Subban

[Disgruntled70sHab]

Dec 6, 2016 21:48:47 GMT -5 Willie Dog said:

PK scored with a cannon of a shot against the Avalanche. Laviolette had PK and Josi on together for that goal.

You mean a "cannonading drive" ...

[Willie Dog]

Dec 8, 2016 7:32:47 GMT -5 Disgruntled70sHab said:

Dec 6, 2016 21:48:47 GMT -5 Willie Dog said:

PK scored with a cannon of a shot against the Avalanche. Laviolette had PK and Josi on together for that goal.

You mean a "cannonading drive" ...

OR was it "scintillating"

[Disgruntled70sHab]

Dec 8, 2016 7:39:55 GMT -5 Willie Dog said:

Dec 8, 2016 7:32:47 GMT -5 Disgruntled70sHab said:

You mean a "cannonading drive" ...

OR was it "scintillating"

Not sure ... let's ask Dick ...

[Willie Dog]

Dec 8, 2016 7:49:32 GMT -5 Disgruntled70sHab said:

Dec 8, 2016 7:39:55 GMT -5 Willie Dog said:

OR was it "scintillating"

Not sure ... let's ask Dick ...

Man, the NHL has not and will never have a duo like those 2 ever again...

[seventeen]

I wonder what Danny would have come up with for Subban's spinorama?

[CentreHice]

Dec 8, 2016 7:49:32 GMT -5 Disgruntled70sHab said:

Not sure ... let's ask Dick ...

Irvin didn't have a lot of catchphrases...but one I recall fondly, used when describing a weird goal for any team....

Well, Danny! It's a classic case of follow-the-bouncing-puck!

He was a real pro...along with Gallivan, his voice and delivery are etched into all those Cups. He's around 84 now...and can still hold an audience with his style.

[Gogie]

UPDATED THROUGH GAMES OF DECEMBER 14

Player	GP	G	A	PTS	PIM	PPG	PPP	+/-	ATOI	HIT	BLK	TK	GV	FF%	PDO
Weber	29	8	10	18	14	7	10	+18	25:47	64	61	4	35	50.5	105.6
Markov	29	2	19	21	12	0	8	+6	21:59	21	28	12	26	53.1	101.5
Subban	27	7	10	17	23	3	7	-9	25:08	25	40	15	32	53.5	96.8
Josi	27	5	12	17	10	2	8	-2	25:01	19	42	7	14	52.0	99.0
Doughty	27	5	10	15	20	1	5	+4	26:51	45	48	2	29	53.2	100.6
Karlsson	29	7	20	27	16	1	9	+2	27:01	27	79	20	45	48.0	101.1
Burns	28	12	13	25	6	3	7	+4	24:11	33	54	17	58	54.8	100.4
Hedman	29	5	14	19	14	2	8	+2	24:50	39	45	16	26	49.2	101.3

                                                       2016-2017 Season

Team	GP	W	L	OTL	PTS	PTS%	GF	GFPG	GA	GAPG	SRS*	PP%	PK%
Montreal	29	19	6	4	42	.724	91	3.14	63	2.17	+0.90	20.21	81.90
Nashville	27	12	11	4	28	.519	78	2.89	76	2.81	-0.26	20.41	81.61
Los Angeles	29	14	11	2	30	.556	70	2.41	68	2.34	+0.06	16.47	81.11
Ottawa	29	16	11	2	34	.586	67	2.31	78	2.69	-0.28	16.30	80.41
San Jose	28	16	11	1	33	.589	68	2.43	61	2.18	+0.35	18.07	81.43
Tampa Bay	29	14	13	2	30	.517	79	2.72	80	2.76	+0.04	22.33	80.61
NY Rangers	30	20	9	1	41	.683	105	3.50	69	2.30	+1.13	22.58	85.90
Chicago	30	18	8	4	40	.667	79	2.63	69	2.30	+0.26	16.67	72.73
Anaheim	29	15	9	5	35	.603	80	2.76	74	2.55	+0.24	23.66	80.81
League Avg	29	14	11	4	32	.563	77	2.66	77	2.66	+0.00	18.24	81.76

