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Post by Cranky on Apr 17, 2019 13:55:33 GMT -5
I suspect that Tampax will go after Kadri.
I would love to get Kadri first and offer them Shaw, which will probably net us a good scoring return. What I really want from them is Cal Foote. Shaw for Foote is not outside the realm of doable. They need better defense in the future, but they are in "win now mode" and Foote may be 3 years away form good....with an outside chance of nothing special.
Maybe if they are desperate enough.....
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Post by Cranky on Apr 17, 2019 14:06:37 GMT -5
And they’re not exactly in a great cap situation either. They’ve got about $10 million to sign seven players, one of whom is Brayden Point, he of the 92 point season. And for all the accolades Julien Brisebois has been getting for helping to build such a power-house they sure have a lot of mediocre-to-bad contracts. If you thought Jonathon Drouin’s contract was bad, check out these: * Ryan Callahan: $5.8 million, 17 points. Highest point total as a Bolt – 54. * Ondrej Palat: $5.3 million, 34 points. Highest point total as a Bolt – 63. * JT Miller: $5.25 million, 47 points. Highest point total in his career – 56. * Tyler Johnson: $5 million, 47 points. * Alex Killhorn: $4.45 million, 40 points. Highest point total as a Bolt – 47. * Yanni Gourde: next year his cap hit jumps to $5.166 million – 48 points. * Seven players have NTC or NMC (Stamkos, Callahan, Palat, Johnson, Kilhorn, Hedman, McDonagh) * That number was actually higher, but 3 other players who had NTC or NMC are now UFAs (Stralman, Coburn, Girardi). So they originally had ten players with no-trade clauses of some sort. For comparison’s sake we had four; Thompson, Price, Petry, Alzner, and one of them wasn’t signed by Bergevin. As an aside, how do Nate Thompson and Alex Killhorn get NTCs?? I get that there is something to be said for having scoring depth throughout the lineup, and clearly the Lightning were a dominant regular season team, but how are they going to move guys to get under the cap? What value do $5million 40 point players have around the league? Are you going to give up a lot for somebody like Kilhorn or Palat? And that’s compounded by the fact that these guys have NTCs, which restrict to who they can be dealt. Should be an interesting summer in Tampa. All of those you mention will not sustain their output outside a power team. It's one thing when there is so much scoring on a team, that there is the "boat lift" effect, completely different if they are thrust into top 5 demand of scoring.....and associated defensive attention. Look at Drouin. Can anybody accuse him of being the go-to guy? Or make his team mates better? I bet that Domi would be a 100 point man on that team. Come to think of it, IF i was the Tampa GM, that's my target trade. Point plus for Domi.....and BBinz better sit on his hands. Thankfully, his is so full of himself and then add his "character" mantra, so I don't see him doing that. On the other hand, Point plus Foote..... |
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Post by seventeen on Apr 17, 2019 14:13:09 GMT -5
Its the Stone effect it's how good Stone is. I've seen enough of the series to know that all three on that line are playing very well right now. Max has scored a couple of is patented off wing goals. Stastny has been doing a little bit of everything. Yes, Max has looked good to me, contributing and not just living off Stone. Stone is benefiting as much from Stastny and Max as they are from him. Good veteran line. |
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Post by jkr on Apr 17, 2019 14:21:52 GMT -5
And they’re not exactly in a great cap situation either. They’ve got about $10 million to sign seven players, one of whom is Brayden Point, he of the 92 point season. And for all the accolades Julien Brisebois has been getting for helping to build such a power-house they sure have a lot of mediocre-to-bad contracts. If you thought Jonathon Drouin’s contract was bad, check out these: * Ryan Callahan: $5.8 million, 17 points. Highest point total as a Bolt – 54. * Ondrej Palat: $5.3 million, 34 points. Highest point total as a Bolt – 63. * JT Miller: $5.25 million, 47 points. Highest point total in his career – 56. * Tyler Johnson: $5 million, 47 points. * Alex Killhorn: $4.45 million, 40 points. Highest point total as a Bolt – 47. * Yanni Gourde: next year his cap hit jumps to $5.166 million – 48 