Subban

[CentreHice]

There will no doubt be members of our board keeping tabs on P.K. this year (at the very least).

Please try and keep it all here.

Thanks!

[Willie Dog]

Will do... I haven't watched a game yet... will be weird watching a game knowing 76 is no longer going to be on the ice.

[franko]

thanks, CH. I have stopped replying in many threads because they seemed to turn into PK-fests. I understand it, but hopefully now that the season has near-begun the Habs discussion will revolve around Habs.

and I will do my best -- really -- not to turn all threads into anti-MT-fests. really. I'll try. I'll try hard . . .

[seventeen]

I won't try hard. I'll be on that guy's butt for every poor decision. I have no respect for him and he has nothing on me so I can be blunt. I'll be fair because I need to be but I'll also be vigilant. Sure hope Muller takes over before too long.

[blny]

Oct 4, 2016 0:25:43 GMT -5 seventeen said:

I won't try hard. I'll be on that guy's butt for every poor decision. I have no respect for him and he has nothing on me so I can be blunt. I'll be fair because I need to be but I'll also be vigilant. Sure hope Muller takes over before too long.

I wonder, if the media establishment wasn't so concerned with maintaining working relationships around the league, what they might actually say about the trade. In all but a very few cases these days, the likes of McKenzie are non-committal about everything. It would seem that a fear to offend, a fear to take a side, so as not to lose a relationship or source has replaced old fashioned journalism and reporting. Red Fisher wouldn't have held back, because he knew he wasn't a member of the club. These guys appear to take the 'insider' role way to literally.

[frozone]

Oct 4, 2016 5:46:21 GMT -5 blny said:

Oct 4, 2016 0:25:43 GMT -5 seventeen said:

I won't try hard. I'll be on that guy's butt for every poor decision. I have no respect for him and he has nothing on me so I can be blunt. I'll be fair because I need to be but I'll also be vigilant. Sure hope Muller takes over before too long.

I wonder, if the media establishment wasn't so concerned with maintaining working relationships around the league, what they might actually say about the trade. In all but a very few cases these days, the likes of McKenzie are non-committal about everything. It would seem that a fear to offend, a fear to take a side, so as not to lose a relationship or source has replaced old fashioned journalism and reporting. Red Fisher wouldn't have held back, because he knew he wasn't a member of the club. These guys appear to take the 'insider' role way to literally.

I'm not so sure I agree on that. I like how McKenzie et al come across as very unbiased. You never get their opinion, you get the facts. They might show you a glimpse of their opinion, but it will be camouflaged within a fact. Something along the lines of "9 out of 10 GM's that I spoke to think the trade was awful".

Sometimes I want McKenzie (or Friedman or whoever) to tell us a little more about what he really thinks, but he never really shows his cards. He's a real pro imo. So when I'm in the mood for a scathing, opinionated rant, I read Jack Todd.

[blny]

Oct 4, 2016 7:16:13 GMT -5 frozone said:

Oct 4, 2016 5:46:21 GMT -5 blny said:

I wonder, if the media establishment wasn't so concerned with maintaining working relationships around the league, what they might actually say about the trade. In all but a very few cases these days, the likes of McKenzie are non-committal about everything. It would seem that a fear to offend, a fear to take a side, so as not to lose a relationship or source has replaced old fashioned journalism and reporting. Red Fisher wouldn't have held back, because he knew he wasn't a member of the club. These guys appear to take the 'insider' role way to literally.

I'm not so sure I agree on that. I like how McKenzie et al come across as very unbiased. You never get their opinion, you get the facts. They might show you a glimpse of their opinion, but it will be camouflaged within a fact. Something along the lines of "9 out of 10 GM's that I spoke to think the trade was awful".

Sometimes I want McKenzie (or Friedman or whoever) to tell us a little more about what he really thinks, but he never really shows his cards. He's a real pro imo. So when I'm in the mood for a scathing, opinionated rant, I read Jack Todd.

That's when they stop being reporters and become merely promoters. In many cases, they may as well be employees of the league. I just get the feeling they're first names bases with way too many people that they shouldn't be; friends with people they should be reporting on.

[jkr]

Oct 4, 2016 5:46:21 GMT -5 blny said:

Oct 4, 2016 0:25:43 GMT -5 seventeen said:

I won't try hard. I'll be on that guy's butt for every poor decision. I have no respect for him and he has nothing on me so I can be blunt. I'll be fair because I need to be but I'll also be vigilant. Sure hope Muller takes over before too long.

