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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 31, 2017 17:38:54 GMT -5
It's about a month away and the sports shows are talking about it now ... IMO, a lot of these deadline deals are more about the players leaving than the ones coming in ... having said that, I suspect if Marc Bergevin wanted to move a roster player he'd have done it a while back ... not sure what he has up his sleeve, but I just don't see him moving anyone out at this point because it might affect the dressing room ... that said, I don't know what teams he's targeting specifically but he might be looking over a few of the bottom-feeder teams ... Matt Duchene is available, or so TSN690 suggests ... when you look at the asking price for Martin Hanzal, it's possible Duchene would command a king's ransom ... maybe a more affordable player might be Mikael Backlund out of Calgary ... he has 2nd-line numbers (I think) and his cap hit isn't too bad ... no way he'll cost the same as Duchene ... if he just wants some depth then maybe Peter Holland (RFA) might do it ... and if it's only depth he's looking for then maybe Jay McClement is available (UFA) ... low cap hit ... sorry guys, I just don't see Bergevin making a big move ... it would probably cost a lot and I don't think he want's to disrupt team chemistry ... just my opinion ... Cheers. |
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Post by blny on Feb 1, 2017 6:59:57 GMT -5
The only pending UFA I can think of that teams are clamoring over is Shattenkirk. Backlund and McClement are reasonable options for some. Backlund might fit with Habs if he can play wing. McClement is very much like Mitchell. One of the better face off guys in league, 4th liner who won't hurt you, and left handed. If he were a rhs, there might be interest from Berg's pov.
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Post by franko on Feb 1, 2017 7:18:40 GMT -5
It's about a month away and the sports shows are talking about it now ... that about sums it up. start early, talk lots, create interest talking points so people listen to your show. especially since (as blny has pointed out) there isn't a "great crop" for pickin'. |
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Post by blny on Feb 1, 2017 7:48:19 GMT -5
Dreger, perhaps merely trying to drum up hits a la Eklund, is saying that Montreal has expressed interest in Duchene. He can't/won't clarify how serious the interest is, or how far discussions got. All he says is that Bergevin is known league-wide to be one of the most active GMs when it comes to talking to his peers, seeing what's on the market, etc.
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Post by blny on Feb 1, 2017 9:01:44 GMT -5
... where things might get most interesting is if the Vegas Knights get involved.
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Post by franko on Feb 1, 2017 9:31:41 GMT -5
Dreger, perhaps merely trying to drum up hits a la Eklund, is saying that Montreal has expressed interest in Duchene. He can't/won't clarify how serious the interest is, or how far discussions got. All he says is that Bergevin is known league-wide to be one of the most active GMs when it comes to talking to his peers, seeing what's on the market, etc. yup blah blah blah. it's almost like he's making up stuff as he goes to sound knowledgeable. "MB as a good GM might be kicking the tires on Duchene, but the asking price may be more than he's willing to pay". duh. Eklund is a good comparable in this. |
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Post by blny on Feb 1, 2017 9:59:43 GMT -5
Dreger, perhaps merely trying to drum up hits a la Eklund, is saying that Montreal has expressed interest in Duchene. He can't/won't clarify how serious the interest is, or how far discussions got. All he says is that Bergevin is known league-wide to be one of the most active GMs when it comes to talking to his peers, seeing what's on the market, etc. yup blah blah blah. it's almost like he's making up stuff as he goes to sound knowledgeable. "MB as a good GM might be kicking the tires on Duchene, but the asking price may be more than he's willing to pay". duh. Eklund is a good comparable in this. To be clear, I have no doubt that Berg has contacted the Avs. How far it got, no one knows. Eklund spews a lot of non-sense, but he's been reported to have links to a few clubs. He just throws names and teams on his site as click bait. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 1, 2017 10:22:13 GMT -5
Dreger, perhaps merely trying to drum up hits a la Eklund, is saying that Montreal has expressed interest in Duchene. He can't/won't clarify how serious the interest is, or how far discussions got. All he says is that Bergevin is known league-wide to be one of the most active GMs when it comes to talking to his peers, seeing what's on the market, etc. yup blah blah blah. it's almost like he's making up stuff as he goes to sound knowledgeable. "MB as a good GM might be kicking the tires on Duchene, but the asking price may be more than he's willing to pay". duh. Eklund is a good comparable in this. I wouldn't compare Darren Dreger to Eklund ... in the past when he or Bob McKenzie say something it's usually because they have a source for it ... at least that's what I know of them from the past few years ... Dreger = Eklund? ... first time I've heard that comparison and I couldn't disagree more ... Cheers. |
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Post by franko on Feb 1, 2017 11:17:48 GMT -5