points. * Seven players have NTC or NMC (Stamkos, Callahan, Palat, Johnson, Kilhorn, Hedman, McDonagh) * That number was actually higher, but 3 other players who had NTC or NMC are now UFAs (Stralman, Coburn, Girardi). So they originally had ten players with no-trade clauses of some sort. For comparison’s sake we had four; Thompson, Price, Petry, Alzner, and one of them wasn’t signed by Bergevin. As an aside, how do Nate Thompson and Alex Killhorn get NTCs?? I get that there is something to be said for having scoring depth throughout the lineup, and clearly the Lightning were a dominant regular season team, but how are they going to move guys to get under the cap? What value do $5million 40 point players have around the league? Are you going to give up a lot for somebody like Kilhorn or Palat? And that’s compounded by the fact that these guys have NTCs, which restrict to who they can be dealt. Should be an interesting summer in Tampa. You can't blame Brisebois for Miller & Callahan. Those were trades made by Yzerman. The rest, OK. |
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Post by Andrew on Apr 17, 2019 14:26:10 GMT -5
And they’re not exactly in a great cap situation either. They’ve got about $10 million to sign seven players, one of whom is Brayden Point, he of the 92 point season. And for all the accolades Julien Brisebois has been getting for helping to build such a power-house they sure have a lot of mediocre-to-bad contracts. If you thought Jonathon Drouin’s contract was bad, check out these: * Ryan Callahan: $5.8 million, 17 points. Highest point total as a Bolt – 54. * Ondrej Palat: $5.3 million, 34 points. Highest point total as a Bolt – 63. * JT Miller: $5.25 million, 47 points. Highest point total in his career – 56. * Tyler Johnson: $5 million, 47 points. * Alex Killhorn: $4.45 million, 40 points. Highest point total as a Bolt – 47. * Yanni Gourde: next year his cap hit jumps to $5.166 million – 48 points. * Seven players have NTC or NMC (Stamkos, Callahan, Palat, Johnson, Kilhorn, Hedman, McDonagh) * That number was actually higher, but 3 other players who had NTC or NMC are now UFAs (Stralman, Coburn, Girardi). So they originally had ten players with no-trade clauses of some sort. For comparison’s sake we had four; Thompson, Price, Petry, Alzner, and one of them wasn’t signed by Bergevin. As an aside, how do Nate Thompson and Alex Killhorn get NTCs?? I get that there is something to be said for having scoring depth throughout the lineup, and clearly the Lightning were a dominant regular season team, but how are they going to move guys to get under the cap? What value do $5million 40 point players have around the league? Are you going to give up a lot for somebody like Kilhorn or Palat? And that’s compounded by the fact that these guys have NTCs, which restrict to who they can be dealt. Should be an interesting summer in Tampa. Another interesting aspect of Tampa's cap situation are the lower Florida taxes, which gives them a substantial cap advantage over Canadian markets. I recall that when Stamkos re-signed at $8.5 analysts were saying that Toronto would have had to pay closer to $12 M to afford the same after-tax income. |
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Post by seventeen on Apr 17, 2019 14:29:12 GMT -5
And they’re not exactly in a great cap situation either. They’ve got about $10 million to sign seven players, one of whom is Brayden Point, he of the 92 point season. And for all the accolades Julien Brisebois has been getting for helping to build such a power-house they sure have a lot of mediocre-to-bad contracts. If you thought Jonathon Drouin’s contract was bad, check out these: * Ryan Callahan: $5.8 million, 17 points. Highest point total as a Bolt – 54. * Ondrej Palat: $5.3 million, 34 points. Highest point total as a Bolt – 63. * JT Miller: $5.25 million, 47 points. Highest point total in his career – 56. * Tyler Johnson: $5 million, 47 points. * Alex Killhorn: $4.45 million, 40 points. Highest point total as a Bolt – 47. * Yanni Gourde: next year his cap hit jumps to $5.166 million – 48 points. * Seven players have NTC or NMC (Stamkos, Callahan, Palat, Johnson, Kilhorn, Hedman, McDonagh) * That number was actually higher, but 3 other players who had NTC or NMC are now UFAs (Stralman, Coburn, Girardi). So they originally had ten players with no-trade clauses of some sort. For comparison’s sake we had four; Thompson, Price, Petry, Alzner, and one of them wasn’t signed by Bergevin. As