversy ... adjusting the team's lineup to literally knock Canada out of the tournament didn't work out ... it's almost like never had a chance from the beginning ... Cheers. |
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Post by CentreHice on Sept 23, 2016 0:36:38 GMT -5
Bragging rghts only, I suppose..(and more fodder for Kessel and Ryan)...Czechs beat the U.S.
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Post by Willie Dog on Sept 23, 2016 12:07:50 GMT -5
NA kids, playing their version of fire wagon hockey beat the Swedes in OT. Here's Nathan MacKinnon's winner. MT said, "instead of a toe drag, he should have cleared it up the ice off the glass ". lmao... You win the Internet today |
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Post by Willie Dog on Sept 23, 2016 12:08:56 GMT -5
Bragging rghts only, I suppose..(and more fodder for Kessel and Ryan)...Czechs beat the U.S. Could they not have taken Galchy or could he only be chosen by TNA. |
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Post by blny on Sept 23, 2016 12:13:31 GMT -5
Bragging rghts only, I suppose..(and more fodder for Kessel and Ryan)...Czechs beat the U.S. Could they not have taken Galchy or could he only be chosen by TNA. Good question WD. I'm not sure if he'd have been restricted to the TNA team. Either way, it was a pretty big slight he wasn't on one of the two teams. If this farce isn't in Toronto, doesn't anyone really think Matthews would be there? |
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Post by seventeen on Sept 23, 2016 13:01:05 GMT -5
He should have been on NTA. I don't think he qualified for the US team because of his age. He wouldn't have been taken anyway...too much skill.
I thought before the tourney, Chuck was ahead of RNH, Drouin and Matthews. In hindsight, Matthews proved himself, RNH was ok, but not any better IMO than Chucky would have been and Drouin definitely played himself off the team. I especially didn't understand Drouin. Ten points in 21 games with Tampa and 13 points in 17 games with Syracuse (!). Not exactly sterling numbers. Maybe they felt he had better character than Chuck.....oh, wait. Didn't he......
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Post by blny on Sept 23, 2016 13:07:42 GMT -5
He should have been on NTA. I don't think he qualified for the US team because of his age. He wouldn't have been taken anyway...too much skill. I thought before the tourney, Chuck was ahead of RNH, Drouin and Matthews. In hindsight, Matthews proved himself, RNH was ok, but not any better IMO than Chucky would have been and Drouin definitely played himself off the team. I especially didn't understand Drouin. Ten points in 21 games with Tampa and 13 points in 17 games with Syracuse (!). Not exactly sterling numbers. Maybe they felt he had better character than Chuck.....oh, wait. Didn't he...... I think the notion was to pair him with MacKinnon to see if they could recapture the success they had together. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Sept 23, 2016 13:12:13 GMT -5
He should have been on NTA. I don't think he qualified for the US team because of his age. He wouldn't have been taken anyway...too much skill. I thought before the tourney, Chuck was ahead of RNH, Drouin and Matthews. In hindsight, Matthews proved himself, RNH was ok, but not any better IMO than Chucky would have been and Drouin definitely played himself off the team. I especially didn't understand Drouin. Ten points in 21 games with Tampa and 13 points in 17 games with Syracuse (!). Not exactly sterling numbers. Maybe they felt he had better character than Chuck.....oh, wait. Didn't he...... imo... It has nothing to do with skill or ability but has everything to do with having cheerleaders promoting you but I guess the foxholers don't believe in that because they are old school. |
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Post by seventeen on Sept 23, 2016 13:27:07 GMT -5
True. I also think that theory of picking B because he played with A and they worked well together is flawed. Good players can play with anyone. Bouwmeester isn't playing with Pietrangelo at the WC. Perry's not playing with Getzlaff. The reason Drouin and Mackinnon were so good together is because they were better than everyone else in juniour. Duh.
An interesting example I can think of is picking Kunitz on the Olympic team because of his success with Crosby. Recall the constant refrain, "It's hard finding the right guy to play with Crosby". The problem wasn't (again IMO) that they couldn't find the right guy, it was because Crosby just wasn't playing well. He's playing well this tournament and both Bergeron and Marchand are working out just fine with him. But yeah, coach's just can't come out and say what they really think...they have to play the nice guy, politically correct routine. "We just can't seem to find the right guys to play with Sidney". Snort.
