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Post by GNick99 on Sept 28, 2020 7:43:25 GMT -5
Chance game 6 is last game we see for awhile. Covid numbers are increasing and they say no way they can play a season in a bubble. They say they only did the bubble to get the playoff tv money.
I think our only way out is a vaccine.
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Post by CentreHice on Sept 28, 2020 22:10:37 GMT -5
Even with no fans in the stands, I could've sworn I heard Bettman get booed.  Congrats to the Bolts. One strong team. Won it all without their difference-maker captain. |
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Post by seventeen on Sept 28, 2020 22:23:18 GMT -5
Marc, meet Mikhail, Stanley Cup champion. 😇
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Post by Willie Dog on Sept 29, 2020 8:58:33 GMT -5
Marc, meet Mikhail, Stanley Cup champion. 😇 Berg missed the game... He was looking in the mirror.... Sergachev.... Sigh... |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Sept 29, 2020 11:27:44 GMT -5
Oops, forgot the game was on. Missed the mug being handed over. Oh well.
Congrats Tampa. A well built team that played well throughout.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Sept 29, 2020 11:30:05 GMT -5
Chance game 6 is last game we see for awhile. Covid numbers are increasing and they say no way they can play a season in a bubble. They say they only did the bubble to get the playoff tv money. I think our only way out is a vaccine. Yeah, I have no idea how they start next season with all the logistic challenges. Closed borders. Lots of team movement. Hoping for some gate revenue. Pipe dream of an 82 game season. |
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Post by Boston_Habs on Sept 29, 2020 12:48:42 GMT -5
Marc, meet Mikhail, Stanley Cup champion. 😇 Berg missed the game... He was looking in the mirror.... Sergachev.... Sigh... What a run for Tampa and what a great trade for the Bolts. First they have the surplus of forwards to be able to use Drouin as currency and then they snag an absolute beast in Sergachev. Plus the guy who made Drouin expendable, Brayden Point, was probably the best forward in the entire playoffs. And then you read nonsense from people like Arpon Basu in the Athletic saying "there's no guarantee Sergachev would have been as good in Montreal." I'm so sick of hearing that as an excuse/apology for a trade that has been a disaster for the Habs. OF COURSE you never know exactly what would have happened. Every player's success is in part a product of his environment and circumstances. But you can't just hang your hat on that. The fact is that Sergachev is a stud in Tampa and Drouin is a bust in MTL.... and that really sucks. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Sept 29, 2020 13:08:25 GMT -5
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Post by folatre on Sept 29, 2020 19:19:30 GMT -5
I know it is not entirely surprising, but it felt weird hearing on sportsnet that Lundqvist is to be bought out by New York. He could be a cheap option for a contender if the missing piece is a 1B veteran goalie, perhaps Colorado gets involved.
Or maybe the King wants to move back home to Sweden, play a season or two with Frolunda, and enjoy family life there.
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Post by seventeen on Sept 30, 2020 0:14:46 GMT -5
Oops, forgot the game was on. Missed the mug being handed over. Oh well. Congrats Tampa. A well built team that played well throughout. I knew the game was on. I caught 5 seconds of it when I checked the score. Just not interested. |
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Post by seventeen on Sept 30, 2020 0:17:16 GMT -5
I know it is not entirely surprising, but it felt weird hearing on sportsnet that Lundqvist is to be bought out by New York. He could be a cheap option for a contender if the missing piece is a 1B veteran goalie, perhaps Colorado gets involved. Or maybe the King wants to move back home to Sweden, play a season or two with Frolunda, and enjoy family life there. Would you prefer him at $1-2MM per year instead of Allen? I doubt money plays a role in his life anymore and he might have enjoyed playing backup to Price. Is he better or worse than Allen? Too late now, of course. just speculating. |
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Post by franko on Sept 30, 2020 6:03:07 GMT -5
forgot about it totally. this in spades. normally if I don't care about the teams in the finals I'll tune in because it's the finals. this year . . . pass. the finals going to June is bad enough. September is for training camp and pre-season. |
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Post by jkr on Sept 30, 2020 7:10:37 GMT -5