an aside, how do Nate Thompson and Alex Killhorn get NTCs?? I get that there is something to be said for having scoring depth throughout the lineup, and clearly the Lightning were a dominant regular season team, but how are they going to move guys to get under the cap? What value do $5million 40 point players have around the league? Are you going to give up a lot for somebody like Kilhorn or Palat? And that’s compounded by the fact that these guys have NTCs, which restrict to who they can be dealt. Should be an interesting summer in Tampa. in hindsight, after the sweep, those look terrible. If they had won, I doubt fans would care that much, but regardless, it is a heck of a problem for Brisebois. It's especially odd for a team in such a generous tax area. They didn't have to pay as much (Kucherov and Stamkos) yet they overpaid their supporting cast. Ok. Who can we get from them by taking on one of their 'bad' contracts? It also makes one re-visit one's opinion of Yzerman. He built a very strong scouting and development group, but seems to have a weakness with contracts (or was that Brisebois' responsibility?). How will Yzerman deal with a tax jurisdiction (Michigan, and I'm speculating here) that doesn't have that advantage?). |
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Post by blny on Apr 17, 2019 14:31:51 GMT -5
And they’re not exactly in a great cap situation either. They’ve got about $10 million to sign seven players, one of whom is Brayden Point, he of the 92 point season. And for all the accolades Julien Brisebois has been getting for helping to build such a power-house they sure have a lot of mediocre-to-bad contracts. If you thought Jonathon Drouin’s contract was bad, check out these: * Ryan Callahan: $5.8 million, 17 points. Highest point total as a Bolt – 54. * Ondrej Palat: $5.3 million, 34 points. Highest point total as a Bolt – 63. * JT Miller: $5.25 million, 47 points. Highest point total in his career – 56. * Tyler Johnson: $5 million, 47 points. * Alex Killhorn: $4.45 million, 40 points. Highest point total as a Bolt – 47. * Yanni Gourde: next year his cap hit jumps to $5.166 million – 48 points. * Seven players have NTC or NMC (Stamkos, Callahan, Palat, Johnson, Kilhorn, Hedman, McDonagh) * That number was actually higher, but 3 other players who had NTC or NMC are now UFAs (Stralman, Coburn, Girardi). So they originally had ten players with no-trade clauses of some sort. For comparison’s sake we had four; Thompson, Price, Petry, Alzner, and one of them wasn’t signed by Bergevin. As an aside, how do Nate Thompson and Alex Killhorn get NTCs?? I get that there is something to be said for having scoring depth throughout the lineup, and clearly the Lightning were a dominant regular season team, but how are they going to move guys to get under the cap? What value do $5million 40 point players have around the league? Are you going to give up a lot for somebody like Kilhorn or Palat? And that’s compounded by the fact that these guys have NTCs, which restrict to who they can be dealt. Should be an interesting summer in Tampa. in hindsight, after the sweep, those look terrible. If they had won, I doubt fans would care that much, but regardless, it is a heck of a problem for Brisebois. It's especially odd for a team in such a generous tax area. They didn't have to pay as much (Kucherov and Stamkos) yet they overpaid their supporting cast. Ok. Who can we get from them by taking on one of their 'bad' contracts? It also makes one re-visit one's opinion of Yzerman. He built a very strong scouting and development group, but seems to have a weakness with contracts (or was that Brisebois' responsibility?). How will Yzerman deal with a tax jurisdiction (Michigan, and I'm speculating here) that doesn't have that advantage?). I have to say that aside from Coburn, perhaps their most visible forwards were Joseph and Paquette. Definitely the character guys made an effort. |
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Post by BadCompany on Apr 17, 2019 14:44:55 GMT -5
You can't blame Brisebois for Miller & Callahan. Those were trades made by Yzerman. The rest, OK. Yzerman may have traded for them, but they were both signed to their current contracts while with Tampa, assumedly by Brisebois as he is always touted as their capologist. |
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Post by Cranky on Apr 17, 2019 14:49:50 GMT -5
Stone alone would of brought us to the next level. His compete level is as good as it gets.