                                                      2015-2016 Season

Team	GP	W	L	OTL	PTS	PTS%	GF	GFPG	GA	GAPG	SRS*	PP%	PK%
Montreal	82	38	38	6	82	.500	216	2.63	233	2.84	-0.18	16.22%	81.89%
Nashville	82	41	27	14	96	.585	224	2.73	213	2.60	0.17	19.69%	81.22%
League Avg	82	41	32	9	91	.555	222	2.71	222	2.71	0.00	18.66%	81.34%

*SRS - Simple Rating System: a team rating that takes into account avg goal differential and strength
  of schedule.  Expressed in goals above/below avg.  For reference, Washington's SRS for 2015-2016
  was 0.70 (they led the league with 120 pts).  Dallas (with 109 pts) had an SRS of 0.45.

Legend for Player Stats:
GP - Games Played
G - Goals
A - Assists
PTS - Points
PIM - Penalties in Minutes
PPG - Power Play Goals
PPP - Power Play Points
ATOI - Average Time on Ice
FF% - Fenwick For % at Even Strength
PDO - PDO in All Situations (Shooting % + Save %):  PDO is the sum of a team's 5v5 shooting percentage (the number of goals they score divided by the number of shots on goal they generate) and their 5v5 save percentage (the number of shots their goalies stop divided by the number of shots on goal they allow)
HIT - Hits
BLK - Blocked Shots
TK - Take-aways

[Disgruntled70sHab]

... making a difference ...

[jkr]

Cool hat.

[Willie Dog]

Dec 24, 2016 10:33:16 GMT -5 Disgruntled70sHab said:

... making a difference ...

I don't care if some people think it's self promotion or branding... those kids love what he does for them.

And anyone complaining about this needs to give their head a shake and give thanks PK is doing what he does.

[Forum Ghost]

I love the charity work that PK does for children, but I'm not sure why he always needs a video production crew to accompany him. Yes, the kids love what he does for them, but they would love the gesture even if a camera crew was not present.

So if people are complaining, it's not about the charity work he's doing, but more about the fact that he has to broadcast it to promote his brand.

[Gogie]

UPDATED THROUGH GAMES OF January 10

Player	GP	G	A	PTS	PIM	PPG	PPP	+/-	ATOI	HIT	BLK	TK	GV	FF%	PDO
Weber	41	10	16	26	26	8	14	+16	25:56	83	86	7	45	50.8	103.2
Markov	31	2	19	21	12	0	8	+7	21:49	21	32	14	27	53.4	101.6
Subban	29	7	10	17	25	3	7	-11	25:03	26	43	17	35	53.7	96.1
Josi	41	5	17	22	14	2	9	-5	25:43	29	67	8	24	52.1	97.8
Doughty	41	7	15	22	26	3	9	+4	27:13	66	65	8	44	54.2	99.6
Karlsson	39	7	25	32	16	1	12	+1	27:06	33	103	32	57	48.0	100.6
Burns	41	16	26	42	18	4	18	+17	24:53	45	72	26	89	53.8	102.8
Hedman	42	7	30	37	24	2	18	+1	24:38	51	69	23	37	51.3	100.2

                                                       2016-2017 Season

Team	GP	W	L	OTL	PTS	PTS%	GF	GFPG	GA	GAPG	SRS*	PP%	PK%
Montreal	41	25	10	6	56	.683	124	3.02	96	2.34	+0.71	21.05	79.45
Nashville	41	18	16	7	43	.524	113	2.76	108	2.63	-0.07	18.84	82.68
Los Angeles	41	20	17	4	44	.537	101	2.46	102	2.49	-0.01	17.80	83.59
Ottawa	39	21	14	4	46	.590	96	2.46	101	2.59	-0.03	16.26	83.08
San Jose	41	25	14	2	52	.634	108	2.63	93	2.27	+0.48	16.15	83.33
Tampa Bay	42	19	19	4	42	.500	116	2.76	125	2.98	-0.20	23.53	79.43
Columbus	40	28	8	4	60	.750	133	3.33	89	2.23	+1.14	25.83	82.14
Chicago	44	27	12	5	59	.670	122	2.77	106	2.41	+0.28	19.12	76.27
Pittsburgh	39	26	8	5	57	.731	135	3.46	90	2.31	+0.84	22.63	79.85
League Avg	41	21	15	5	47	.565	113	2.76	113	2.76	+0.00	18.53	81.47