Berg missed the game... He was looking in the mirror.... Sergachev.... Sigh... What a run for Tampa and what a great trade for the Bolts. First they have the surplus of forwards to be able to use Drouin as currency and then they snag an absolute beast in Sergachev. Plus the guy who made Drouin expendable, Brayden Point, was probably the best forward in the entire playoffs. And then you read nonsense from people like Arpon Basu in the Athletic saying "there's no guarantee Sergachev would have been as good in Montreal." I'm so sick of hearing that as an excuse/apology for a trade that has been a disaster for the Habs. OF COURSE you never know exactly what would have happened. Every player's success is in part a product of his environment and circumstances. But you can't just hang your hat on that. The fact is that Sergachev is a stud in Tampa and Drouin is a bust in MTL.... and that really sucks. It's such a lazy argument that could be applied to any one in the league. How about some in depth analysis of stats & situations. Sure, we don't know how Sergachev would have fared in MTL. But we do know what Drouin is doing for the Habs, which isn't much. It's the kind of reporting I would expect from an older reporter like Hickey for example, not a youngish guy like Basu. |
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Post by Tankdriver on Sept 30, 2020 10:36:55 GMT -5
I know it is not entirely surprising, but it felt weird hearing on sportsnet that Lundqvist is to be bought out by New York. He could be a cheap option for a contender if the missing piece is a 1B veteran goalie, perhaps Colorado gets involved. Or maybe the King wants to move back home to Sweden, play a season or two with Frolunda, and enjoy family life there. Yeah I am wondering what NYR have up their sleeve... Could they be making a run at Pieterangelo or Hall? |
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Post by folatre on Sept 30, 2020 11:55:30 GMT -5
For sure, history would say the Rangers will be active with top UFAs and they have a huge amount of cap space. Plus, it is probably safe to say they are not a club that will impose their own internal cash cap.
But I am not quite sure about the fit with Hall or Pietrangelo. New York is deep on the right side of its defense and need help on the left. Maybe Fox or Deangelo could play the left side.
Likewise, maybe Hall can play right wing because the Rangers have Panarin, Kreider and Lafreniere on the left.
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Post by seventeen on Sept 30, 2020 12:28:53 GMT -5
What a run for Tampa and what a great trade for the Bolts. First they have the surplus of forwards to be able to use Drouin as currency and then they snag an absolute beast in Sergachev. Plus the guy who made Drouin expendable, Brayden Point, was probably the best forward in the entire playoffs. And then you read nonsense from people like Arpon Basu in the Athletic saying "there's no guarantee Sergachev would have been as good in Montreal." I'm so sick of hearing that as an excuse/apology for a trade that has been a disaster for the Habs. OF COURSE you never know exactly what would have happened. Every player's success is in part a product of his environment and circumstances. But you can't just hang your hat on that. The fact is that Sergachev is a stud in Tampa and Drouin is a bust in MTL.... and that really sucks. It's such a lazy argument that could be applied to any one in the league. How about some in depth analysis of stats & situations. Sure, we don't know how Sergachev would have fared in MTL. But we do know what Drouin is doing for the Habs, which isn't much. It's the kind of reporting I would expect from an older reporter like Hickey for example, not a youngish guy like Basu. Eric Engels had something similar going as well. Weird. Have some phone calls been made? Bottom line is that no one in their right mind would trade Sergachev for Drouin right now. End of Story. PS. I find it odd because both Basu and Engels have been critical of Bergevin in the past and are balanced journalists. Maybe they're into 'the other side of the story'. Nyet. This was a clear loss. I checked out the timelines and the Drouin trade was the beginning of a series of decisions, which could have turned out differently. Alzner was signed on July 1 (truly inexplicable given his trajectory and being benched by Washington) and then giving both Radulov and Markov their walking papers after that. My thinking is that Bergevin had already decided to turf Markov unless he agreed to a cheap contract and that's why he signed Alzner and I have no real idea what went on with the Radulov negotiations. I am never pleased when the someone distorts facts using technicalities. "I offered him the same contract". Sure. That's like offering a guy the same size oxygen tank but if he signs with you, he's 200 feet deeper than if he uses Dallas' tank. But there may have been other things of which we are not aware. I wish someone would enlighten us. |
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Post by jkr on Sept 30, 2020 12:38:15 GMT -5
I find that Engels is not worth reading anymore. Could he be any deeper in the club's pocket?
Is it now a crime to criticize the Canadiens?