Tells you how bad the Hens owner is when they trade a franchise player.
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Post by Cranky on Apr 17, 2019 14:54:23 GMT -5
in hindsight, after the sweep, those look terrible. If they had won, I doubt fans would care that much, but regardless, it is a heck of a problem for Brisebois. It's especially odd for a team in such a generous tax area. They didn't have to pay as much (Kucherov and Stamkos) yet they overpaid their supporting cast. Ok. Who can we get from them by taking on one of their 'bad' contracts? If they had won or went very deep, nobody would care how much they overpaid. They have plenty of depth to sell for some more grit and as always, scoring is more valued then grit. It wont take much asset loss for them to get a few Shaws. |
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Post by jkr on Apr 17, 2019 14:57:39 GMT -5
You can't blame Brisebois for Miller & Callahan. Those were trades made by Yzerman. The rest, OK. Yzerman may have traded for them, but they were both signed to their current contracts while with Tampa, assumedly by Brisebois as he is always touted as their capologist. I was just going to ask that. Doesn't a GM have to sign off on deals or does his assistant have authority to sign players? |
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Post by Cranky on Apr 17, 2019 15:05:48 GMT -5
Yzerman may have traded for them, but they were both signed to their current contracts while with Tampa, assumedly by Brisebois as he is always touted as their capologist. I was just going to ask that. Doesn't a GM have to sign off on deals or does his assistant have authority to sign players? From the real world......and from memory....."Signing authority" can be whoever the company wants it to be. Obviously Brisebois can't and won't sign anything without previous discussions/permission. |
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Post by folatre on Apr 17, 2019 15:07:12 GMT -5
Watching guys like Callahan and Killorn play and factoring in their cap hits, they truly have negative value and thus Tampa would have to part with picks or prospects to induce another club to take them.
On the contrary, while they were invisible in the Columbus series, I have no doubt that BriseBois could find takers for Johnson, Miller, or Gourde. They have value.
I know that everyone is pointing to how ineffectual Stamkos, Kucherov, and Point were. And they were poor. But another guy who surprised me a little with how bad he looks at age 29 is McDonagh, again this is in the context of the team playing a historically bad series so that has to be taken into consideration. Supposedly when Yzerman acquired him, everyone thought Tampa had the luxury of having their number one guy, Hedman, and now a 1B type guy in the fold. But, man, I thought he did not look up for the task at all, just really slow and turnover prone.
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Post by Cranky on Apr 17, 2019 15:12:06 GMT -5
If it blows, it blows. As much as a great team lifts all players to the next level, a bad team or series brings everybody down.
McDonough is still a #1 on most teams, probably gives the current version of Weber a run for his money, if not more valuable.
