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Post by PTH on Sept 17, 2020 16:46:32 GMT -5
I'm curious about the mentorship angle mentioned about the Steal to Buffalo deal. Eichel will be 24 in a month with 5 seasons behind him. He's a top class player now that averages close to a PPG. I don't think he needs much mentorship. He needs team mates that can help him get to the playoffs. He has to be one of the best players in the league who has yet to play a playoff game. How long will it be before he gets tired of the Pegulas and their penny pinching? He's got 6 years left of a massive deal - a 10 million$ cap hit with a NMC that doesn't kick in until 2022. Well, he can be productive and yet need mentorship - someone who can show him how to win. The sacrifices you have to make (blocking shots, backchecking, spending minutes on the PK and fewer on the PP, etc) if you want to be a winner. Guys like Yzerman were better players later in their careers when they learned to play a well-rounded game rather than racking up the points. I remember a story by Subban about Markov being ticked off at him taking an offensive risk with 5 minutes to go in a 1-goal game: a dominant kid might be so used to getting away with it, and coaches can't bench a ppg without fans going nuts about it (see Subban, PK). But a guy like Eichel might well listen to a guy who was a dominant #1 center just like him, and who played all game situations - and won a Cup thanks to it. |
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Post by PTH on Sept 17, 2020 16:51:16 GMT -5
I'd do a Dumba for Domi and Kulak deal. That kind of a deal kind of requires a followup deal of Petry for a winger, though, since adding a 3d top 4 RD isn't going to help us out much. And as others have stated, building the team around 2 highly-paid, older RD isn't likely a winning scenario. I'd look into that option myself, if Petry is even talking about more than a 3 year deal. He's already got some hot and cold streaks, and those cold ones are pretty brutal... I still think we should have moved Petry a year ago, with maximum retention, for a king's ransom. A top 4D for 2.75M for 2 playoff runs ? Someone would have overpaid for that, for sure. I still think Petry to Toronto (close to hometown Detroit) makes too much sense... EDIT: the problem though is needing 2 consecutive moves that require the other to form a coherent whole. Moving Petry without adding a RD, or adding the RD without moving Petry or Weber, doesn't improve us much. And he's where I think Bergevin thinks too much like a middle manager and not a visionary: if he could move Domi and Kulak for Dumba, and move Petry for a winger, even if both deals weren't clear wins, heck, even if both were ties at best, the team could win overall by fixing a structural problem and making Weber's inevitable decline easier to handle. But that means no longer trying to win each deal outright. |
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Post by CentreHice on Sept 17, 2020 21:20:55 GMT -5
Pretty much OT now in Game 6.
Varlamov must be doing the job....Isles outshot 37-19.
EDIT: Isles starting OT killing-off about 3:40 of a double-minor to Greene. Inadvertent/unintentional high-stick on Kucherov...but it's a penalty.
Tampa better win it here...or all bets are off.
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Post by Willie Dog on Sept 17, 2020 21:46:18 GMT -5
Pretty much OT now in Game 6. Varlamov must be doing the job....Isles outshot 37-19. EDIT: Isles starting OT killing-off about 3:40 of a double-minor to Greene. Inadvertent/unintentional high-stick on Kucherov...but it's a penalty. Tampa better win it here...or all bets are off. How does the same player get 2 over the glass penalty in an elimination game... |
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Post by Willie Dog on Sept 17, 2020 21:48:56 GMT -5
I'm curious about the mentorship angle mentioned about the Steal to Buffalo deal. Eichel will be 24 in a month with 5 seasons behind him. He's a top class player now that averages close to a PPG. I don't think he needs much mentorship. He needs team mates that can help him get to the playoffs. He has to be one of the best players in the league who has yet to play a playoff game. How long will it be before he gets tired of the Pegulas and their penny pinching? He's got 6 years left of a massive deal - a 10 million$ cap hit with a NMC that doesn't kick in until 2022. Well, he can be productive and yet need mentorship - someone who can show him how to win. The sacrifices you have to make (blocking shots, backchecking, spending minutes on the PK and fewer on the PP, etc) if you want to be a winner. Guys like Yzerman were better players later in their careers when they learned to play a well-rounded game rather than racking up the points. I remember a story by Subban about Markov being ticked off at him taking an offensive risk with 5 minutes to go in a 1-goal game: a dominant kid might be so used to getting away with it, and coaches can't bench a ppg without fans going nuts about it (see Subban, PK). But a guy like Eichel might well listen to a guy who was a dominant #1 center just like him, and who played all game situations - and won a Cup thanks to it. He won a cup because of Justin Williams high stick... I'm not still pissed about it... no I'm not... really!!! |
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Post by Boston_Habs on Sept 17, 2020 21:59:41 GMT -5
Sergachev is a beast.