yup blah blah blah. it's almost like he's making up stuff as he goes to sound knowledgeable. "MB as a good GM might be kicking the tires on Duchene, but the asking price may be more than he's willing to pay". duh. Eklund is a good comparable in this. I wouldn't compare Darren Dreger to Eklund ... in the past when he or Bob McKenzie say something it's usually because they have a source for it ... at least that's what I know of them from the past few years ... Dreger = Eklund? ... first time I've heard that comparison and I couldn't disagree more ... Cheers. not an actual or direct comparison, Dis . . . he is for sure more reputable than Eklund . . . just that if he hadn't said anything we'd be no further ahead or behind . . . the Eklund comparable is in the statement. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 1, 2017 11:45:05 GMT -5
I wouldn't compare Darren Dreger to Eklund ... in the past when he or Bob McKenzie say something it's usually because they have a source for it ... at least that's what I know of them from the past few years ... Dreger = Eklund? ... first time I've heard that comparison and I couldn't disagree more ... Cheers. not an actual or direct comparison, Dis . . . he is for sure more reputable than Eklund . . . just that if he hadn't said anything we'd be no further ahead or behind . . . the Eklund comparable is in the statement. See you Saturday, mate ...  Cheers. |
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Post by blny on Feb 1, 2017 14:34:28 GMT -5
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Post by seventeen on Feb 1, 2017 14:46:23 GMT -5
I hope Peters isn't Armstrong grasping at straws. If so, it's a pretty thin straw.
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Post by blny on Feb 1, 2017 16:09:08 GMT -5
I hope Peters isn't Armstrong grasping at straws. If so, it's a pretty thin straw. I think you mean Nill, as in the effect it's going to have lol. |
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Post by seventeen on Feb 1, 2017 16:16:44 GMT -5
I did indeed mean Nill, but in hindsight...if the shoe fits.... |
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Post by blny on Feb 1, 2017 16:57:26 GMT -5
I did indeed mean Nill, but in hindsight...if the shoe fits.... They both have goalie troubles, that's for certain. |
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Post by blny on Feb 1, 2017 17:01:51 GMT -5
... what about Patrick Sharp as a pure rental? Berg will know him well. Sharp has 12 points in 25 games. 10 of those points are the 13 games the Stars have played since January 1. We might have to send a small salary back to make it work. He's got $2.1 million and change left on his salary. Not sure if that will drop enough.
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Post by blny on Feb 1, 2017 17:52:25 GMT -5
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Post by Skilly on Feb 1, 2017 18:59:42 GMT -5
I think we can offer a decent package to get Duchene, if we are genuinely interested. And by that I mean we don't expect to get him for nothing. The Avs want a young defenseman so lets offer them two ...
Desharnais, Beaulieu, Juulsen and a second rounder.
We'd add 1.5 million in salary, but its manageable. They get two young blue chip defensemen and the ability to shed DDs contract right away.
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Post by blny on Feb 1, 2017 19:04:39 GMT -5
I think we can offer a decent package to get Duchene, if we are genuinely interested. And by that I mean we don't expect to get him for nothing. The Avs want a young defenseman so lets offer them two ... Desharnais, Beaulieu, Juulsen and a second rounder. We'd add 1.5 million in salary, but its manageable. They get two young blue chip defensemen and the ability to shed DDs contract right away. My only concern with that is whether or not it might be better to go with Markov on the third pair the rest of the way. I think the Avs would be focused on Sergachev, but if a deal could be done without him it's hard to pass up. |
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Post by franko on Feb 1, 2017 19:19:20 GMT -5
I think we can offer a decent package to get Duchene, if we are genuinely interested. And by that I mean we don't expect to get him for nothing. The Avs want a young defenseman so lets offer them two ... Desharnais, Beaulieu, Juulsen and a second rounder. We'd add 1.5 million in salary, but its manageable. They get two young blue chip defensemen and the ability to shed DDs contract right away. My only concern with that is whether or not it might be better to go with Markov on the third pair the rest of the way. I think the Avs would be focused on Sergachev, but if a deal could be done without him it's hard to pass up. thought I heard the suggestion of Sergachev, a first, and . . . |
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Post by blny on Feb 1, 2017 20:20:20 GMT -5
My only concern with that is whether or not it might be better to go with Markov on the third pair the rest of the way. I think the Avs would be focused on Sergachev, but if a deal could be done without him it's hard to pass up. thought I heard the suggestion of Sergachev, a first, and . . . That's out there floating. I'm moving more towards the camp that if you want Sergachev the rest of the package diminishes significantly. I wouldn't be willing to part with him AND Beaulieu. With Juulsen, at least you're moving a rhd. We have Weber and Petry, with Pateryn and perhaps Nesterov in the wings. That side is a tougher nut to crack. |
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Post by BadCompany on Feb 2, 2017 10:27:59 GMT -5
Shattenkirk for Fleury? I wonder if something like that would make sense.
