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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 5, 2019 13:42:25 GMT -5
... wonder what the problem is here ... ... GP29 G8 A7 Pts15 PIM30 * (all minors) ... 3rd leading scorer on a team that can't score. Clearly something going on. Perhaps he vented, or did something the coaches didn't like. The 30 minutes is sort of on par for him. He takes his share of minors. I was posting with some Dallas fans on Twitter and they're pretty frustrated with him ... it's not so much the penalties, but the timing of those penalties that is the problem ... he's 33 and still an elite talent when he applies himself ... Cheers. |
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Post by blny on Dec 5, 2019 16:02:37 GMT -5
3rd leading scorer on a team that can't score. Clearly something going on. Perhaps he vented, or did something the coaches didn't like. The 30 minutes is sort of on par for him. He takes his share of minors. I was posting with some Dallas fans on Twitter and they're pretty frustrated with him ... it's not so much the penalties, but the timing of those penalties that is the problem ... he's 33 and still an elite talent when he applies himself ... Cheers. There's no doubt he can exhibit that malcontent aloof attitude that is famous with Russians. He's got 2 more years on his deal. I'd take him back in a heartbeat, but he's got a NMC this year (modified in the last 2) and it's unlikely Berg would revisit. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 5, 2019 16:47:18 GMT -5
I was posting with some Dallas fans on Twitter and they're pretty frustrated with him ... it's not so much the penalties, but the timing of those penalties that is the problem ... he's 33 and still an elite talent when he applies himself ... Cheers. There's no doubt he can exhibit that malcontent aloof attitude that is famous with Russians. He's got 2 more years on his deal. I'd take him back in a heartbeat, but he's got a NMC this year (modified in the last 2) and it's unlikely Berg would revisit. I'd be lying to you if I said I hadn't thought about it, too ... I really do think he'd be a good fit in Montreal and he has a lot to offer younger players just on his knowledge of the game ... like you suggested, though, I doubt Marc Bergevin would revisit that ... Cheers. |
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Post by Tankdriver on Dec 5, 2019 16:55:54 GMT -5
If money and cap wasn't an issue, I'd love to have PK and Radu back on this team at this moment. Would definetly increase the talent level.
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Post by blny on Dec 5, 2019 17:08:13 GMT -5
If money and cap wasn't an issue, I'd love to have PK and Radu back on this team at this moment. Would definetly increase the talent level. I love PK, but his body is failing him. He's gone something like 15 games without a point too. RHD is not an issue for us. If you move Petry in a trade, to make room for him, I don't think you're necessarily better off at this point in time. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 5, 2019 22:49:19 GMT -5
If money and cap wasn't an issue, I'd love to have PK and Radu back on this team at this moment. Would definetly increase the talent level. I love PK, but his body is failing him. He's gone something like 15 games without a point too. RHD is not an issue for us. If you move Petry in a trade, to make room for him, I don't think you're necessarily better off at this point in time. I think PK Subban might still have a bit of the old magic but I'm getting the impression that his best years are probably behind him now ... I used sometimes think of Subban coming back to Montreal at the deadline for a playoff run in the final year of his contract ... but the reality is that Marc Bergevin would never allow it ... I thought about Alex Radulov earlier today and I'd like to think there'd be spot for him in Montreal ... he'd change the whole dynamic of the team ... the guy was an on-ice general the last time he was in Montreal ... would be nice to expose some of our youthful players to a veteran like him ... Bergevin has the cap space and assets ... Cheers. |
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Post by blny on Dec 6, 2019 9:59:11 GMT -5
I love PK, but his body is failing him. He's gone something like 15 games without a point too. RHD is not an issue for us. If you move Petry in a trade, to make room for him, I don't think you're necessarily better off at this point in time. I think PK Subban might still have a bit of the old magic but I'm getting the impression that his best years are probably behind him now ... I used sometimes think of Subban coming back to Montreal at the deadline for a playoff run in the final year of his contract ... but the reality is that Marc Bergevin would never allow it ... I thought about Alex Radulov earlier today and I'd like to think there'd be spot for him in Montreal ... he'd change the whole dynamic of the team ... the guy was an on-ice general the last time he was in Montreal ... would be nice to expose some of our youthful players to a veteran like him ... Bergevin has the cap space and assets ... Cheers. Rads in a heartbeat. Any funk he's in would be shrugged off the minute he got to Montreal. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 6, 2019 17:55:47 GMT -5