                                                      2015-2016 Season

Team	GP	W	L	OTL	PTS	PTS%	GF	GFPG	GA	GAPG	SRS*	PP%	PK%
Montreal	82	38	38	6	82	.500	216	2.63	233	2.84	-0.18	16.22%	81.89%
Nashville	82	41	27	14	96	.585	224	2.73	213	2.60	0.17	19.69%	81.22%
League Avg	82	41	32	9	91	.555	222	2.71	222	2.71	0.00	18.66%	81.34%

*SRS - Simple Rating System: a team rating that takes into account avg goal differential and strength
  of schedule.  Expressed in goals above/below avg.  For reference, Washington's SRS for 2015-2016
  was 0.70 (they led the league with 120 pts).  Dallas (with 109 pts) had an SRS of 0.45.

Legend for Player Stats:
GP - Games Played
G - Goals
A - Assists
PTS - Points
PIM - Penalties in Minutes
PPG - Power Play Goals
PPP - Power Play Points
ATOI - Average Time on Ice
FF% - Fenwick For % at Even Strength
PDO - PDO in All Situations (Shooting % + Save %):  PDO is the sum of a team's 5v5 shooting percentage (the number of goals they score divided by the number of shots on goal they generate) and their 5v5 save percentage (the number of shots their goalies stop divided by the number of shots on goal they allow)
HIT - Hits
BLK - Blocked Shots
TK - Take-aways

[Tankdriver]

Looking more and more like Burns is going to get the Norris this year.

[Willie Dog]

PK to get a Governor General's Meritorious Service Decoration in the atrium at the Montreal children's hospital on Wednesday... Good for him and more positive advertising for the hospital.

www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/governor-general-honour-subban-childrens-hospital-pledge/

[Disgruntled70sHab]

Governor General of Canada Meritorious Service Cross
Presented to Pernell Karl Subban March 1st, 2017



link

[Willie Dog]

Good article about PK's return to Montreal... very classy statements and took the high road on all things MT and Habs organization.

www.tsn.ca/homecoming-night-in-montreal-1.684551

[Willie Dog]

I found an interesting 1 page site that keeps Weber and Subban comparables

www.webersubban.com/

[Willie Dog]

According to Eric Engels, the team will be doing a tasteful ceremony for PKs return.

[The Habitual Fan]

I'm one of the few that was happy to see Subban go and don't regret the trade for a second. I also don't wish him any ill will tonight, he played hard for the Habs and pretty much single handed beat the Bruins in the playoffs. I don't need him to turn over the puck or take a bad penalty to justify anything, just hope they keep him off the scoreboard and the Canadiens get the 2 points

[jkr]

The above post is what separates this board from many others. We can have disagreements about a major issue but still take the high road.

Good job THF.

[seventeen]

Mar 2, 2017 11:15:46 GMT -5 Willie Dog said:

According to Eric Engels, the team will be doing a tasteful ceremony for PKs return.

Damn. I hate that. Why can't they do those at 7:15 Eastern?

[Willie Dog]

Mar 2, 2017 16:49:22 GMT -5 jkr said:

The above post is what separates this board from many others. We can have disagreements about a major issue but still take the high road.

Good job THF.

I agree..

[Willie Dog]

Im in the 400s and the 300s and 400s fill up faster than the 100s... I guess the poor folk want to get their money's worth 😁

[Willie Dog]

Pk just gave a couple of kids some sticks at the end of the warm up.

[Willie Dog]

Very nice classy tribute we've come to expect from the Habs...

[GNick99]

Mar 2, 2017 15:59:50 GMT -5 The Habitual Fan said:

I'm one of the few that was happy to see Subban go and don't regret the trade for a second. I also don't wish him any ill will tonight, he played hard for the Habs and pretty much single handed beat the Bruins in the playoffs. I don't need him to turn over the puck or take a bad penalty to justify anything, just hope they keep him off the scoreboard and the Canadiens get the 2 points

I think Subban is reason he is no longer here. He was master of his own destiny. Had he played well last year he would still be a Hab. Fact is he had a bad season, a terrible contract, on the eve of a no-trade clause kicking in and Habs coming off their biggest collapse in 100+ years of history. Canadiens had to make a decision.