That would suck for us, as it gives the Pens another weapon.
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Post by blny on Feb 2, 2017 10:31:41 GMT -5
Shattenkirk for Fleury? I wonder if something like that would make sense. That would suck for us, as it gives the Pens another weapon. I brought it up elsewhere and the Blues fans didn't seem too interested. |
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Post by jkr on Feb 2, 2017 13:21:10 GMT -5
Shattenkirk for Fleury? I wonder if something like that would make sense. That would suck for us, as it gives the Pens another weapon. I brought it up elsewhere and the Blues fans didn't seem too interested. They are really OK with Jake Allen? The guy who needed a mid season "mental break" is preferred over someone with a Cup ring.  |
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Post by blny on Feb 2, 2017 13:43:08 GMT -5
I brought it up elsewhere and the Blues fans didn't seem too interested. They are really OK with Jake Allen? The guy who needed a mid season "mental break" is preferred over someone with a Cup ring. Came down to the fact that Allen's very rich extension comes in next season. They didn't want to be like the Stars and spend more than $10 million on two goalies. |
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Post by GNick99 on Feb 4, 2017 4:55:14 GMT -5
It's about a month away and the sports shows are talking about it now ... IMO, a lot of these deadline deals are more about the players leaving than the ones coming in ... having said that, I suspect if Marc Bergevin wanted to move a roster player he'd have done it a while back ... not sure what he has up his sleeve, but I just don't see him moving anyone out at this point because it might affect the dressing room ... that said, I don't know what teams he's targeting specifically but he might be looking over a few of the bottom-feeder teams ... Matt Duchene is available, or so TSN690 suggests ... when you look at the asking price for Martin Hanzal, it's possible Duchene would command a king's ransom ... maybe a more affordable player might be Mikael Backlund out of Calgary ... he has 2nd-line numbers (I think) and his cap hit isn't too bad ... no way he'll cost the same as Duchene ... if he just wants some depth then maybe Peter Holland (RFA) might do it ... and if it's only depth he's looking for then maybe Jay McClement is available (UFA) ... low cap hit ... sorry guys, I just don't see Bergevin making a big move ... it would probably cost a lot and I don't think he want's to disrupt team chemistry ... just my opinion ... Cheers. You think he won't make a trade because affect dressing room? Bergevin has always made a move at past trade deadlines. What is wrong with another Petry type trade? Give up a 2nd and 3rd for a #3 d-man? Habs have extra draft picks on hand....2 from the Eller trade and another 2nd rounder in the Danault trade. That's without trading their own picks or prospects. Bergs could make a Vanek/Collberg type trade? Give up a prospect and 2nd round pick for a good offensive rental? Why can't Bergs trade a Schebak or McCarron with a pick for a player? I would even trade one of Sergechev or Juulsen for the right top player. Not both of course. THis year is Habs best team since the '93 Cup team. Our Cup window is only going to be open for next 2 years or so. Weber is 31, Price is signed only for another year, Markov is 38 in2 years he will be done. Radulov could walk in the summer. I say this is the time to gamble for it! |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 4, 2017 9:28:09 GMT -5
It's about a month away and the sports shows are talking about it now ... IMO, a lot of these deadline deals are more about the players leaving than the ones coming in ... having said that, I suspect if Marc Bergevin wanted to move a roster player he'd have done it a while back ... not sure what he has up his sleeve, but I just don't see him moving anyone out at this point because it might affect the dressing room ... that said, I don't know what teams he's targeting specifically but he might be looking over a few of the bottom-feeder teams ... Matt Duchene is available, or so TSN690 suggests ... when you look at the asking price for Martin Hanzal, it's possible Duchene would command a king's ransom ... maybe a more affordable player might be Mikael Backlund out of Calgary ... he has 2nd-line numbers (I think) and his cap hit isn't too bad ... no way he'll cost the same as Duchene ... if he just wants some depth then maybe Peter Holland (RFA) might do it ... and if it's only depth he's looking for then maybe Jay McClement is available (UFA) ... low cap hit ... sorry guys, I just don't see Bergevin making a big move ... it would probably cost a lot and I don't think he want's to disrupt team chemistry ... just my opinion ... Cheers. You think he won't make a trade because affect dressing room? Bergevin has