|
|
Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 15, 2019 13:11:46 GMT -5
Elliotte Friedman's " 31 Thoughts" ... note para 9 ... Cheers. 9. There’s a ton of trade talk. Among the most aggressive teams: Buffalo, Calgary, Chicago, Minnesota, Nashville, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Toronto, Vancouver, Vegas, Washington and Winnipeg. Depending on how the draft goes, we could see some frenetic attempts to move up and down.
|
|
|
|
Draft '19
Jun 15, 2019 13:29:43 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by Willie Dog on Jun 15, 2019 13:29:43 GMT -5
Elliotte Friedman's " 31 Thoughts" ... note para 9 ... Cheers. 9. There’s a ton of trade talk. Among the most aggressive teams: Buffalo, Calgary, Chicago, Minnesota, Nashville, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Toronto, Vancouver, Vegas, Washington and Winnipeg. Depending on how the draft goes, we could see some frenetic attempts to move up and down. No mention of the habs... shocking.... Berg must be clothes shopping... or on vacation with MT. But hey... we might get the draft so that means Geoffey can get more concession money. |
|
|
|
Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 15, 2019 14:09:47 GMT -5
Here's an overaged-junior with decent size and numbers ... I wonder if Ronnie Attard might be an option if he's still around by the 3rd round or so ... McKeen's has him at #64, NHL Central Scouting (NA Skaters) has him at #76, and Elite Prospects has him a #92 ... Cheers. |
|
|
|
Post by blny on Jun 15, 2019 17:33:49 GMT -5
I hated the Price pick. HATED it. For all the reasons you just mentioned. But in retrospect, it seems like I was terribly wrong. Price was not only the best player available at that point, but arguably he was BY FAR the best player available. The only other player that would come remotely close is Anze Kopitar, and while a pretty good argument could be made pro and con the #1 goalie versus #1 center, the fact is that nobody else was even close. And that was with a 5th overall pick. So the question is then, would any of the defensemen we take at 15 have anywhere near the impact Price has had on the team? Would it better to get a generational talent – assuming Knight is in fact a generational talent – that would solidify the goaltending position for the next 15 to 17 years, that would ensure that you have some of the best goaltending in the league for the next decade and a half, or would it be better to get a #2 or #3 defenseman that fits a more pressing short-term need? Or a second line winger who scores 25-30 goals? I guess this is where you have to really trust your scouts. If they think one of those defensemen will be a #1 guy, or one of those forwards will be a top 10-15 guy in the league, then I guess you gotta take them. But if you're passing up a potential top 5 goalie to get a 2nd line/pairing guy, is that the best move for the long term health of the franchise? Isn't that what the draft is supposed to be about? All good questions. |
|
|
|
Post by blny on Jun 15, 2019 17:48:44 GMT -5
No way should the Habs pick Knight. Not unless they are willing to trade Carey Price in the next 2 years, which is hard to do at any time given his contract. If Bergevin suddenly announced that Price was available, there would be a list of teams willing to move heaven and Earth. When Henrik signed his contract with the Rangers for $8.5 million a season in 2014 it represented 12.3% of the $69 million cap. He was 32 when it kicked in. It was 10.2% of the cap this year. It's the key comparable, and it didn't hamper the Rangers. Price's contract represented 13.2% in its first season and it will be 12.7% in 2019-20. There's more than one article out there talking about the arrival of Seattle ramping the cap up to as much as $90 million. Seattle joins the league in the fourth season of Carey's deal. If it hits the $90 million mark it means Price's contract will be less of an impact than Hank's was at the equivalent time. Carey's a star. You pay the stars and it isn't their contracts that hurt. It's paying middling guys $5 million that kill you. Death by a thousand cuts. All that said, I don't think we need to draft Knight. I think Primeau is progressing excellently. He's arguably been the best goalie in the NCAA since his draft. I don't see him slowing down or peaking yet. |
|
|
|
Post by blny on Jun 15, 2019 19:29:00 GMT -5
|
|
|
|
Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 15, 2019 23:32:55 GMT -5
Here's an overaged-junior with decent size and numbers ... I wonder if Ronnie Attard might be an option if he's still around by the 3rd round or so ... McKeen's has him at #64, NHL Central Scouting (NA Skaters) has him at #76, and Elite Prospects has him a #92 ... Cheers. He is the USHL’s player and D of the year. He has also been passed over twice now in the draft. By the third round, I still think there will be younger guys with more upside available. Again, just my opinion. I have not seen him play, just read a bit about him. |
|
|
|
Post by blny on Jun 16, 2019 9:56:38 GMT -5
I don't expect the club to go down the overage route by using a pick. They did it for Crisp and Andrighetto and it didn't work. Maybe they invite an overage player to summer camp, but that would be it I think.