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Post by seventeen on Sept 30, 2020 12:44:06 GMT -5
I find that Engels is not worth reading anymore. Could he be any deeper in the club's pocket? Is it now a crime to criticize the Canadiens? I always give these guys some leeway. Bergevin controls who gets access to the players, so in order to have access, a key part of both Engels' and Basu's job, you can't be brutally frank with your opinions. I suspect articles like the ones we're discussing are written to balance out the access bank book to placate Bergevin. Doesn't matter. Fans know which trades work out and which don't and the standings usually give away how well the GM is doing. Here's another clue. Consider how well the team would have done the last 8 years with just average goaltending. |
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Post by jkr on Sept 30, 2020 15:15:08 GMT -5
I hold these guys to a higher standard. Give us honest reporting & don't treat readers like morons that need to be spoon fed.
If Bergevin did a good job running the team, then he wouldn't need to worry about critics.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Sept 30, 2020 18:41:35 GMT -5
It's such a lazy argument that could be applied to any one in the league. How about some in depth analysis of stats & situations. Sure, we don't know how Sergachev would have fared in MTL. But we do know what Drouin is doing for the Habs, which isn't much. It's the kind of reporting I would expect from an older reporter like Hickey for example, not a youngish guy like Basu. Eric Engels had something similar going as well. Weird. Have some phone calls been made? Bottom line is that no one in their right mind would trade Sergachev for Drouin right now. End of Story. PS. I find it odd because both Basu and Engels have been critical of Bergevin in the past and are balanced journalists. Maybe they're into 'the other side of the story'. Nyet. This was a clear loss. I checked out the timelines and the Drouin trade was the beginning of a series of decisions, which could have turned out differently. Alzner was signed on July 1 (truly inexplicable given his trajectory and being benched by Washington) and then giving both Radulov and Markov their walking papers after that. My thinking is that Bergevin had already decided to turf Markov unless he agreed to a cheap contract and that's why he signed Alzner and I have no real idea what went on with the Radulov negotiations. I am never pleased when the someone distorts facts using technicalities. "I offered him the same contract". Sure. That's like offering a guy the same size oxygen tank but if he signs with you, he's 200 feet deeper than if he uses Dallas' tank. But there may have been other things of which we are not aware. I wish someone would enlighten us. To me, that has been the defining moment of the Bergevin era. More so than the Subban trade. The ripple effects from that summer have been huge. He deals away a stud blueline prospect for Drouin, a move that carried risk but certainly made sense in the context of the Habs coming off a year where they won the division but badly needed more scoring. But then he utterly blows the trade by letting Radulov and Markov walk. I believe the Drouin trade would have been available all summer. So the smart move was to sign Radulov first and then make the Drouin trade. He needed to do both. I don't know if he was (a) too confident that he could sign Radulov or (b) he didn't feel it was necessary. Either way, the results have been horrible. And the other thing I hear is "there's still time for Drouin". Really? The guy is 25 and has 349 regular season games and 33 playoff games under his belt. His PPG is 0.60 (around a 50-pt pace). How many guys with this amount of production over this many games in the better part of 6 seasons have suddenly made the jump from a 50-point guy to a 70-80 point guy? I'll let the stat geeks find some examples but I guarantee those are the exceptions and not the rule. I hope I'm wrong about the guy. |
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Post by folatre on Oct 1, 2020 9:35:41 GMT -5
Yeah, Basu's take on the Sergachev trade is dopey. These guys praise Weber at every chance they get so why is it that Sergachev in a Habs uniform playing next to Weber and being mentored by him would not have led to the kid developing into a stud in Montreal?
And if people want to make the argument that, well, there was a reasonable underlying logic behind Bergevin's decision (i.e. Habs needed a highly skilled forward) so it is not fair to say Bergevin is to blame. I would say that is kind of silly. Simply because there is a plausible explanation for why someone makes the decision they make does not render the outcome of their decision irrelevant or meaningless. If that is the case, then there is no reason to praise a decision maker when the outcome of a decision turns out to be positive.