That trade is going to haunt us. You need elite guys to win and Sergachev is an elite talent.
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Post by CentreHice on Sept 17, 2020 22:20:04 GMT -5
Should be a rough final.
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Post by jkr on Sept 18, 2020 6:55:05 GMT -5
Pretty much OT now in Game 6. Varlamov must be doing the job....Isles outshot 37-19. EDIT: Isles starting OT killing-off about 3:40 of a double-minor to Greene. Inadvertent/unintentional high-stick on Kucherov...but it's a penalty. Tampa better win it here...or all bets are off. For the 2nd straight game TB blows a 4 minute PP that carries over into overtime. In fact, they almost lose as Nelson gets a shorthanded breakaway but was stopped by Vasilevsky. Now they only get one day off??? then on to the Finals on Saturday. |
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Post by jkr on Sept 18, 2020 6:57:04 GMT -5
Sergachev is a beast. That trade is going to haunt us. You need elite guys to win and Sergachev is an elite talent. One third of the Tampa defense is actually the result of two lousy Habs trades, Srgachev & McDonagh. |
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Post by GNick99 on Sept 18, 2020 7:17:32 GMT -5
Tampa in 5 I predict.
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Post by Andrew on Sept 18, 2020 11:02:31 GMT -5
Despite my dislike for Tampa as a division rival it would have felt wrong if a team as stacked as they are couldn't make the finals. I don't particularly like either team but will be pulling for Dallas. Still have a soft spot for Radulov, and would be good to see vets like Benn and Pavelski win a cup.
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Post by frozone on Sept 18, 2020 11:27:18 GMT -5
Despite my dislike for Tampa as a division rival it would have felt wrong if a team as stacked as they are couldn't make the finals. I don't particularly like either team but will be pulling for Dallas. Still have a soft spot for Radulov, and would be good to see vets like Benn and Pavelski win a cup. Agreed on all accounts. If Tampa wins, the only saving grace for me is that I'm a big fan of Cooper as a coach. Maybe not so much on a personal level, but on a conceptual level. He's proof that one doesn't need to be a Babcock to be a good NHL coach and a leader of professional athletes. He's like the NHL's version of Steve Kerr. I'm not surprised at all that his team has bounced back so convincingly after last year's embarrassing exit. |
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Post by seventeen on Sept 18, 2020 14:14:06 GMT -5
Despite my dislike for Tampa as a division rival it would have felt wrong if a team as stacked as they are couldn't make the finals. I don't particularly like either team but will be pulling for Dallas. Still have a soft spot for Radulov, and would be good to see vets like Benn and Pavelski win a cup. Agreed on all accounts. If Tampa wins, the only saving grace for me is that I'm a big fan of Cooper as a coach. Maybe not so much on a personal level, but on a conceptual level. He's proof that one doesn't need to be a Babcock to be a good NHL coach and a leader of professional athletes. He's like the NHL's version of Steve Kerr. I'm not surprised at all that his team has bounced back so convincingly after last year's embarrassing exit. Your comment is interesting and there are a lot of Hab fans who (politely stated) aren't Cooper fans as a person. And yet....so many tweets from people I respect (John Shannon for one) say some really great things about Cooper's character and the kind of person he is. He is certainly respected as a coach and I would bet that some of the players on that team have taken a bit less than they could get elsewhere, because of the respect they have for Cooper. I've heard Cooper say some things in interviews that made me raise my eyebrows, but it's not as if he was wrong or spiteful. Brutally honest perhaps and the bluntness of such comments have a tendency to not go over well, at least at first. BTW, I'm still ticked at the Canes Cup win and always will be. We had them by the short hairs and then Williams got away with assault. |
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Post by frozone on Sept 19, 2020 9:07:40 GMT -5
