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Post by blny on Nov 20, 2019 18:09:54 GMT -5
I think McElhinney is the only move that Babs was upset about. Babs had huge input on the roster. But doesn't the GM have the final say on roster moves? There was significant debate about the terms of Babs' contract when he signed. He stipulated having significant input on the roster. He was in the room on all decisions, I'm certain. |
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Post by jkr on Nov 20, 2019 18:15:25 GMT -5
But doesn't the GM have the final say on roster moves? There was significant debate about the terms of Babs' contract when he signed. He stipulated having significant input on the roster. He was in the room on all decisions, I'm certain. Seems like a odd way to run a team. There has to be a chain of command. I can see how a coach may have input but the final move should belong to the GM. |
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Post by blny on Nov 20, 2019 18:23:37 GMT -5
There was significant debate about the terms of Babs' contract when he signed. He stipulated having significant input on the roster. He was in the room on all decisions, I'm certain. Seems like a odd way to run a team. There has to be a chain of command. I can see how a coach may have input but the final move should belong to the GM. That was the underlying commentary at the time. He thought himself the AGM who coached. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 20, 2019 19:21:11 GMT -5
16 Babcock stories on sportsnet home pages... the best one is 'Homeless man outside Air Canada Centre reacts to Mike Babcock firing"
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Nov 20, 2019 19:39:06 GMT -5
What about the boy wonder, Dubas? He started the backup carousel by waiving McElhenny, he caved in to Nylander and he gave up their only forward with an edge - Kadri- for a dud like Barrie. He's got a lot to answer for. The organization seemed out of synch. Dubas’ moves left holes, and Babcock’s style did not seem to fit with the players or the lineup. Dubas should be peeking in the mirror though, he is not blameless by any means. |
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Post by folatre on Nov 20, 2019 20:07:10 GMT -5
Good point, NW. I think the disconnect between Dubas and Babcock was a lingering issue. It was year five for Babcock and, while he has had plenty of regular success in Toronto, he became expendable right now because the playoff success has proved elusive.
Keefe is a promising young coach, for sure. However, given the roster construction and cap constraints, it is hard to imagine they go on a big sustained run. They might win a game or two this week, but until Marner returns and the defense gets fixed, I just do not see how they manage to get off the playoff bubble after such a poor start.
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Post by jkr on Nov 20, 2019 20:43:11 GMT -5
Burke throwing some shade at Dubas. Well deserved I think.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 21, 2019 12:04:42 GMT -5
What about the boy wonder, Dubas? He started the backup carousel by waiving McElhenny, he caved in to Nylander and he gave up their only forward with an edge - Kadri- for a dud like Barrie. He's got a lot to answer for. The organization seemed out of synch. Dubas’ moves left holes, and Babcock’s style did not seem to fit with the players or the lineup. Dubas should be peeking in the mirror though, he is not blameless by any means. First Don Cherry is canned and now Mike Babcock and from what I've been reading the modern game has blown past both of them ... that said, replacing a hard-ass like Babcock with a 'new-age' coach in Sheldon Keefe kind of reminds me of when the organization fired Pat Burns and replaced him with Jacques Demers ... after Burns' iron-hand approach, Demers was a huge breath of fresh air to the rank and file, and I needn't remind you how that season went that year ... I'm not saying the Leafs will win the Cup, but a shift in the dressing room paradigm is probably what they need the most and Keefe will certainly help with that ... as for Kyle Dubas, well, he's spent his way into a corner and I'm hoping there aren't too many teams lining up to help him rectify that ... Cheers. |
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Post by Tankdriver on Nov 21, 2019 13:23:33 GMT -5
How about the 7 million owed to Marleau and had to trade a first rounder to get rid of? Was that Lamourello or Dubas?
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Post by blny on Nov 21, 2019 13:46:37 GMT -5
How about the 7 million owed to Marleau and had to trade a first rounder to get rid of? Was that Lamourello or Dubas? Carolina bought out the contract, so there's no dead money for the Leafs. The 2020 first round pick is conditional. Should the Leafs' pick land in the top ten, it moves to 2021. The contract was signed while Lou was still officially the GM. |
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Post by drkcloud on Nov 21, 2019 22:32:47 GMT -5
Canucks are 5 for 5 on the PP tonight. 3 assists for Quinn Hughes the mobile scoring LHD taken 4 picks after kotkaniemi
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Post by drkcloud on Nov 21, 2019 22:39:30 GMT -5
David Pastrnak gets to 20 goals for the Bruins. I wonder what it's like to get value in the late 1st round? We took Scherbak at 26 right after him at 25.
How's McCarron doing?