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Post by Willie Dog on Oct 1, 2020 11:32:04 GMT -5
Yeah, Basu's take on the Sergachev trade is dopey. These guys praise Weber at every chance they get so why is it that Sergachev in a Habs uniform playing next to Weber and being mentored by him would not have led to the kid developing into a stud in Montreal? And if people want to make the argument that, well, there was a reasonable underlying logic behind Bergevin's decision (i.e. Habs needed a highly skilled forward) so it is not fair to say Bergevin is to blame. I would say that is kind of silly. Simply because there is a plausible explanation for why someone makes the decision they make does not render the outcome of their decision irrelevant or meaningless. If that is the case, then there is no reason to praise a decision maker when the outcome of a decision turns out to be positive. I agree... Bergevin is too blame... he made the trade... no one else... and there was plenty of evidence to show that Drouin lacked the character MB cherishes, values and banishes others for his perceived view that they lack said character... Why didn't red flags come up with Drouin? If he was from Moosejaw, would MB have made the trade? Would MB have given up so much for him... a 1st rounder and millions in cap relief? And then to sign him to the ridiculous contract right off the bat??? The logic MB used was flawed when deciding to give Tampa what he gave them. |
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Post by GNick99 on Oct 6, 2020 5:41:28 GMT -5
Bob Mac reporting Tampa aggressively trying to move salary. They must expect offer sheets to Sergechev, Cernak and Cirelli.
Only 4 untouchables McKenzie reporting. Stamkos not 1 of the 4? Not for us. But be major trade if he is moved.
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Post by folatre on Oct 6, 2020 9:18:14 GMT -5
Stamkos is like Price. They have full NMC, so Stamkos only moves if he wants to and I cannot fathom why he would want to leave.
I really pray Bergevin stays the heck away from Killorn, as well as Johnson for that matter. The Habs will be jammed up against the cap ceiling starting in 2021-22 so the last thing Bergevin should do is take veteran contracts with way too much term left on them.
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Post by Tankdriver on Oct 6, 2020 10:05:21 GMT -5
Agree! Those two are no go's for me. Too much money and term for so little production. I'd be tempted with Stamkos if the Bolt's hold back 1 to 2 million in cap space.
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Post by Willie Dog on Oct 6, 2020 11:49:19 GMT -5
If we hadn't signed Allen, we could have made a run at Sergachev and really put the screws to the bolts... force them to tie up 16+ mill in 2 D men
If MB wants Stamkos, tell Brisebois, trade us Stamkos for picks and retain salary or we offer sheet Sergachev..
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Post by PTH on Oct 6, 2020 12:13:09 GMT -5
If we hadn't signed Allen, we could have made a run at Sergachev and really put the screws to the bolts... force them to tie up 16+ mill in 2 D men If MB wants Stamkos, tell Brisebois, trade us Stamkos for picks and retain salary or we offer sheet Sergachev.. There are 31 teams in the league, it's hard to make turn it into a 1 on 1 relationship... we can offer sheet Sergachev, they match, and just move Stamkos elsewhere. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Oct 6, 2020 12:29:50 GMT -5
Stamkos is like Price. They have full NMC, so Stamkos only moves if he wants to and I cannot fathom why he would want to leave. I really pray Bergevin stays the heck away from Killorn, as well as Johnson for that matter. The Habs will be jammed up against the cap ceiling starting in 2021-22 so the last thing Bergevin should do is take veteran contracts with way too much term left on them. Yup, stay away from both those guys. Habs need to be done helping Tampa out of a mess. They have rings to show for it, and we have better hot dogs that nobody can access. |
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Post by PTH on Oct 6, 2020 12:33:13 GMT -5
Stamkos is like Price. They have full NMC, so Stamkos only moves if he wants to and I cannot fathom why he would want to leave. I really pray Bergevin stays the heck away from Killorn, as well as Johnson for that matter. The Habs will be jammed up against the cap ceiling starting in 2021-22 so the last thing Bergevin should do is take veteran contracts with way too much term left on them. Yup, stay away from both those guys. Habs need to be done helping Tampa out of a mess. They have rings to show for it, and we have better hot dogs that nobody can access. Someone on twitter was suggesting Johnson for a 2nd. I'm suggesting taking Johnson and a second for a bag of pucks. |
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Post by jkr on Oct 6, 2020 12:58:24 GMT -5
Someone actually wants to give up a good asset for an undersized 30 year old that has 4 years left at 5 million per?
You're absolutely right, they should be paying a team to take him off their hands.
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