Agreed on all accounts. If Tampa wins, the only saving grace for me is that I'm a big fan of Cooper as a coach. Maybe not so much on a personal level, but on a conceptual level. He's proof that one doesn't need to be a Babcock to be a good NHL coach and a leader of professional athletes. He's like the NHL's version of Steve Kerr. I'm not surprised at all that his team has bounced back so convincingly after last year's embarrassing exit. Your comment is interesting and there are a lot of Hab fans who (politely stated) aren't Cooper fans as a person. And yet....so many tweets from people I respect (John Shannon for one) say some really great things about Cooper's character and the kind of person he is. He is certainly respected as a coach and I would bet that some of the players on that team have taken a bit less than they could get elsewhere, because of the respect they have for Cooper. I've heard Cooper say some things in interviews that made me raise my eyebrows, but it's not as if he was wrong or spiteful. Brutally honest perhaps and the bluntness of such comments have a tendency to not go over well, at least at first. BTW, I'm still ticked at the Canes Cup win and always will be. We had them by the short hairs and then Williams got away with assault. Earlier on, I thought he was just kinda smug. He really started to grow on me the more I've listened to him in interviews. He's definitely honest in his sound bites, but he never pretends to know all the answers. If anything, he'll go out of his way to state that he's still learning and evolving with the team, which reminds me a lot of Kerr (and Nick Nurse too for that matter). They all kinda have a similar manner and a flexible approach to people management without being a complete pushover. In contrast, the MT's and Babcocks of the league wouldn't be caught dead admitting that they're still learnin. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Sept 19, 2020 21:45:53 GMT -5
Wow .. Stars take down Bolts 4-1...
Looks like Khudobin played light out in the 3rd... faced 22 shots
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Post by GNick99 on Sept 20, 2020 6:54:01 GMT -5
Wow .. Stars take down Bolts 4-1... Looks like Khudobin played light out in the 3rd... faced 22 shots If they beat Tampa be a surprise to me. Tampa beat a good team in Boston, then well coached team in Isles. But I hope Dallas wins. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Sept 20, 2020 10:11:54 GMT -5
I see ex-Hab and journeyman player, Joel Hanley, scored the opening goal last night ... Cheers.  |
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Post by jkr on Sept 20, 2020 11:17:55 GMT -5
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Post by Cranky on Sept 20, 2020 13:48:16 GMT -5
I watched Radulov go in and create havoc for one of the Dallas goal. He didn't get the goal or an assist but without him, there is no goal.
Just another day of blood pressure going up because we got a clown of a GM. That he lost Radulov and signed the fence post called Alzner for 5 years makes him worse then Houle.
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Post by Willie Dog on Sept 20, 2020 17:55:24 GMT -5
Just another day of blood pressure going up because we got a clown of a GM. That he lost Radulov and signed the fence post called Alzner for 5 years makes him worse then Houle. That is not in doubt... he is worse than houle |
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Post by GNick99 on Sept 24, 2020 8:07:42 GMT -5
Blues really dropped the ball to me. Why Faulk and Scandella with full blown retail contracts, then nickel and dime Pietrangelo? Common sense tells me he is going to want full salary after seeing those 2 signings. Must be something about Pietrangelo I don't know of. |
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Post by jkr on Sept 24, 2020 8:46:31 GMT -5
I agree Nick. The extension that I really don't understand is Scandella. They couldn't find a replacement for him? Wait until they try to replace Pietrangelo. He should have been the priority.
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Post by GNick99 on Sept 26, 2020 5:53:04 GMT -5
Tampa a win away. They have team reminds me of '76 Canadiens or '02 Wings. Bolts have that Big 3 on blueline, a solid Dryden type in net with firepower up front. Good head coach.
They have advantage. With parity doesn't take much to achieve. We had advantage of french Canadian players, Wings had advantage drafting Russians early.
Three of Conference finalist have tax advantages. Only exceptions are Islanders.
League never addressed in new CBA. Bolts likely to achieve dynasty. Go on 3 or 4 year Cups run.
Don't think will see Canadian team win Cup in our lifetime. Unless it is a 1 shot fluke. A Smith shoots puck into own net, combined with a Penney type goaltending run. But not a sustained Cup contender. It is tied to tv contracts with major US networks.
Canucks/ Vegas ratings in USA terribly low compared to Flyers/ Islanders. I just looked at Game 7 ratings though.
