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Post by Cranky on Sept 13, 2020 21:44:39 GMT -5
Looks like it'll be the bolts v the stars... Tampa better be ready for some abuse I guess the "anything can happen" garbage needs to be put into the....garbage. Were a million miles from competing with Tampa and there is nothing at their level that even remotely coming up in our system. No offer sheet. No free agents. No impact trades. Just a lot of "hope" flatulence from Bbinz and Mol$on. |
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Post by Tankdriver on Sept 13, 2020 23:04:32 GMT -5
Covid is going to save M.B. job. Empty stands and no way play offs, out of the race early in a normal year would likely signal the end.
Now that I don't expect fans in 2020-21, Molson won't be able to see the discontent and hear the booing after each loss.
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Post by Willie Dog on Sept 14, 2020 7:29:29 GMT -5
As long as the sheep keep watching, tv ratings are good, and MB is able to maximize available cap space all the while he is shoveling hope... he will keep his job.... I expect him to get a contract extension because of the good work he has done.
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Post by GNick99 on Sept 14, 2020 7:59:59 GMT -5
Tampa seems to be on a mission this playoff. Just the way they slashed Pageau on empty goal other night. They looked pissed. I don't know if embarassing upset last year did it or not.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Sept 14, 2020 22:11:59 GMT -5
Dallas in OT. Wow. Did not see that coming at the beginning of this series.
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Post by seventeen on Sept 14, 2020 23:19:04 GMT -5
Vegas dominated in shots on goal, but those shots have to, you know, go in. In hindsight, and this is something I wondered about when the series started but didn't give it enough weight, is the strength up the middle. I kept looking at Khudobin and shaking my head. (Which I will still do even in the SC finals).
Vegas' top centre is Jonathan Marchessault, with 47 points in 66 games, or a prorated 58 points. Karlsson was next (though one questions whether he's really a centre) with a 60 point prorated season. Stastny produced 44 porarated points and Chandler Stephenson, who centred their 'top' line, had 44 prorated points. The thing is that Dallas is not much better, if at all. Seguin scored 59 prorated points and he was their top centre. Pavelski, Gurianov, Dickinson and Cogliano rounded it up.
Tampa normally is quite strong up the middle but without Stamkos and with an injured Point.....they're a rung below their best.
One point of note is that Dallas faced bad goaltending vs Calgary, bad goaltending vs Colorado and unimpressive goaltending vs Vegas. Did that make the difference? If Tampa advances, the Stars will face better goaltending than they have so far (by a large margin). The centres they will face may be much more challenging or not depending on how injured Point is. If Point can play, the Lightning centres will be Point, Cirelli, Gourde, Johnson or Paquette. I haven't noticed who Cooper is using. Cirelli is also likely to be the best defensive centre the Stars will have seen and Point the best offensive centre. I'm not convinced Point will be healthy, so that will be a problem for Tampa.
On the other hand, the Lightning defence will be adequately mobile and bigger than any the Stars have played so far. I don't think they'll be able to wear them down. It's a bit of a crap shoot and may come down simply to Tampa's and Dallas' scoring ability vs the respective goalies they are facing. I'm giving up predicting and at best I'm 50% but I think I'm below that.
PS. If I'm looking for a goalie, I don't go rushing out pen in hand with a contract for Robin Lehner. Fleury lost game 1, giving up 1 goal on 25 shots. Then Lehner played the next 4 with save percentages of 1.000 (the 1-0 shutout) .870, .900 and .885. Gagliardi is sending him a thank you card.
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Post by jkr on Sept 15, 2020 6:35:08 GMT -5
Looks like it'll be the bolts v the stars... Tampa better be ready for some abuse Stars won in OT after Vegas blows a two goal 3rd period lead. Pacioretty finishes on an 8 game goalless streak, although he wasng the only Knight tbat had stoped scoring. And did I hear right? The Stars have a negative goal diffential in the playoffs? How does a team like that with a cared backup make it to the final. |
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Post by GNick99 on Sept 15, 2020 7:06:03 GMT -5
Oiler fans are saying talk about blockbuster involving OEL and Nurse, first pick.