I think PK Subban might still have a bit of the old magic but I'm getting the impression that his best years are probably behind him now ... I used sometimes think of Subban coming back to Montreal at the deadline for a playoff run in the final year of his contract ... but the reality is that Marc Bergevin would never allow it ... I thought about Alex Radulov earlier today and I'd like to think there'd be spot for him in Montreal ... he'd change the whole dynamic of the team ... the guy was an on-ice general the last time he was in Montreal ... would be nice to expose some of our youthful players to a veteran like him ... Bergevin has the cap space and assets ... Cheers. Rads in a heartbeat. Any funk he's in would be shrugged off the minute he got to Montreal. Rads loved it in MTL... he just wanted fair compensation. |
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Post by franko on Dec 7, 2019 8:45:15 GMT -5
I think PK Subban might still have a bit of the old magic but I'm getting the impression that his best years are probably behind him now ... hmm, maybe it wasn't such a bad trade after all . . . |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 7, 2019 8:51:43 GMT -5
I think PK Subban might still have a bit of the old magic but I'm getting the impression that his best years are probably behind him now ... hmm, maybe it wasn't such a bad trade after all . . . Indeed, I don't know where the team would be without Shea Weber ... Cheers. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Dec 7, 2019 10:30:37 GMT -5
Ex Hab DLo owned Gudas in this little battle.
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Post by blny on Dec 7, 2019 10:46:48 GMT -5
I think PK Subban might still have a bit of the old magic but I'm getting the impression that his best years are probably behind him now ... hmm, maybe it wasn't such a bad trade after all . . . Hard to say. The back is a fickle mistress and there really wasn't any way of predicting how much of an impact it would have on him after the trade. |
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Post by blny on Dec 7, 2019 10:48:37 GMT -5
Ex Hab DLo owned Gudas in this little battle. This was a result of a Gudas hip check to Ritchie. The angle Gudas took to deliver that hit result in contact to the side of Ritchie's left leg. Ritchie left the game as a result. Not sure if he came back or not. |
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Post by jkr on Dec 7, 2019 10:56:55 GMT -5
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Post by jkr on Dec 7, 2019 11:03:08 GMT -5
hmm, maybe it wasn't such a bad trade after all . . . Hard to say. The back is a fickle mistress and there really wasn't any way of predicting how much of an impact it would have on him after the trade. Plus, MTL had their share of injury issues with Weber. I don't think there's a clear winner in that deal. |
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Post by franko on Dec 7, 2019 11:55:02 GMT -5
Hard to say. The back is a fickle mistress and there really wasn't any way of predicting how much of an impact it would have on him after the trade. Plus, MTL had their share of injury issues with Weber. I don't think there's a clear winner in that deal. I wonder if PK ever really recovered from his injury in MTL . . . injury's happen; it's a risk you take in a trade . . . and you can't judge a trade based on the first year or two . . . or on the popularity of a player . . . a clear winner is so subjective: points, games played, impact? what? . . . we can compare at the end end of both careers to see but still there may be differences of opinion. fwiw, I didn't like the trade at the time but I'm more happy with it now . . . and I hated the comparing going on at the beginning . . . to much emotion and it seemed like hope that the trade would fail on MTL's end to prove MB made a mistake (or yet another mistake?). |
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 7, 2019 12:04:55 GMT -5
Because the recipient plays for Montreal... and the league has no respect for the owner and GM. |
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Post by blny on Dec 7, 2019 12:29:40 GMT -5
Plus, MTL had their share of injury issues with Weber. I don't think there's a clear winner in that deal. I wonder if PK ever really recovered from his injury in MTL . . . injury's happen; it's a risk you take in a trade . . . and you can't judge a trade based on the first year or two . . . or on the popularity of a player . . . a clear winner is so subjective: points, games played, impact? what? . . . we can compare at the end end of both careers to see but still there may be differences of opinion. fwiw, I didn't like the trade at the time but I'm more happy with it now . . . and I hated the comparing going on at the beginning . . . to much emotion and it seemed like hope that the trade would fail on MTL's end to prove MB made a mistake (or yet another mistake?). I'll echo some of this. I disliked the trade because I felt like they picked they wrong guy to move. That said, excluding injuries, I think Weber has been the better player since the trade overall, and by a fair margin right now. |