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Post by seventeen on Apr 17, 2019 15:42:39 GMT -5
Watching guys like Callahan and Killorn play and factoring in their cap hits, they truly have negative value and thus Tampa would have to part with picks or prospects to induce another club to take them. On the contrary, while they were invisible in the Columbus series, I have no doubt that BriseBois could find takers for Johnson, Miller, or Gourde. They have value. I know that everyone is pointing to how ineffectual Stamkos, Kucherov, and Point were. And they were poor. But another guy who surprised me a little with how bad he looks at age 29 is McDonagh, again this is in the context of the team playing a historically bad series so that has to be taken into consideration. Supposedly when Yzerman acquired him, everyone thought Tampa had the luxury of having their number one guy, Hedman, and now a 1B type guy in the fold. But, man, I thought he did not look up for the task at all, just really slow and turnover prone. Leading up to the playoffs, and when Hedman was injured, McDonagh played extremely well. I don't think he was the problem. I see two factors that helped in the Columbus upset. The first is that the effort level for everyone climbs in the playoffs, so the effort expended by teams to get into the playoffs during the regular season is a telling point. Take the Habs for example. It was consistently noticeable during the season that they were playing at a high efficiency level, like a 7 speed transmission in 6th gear. Most teams were in 4th or 5th gear, so during the playoffs, I wouldn't have put any money on the Habs. They just didn't have much more to give, despite the character and attitude. Columbus struggled after the trade deadline, like a team that was in 3rd or 4th gear and that was partly why I gambled on my prediction. Secondly, Tampa can blame it on the officials. There's no question that the whistles get put away in the playoffs. I just read an article on that where the author used stats to make his point. That helps the lousier (I prefer that word) teams to the skilled teams. Tampa is at a disadvantage to Columbus. The Leafs are disadvantaged to the Bruins and so on. Weaker teams get away with more because the refs don't want to 'influence the game'. They don't seem to get that that's exactly what they're doing but in a stealthy way. Tampa used their PP to great effect during the season, and might have had more PP's in the playoffs if the games were officiated at the same level. I can't say that for certainty because I missed around half of that series. Maybe Tampa didn't deserve more PP's. Glad to see the Jets come back on the Blues. Gotta have those Canadian teams advance. C'mon Calgary. Get that effort level up. If any Canadian team is going to get eliminated, it should be the Leafs first.  |
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Post by blny on Apr 17, 2019 16:07:47 GMT -5
Watching guys like Callahan and Killorn play and factoring in their cap hits, they truly have negative value and thus Tampa would have to part with picks or prospects to induce another club to take them. On the contrary, while they were invisible in the Columbus series, I have no doubt that BriseBois could find takers for Johnson, Miller, or Gourde. They have value. I know that everyone is pointing to how ineffectual Stamkos, Kucherov, and Point were. And they were poor. But another guy who surprised me a little with how bad he looks at age 29 is McDonagh, again this is in the context of the team playing a historically bad series so that has to be taken into consideration. Supposedly when Yzerman acquired him, everyone thought Tampa had the luxury of having their number one guy, Hedman, and now a 1B type guy in the fold. But, man, I thought he did not look up for the task at all, just really slow and turnover prone. I've always thought McD was overrated. A good top 4 guy, but not a #1. Aside from the 2014 playoffs, he's never really stood out in the crowd for me. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Apr 17, 2019 16:31:02 GMT -5
Tampa took a lot of penalties but their PP was no where near as efficient as it was in the regular season, they only scored 1 PP goal in 4 games.