|
|
|
|
Post by Anardil1 on Jun 16, 2019 10:29:01 GMT -5
Even though Seider plays on the right side, I would love that pick. He's trending upwards on all lists, much like Jesperi did last year. Many say that the right side is not a need, but Weber, is showing his age, and Petry, while still looks strong, is on the wrong side of 30. Seider, IMHO, has the potential to replace either player. |
|
|
|
Post by blny on Jun 16, 2019 10:51:50 GMT -5
Even though Seider plays on the right side, I would love that pick. He's trending upwards on all lists, much like Jesperi did last year. Many say that the right side is not a need, but Weber, is showing his age, and Petry, while still looks strong, is on the wrong side of 30. Seider, IMHO, has the potential to replace either player. I know very little about the player, except that he's certainly trending upward and seems to be a consensus top 20 pick. Given the time it can take defenders, I tend to agree that, despite the right side being more of a strength, it shouldn't deter the club if he feel he's the right player to take. If he stays overseas til he's 20, and then spends a year or two with Bouchard ... We don't know who of Juulsen, Brook, or Fleury will make it. Yes, the left side is more of a need, but Mete is a fixture now imo and Romanov has another year in Russia. Barring something unforeseen, I see him playing in Montreal in the fall of 2020. So, it's not like the left side is barren. |
|
|
|
Post by seventeen on Jun 16, 2019 14:08:01 GMT -5
I haven't seen any scouting lists that have Boldy out of the top 10 and most have him in the top 6. The same list has Turcotte (3-5 on most lists) at #9, Zegras at 13, Suzuki at 8, Lavoie at 10, and Soderstrom at 7. I don't think I'd be hiring that guy to draft for me. Bu,t who knows? Maybe he's right and everyone else is wrong.
|
|
|
|
Post by seventeen on Jun 16, 2019 14:10:44 GMT -5
Elliotte Friedman's " 31 Thoughts" ... note para 9 ... Cheers. 9. There’s a ton of trade talk. Among the most aggressive teams: Buffalo, Calgary, Chicago, Minnesota, Nashville, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Toronto, Vancouver, Vegas, Washington and Winnipeg. Depending on how the draft goes, we could see some frenetic attempts to move up and down. Interesting that Montreal's not on that list. Yet this is the time when Berg could be selling high on some of his players. If Friedman is correct, of course. The Habs are so secretive, I don't think anything leaks. When it does it's probably for manipulative purposes. |
|
|
|
Draft '19
Jun 16, 2019 16:20:46 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by Cranky on Jun 16, 2019 16:20:46 GMT -5
To be competitive, we need a minimum of two players per draft making it in the NHL as more then fodder.
Three and we build contender status.
Looking back at our draft years, it's no suprise that Booins rebuild into a contender within 5 years.
Last years looks like a three hitter....this year, not so much.
|
|
|
|
Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 16, 2019 18:28:02 GMT -5
Elliotte Friedman's " 31 Thoughts" ... note para 9 ... Cheers. 9. There’s a ton of trade talk. Among the most aggressive teams: Buffalo, Calgary, Chicago, Minnesota, Nashville, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Toronto, Vancouver, Vegas, Washington and Winnipeg. Depending on how the draft goes, we could see some frenetic attempts to move up and down. Interesting that Montreal's not on that list. Yet this is the time when Berg could be selling high on some of his players. If Friedman is correct, of course. The Habs are so secretive, I don't think anything leaks. When it does it's probably for manipulative purposes. From what I'm reading here on the boards and elsewhere, there are two clearcut, can't-miss prospects going 1 & 2 ... 3-12/13 are studs, then there's a lot of extremely good players after that ... as an aside, I'd like to know what the status of Noah Juulsen is ... I'm hoping Marc Bergevin is active on the draft floor and I'm wondering if Juulsen could be part of that activity ... I don't necessarily want to lose him, but the team is deep with RH d-men ... Cheers. |
|
|
|
Post by Cranky on Jun 16, 2019 18:38:41 GMT -5
BTW...I'm betting that half can of Coke BC never paid up, (that's right, it's a 20 year old bet) that we are drafting Nick Suzuki......