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Post by frozone on Dec 7, 2019 15:10:40 GMT -5
I wonder if PK ever really recovered from his injury in MTL . . . injury's happen; it's a risk you take in a trade . . . and you can't judge a trade based on the first year or two . . . or on the popularity of a player . . . a clear winner is so subjective: points, games played, impact? what? . . . we can compare at the end end of both careers to see but still there may be differences of opinion. fwiw, I didn't like the trade at the time but I'm more happy with it now . . . and I hated the comparing going on at the beginning . . . to much emotion and it seemed like hope that the trade would fail on MTL's end to prove MB made a mistake (or yet another mistake?). I'll echo some of this. I disliked the trade because I felt like they picked they wrong guy to move. That said, excluding injuries, I think Weber has been the better player since the trade overall, and by a fair margin right now. It was hard to actually like the trade at the time. In a league that was quickly changing towards speed and offense, the trade perfectly symbolized how the Habs were moving in the wrong direction. Not to mention, considering how often PK was mistreated during his time in Montreal, it felt like a stab from management towards a player that had given so much to the city. That being said, PK's beautiful crossovers have concealed a little-discussed fact: he really isn't a very fast skater. It's getting increasingly difficult for him to find separation from opponents. I won't say he's washed up, because I don't think that's the case. But between Subban and Weber, PK is the one who needs to tweak his game at this point whereas Weber has done a great job staying relevant in the league as a stay at home D. I'm not crowning a winner of the trade, but I definitely didn't anticipate that Subban would be the one who had to evolve. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 7, 2019 15:17:11 GMT -5
I think the type of workout Pk does has affected him... he spends a lot of time bulking up but that isnt necessarily good for a hockey player... he used to have fast twitch responses on the ice, I dont see that anymore... might be because of the back problems but I think it's more the workout style.
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Post by jkr on Dec 7, 2019 16:31:57 GMT -5
When evaluating this deal we also have to look at team success.
In Subban's first year in Nashville, they went to the Cup Finals. In his second year, they won the President's Trophy & he was a finalist for the Norris.
Weber has not had that kind of impact on the Habs. The struggles of the team to make the playoffs or do anything once there are well documented here. Despite his fine play this season, the Habs have just come out of a 9 losses in 10 games streak.
Someone mentioned earlier in this thread - where would the Habs be without Weber - unfortunately still out of a playoff position.
This, of course, is on Bergevin. The trade was his signature move, what he will probably be most remembered for; yet he has not done enough to ensure that MTL will be true contenders while Weber & Price are still effective players.
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Post by franko on Dec 7, 2019 16:51:18 GMT -5
This, of course, is on Bergevin. The trade was his signature move, what he will probably be most remembered for; yet he has not done enough to ensure that MTL will be true contenders while Weber & Price are still effective players. exactly this. the Habs are no better off than they would be had PK still been on the team, nor are they worse off. they started off a little blander without PK though I'm not sure they were any steadier. PK may very well have been shipped out because he was PK -- the whole ego thing, though was his ego any bigger that MS's/MT's? but lacking then and lacking now is someone who can consistently put the puck in the net. unfortunately, solid near-grinders who can "play a 220 foot game" are desired over scorers. |
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Post by seventeen on Dec 8, 2019 20:44:21 GMT -5
PK’s been hurt this year by truly atrocious goaltending in Jersey. It’s hard for a team to get any rhythm or momentum when your goalie kills you on a regular basis. The Devils were a playoff candidate before Schneider wilted.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 8, 2019 22:21:09 GMT -5
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Post by jkr on Dec 9, 2019 9:10:11 GMT -5
He's been just OK I guess - 10 points in 21 games but only 2 goals.
I just looked at the 2012 1st round. IMO the best players in the first were Reilly, Forsberg & Vasilevskiy. A lot of duds in there.