Bruins have lost three, 3!, in regulation. I wonder if they miss CJ
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 0:04:11 GMT -5
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Post by jkr on Nov 22, 2019 6:20:35 GMT -5
Surprised at how productive Brassard has been the last couple of weeks. Guess they aren't missing Tavares.  |
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Post by jkr on Nov 22, 2019 6:22:42 GMT -5
Well that was fun. The 6 game losing streak is over as the Leafs beat ARI 3-1. And I guess Barrie isn't going to ask for a trade now. He scored his 1st of the season.  |
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Post by blny on Nov 22, 2019 6:25:33 GMT -5
What's the over/under on Babs being the first guest on Cherry's podcast?
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Post by jkr on Nov 22, 2019 6:30:22 GMT -5
What's the over/under on Babs being the first guest on Cherry's podcast? Cherry won't have to pay him. I heard he's getting severance pay from the Leafs. |
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Post by blny on Nov 22, 2019 8:30:27 GMT -5
What's the over/under on Babs being the first guest on Cherry's podcast? Cherry won't have to pay him. I heard he's getting severance pay from the Leafs. LOL. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 22, 2019 18:34:45 GMT -5
What's the over/under on Babs being the first guest on Cherry's podcast? I bet it's Orr |
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Post by blny on Nov 22, 2019 18:52:54 GMT -5
What's the over/under on Babs being the first guest on Cherry's podcast? I bet it's Orr Almost assuredly. |
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Post by franko on Nov 22, 2019 19:11:22 GMT -5
Where's CH? He'll love the stories they swap about their good-old-days together. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 22, 2019 23:46:37 GMT -5
Canucks are 5 for 5 on the PP tonight. 3 assists for Quinn Hughes the mobile scoring LHD taken 4 picks after kotkaniemi I actually like the way that reads ... I remember being firmly in the Filip Zadina camp right up until about week or so before the draft ... a lot of pre-draft chatter was about the Habs drafting a centre so when they passed over Zadina and selected Jesperi Kotkaniemi I was kind of ready for it ... by the way, Zadina is starting the year in Grand Rapids * ... Cheers. |
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Post by franko on Nov 23, 2019 11:33:32 GMT -5
so are they back to clearing the parade route in Toronto? 1 in a row, so they're well on their way.
heck they could have been going after their third in a row if it hadn't been for Babcock!
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Post by seventeen on Nov 25, 2019 1:03:36 GMT -5
Sheldon Keefe has a decent coaching record and never underestimate the relief factor when a ‘tyrant’ is deposed. The question to me is if Keefe can keep it going all year long. The relief only lasts so long.
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Post by folatre on Nov 25, 2019 23:17:40 GMT -5
There are a tonne of injuries around the league. Pittsburgh, among other clubs, has had it way harder than Montreal in this regard. Julien may want to stop referencing injuries after shameful losses because it just sounds like he is out of answers and grasping at excuses.
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Post by jkr on Nov 26, 2019 8:24:11 GMT -5
Sheldon Keefe has a decent coaching record and never underestimate the relief factor when a ‘tyrant’ is deposed. The question to me is if Keefe can keep it going all year long. The relief only lasts so long. This is probably just the bounce you get when a me coach comes in. All the negative stuff about Babcock that's out now reminds me of the crap that comes out after star players are moved. The problem with this, for the Leafs, is that if the rumors are true teams may be reluctant to hire him. Then they are on the hook for that huge salary. |
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Post by CentreHice on Nov 26, 2019 12:45:43 GMT -5
Now that Babcock's been fired by "Canada's Team", will "Team Canada" change it up as well?
His bank account's set for life, but has the lustre worn off the image somewhat?
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 27, 2019 20:42:48 GMT -5
Amazing, we get our asses handed to us by the Bs and the Sens are outshooting the Bs 24 to 10 at the end of the 2nd and no goals by either team
We're worse than the Sens...
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Post by jkr on Nov 28, 2019 9:03:13 GMT -5
This seems to be the season of the big lead that is never safe. The Canucks led Pitt early in the 3rd 6-3. The Pens score six in the 3rd period & win 8-6.
In Nashville Pacioretty ties it with less than a second on the clock ( after the officials added one second following an icing). Knights win in OT.
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Post by The Habitual Fan on Nov 28, 2019 12:54:37 GMT -5
This seems to be the season of the big lead that is never safe. The Canucks led Pitt early in the 3rd 6-3. The Pens score six in the 3rd period & win 8-6. In Nashville Pacioretty ties it with less than a second on the clock ( after the officials added one second following an icing). Knights win in OT. Funny and not one word about firing the coach, the current GM is the reason the team has never won cup, Pettersson should be in the AHL and the inept management has somehow ruined Boeser's development. |
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