|
|
|
|
Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 16, 2019 20:06:15 GMT -5
|
|
|
|
Post by blny on Jun 17, 2019 5:44:05 GMT -5
Interesting that Montreal's not on that list. Yet this is the time when Berg could be selling high on some of his players. If Friedman is correct, of course. The Habs are so secretive, I don't think anything leaks. When it does it's probably for manipulative purposes. From what I'm reading here on the boards and elsewhere, there are two clearcut, can't-miss prospects going 1 & 2 ... 3-12/13 are studs, then there's a lot of extremely good players after that ... as an aside, I'd like to know what the status of Noah Juulsen is ... I'm hoping Marc Bergevin is active on the draft floor and I'm wondering if Juulsen could be part of that activity ... I don't necessarily want to lose him, but the team is deep with RH d-men ... Cheers. His health status is that of fully recovered. His status within the organization is anyone's guess. I'd hate to lose him. He had established himself during the spell that Mete was sent down and prior to the injury. He has size, some grit, and mobility. Given how important RHD have become, and that our top 2 are over 30, it's imperative to either keep him in the fold or ensure parting with him results in an upgrade at another position. |
|
|
|
Post by BadCompany on Jun 17, 2019 8:48:55 GMT -5
BTW...I'm betting that half can of Coke BC never paid up, (that's right, it's a 20 year old bet) that we are drafting Nick Suzuki...... I'll take that bet!! Now if you had of said that we are drafting Ryan Suzuki, Nick's brother, then I might have hesitated.  |
|
|
|
Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 17, 2019 9:30:31 GMT -5
You guys sure it was only a can of 'coke'? ...  Cheers. |
|
|
|
Post by Cranky on Jun 17, 2019 9:37:18 GMT -5
BTW...I'm betting that half can of Coke BC never paid up, (that's right, it's a 20 year old bet) that we are drafting Nick Suzuki...... I'll take that bet!! Now if you had of said that we are drafting Ryan Suzuki, Nick's brother, then I might have hesitated. Him too!!! And we can call him the Strom Brothers!!! (Figure that one out smarty pants!) |
|
|
|
Post by seventeen on Jun 17, 2019 12:25:03 GMT -5
From what I'm reading here on the boards and elsewhere, there are two clearcut, can't-miss prospects going 1 & 2 ... 3-12/13 are studs, then there's a lot of extremely good players after that ... as an aside, I'd like to know what the status of Noah Juulsen is ... I'm hoping Marc Bergevin is active on the draft floor and I'm wondering if Juulsen could be part of that activity ... I don't necessarily want to lose him, but the team is deep with RH d-men ... Cheers. His health status is that of fully recovered. His status within the organization is anyone's guess. I'd hate to lose him. He had established himself during the spell that Mete was sent down and prior to the injury. He has size, some grit, and mobility. Given how important RHD have become, and that our top 2 are over 30, it's imperative to either keep him in the fold or ensure parting with him results in an upgrade at another position. I have a pretty high opinion of Juulsen, and if he's going to be as good as I think he could (excellent 2nd pairing guy who can spell off on the first pairing when required) it will make him a valuable asset to trade. Not dissimilar to Sergachev, with perhaps not as high a ceiling. I could easily see him being traded because Berg won't move Weber or Petry and those are the spots that Juulsen and Brook need to occupy. |
|
|
|
Post by seventeen on Jun 17, 2019 12:27:38 GMT -5
I'll take that bet!! Now if you had of said that we are drafting Ryan Suzuki, Nick's brother, then I might have hesitated. Him too!!! And we can call him the Strom Brothers!!! (Figure that one out smarty pants!) Nick = Dylan? I'm assuming you meant Strome. |
|
|
|
Post by folatre on Jun 17, 2019 12:52:19 GMT -5
Seventeen, I can see your points about Juulsen and I hope he can nail down that third pair spot on the right side.
But honestly I think he remains a little hard to project because despite being 22 years old the kids has not played much professional hockey. I know that injuries have been the problem but nevertheless it is kind of astounding that Juulsen has only played 36 AHL games and 44 NHL games thus far.
If he has to be included in a deal that improves the club so be it, though it would be nice if the Habs could see what kind of player he is for 75 games this season. It will also be fascinating to see how Brook looks in Laval and how much more Fleury progresses.