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Post by franko on Dec 9, 2019 10:43:51 GMT -5
He's been just OK I guess - 10 points in 21 games but only 2 goals. I just looked at the 2012 1st round. IMO the best players in the first were Reilly, Forsberg & Vasilevskiy. A lot of duds in there. gotta wonder how he'da done with a different coach at the beginning. course, you can wonder about that for the other "duds" too . . .but Galchy maybe coulda done differently if he'da been used differently. it's like the team wants to "Carbo" everyone. |
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Post by blny on Dec 9, 2019 11:00:13 GMT -5
He's been just OK I guess - 10 points in 21 games but only 2 goals. I just looked at the 2012 1st round. IMO the best players in the first were Reilly, Forsberg & Vasilevskiy. A lot of duds in there. gotta wonder how he'da done with a different coach at the beginning. course, you can wonder about that for the other "duds" too . . .but Galchy maybe coulda done differently if he'da been used differently. it's like the team wants to "Carbo" everyone. I think about the what if regularly. The 30 goal season wasn't a fluke. He was never the fastest guy in the world, and the knee issues compounded that. He's not fast enough, in the current context of the game, to play an uptempo 200 foot game like the Pens want. To use a basketball term, he's a 'half court' player now. On a Yotes team that was thin on offense, he was third in scoring and tied for team lead in goals. Prevailing thought from Pens fans is that he hasn't been bad, but he doesn't fit their style of play. In the right situation, he can still be a solid secondary scorer. I think he should be moved to rw full time - and not just on the PP. He can still shoot the puck very well. That's the best way to take advantage of his best attribute. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 10, 2019 0:14:38 GMT -5
Interesting article by Pat Hickey, Montreal Gazette, on Alex Galchenyuk ... Why didn't Alex Galchenyuk work for the Canadiens? Try asking his father Family ties may have sabotaged Alex Galchenyuk's rocky career with the Canadiens. PAT HICKEY, MONTREAL GAZETTE Updated: June 19, 2018 There’s no reason for anyone to be shocked or surprised by the departure of Alex Galchenyuk. Galchenyuk was on the trading block for more than a year and he would have been gone sooner if general manager Marc Bergevin hadn’t been holding out for a better return. As it was, the Canadiens probably didn’t get fair value when they obtained Max Domi from the Arizona Coyotes, but they did get market value. No other team was willing to give up more for Galchenyuk, a talented offensive player with an aversion to playing in his own zone. Plus/minus figures aren’t always a true measure but Galchenyuk’s minus-31 — the fourth-worst figure in the NHL — was a true reflection of his performance. There will be questions about whether the Canadiens’ coaching staff handled Galchenyuk properly. Was he given a fair shot at centre? Did the coaches give him the guidance he needed to become a better defensive player? But the question that has to be answered is: Was Galchenyuk listening to those who were paid to give him advice? We know he was listening to his father, Alex Sr. You could see them huddling after every game in the concourse outside the Canadiens’ dressing room, rehashing the game. There were rumblings from the Galchenyuk camp about the way Alex was being used. There were questions about why he wasn’t at centre, why he was getting less ice time than other players. There were even questions about why he wasn’t on the ice at the end of close games. Given his defensive shortcomings, this should have been a no-brainer, but the Galchenyuk clan saw a conspiracy that deprived Alex of opportunities to score empty-net goals. When Galchenyuk and Max Pacioretty each scored 30 goals in the 2015-16 season, Pacioretty scored four empty-net goals while Galchenyuk had none. I can recall two stories that illustrate the tug of war between Galchenyuk père and his coaches. More * ... |
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 10, 2019 6:26:12 GMT -5
Sens beat the Bruins and we get hammered 2 times... tell me again how just trying to squeak into the playoffs is waaay better than rebuilding MB? A young team with a new age coach. The Sens have won the same number of games and are 5 points behind us but only because we have 5 extra loser points.
Time to sell off Price and Weber, send CJ and Muller packing and let Ducharme and Richardson run the bench. Only happens with Molson having some cojones to get rid of MB... won't happen.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 10, 2019 15:34:32 GMT -5
... Tuuka Rask being Tuuka Rask ...
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