Duchene

[seventeen]

Sept 14, 2017 8:24:15 GMT -5 BadCompany said:

Sept 13, 2017 23:46:43 GMT -5 seventeen said:

I still have trouble understanding how a NMC written into a contract, suddenly disappears. It seems that when players accept a trade while having a NMC or NTC in their contracts, they still apply toward the team trading for them. Which is it?

It's apparently in the CBA:

“if a player is traded or claimed on waivers prior to the no-trade or no-move clause taking effect, the clause does not bind the acquiring club. An acquiring club may agree to continue to be bound by the no-trade or no-move clause, which agreement shall be evidenced in writing to the player, central registry and the NHLPA.”

Which, apparently, the Predators declined to do:

CONFIRMED: #Preds will not honour PK Subban's NMC. It was their choice since clause not in effect at time of trade.

Predators Won’t Honour P.K. Subban’s No-Movement Clause

Little known facts....ask BC.

[folatre]

Well, Duchene reported today and looked like a guy who did not want to be there.

Sakic needs to stop trying to trade the 70 point Duchene who is a few seasons away from UFA status. That is not reality. There are many people in the game who do not believe he is likely to ever to match this productivity level again and whoever acquires him does not control him for long.

[Disgruntled70sHab]

[frozone]

Sept 14, 2017 12:23:02 GMT -5 seventeen said:

Sept 14, 2017 8:47:39 GMT -5 frozone said:

I don't know... value-wise I'd have to say it would be a pretty even trade as long as Duchene's contract remains in the 6M dollar range. Is Duchene 2/3 the player that Subban is? Yea, I'd say that's about right. Bang for the buck makes this trade a real possibility. It's the reason why a player like Taylor Hall can be traded for a player like Adam Larsson straight up.

I think Colorado would have to add considering Duchene is coming off a terrible season. The trade, as is, definitely looks one sided today. But when both players are playing well, I could see this trade happening in today's NHL.

Colorado's first pick the next two years? Tyson Jost?

My guess: A conditional pick plus a defensive prospect that none of us have ever heard of. And naturally, Poile will have done his homework and that prospect will become a stud before long.

[blny]

Just goes to show, now matter how bad you think you've got it someone - the Avs and their fans - have it worse. lol

No doubt people in Duchene's group of advisors discussed with him the merits of holding out vs showing up. He's taken the high road. It's within his right not to answer questions. A brief statement, a show of support for the guys in the locker room, and that's it. Holding out would only have made things worse. All the negative press should remain focused right on the Avs and Sakic.

[Deleted]

Grain of salt, blah blah blah

[blny]

Sept 21, 2017 19:42:18 GMT -5 @mattdhf said:

Grain of salt, blah blah blah

If it happened, it didn't last long. Just went through the 180 or so people that the Canadiens follow on twitter. Matt's not one of them atm.

[Deleted]

Good sleuthing, blny.

[blny]

Sept 21, 2017 21:09:45 GMT -5 @mattdhf said:

Good sleuthing, blny.

Thanks.

The skeptic in me hears alarm bells when it comes to twitter. Lots of cleverly close spoof accounts.

[NWTHabsFan]

Sorry Joe, nobody is biting on your rumoured crazy high asking price. He is just not a franchise player as your demands would indicate. Very good player, yes, but not that elite.

Going to have to bring it down to get anywhere I would expect.

[blny]

Sept 23, 2017 9:01:28 GMT -5 NWTHabsFan said:

Sorry Joe, nobody is biting on your rumoured crazy high asking price. He is just not a franchise player as your demands would indicate. Very good player, yes, but not that elite.

Going to have to bring it down to get anywhere I would expect.

He's apparently still beholding to the asking price of 3 pieces - young NHL ready top end LHD, pick, prospect. The latter two depend on the perceived value of the first piece.

I've read that Carolina may be out (with Hanifin being a potential part), and they may have moved on to try and snag Tavares.

[folatre]

It is hard to say. Even with some nice young players last season, Carolina really struggled at the gate and the franchise situation in general lacks clarity. I am just not sure Tavares would be willing to sign there. And I doubt Ron Francis will give up a ton for a rental.

Back to Duchene, Sakic turned down at least two (perhaps more) really fair offers thus far in 2017. For me Sakic is making the mistake of tying together two unrelated decisions--what he did with O'Reilly and what he needs to do now with Duchene. A past decision (i.e. the sunk costs) cannot be weighed in the merits of a current decision.

[seventeen]

This was interesting:

www.tsn.ca/potential-deal-sending-duchene-to-sens-falls-through-1.905655

[GNick99]

I get initial feeling Duchene not right fit in Montreal...attitude or something

[GNick99]

Nov 4, 2017 0:30:03 GMT -5 seventeen said:

This was interesting:

www.tsn.ca/potential-deal-sending-duchene-to-sens-falls-through-1.905655

I had a feeling Sens would try to deal Turris this season...where he is a UFA

[seventeen]

What's interesting is that two GM's are addressing issues they have, and relatively quickly. Dorion has a UFA he realizes he probably can't re-sign, and Poile knows they have a hole at that #2 centre spot, which Turris would fill admirably. But it's so hard to get a centre. Sure it is, if all you want to give up is crap.