I wonder, if the media establishment wasn't so concerned with maintaining working relationships around the league, what they might actually say about the trade. In all but a very few cases these days, the likes of McKenzie are non-committal about everything. It would seem that a fear to offend, a fear to take a side, so as not to lose a relationship or source has replaced old fashioned journalism and reporting. Red Fisher wouldn't have held back, because he knew he wasn't a member of the club. These guys appear to take the 'insider' role way to literally.

I was always surprised that Fisher never offered an opinion. He's never shied away before.

[CentreHice]

Ha! Boston Pizza has hired Subban for a French language TV spot. At the end, he gives the delivery guy a SUBBAN Nashville jersey.

Even though he's gone, he's still selling in Montreal...using Predators' colours.

Nuts.

[seventeen]

Bergevin's going to have to hire Ghostbusters.

[CentreHice]

More like "The Exorcist"...

[Willie Dog]

Oct 4, 2016 19:29:33 GMT -5 CentreHice said:

Ha! Boston Pizza has hired Subban for a French language TV spot. At the end, he gives the delivery guy a SUBBAN Nashville jersey.

Even though he's gone, he's still selling in Montreal...using Predators' colours.

Nuts.

[Gogie]

Oct 6, 2016 11:32:31 GMT -5 Willie Dog said:

Oct 4, 2016 19:29:33 GMT -5 CentreHice said:

Ha! Boston Pizza has hired Subban for a French language TV spot. At the end, he gives the delivery guy a SUBBAN Nashville jersey.

Even though he's gone, he's still selling in Montreal...using Predators' colours.

Nuts.

Boston Pizza sucks - just ask my wife. She won't eat there (and consequently neither will I). Now that some guy from the Predators is flogging their product that's even more reason for me to shun the place.

[Willie Dog]

Oct 6, 2016 14:27:56 GMT -5 Gogie said:

Oct 6, 2016 11:32:31 GMT -5 Willie Dog said:

Boston Pizza sucks - just ask my wife. She won't eat there (and consequently neither will I). Now that some guy from the Predators is flogging their product that's even more reason for me to shun the place.

Lol... I've been to bad ones and I've been to good ones... It depends on the franchisee... like almost any franchise

[jkr]

Didn't we have a thread a while ago that discussed restaurants. Maybe we should revive it.

[seventeen]

Finally, from one of the people involved, an honest comment on THE trade:

[blny]

Oct 6, 2016 17:48:38 GMT -5 seventeen said:

Finally, from one of the people involved, an honest comment on THE trade:

Yep. That quote was from his first week in Nashville. TSN tried to pass it off as a quote from today and that it was poor form to make a comment like that on the day Weber plays his first game.

[seventeen]

Just read that elsewhere. Thanks blny. My bad. Old news.

[blny]

Oct 6, 2016 23:42:32 GMT -5 seventeen said:

Just read that elsewhere. Thanks blny. My bad. Old news.

No at all. I didn't bother to grab the tweet. It's hear for context. I tweeted my distaste to Gord Miller and Noodles last night. I doubt they give it a seconds thought, but hopefully the mindless masses that follow them catch it. Just another case of someone passing off something as fact to spin their story, disparage someone, and feed the drones.

[Willie Dog]

PK making a big impression in Music City

Big Impression

NASHVILLE, Tenn. - P.K. Subban already has belted out "Folsom Prison Blues" at Tootsie's, a famous tonk. He visited the local children's hospital before training camp opened. Then he scored a goal in each of his first two preseason games with his new team.

In Nashville, that's called knowing how to make an entrance.

Subban's passion may not have gone over well with coaches and management with the Montreal Canadiens. His new teammates with the Nashville Predators see the defenceman as a perfect fit in Music City — a town built on entertainment and filled with fans who want a great show from a franchise now expected to go further than ever before in chasing the Stanley Cup.

"Fans are going to love him, there's no question," Predators captain Mike Fisher said. "And our fans are very passionate. They're loyal. They're forgiving, too, even through the ups and downs. ... It's not going to be long before he's a lot of people's favourite player."

Montreal and Nashville stunned the NHL on June 29 when the teams swapped star defencemen straight up, sending Predators captain Shea Weber north for the 2013 Norris Trophy winner. Talk surfaced of personality conflicts with the organization and inside the Canadiens' locker room, and Subban tried to make it clear he loved Montreal, both the atmosphere and media in a town that loves its storied hockey team.


"At the end of the day, there's a lot of people who have microphones and pens and paper and I can't challenge every person that has made an opinion of me based on 'facts,'" Subban said. "So for me, I'd rather just let my play do the talking, and I look forward to being a big part of this team moving forward. ... I've always been one to let my actions do my talking for me."