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Post by Willie Dog on Sept 26, 2020 7:18:01 GMT -5
The stanley cup final no one cares about... the NHL is going up against the NBA, the NFL and the US election... I wonder what Rogers losses are like so far....
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Post by franko on Sept 26, 2020 9:21:26 GMT -5
The stanley cup final no one cares about... the NHL is going up against the NBA, the NFL and the US election... I wonder what Rogers losses are like so far.... it's still going on? honestly, I woke up this morning and thought "hey I think there was a game last night, I should find out who won" . . . and quickly forgot about it. bring on the pre-season! |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Sept 26, 2020 9:44:10 GMT -5
The stanley cup final no one cares about... the NHL is going up against the NBA, the NFL and the US election... I wonder what Rogers losses are like so far.... I care, because two stud defenders that we drafted 9th and 12th overall a bunch of years apart are about to lift the Cup down the road from me. They both combined for a whopping total of 4 NHL games (all Sergachev) in Habs colours when the two GMs moved them for offensive depth. I will be happy for both of them achieving their dream if and when it happens. Timmins drafted both, so the picks were way better than the trades!! I don’t care enough to watch the entire games though. I saw the score as 4-4 late in the third so flipped it on just to see how it ended. Corey Perry sure has become a dirty player. The hook up between the legs from behind into the guy’s tender parts was brutal...and the refs made it an even up call due to embellishment. There will also be lots of debate on the Benn call that lead to the winning PP goal in OT. Tampa is a very well built team. Dallas is too. Their top guys (dare I say their stars lol) are just MIA for a lot of this series. Both those teams have numerous forwards and defenders better than anyone in the Habs lineup. Berg should be taking better notes. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Sept 26, 2020 9:46:37 GMT -5
The stanley cup final no one cares about... the NHL is going up against the NBA, the NFL and the US election... I wonder what Rogers losses are like so far.... it's still going on? honestly, I woke up this morning and thought "hey I think there was a game last night, I should find out who won" . . . and quickly forgot about it. bring on the pre-season! And bring on the draft...this is taking forever! |
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Post by jkr on Sept 26, 2020 13:17:52 GMT -5
The stanley cup final no one cares about... the NHL is going up against the NBA, the NFL and the US election... I wonder what Rogers losses are like so far.... I care, because two stud defenders that we drafted 9th and 12th overall a bunch of years apart are about to lift the Cup down the road from me. They both combined for a whopping total of 4 NHL games (all Sergachev) in Habs colours when the two GMs moved them for offensive depth. I will be happy for both of them achieving their dream if and when it happens. Timmins drafted both, so the picks were way better than the trades!! I don’t care enough to watch the entire games though. I saw the score as 4-4 late in the third so flipped it on just to see how it ended. Corey Perry sure has become a dirty player. The hook up between the legs from behind into the guy’s tender parts was brutal...and the refs made it an even up call due to embellishment. There will also be lots of debate on the Benn call that lead to the winning PP goal in OT. Tampa is a very well built team. Dallas is too. Their top guys (dare I say their stars lol) are just MIA for a lot of this series. Both those teams have numerous forwards and defenders better than anyone in the Habs lineup. Berg should be taking better notes. You mention that McDonagh & Sergachev were traded for offensive depth but I guess, like most of us, you are too depressed to mention the names - Scott Gomez & Jonathan Drouin. Gomez stopped playing 4 years ago. Drouin shows up now and then. |
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Post by drkcloud on Sept 26, 2020 21:22:00 GMT -5
Sergachev with the go-ahead and possible Stanley Cup winning goal
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Post by GNick99 on Sept 27, 2020 7:37:15 GMT -5
The stanley cup final no one cares about... the NHL is going up against the NBA, the NFL and the US election... I wonder what Rogers losses are like so far.... Actually, Game 7, Isles and Flyers, had higher ratings than 2 NBA playoff games. In USA of course. But I only searched one night's ratings. Makes one wonder thou, because NBA have 3 big USA tv contracts. For 2.5 billion. Quite a contrast from our 100 million from NBC. If hockey could dramatic increase be good for teams. Like to see what hockey gets next year. Could play out many ways. They say no bubble next season though. Looking at the ratings thou, all Fox News, CNN, etc... significant jump in ratings since Covid. I imagine riots, election in states along with Covid is why. |
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He turns 31 in January so I wonder how many teams are interested in offering a 7 year deal.