[blny]

I guess, if the club and Turris have had discussions, the feeling is the player/agent value themselves at more than $6 million a year. I don't know that I believe that, but it would seem the only reason to move on.

[blny]

On after 40, Friedman saying that Turris wants in the area of $6.5 million on a 7-8 year deal. No one knows whether or not Dorion is comfortable with that number or not, but it's believed that Melnyk isn't and that's the driving force behind moving Kyle.

While Nashville is believed to have wanted to agree to an extension before the deal, that's not where it fell apart. It appears that the combination of picks/prospects going back to Colorado is where things went sideways. At least one first round pick, maybe a second, etc. The value of one pick/prospect would become an issue based on the perceived value of another piece. Sounds like the Avs were playing the pieces coming back from each team against one another.

[franko]

Nov 4, 2017 21:05:36 GMT -5 blny said:

On after 40, Friedman saying that Turris wants in the area of $6.5 million on a 7-8 year deal. No one knows whether or not Dorion is comfortable with that number or not, but it's believed that Melnyk isn't and that's the driving force behind moving Kyle.

look in the dictionary under "cheap" and you'll see Melnyk's . . . well, you know.

he wants a Cadillac team while paying for a Yugo. and he wants someone else to pay for the garage to keep it in.

[GNick99]

Nov 4, 2017 21:05:36 GMT -5 blny said:

On after 40, Friedman saying that Turris wants in the area of $6.5 million on a 7-8 year deal. No one knows whether or not Dorion is comfortable with that number or not, but it's believed that Melnyk isn't and that's the driving force behind moving Kyle.

While Nashville is believed to have wanted to agree to an extension before the deal, that's not where it fell apart. It appears that the combination of picks/prospects going back to Colorado is where things went sideways. At least one first round pick, maybe a second, etc. The value of one pick/prospect would become an issue based on the perceived value of another piece. Sounds like the Avs were playing the pieces coming back from each team against one another.

That's a lot of money and term for 2nd line center....no wonder Ottawa passed

[blny]

Nov 5, 2017 7:57:31 GMT -5 GNick99 said:

Nov 4, 2017 21:05:36 GMT -5 blny said:

On after 40, Friedman saying that Turris wants in the area of $6.5 million on a 7-8 year deal. No one knows whether or not Dorion is comfortable with that number or not, but it's believed that Melnyk isn't and that's the driving force behind moving Kyle.

While Nashville is believed to have wanted to agree to an extension before the deal, that's not where it fell apart. It appears that the combination of picks/prospects going back to Colorado is where things went sideways. At least one first round pick, maybe a second, etc. The value of one pick/prospect would become an issue based on the perceived value of another piece. Sounds like the Avs were playing the pieces coming back from each team against one another.

That's a lot of money and term for 2nd line center....no wonder Ottawa passed

While I agree that both he and Brossard are akin to #2 centers, what's Duchene? Matt's making $6 million a year. He's got just one year left after this at that number and then he's a UFA.

[seventeen]

I don't think this deal is necessarily dead. If Sakic and Dorion want to do it badly enough, they'll tweak the picks/prosepcts.

[Skilly]

Did Ron MacLean just say Colorado has taken Duchene out of line-up .... Traded?

[Skilly]

Senators acquire Duchene ... Turris goes to Nashville

[seventeen]

I think this is how it shakes out:

To OTT: Duchene

To NSH: Turris

To COL: Colin White (OTT) 1st (OTT) 1st (NSH)

Frankly, I'm not sure the Avs did so well. It depends a lot on Colin White. The two first rounders sound good, but when you realize they'll likely be in the 18+ range, that's often the no-man's land of first round picks. Lots, and I mean lots, of those guys don't make it, or are never impact players. Ottawa got rid of an immediate contract headache and Nashville did very well, I think. Turris is a very good centre and following Johansen, with a healthy Bonino at the #3 spot, the Preds will have improved their strength up the middle a lot.

[Skilly]

That's what burns me .... Other teams manage to make trades for centers ... While we may not have had a Turris, White , 1st to get Duchene ....we certainly had a first to get Turris.

Maybe Turris isn't "good" enough, and yes I wouldn't trade a potential #1 overall for just Turris. But we need to upgrade the offense ... Somehow, someway

[blny]

[blny]

Comeau helped off the ice. Duchene leaving behind him. Traded in-game, a la Cammalleri.

[folatre]

Colorado picked up a lot of assets but nothing that screams cornerstone piece.

For me this is nice business by Poile. He gets a 2C, signed and sealed, and does not give up any asset that holds any relevance in chasing the Stanley Cup.

It is harder to understand how this works for Ottawa. Subtract and add at the same position. Sure, Duchene at his best probably represents more high end quality than Turris and Duchene is tradeable in 2019 for a late first rounder. I guess as long as the wheels do not fall off the Sens this season, then the assets surrendered are not scary expensive.

[drkcloud]

Nov 5, 2017 19:22:05 GMT -5 blny said:

Ottawa paid way too much. Glad we stayed away