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Post by Willie Dog on Sept 15, 2020 8:32:45 GMT -5
Looks like it'll be the bolts v the stars... Tampa better be ready for some abuse Stars won in OT after Vegas blows a two goal 3rd period lead. Pacioretty finishes on an 8 game goalless streak, although he wasng the only Knight tbat had stoped scoring. And did I hear right? The Stars have a negative goal diffential in the playoffs? How does a team like that with a cared backup make it to the final. Ever since the big ape got away with assaulting him patches shies away from the nasty stuff and Dallas is a nasty team. I call it the Perry effect... |
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Post by seventeen on Sept 15, 2020 15:41:16 GMT -5
Looks like it'll be the bolts v the stars... Tampa better be ready for some abuse Stars won in OT after Vegas blows a two goal 3rd period lead. Pacioretty finishes on an 8 game goalless streak, although he wasng the only Knight tbat had stoped scoring. And did I hear right? The Stars have a negative goal diffential in the playoffs? How does a team like that with a cared backup make it to the final. The simple answer is that Colorado got robbed by lady luck. They are twice the team that Dallas is, but the injuries to their goaltending killed them. In fact, Dallas had some good luck with goaltending issues through each series. Here is the save percentages for Calgary, Colorado and Vegas, along with the save percentages in just their losses against Dallas. | Series | Calgary | Colorado | Las Vegas
| Save % for series
| .902 | .877 | .921 | Save % in losses
| .877 | .842 | .903 |
Certainly substandard goaltending vs Calgary and Colorado and Vegas lost because they got poor goaltending in their 4 losses. Those 4 losses include a 1-0, .958 Performance by MA Fleury. Exclude that and you;ve got an .884 performance in 3 of the losses. That's why Dallas is winning. Shots are going in, whether they deserve to or not. Their goal differential, to me, indicates they're not that good and the reality is likely somewhere in the middle. They're better than an average team but they shouldn't be winning any Stanley Cups. Still....there they are, vindication perhaps for Bergevin's "anything can happen".
Colorado's situation truly is sad and depressing. They steamrolled the Stars, but it's hard to overcome a goal going in every 6 1/2 shots by the opposition.
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Post by folatre on Sept 15, 2020 18:11:54 GMT -5
With the glut of good goalies on the market, Sakic cannot afford to get burned again. Grubauer is good but he has never shown that he is a stand alone #1 guy in this league. Colorado needs to get another tandem type #1 guy. Fleury would make sense if Vegas eats $2.5 or $3 million. Markstrom would be a good fit if Vancouver cannot or will not pay him market value.
Laviolette is the man in Washington. He seems like a good fit there. Interestingly, the days of crazy term and dollars for highly regarded Cup winner coaches may have ended with Covid. Laviolette got the dollars one would expect ($5 million per) but he only got three years, a far cry from what guys like Babcock and Julien negotiated the last time they were in demand.
Maybe the Brodin to Montreal and everywhere trade speculation will die down now. The 27 year old d-man signed a 7 year/$42 million deal with the Wild today. Petry produces about 8-9 more points per season over his career than Brodin, but the Wild rearguard is almost six years younger than Petry. For me Bergevin should not logically give Petry more than four years since he will turn 34 in the December of the first year of his next contract. But what will it cost in cap space. I would give Petry $6 million per without question but there is no way I would give more than $6.5 in a flat cap landscape that could last for 3-4 more seasons.
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Post by Tankdriver on Sept 15, 2020 21:33:49 GMT -5
Would you guys sign tyson barrie? I see him as a younger Jeff Petry before he arrived in Montreal? Then you trade Petry?
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Post by GNick99 on Sept 15, 2020 22:39:33 GMT -5
Way Bazral played this playoff strong chance he gets offersheeted.