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Post by Willie Dog on Apr 17, 2019 16:31:47 GMT -5
Watching guys like Callahan and Killorn play and factoring in their cap hits, they truly have negative value and thus Tampa would have to part with picks or prospects to induce another club to take them. On the contrary, while they were invisible in the Columbus series, I have no doubt that BriseBois could find takers for Johnson, Miller, or Gourde. They have value. I know that everyone is pointing to how ineffectual Stamkos, Kucherov, and Point were. And they were poor. But another guy who surprised me a little with how bad he looks at age 29 is McDonagh, again this is in the context of the team playing a historically bad series so that has to be taken into consideration. Supposedly when Yzerman acquired him, everyone thought Tampa had the luxury of having their number one guy, Hedman, and now a 1B type guy in the fold. But, man, I thought he did not look up for the task at all, just really slow and turnover prone. I've always thought McD was overrated. A good top 4 guy, but not a #1. Aside from the 2014 playoffs, he's never really stood out in the crowd for me. He logged a lot of hard minutes in NY... |
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Post by blny on Apr 17, 2019 17:11:23 GMT -5
I've always thought McD was overrated. A good top 4 guy, but not a #1. Aside from the 2014 playoffs, he's never really stood out in the crowd for me. He logged a lot of hard minutes in NY... I'm not saying he isn't good. I just believe he's overhyped. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2019 17:36:36 GMT -5
I've seen enough of the series to know that all three on that line are playing very well right now. Max has scored a couple of is patented off wing goals. Stastny has been doing a little bit of everything. Yes, Max has looked good to me, contributing and not just living off Stone. Stone is benefiting as much from Stastny and Max as they are from him. Good veteran line. There's less pressure on Pacioretty to be "the guy," so he can relax and play his game. What a night last night for him. |
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Post by seventeen on Apr 17, 2019 17:49:00 GMT -5
Yes, Max has looked good to me, contributing and not just living off Stone. Stone is benefiting as much from Stastny and Max as they are from him. Good veteran line. There's less pressure on Pacioretty to be "the guy," so he can relax and play his game. What a night last night for him. If only we'd had better players around him, specifically centres. Stastny is no superstar but he's the best centre Max has ever played with. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Apr 17, 2019 20:37:28 GMT -5
Leafs lose... woohoo
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Post by blny on Apr 18, 2019 4:27:43 GMT -5
Avs win in ot again. Up 3-1. Smith has stood on his head for the Flames. Case in point, Colorado fired 52 shots on net last night, and many were of very high quality.
Flames big guns have largely been quiet, while Avs big line has been excellent.
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Post by Willie Dog on Apr 18, 2019 5:29:37 GMT -5
Avs win in ot again. Up 3-1. Smith has stood on his head for the Flames. Case in point, Colorado fired 52 shots on net last night, and many were of very high quality. Flames big guns have largely been quiet, while Avs big line has been excellent. MacKinnon has been a beast and Johhny Hockey has been largely invisible |
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Post by jkr on Apr 18, 2019 8:02:21 GMT -5
Avs win in ot again. Up 3-1. Smith has stood on his head for the Flames. Case in point, Colorado fired 52 shots on net last night, and many were of very high quality. Flames big guns have largely been quiet, while Avs big line has been excellent. A game to forget for Backlund. He was in the box when the Avs tied it with under 3 minutes to go in the 3rd. He had a glorious chance to win it in OT & couldn't get the puck over Grubauer's pad & to top it off, he was on the ice for the winner. |
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 18, 2019 9:18:41 GMT -5
Tim and Sid on Tampa's collapse. Sid thinks Columbus will be gone in 5 vs. either the Bruins or Leafs in Round 2. I don't know about that....
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Post by blny on Apr 18, 2019 10:15:24 GMT -5
Agreed CH. CBJ has enough speed to keep up with the Leafs. They have the size to handle the Bruins. Their top guys are producing to keep up with either foe.
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Post by Willie Dog on Apr 18, 2019 11:30:19 GMT -5
Agreed CH. CBJ has enough speed to keep up with the Leafs. They have the size to handle the Bruins. Their top guys are producing to keep up with either foe. And if Bob continues to play the way he has they'll be very tough to get past |
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Post by Cranky on Apr 18, 2019 12:49:13 GMT -5
I can't watch playoff hockey without a layer of anger.
The constant background..."where are my f***** habs"
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Post by Cranky on Apr 18, 2019 12:50:48 GMT -5
Agreed CH. CBJ has enough speed to keep up with the Leafs. They have the size to handle the Bruins. Their top guys are producing to keep up with either foe. Whoever wins in the garbage series known as Laff/Booins, I hope either gets wiped in four. |
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