Subban is busy making friends in his new locker room and learning his way around Nashville, a switch for a guy used to being the one who welcomes new players.

"It's an exciting time for me at 27 years old with no family or any children or anything like that," Subban said. "It's like you get a bunch of new brothers right? So it's fun."

The Predators prefer to make their own minds up about Subban rather than listen to rumours. Fisher said it's easy to hear a lot of things about players, and he believes Subban will fit in nicely.

"Everyone knows he's an outgoing guy that brings passion to the game and sometimes the game of hockey that's a little bit laid back it's something new, but I think it's a good thing," Fisher said.

Forward James Neal has had dinner with Subban and sees someone both passionate about hockey and his fans. Subban's comfort handling both the media and social media has been quickly noticed.

"He's going to be good for our team," Neal said.

Goaltender Pekka Rinne was shocked by the trade sending his close friend Weber to Montreal.

"But all of a sudden you realize you're going to get P.K., all the potential and all the talent he brings," Rinne said. "He's going to bring a lot of different elements to our team and also the attention on him. He's very electric and a very exciting player to watch on the ice and off the ice. He's going to bring a different element to our team. It's good for the city of Nashville, the organization."

Nashville fans got a great look at Subban during the NHL All-Star weekend in January. Subban slipped on a wig to imitate Jaromir Jagr for lots of laughs during the breakaway challenge and ended up winning the event decided by Twitter .

This franchise went seven games in back-to-back series last spring in the post-season, and general manager David Poile saw Subban as the perfect combination of skating and speed for coach Peter Laviolette's attacking offence. The trade was criticized in Montreal with the Predators getting the younger player. Poile thinks that speaks more to just how popular Subban was throughout Quebec.

"We've seen in the short time P.K.'s been here ... he makes a lot of touches and he gets a lot of publicity," Poile said. "People gravitate to him because he's a hockey player, yes, but he has more going on his life and he has some really good purposes in his life."

The Predators sold out a franchise-record 35 games last season, though the need to sell tickets never fades. Subban is more than happy to help sell the sport of hockey in his new winter home.

"At the end of the day, it's sports entertainment, and we have to perform to keep fans in the seats and what they pay helps put food on our tables," Subban said. "The more people we can engage and bring into the game, the better our game is going to be."

A perfect fit indeed.

[blny]

www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/mckenzie-on-reasons-behind-subban-trade%7E968038

[jkr]

Oct 7, 2016 13:30:44 GMT -5 blny said:

www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/mckenzie-on-reasons-behind-subban-trade%7E968038

Can't listen - I'm at work.

But again, they caption makes it sound like he just said it yesterday.

[blny]

Oct 7, 2016 13:35:45 GMT -5 jkr said:

Oct 7, 2016 13:30:44 GMT -5 blny said:

www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/mckenzie-on-reasons-behind-subban-trade%7E968038

Can't listen - I'm at work.

But again, they caption makes it sound like he just said it yesterday.

They discuss the quote mentioned in the game last night, but McKenzie clearly states that it's part of a larger conversation that took place over a few days during PK's first week in Nashville.

Two points regarding the link:

1. People still discredit his defensive abilities. He's no more a gambler than Doughty or Burns or Karlsson. None of them are as routinely questioned at Subban.

2. This conversation with McKenzie took place during LEAFS LUNCH!

[seventeen]

He has the reputation of a riverboat gambler so he always will be no matter how good his defensive numbers are. Some people will only see him falling down with a goal ensuing. Like Joni Mitchell says "you don't know what you got till its gone".

[blny]

Oct 7, 2016 15:54:47 GMT -5 seventeen said:

He has the reputation of a riverboat gambler so he always will be no matter how good his defensive numbers are. Some people will only see him falling down with a goal ensuing. Like Joni Mitchell says "you don't know what you got till its gone".

Or see what sells easiest.

[Deleted]

Oct 6, 2016 20:41:46 GMT -5 blny said:

Oct 6, 2016 17:48:38 GMT -5 seventeen said:

Finally, from one of the people involved, an honest comment on THE trade:

Yep. That quote was from his first week in Nashville. TSN tried to pass it off as a quote from today and that it was poor form to make a comment like that on the day Weber plays his first game.

Bob McKenzie actually acknowledged on the radio that it was from his first week in Nashville. Too bad the broadcast from the game the other night wasn't as aware of it.

[franko]

Oct 8, 2016 12:50:09 GMT -5 @mattdhf said:

Oct 6, 2016 20:41:46 GMT -5 blny said:

Yep. That quote was from his first week in Nashville. TSN tried to pass it off as a quote from today and that it was poor form to make a comment like that on the day Weber plays his first game.