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Post by GNick99 on Sept 15, 2020 23:04:41 GMT -5
Be a Game 6! Watched right to end. Be cheering hard for Isles. Love to see them upset Tampa. David vs Goliath
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Post by GNick99 on Sept 15, 2020 23:06:45 GMT -5
Would you guys sign tyson barrie? I see him as a younger Jeff Petry before he arrived in Montreal? Then you trade Petry? Don't know? I was angling towards offer sheet Sergechev. I could make a mistake on Barrie. All those years in west. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Sept 16, 2020 10:50:10 GMT -5
Fun and weird fact: Three teams remaining. Three Russian starting goalies.
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Post by folatre on Sept 16, 2020 11:02:31 GMT -5
I had not thought about that. Maybe it will serve as a subliminal message for some GM picking in the top 10 of the upcoming draft.
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Post by jkr on Sept 16, 2020 14:13:47 GMT -5
Would you guys sign tyson barrie? I see him as a younger Jeff Petry before he arrived in Montreal? Then you trade Petry? I saw him a fair number of times (I live in Ontario). I wasn't impressed & the rumors here were that he wanted out. He wasn't producing as he did in Colorado. Once Babcock got the boot his play picked up. It's hard to say if he is on the down slide or he just couldn't play for Babcock. |
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Post by jkr on Sept 16, 2020 14:18:18 GMT -5
TB seems to really miss Point. He's missed two games in this series & they have lost both.
Does anybody know what the story is with Stamkos? He was skating with the team yesterday but is still not ready to play.
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Post by folatre on Sept 16, 2020 20:31:53 GMT -5
What in the world is Billy Guerin doing? Eric Stall for Marcus Johansson, yikes. I'm not saying this throws much of a lifeline to Buffalso, Staal is 35 years old and unless Cozens or Middlestadt are ready to be a second line NHL centre in 2021-22 the Sabres are not going to improve. But my God, look at what the Wild plans to utilize down the middle next season.
Did I miss the memo, is there a generational talent or two in the 2021 draft? Because it sure seems like Guerin is getting an early jump on orchestrating a serious tank.
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Post by PTH on Sept 16, 2020 22:10:26 GMT -5
What in the world is Billy Guerin doing? Eric Stall for Marcus Johansson, yikes. I'm not saying this throws much of a lifeline to Buffalso, Staal is 35 years old and unless Cozens or Middlestadt are ready to be a second line NHL centre in 2021-22 the Sabres are not going to improve. But my God, look at what the Wild plans to utilize down the middle next season. Did I miss the memo, is there a generational talent or two in the 2021 draft? Because it sure seems like Guerin is getting an early jump on orchestrating a serious tank. This probably kills off any idea of Domi to Buffalo, though |
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Post by seventeen on Sept 16, 2020 23:12:57 GMT -5
TB seems to really miss Point. He's missed two games in this series & they have lost both. Does anybody know what the story is with Stamkos? He was skating with the team yesterday but is still not ready to play. If I was a SC contender I'd be praying for the other team's top center to be injured. The Isles are benefiting hugely. They'd be done if Point was healthy. The Preds might have won the 2017 Cup if Johanson hadn't been hurt in the WCF. Canucks would have won the 2011 Cup if Kesler was healthy. And so on and so on. |
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Post by seventeen on Sept 16, 2020 23:14:38 GMT -5
What in the world is Billy Guerin doing? Eric Stall for Marcus Johansson, yikes. I'm not saying this throws much of a lifeline to Buffalso, Staal is 35 years old and unless Cozens or Middlestadt are ready to be a second line NHL centre in 2021-22 the Sabres are not going to improve. But my God, look at what the Wild plans to utilize down the middle next season. Did I miss the memo, is there a generational talent or two in the 2021 draft? Because it sure seems like Guerin is getting an early jump on orchestrating a serious tank. Production and talent aside (they're both UFA's after next season), Minny gets younger and faster. Johansen has played centre before, though a contending team would have him on the wing. |
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Post by PTH on Sept 17, 2020 2:42:52 GMT -5
What in the world is Billy Guerin doing? Eric Stall for Marcus Johansson, yikes. I'm not saying this throws much of a lifeline to Buffalso, Staal is 35 years old and unless Cozens or Middlestadt are ready to be a second line NHL centre in 2021-22 the Sabres are not going to improve. But my God, look at what the Wild plans to utilize down the middle next season. Did I miss the memo, is there a generational talent or two in the 2021 draft? Because it sure seems like Guerin is getting an early jump on orchestrating a serious tank. Production and talent aside (they're both UFA's after next season), Minny gets younger and faster. Johansen has played centre before, though a contending team would have him on the wing. I figure this means Minny will consider re-signing Johansen, and Buffalo is hoping Staal can mentor Eichel to a certain extent... |
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Post by Tankdriver on Sept 17, 2020 8:17:38 GMT -5
Yeah, I see this as a mentoring the team aspect for Buffalo. It's a 30 yr old for a 35 yr old trade. Kind of a "push" outcome for me. And I don't think it hurts Minnesota or that they are trying to tank...they signed Brodin 7*6 , they have Suter and Parise locked in long term. They are pulling a Bergervin and doing more a retool. I'd do a Dumba for Domi and Kulak deal.