always made a move at past trade deadlines. What is wrong with another Petry type trade? Give up a 2nd and 3rd for a #3 d-man? Habs have extra draft picks on hand....2 from the Eller trade and another 2nd rounder in the Danault trade. That's without trading their own picks or prospects. Bergs could make a Vanek/Collberg type trade? Give up a prospect and 2nd round pick for a good offensive rental? Why can't Bergs trade a Schebak or McCarron with a pick for a player? I would even trade one of Sergechev or Juulsen for the right top player. Not both of course. Your point is well-taken, but it only a little to do with what I was talking about ... I was pointing out how moving roster players at this point in the season, is taking a chance ... in each of the scenarios you pointed out no roster players were moved out ... again, I understand what you're saying and I do know Marc Bergevin made those moves, but none of those moves had anything to do with moving roster players out of town at the trade deadline ... I want to see how they do with a completely healthy roster before comparing them to '93 ... however, I thought Berg went 'all-in' when he traded arguably the team's best player in PK Subban ... I'm on record as saying the only way to validate The Trade is to win a Cup this year and that expectation has not changed ... Alex Radulov was probably, nay; the best UFA available and Berg signed him ... I think he'll be back and I think Berg will find the cap space for him ... as for the window, well I'm rather glad we have Berg at this point ... I'll be very surprised if he moves a roster player out (my original point) but at the same time I don't think he's done ... now, if he were Glen Sather, wellll ... Cheers. |
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Post by seventeen on Feb 4, 2017 12:53:58 GMT -5
You think he won't make a trade because affect dressing room? Bergevin has always made a move at past trade deadlines. What is wrong with another Petry type trade? Give up a 2nd and 3rd for a #3 d-man? True. Garth Snow is still the GM in Brooklyn |
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Post by HFTO on Feb 4, 2017 15:06:12 GMT -5
Unfortunately the cupboard is pretty bare with the exception of our two D prospects.
MB has a couple 2nd round picks and that's about it....honestly not sure there is a deal to put the boys over the hump no matter the cost.
IMO a good C W D away ...filling one won't do it unless Price turns into Patrick for 2 months....and he just doesn't seem to be in that unbeatable zone.
HFTO
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Post by GNick99 on Feb 15, 2017 4:16:05 GMT -5
You think he won't make a trade because affect dressing room? Bergevin has always made a move at past trade deadlines. What is wrong with another Petry type trade? Give up a 2nd and 3rd for a #3 d-man? Habs have extra draft picks on hand....2 from the Eller trade and another 2nd rounder in the Danault trade. That's without trading their own picks or prospects. Bergs could make a Vanek/Collberg type trade? Give up a prospect and 2nd round pick for a good offensive rental? Why can't Bergs trade a Schebak or McCarron with a pick for a player? I would even trade one of Sergechev or Juulsen for the right top player. Not both of course. Your point is well-taken, but it only a little to do with what I was talking about ... I was pointing out how moving roster players at this point in the season, is taking a chance ... in each of the scenarios you pointed out no roster players were moved out ... again, I understand what you're saying and I do know Marc Bergevin made those moves, but none of those moves had anything to do with moving roster players out of town at the trade deadline ... I want to see how they do with a completely healthy roster before comparing them to '93 ... however, I thought Berg went 'all-in' when he traded arguably the team's best player in PK Subban ... I'm on record as saying the only way to validate The Trade is to win a Cup this year and that expectation has not changed ... Alex Radulov was probably, nay; the best UFA available and Berg signed him ... I think he'll be back and I think Berg will find the cap space for him ... as for the window, well I'm rather glad we have Berg at this point ... I'll be very surprised if he moves a roster player out (my original point) but at the same time I don't think he's done ... now, if he were Glen Sather, wellll ... Cheers. Wasn't comparing this club to '93 club(where you get that from?). Although, it would be a good idea possibly at some point. I'll be suprised if Bergevin doesn't make a move. He has at all other trade deadlines. I don't think it will be Duchene however. Sounds to me Sakic has made him available but holding out for a kings ransom. Too much...any team trades for him this deadline chances are will be big mistake. |
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