That's why (digressing a little here), I love comments like Kessel's from two days ago. The US is going out of their way to rationalize why they did so poorly. The simple answer is that they just weren't good enough and they weren't good enough because they picked the wrong guys by using flawed logic. Kessel intimated that in a subtle manner and suddenly he's the bad guy. It never ends, does it? You don't like the message...shoot the messenger.
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Post by seventeen on Sept 23, 2016 13:38:48 GMT -5
It has nothing to do with skill or ability but has everything to do with having cheerleaders promoting you but I guess the foxholers don't believe in that because they are old school. Can't help commenting on the 'old school' part of this statement. You may have heard the phrase, "This time it's different" in investment discussions. Or not....take my word for it . When the market took off in the late 1990's on the tech explosion, that phrase was common. Companies weren't making any money but their stock price was going up exponentially. Profit didn't matter. "This time it's different". Well, it wasn't. Old school seems to suggest a dinosaur way of thinking when sometimes it's just a law of nature that we tend to forget. "Old School" isn't always bad. Now there are times when "old school" is definitely bad. When some new discovery comes along, some people are Luddites and refuse to accept it. The Machine Gun gets invented, but the English persist in attacking them with a cavalry charge. That kind of "Old school" thinking is dangerous and doomed to failure. Dean Lombardi has made it pretty clear that he looked back on the US' success in 1996 and determined that it was grit and character that won for them, so they were going back to a successful formula and that was it. But in the meantime, the machine gun had been invented, and grit and character alone weren't going to cut it. That's a worrisome lesson for me regarding the Habs. Has Bergevin got the mix right? We'll have to see if this "old school" thinking is of the law of nature variety or the extinct variety. |
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Post by habsorbed on Sept 24, 2016 12:59:54 GMT -5
True. I also think that theory of picking B because he played with A and they worked well together is flawed. Good players can play with anyone. Bouwmeester isn't playing with Pietrangelo at the WC. Perry's not playing with Getzlaff. The reason Drouin and Mackinnon were so good together is because they were better than everyone else in juniour. Duh. An interesting example I can think of is picking Kunitz on the Olympic team because of his success with Crosby. Recall the constant refrain, "It's hard finding the right guy to play with Crosby". The problem wasn't (again IMO) that they couldn't find the right guy, it was because Crosby just wasn't playing well. He's playing well this tournament and both Bergeron and Marchand are working out just fine with him. But yeah, coach's just can't come out and say what they really think...they have to play the nice guy, politically correct routine. "We just can't seem to find the right guys to play with Sidney". Snort. That's why (digressing a little here), I love comments like Kessel's from two days ago. The US is going out of their way to rationalize why they did so poorly. The simple answer is that they just weren't good enough and they weren't good enough because they picked the wrong guys by using flawed logic. Kessel intimated that in a subtle manner and suddenly he's the bad guy. It never ends, does it? You don't like the message...shoot the messenger. thought Kessel's tweet was clever way of saying you shouldn't have left me off the team. Really don't see what's wrong with that. It's his opinion and he would seem to be correct. He gets criticized. the next day when Lombardi is explaining his selections he says "We wanted guys that cared". To me that is far more egregious than what Kessel said. It is a slap in the face to Kessel and questions the character of all the players left off the team. Yet no one criticizes Lombardi for a most inappropriate statement. |
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Post by GNick99 on Sept 24, 2016 13:35:02 GMT -5
Kind of nervous about tonight...in 1 game anything can happen and Russians have a lot of fire power. Overall, its been great tourny though. Highest caliber of hockey in many years. I think this is better than Olympics because players on u23 or Euro teams likely wouldn't be here or playing on weak teams. I thought the u23 squad was very exciting.