Habs never wanted to give Subban that contract to start with. They were forced into it. The night Subban got the contract I thought to myself there is about a 75% he will be gone within two years. Just how can you pay him and Price and Pacioretty when they come up for renewal? Price would have to be paid north of 9m, and Pacioretty at least 9. If Subban had played like he did when he won the Norris, then yes can afford to keep him. Because getting a star player. But the Subban of 2015-16 was a country mile from being a star player!......................................

[CentreHice]

Mar 3, 2017 4:27:45 GMT -5 GNick99 said:

I think Subban is reason he is no longer here. He was master of his own destiny. Had he played well last year he would still be a Hab. Fact is he had a bad season, a terrible contract, on the eve of a no-trade clause kicking in and Habs coming off their biggest collapse in 100+ years of history. Canadiens had to make a decision.

Habs never wanted to give Subban that contract to start with. They were forced into it. The night Subban got the contract I thought to myself there is about a 75% he will be gone within two years. Just how can you pay him and Price and Pacioretty when they come up for renewal? Price would have to be paid north of 9m, and Pacioretty at least 9. If Subban had played like he did when he won the Norris, then yes can afford to keep him. Because getting a star player. But the Subban of 2015-16 was a country mile from being a star player!......................................

And yet, he was our leading scorer when he went down late in the season with the neck injury.

I'd venture to suggest there were others some distance away from their best performances....including the coach and GM.

IMO, Subban was one of the very few last year who maintained a solid effort through it all.

In other words, I still don't think on-ice performance had anything to do with it. The numbers don't bear it out. Maybe somebody with the numbers can verify.

[jkr]

Mar 3, 2017 8:27:09 GMT -5 CentreHice said:

Mar 3, 2017 4:27:45 GMT -5 GNick99 said:

I think Subban is reason he is no longer here. He was master of his own destiny. Had he played well last year he would still be a Hab. Fact is he had a bad season, a terrible contract, on the eve of a no-trade clause kicking in and Habs coming off their biggest collapse in 100+ years of history. Canadiens had to make a decision.

Habs never wanted to give Subban that contract to start with. They were forced into it. The night Subban got the contract I thought to myself there is about a 75% he will be gone within two years. Just how can you pay him and Price and Pacioretty when they come up for renewal? Price would have to be paid north of 9m, and Pacioretty at least 9. If Subban had played like he did when he won the Norris, then yes can afford to keep him. Because getting a star player. But the Subban of 2015-16 was a country mile from being a star player!......................................

Could be....and yet, he was our leading scorer when he went down late in the season with the neck injury.

I'd venture to suggest there were others some distance away from their best performances....including the coach and GM.

IMO, Subban was one of the very few last year who didn't mail it in.


In other words, I still don't think on-ice performance had anything to do with it. The numbers don't bear it out. Maybe somebody with the numbers can verify.

Agreed.

He was leading the team in scoring when he was injured. He was playing about 25 minutes / night of top pairing assignments all season and he was a plus player on a bad team. That doesn't even get into the advanced stats. Other posters that understand them better may have to help me here. But saying he had a bad season just doesn't make sense.

Yes his contract is high but that contract is a result of the bridge deal that Bergevin wanted him to sign. MB has to share the blame with that matter.

[CentreHice]

My brother told me yesterday that Kypreos claimed Berg wanted Josi for Subban, but Poile wouldn't budge from Weber. If true, so much for the MB/MT explanation re: "We weren't looking to move PK, but when Shea Weber's name comes up, you have to listen."

And it looks more like pure asset management on Poile's part.

[blny]

To say PK played poorly last year is to take the mistake in the Colorado game, put it in a bubble and call it the season. It's a narrative that's a complete work of fiction.

His relationship with the coach, and perhaps more important the relationship between GM and coach, is what got him moved. IMO, the 24ch video that shows Therrien laying into him in the video room, PK trying to ask questions to learn and only being rudely dismissed from the room sums up their relationship and Therrien as a coach. No fiction there.