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Post by Willie Dog on Sept 17, 2020 10:52:01 GMT -5
Yeah, I see this as a mentoring the team aspect for Buffalo. It's a 30 yr old for a 35 yr old trade. Kind of a "push" outcome for me. And I don't think it hurts Minnesota or that they are trying to tank...they signed Brodin 7*6 , they have Suter and Parise locked in long term. They are pulling a Bergervin and doing more a retool. I'd do a Dumba for Domi and Kulak deal. If MB hadn't gotten Ed... then this would be good... |
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Post by Tankdriver on Sept 17, 2020 11:31:59 GMT -5
Yeah, I see this as a mentoring the team aspect for Buffalo. It's a 30 yr old for a 35 yr old trade. Kind of a "push" outcome for me. And I don't think it hurts Minnesota or that they are trying to tank...they signed Brodin 7*6 , they have Suter and Parise locked in long term. They are pulling a Bergervin and doing more a retool. I'd do a Dumba for Domi and Kulak deal. If MB hadn't gotten Ed... then this would be good... But then you could turn Petry or Weber into something else. I'm not saying that will happen but a Nylander/Weber swap would make sense for both teams. I would prefer Marner...but I don't think that has a chance. The problem is that Dumba is RD....so that would put him 3rd on the list unless he or Petry can play on the off side...That would be a nice pairing and make for a great top 4. I could get behind a Dumba, Weber, Petry, Romanov, Edmunson, Chariot back end. Lots of money, but it's not like our coaches like to play an offensive game. |
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Post by folatre on Sept 17, 2020 13:24:34 GMT -5
Yeah, I doubt Buffalo is focused on Domi anymore. Adams must have figured all they really needed was a cheaper stop gap measure at 2C for upcoming season. With one more year of seasoning, he must figure that Mittelstadt or Cozens will be ready to take over down the line.
I certainly believe, if Domi prefers an opportunity playing centre with a new coach, that Bergevin will not lack for partners to do a Domi deal. The Rangers, Minnesota, San Jose, and Winnipeg are in the market. It may not be a huge surprise if Pittsburgh continues to monitor the situation.
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Post by jkr on Sept 17, 2020 14:22:18 GMT -5
I'm curious about the mentorship angle mentioned about the Steal to Buffalo deal. Eichel will be 24 in a month with 5 seasons behind him. He's a top class player now that averages close to a PPG.
I don't think he needs much mentorship. He needs team mates that can help him get to the playoffs. He has to be one of the best players in the league who has yet to play a playoff game. How long will it be before he gets tired of the Pegulas and their penny pinching?
He's got 6 years left of a massive deal - a 10 million$ cap hit with a NMC that doesn't kick in until 2022.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Sept 17, 2020 16:40:05 GMT -5
(Poehling I'd move if the return was good) Keep this thought ... Cheers. |
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