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Post by seventeen on Sept 24, 2016 13:36:35 GMT -5
True. I also think that theory of picking B because he played with A and they worked well together is flawed. Good players can play with anyone. Bouwmeester isn't playing with Pietrangelo at the WC. Perry's not playing with Getzlaff. The reason Drouin and Mackinnon were so good together is because they were better than everyone else in juniour. Duh. An interesting example I can think of is picking Kunitz on the Olympic team because of his success with Crosby. Recall the constant refrain, "It's hard finding the right guy to play with Crosby". The problem wasn't (again IMO) that they couldn't find the right guy, it was because Crosby just wasn't playing well. He's playing well this tournament and both Bergeron and Marchand are working out just fine with him. But yeah, coach's just can't come out and say what they really think...they have to play the nice guy, politically correct routine. "We just can't seem to find the right guys to play with Sidney". Snort. That's why (digressing a little here), I love comments like Kessel's from two days ago. The US is going out of their way to rationalize why they did so poorly. The simple answer is that they just weren't good enough and they weren't good enough because they picked the wrong guys by using flawed logic. Kessel intimated that in a subtle manner and suddenly he's the bad guy. It never ends, does it? You don't like the message...shoot the messenger. thought Kessel's tweet was clever way of saying you shouldn't have left me off the team. Really don't see what's wrong with that. It's his opinion and he would seem to be correct. He gets criticized. the next day when Lombardi is explaining his selections he says "We wanted guys that cared". To me that is far more egregious than what Kessel said. It is a slap in the face to Kessel and questions the character of all the players left off the team. Yet no one criticizes Lombardi for a most inappropriate statement. What it really shows is that once an executive gets an idea in their head of what kind of player you are, it is set in stone. Lombardi is obviously wrong. Kessel was front and centre in the Pens run to the Cup last season. Should have won the Conn Smythe. How can you label that kind of leadership as 'not caring'? His results weren't luck. Look at the LA Kings, Lombardi's team. What style do they have? A Sutter style. Big and banging. Not at all Kessel's style. But who's raising the cup at the end of the day? It's not Lombardi. Lombardi got everything he deserved. When you make stupid choices, you deserve the natural consequences that follow. |
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Post by habsorbed on Sept 24, 2016 14:29:37 GMT -5
I too am worried. I always knew the semi was the key as it is one game elimination. We'd take any team in best of 3. But one game and a hot goalie or a rusty Carey (shudder) and all bets are off. Having said that, I just can't see the Ruskie defence including Markov and emelin being any match for our forwards. It'll be all about Bobs.
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Post by jkr on Sept 24, 2016 17:31:20 GMT -5
True. I also think that theory of picking B because he played with A and they worked well together is flawed. Good players can play with anyone. Bouwmeester isn't playing with Pietrangelo at the WC. Perry's not playing with Getzlaff. The reason Drouin and Mackinnon were so good together is because they were better than everyone else in juniour. Duh. An interesting example I can think of is picking Kunitz on the Olympic team because of his success with Crosby. Recall the constant refrain, "It's hard finding the right guy to play with Crosby". The problem wasn't (again IMO) that they couldn't find the right guy, it was because Crosby just wasn't playing well. He's playing well this tournament and both Bergeron and Marchand are working out just fine with him. But yeah, coach's just can't come out and say what they really think...they have to play the nice guy, politically correct routine. "We just can't seem to find the right guys to play with Sidney". Snort. That's why (digressing a little here), I love comments like Kessel's from two days ago. The US is going out of their way to rationalize why they did so poorly. The simple answer is that they just weren't good enough and they weren't good enough because they picked the wrong guys by using flawed logic. Kessel intimated that in a subtle manner and suddenly he's the bad guy. It never ends, does it? You don't like the message...shoot the messenger. thought Kessel's tweet was clever way of saying you shouldn't have left me off the team. Really don't see what's wrong with that. It's his opinion and he would seem to be correct. He gets criticized. the next day when Lombardi is explaining his selections he says "We wanted guys that cared". To me that is far more egregious than what Kessel said. It is a slap in the face to Kessel and questions the character of all the players left off the team. Yet no one criticizes Lombardi for a most inappropriate statement. Didn't Kessel show he cared during the Finals? What a dumb thing to say. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Sept 24, 2016 18:39:42 GMT -5
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Sept 24, 2016 18:40:58 GMT -5
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