If these kids all prove to be NHLers (I am not saying they will), then it is important for management to remember that good young cheap assets are crucial to roster architecture and thus logic would say you hang onto at least two of them. And the corollary to that strategic judgment would be that either Weber or Petry should not be with the club when camp opens in 2021.
|
|
|
|
Post by Cranky on Jun 17, 2019 14:19:07 GMT -5
Him too!!! And we can call him the Strom Brothers!!! (Figure that one out smarty pants!) Nick = Dylan? I'm assuming you meant Strome. Nope. Suzuki...as in motorcycles. One of their models is V-Strom...which I ride. Thus the...Strom Brothers. Ok...WAY too inside.....and sideways.... |
|
|
|
Post by Willie Dog on Jun 18, 2019 9:08:19 GMT -5
Seventeen, I can see your points about Juulsen and I hope he can nail down that third pair spot on the right side. But honestly I think he remains a little hard to project because despite being 22 years old the kids has not played much professional hockey. I know that injuries have been the problem but nevertheless it is kind of astounding that Juulsen has only played 36 AHL games and 44 NHL games thus far. If he has to be included in a deal that improves the club so be it, though it would be nice if the Habs could see what kind of player he is for 75 games this season. It will also be fascinating to see how Brook looks in Laval and how much more Fleury progresses. If these kids all prove to be NHLers (I am not saying they will), then it is important for management to remember that good young cheap assets are crucial to roster architecture and thus logic would say you hang onto at least two of them. And the corollary to that strategic judgment would be that either Weber or Petry should not be with the club when camp opens in 2021. As long a MB is GM, Weber is not going anywhere... That was MBs signature move. |
|
|
|
Draft '19
Jun 18, 2019 11:49:14 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by blny on Jun 18, 2019 11:49:14 GMT -5
Seventeen, I can see your points about Juulsen and I hope he can nail down that third pair spot on the right side. But honestly I think he remains a little hard to project because despite being 22 years old the kids has not played much professional hockey. I know that injuries have been the problem but nevertheless it is kind of astounding that Juulsen has only played 36 AHL games and 44 NHL games thus far. If he has to be included in a deal that improves the club so be it, though it would be nice if the Habs could see what kind of player he is for 75 games this season. It will also be fascinating to see how Brook looks in Laval and how much more Fleury progresses. If these kids all prove to be NHLers (I am not saying they will), then it is important for management to remember that good young cheap assets are crucial to roster architecture and thus logic would say you hang onto at least two of them. And the corollary to that strategic judgment would be that either Weber or Petry should not be with the club when camp opens in 2021. As long a MB is GM, Weber is not going anywhere... That was MBs signature move. I think he ends his career back in Nashville. He will remain in Montreal until the Canadiens are free of recapture penalties most likely. That's another 4 years. |
|
|
|
Post by BadCompany on Jun 18, 2019 12:39:22 GMT -5
Bob McKenzie's final rankings: www.tsn.ca/americans-set-to-dominate-first-round-of-the-nhl-draft-1.1323878Interesting that some of the guys most often linked to us appear to have fallen: * Harley - 17 * York - 18 (and last of the blueliners in that blueline stretch everyone keeps talking about) * Lavoie - 19 * Suzuki - 20 * Kaliyev - 21 Also, just because it would be so much fun: Spencer Knight - 12 Only one goaltender - the American, Knight, at No. 12 - is ranked in the top 31, but he’s projected to be a star. Many believe Knight has the tools to become the best ever American goalie and it will be fascinating to see how early, or late, a team is prepared to forgo a skater for him. Knight’s consensus ranking is No. 12 but some teams rank him as a top five or 10 prospect. |
|
|
|
Post by Tankdriver on Jun 18, 2019 13:27:14 GMT -5
It's going to be a fun draft. Too bad I'll be in Kingston that weekend, so you'll have to keep me posted with live reaction of some of the picks being made and not just Montreal picks. I see potentially a lot of movement in the first round.
|
|
|
|
Post by BadCompany on Jun 18, 2019 14:42:32 GMT -5
It's going to be a fun draft. Too bad I'll be in Kingston that weekend, so you'll have to keep me posted with live reaction of some of the picks being made and not just Montreal picks. I see potentially a lot of movement in the first round. The draft would be a lot more fun if they moved it to two weeks after the start of free agency. Imagine all the teams trying to get what they couldn't get during free agency, or trying to shed salary because of their drunken spending sprees a week earlier? Alas, that would be a tough sell for the players. |
|
|
|
Post by blny on Jun 18, 2019 17:55:32 GMT -5
|
|
:quality(70)/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/archetype/6F6VF25GCFF2HFJCOITRJSGNPE.jpg)