Bob McKenzie actually acknowledged on the radio that it was from his first week in Nashville. Too bad the broadcast from the game the other night wasn't as aware of it.

or at least acknowledged it.

makes for more interesting talk radio if you only give half the story

[seventeen]

Tampa over Nashville 5-3 today. Tampa had a pretty good lineup, Nashville missing most of their good forwards. PK with an assist and + 2. It's preseason.

[Disgruntled70sHab]

Son of a gun ...


Montreal Canadiens fan takes out full
page ad to express 'anger' over Subban trade

'You are an amazing and influential role model for my children,' letter writer tells star defenceman

CBC News Posted: Oct 13, 2016 8:17 AM ET| Last Updated: Oct 13, 2016 11:44 AM ET

A Habs fan took out a full-page ad in Thursdays Montreal Gazette (CBC)

A disgruntled Montreal Canadiens season ticket holder says they will only be attending one game this season — when the Habs take on P.K. Subban's new team.

In a full page newspaper ad, which costs roughly $20,000, the self-described "lifelong fan" said the trade that sent Subban to the Nashville Predators for Shea Weber this summer has changed the way they feel about the team.

"Now, I feel anger, disappointment and embarrassment over the treatment of P.K. Subban by team management: the same sentiments that many felt after the Patrick Roy trade," reads the anonymous ad posted in Thursday's Montreal Gazette, signed by "Dr. CK and Family."

"You are an amazing and influential role model for my children and I am going to miss not having you as a Montreal Canadien."


The ad is a signal that, despite an optimism surrounding the Canadiens as they prepare to start the season tonight in Buffalo, some fans still haven't gotten over the decision to ship out the popular defenceman, who committed to raising $10 million for the Montreal Children's Hospital.

Because of the trade, the letter writer said they cannot support general manager Marc Bergevin and coach Michel Therrien, and that going to Habs games would be a vote of confidence in their leadership.

There's no mention of what will happen to the unused tickets.

Donald Beauchamp, a spokesperson for the team, told CBC News that "we have very passionate fans, and everyone is entitled to their opinion."

link

[Willie Dog]

Oct 13, 2016 13:25:13 GMT -5 Disgruntled70sHab said:

Son of a gun ...


Montreal Canadiens fan takes out full
page ad to express 'anger' over Subban trade

'You are an amazing and influential role model for my children,' letter writer tells star defenceman

CBC News Posted: Oct 13, 2016 8:17 AM ET| Last Updated: Oct 13, 2016 11:44 AM ET

A Habs fan took out a full-page ad in Thursdays Montreal Gazette (CBC)

A disgruntled Montreal Canadiens season ticket holder says they will only be attending one game this season — when the Habs take on P.K. Subban's new team.

In a full page newspaper ad, which costs roughly $20,000, the self-described "lifelong fan" said the trade that sent Subban to the Nashville Predators for Shea Weber this summer has changed the way they feel about the team.

"Now, I feel anger, disappointment and embarrassment over the treatment of P.K. Subban by team management: the same sentiments that many felt after the Patrick Roy trade," reads the anonymous ad posted in Thursday's Montreal Gazette, signed by "Dr. CK and Family."

"You are an amazing and influential role model for my children and I am going to miss not having you as a Montreal Canadien."


The ad is a signal that, despite an optimism surrounding the Canadiens as they prepare to start the season tonight in Buffalo, some fans still haven't gotten over the decision to ship out the popular defenceman, who committed to raising $10 million for the Montreal Children's Hospital.

Because of the trade, the letter writer said they cannot support general manager Marc Bergevin and coach Michel Therrien, and that going to Habs games would be a vote of confidence in their leadership.

There's no mention of what will happen to the unused tickets.

Donald Beauchamp, a spokesperson for the team, told CBC News that "we have very passionate fans, and everyone is entitled to their opinion."

link

Well... I'll be dipped in buttermilk.....20k for an ad and has seasons tickets... someone with money is pissed and taking it out on the team...

The article in the Ottawa Citizen goes on to say

The fan adds, cryptically, that “an initiative” will be announced in the coming days that will ask for the help of Habs fans.

Subban was drafted by the Canadiens in 2007 and played his first game with the team in 2010. He won the Norris Trophy as the NHL’s best defenceman in 2013 when he tied with Kris Letang as the leading scorer among defencemen in the league. He led the team in assists last season with 45.

Subban’s trade over the summer triggered an emotional reaction from Canadiens fans. Some said they supported the decision, while others called for the heads of the team’s management.

On Thursday, the fan letter, which was signed with the hashtag #mtl4subban also triggered much discussion on social media.