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Post by jkr on Dec 13, 2019 8:14:44 GMT -5
Flames score 3 times in the first 2:30 of the 3rd period, beat Leafs 4-2.
I was wondering how Nashvile was doing after trading Subban & signing Duchene. They lost last night & now have 33 points in 30 games. Duchene has 8 goals & 21 points, kind of underwhelming for a guy with an 8 million $ cap hit.
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Post by CentreHice on Dec 13, 2019 10:16:53 GMT -5
Flames score 3 times in the first 2:30 of the 3rd period, beat Leafs 4-2. I was wondering how Nashvile was doing after trading Subban & signing Duchene. They lost last night & now have 33 points in 30 games. Duchene has 8 goals & 21 points, kind of underwhelming for a guy with an 8 million $ cap hit. Both Rinne and Saros are under .900 save pct. in a platoon situation. Rinne's best days are behind him, I think. He turned 36 in November. Is Saros a true #1? |
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Post by blny on Dec 13, 2019 11:59:52 GMT -5
Flames score 3 times in the first 2:30 of the 3rd period, beat Leafs 4-2. I was wondering how Nashvile was doing after trading Subban & signing Duchene. They lost last night & now have 33 points in 30 games. Duchene has 8 goals & 21 points, kind of underwhelming for a guy with an 8 million $ cap hit. Both Rinne and Saros are under .900 save pct. in a platoon situation. Rinne's best days are behind him, I think. He turned 36 in November. Is Saros a true #1? Not imo. Had he been able to establish himself as such, he would have by now. |
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Post by CentreHice on Dec 13, 2019 12:20:01 GMT -5
Both Rinne and Saros are under .900 save pct. in a platoon situation. Rinne's best days are behind him, I think. He turned 36 in November. Is Saros a true #1? Not imo. Had he been able to establish himself as such, he would have by now. Too bad. Always liked the Preds. It would be sad to squander that lineup's window because of subpar goaltending. Even with Rinne at his Vezina best in 2018, he was terrible at home vs. the Jets in Round 2, where he went 1-3-0. Pulled 3 times. GAA 4.93. Save % .848 Those 2 soft first period goals in Game 7....yikes. |
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Post by blny on Dec 13, 2019 13:29:14 GMT -5
Not imo. Had he been able to establish himself as such, he would have by now. Too bad. Always liked the Preds. It would be sad to squander that lineup's window because of subpar goaltending. Even with Rinne at his Vezina best in 2018, he was terrible at home vs. the Jets in Round 2, where he went 1-3-0. Pulled 3 times. GAA 4.93. Save % .848 Those 2 soft first period goals in Game 7....yikes. I think it would be fair to say that if you examine their history in the playoffs, and especially in the Rinne era, goal tending has been an issue. He hasn't been able to take his regular season play into the post season. |
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Post by blny on Dec 13, 2019 16:47:53 GMT -5
This type of cancer is apparently a tumor, or tumors, that form in the bone - not the marrow.
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Post by seventeen on Dec 17, 2019 22:10:16 GMT -5
One wonders if the pendulum is beginning it's swing into Habs oblivion. Leafs win, Lightning win, Flyers win, Blue Jackets win, Canes winning easily. All teams the Habs have to beat for that playoff spot. Penguins down 1 to Calgary in the 2nd.
Key game vs the Nucks for the Habs tonight. A loss allows all those teams to gain ground.
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Post by folatre on Dec 17, 2019 22:47:13 GMT -5
Yeah, it is starting to look that way.
December may be the month that the pack escapes from Montreal. But in reality it was November free fall that set the table for this. And, man, the Habs have just been so lousy on home ice. It is hard to hang in a race when you have such a meager haul of points (19 points in 19 games) and you have already played nearly half of your home games for the season.
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Post by folatre on Dec 17, 2019 23:01:51 GMT -5
Seriously, I guess Bernier is not winning the Vezina. He gave up four goals tonight against the lowest scoring team in the NHL.
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Post by blny on Dec 18, 2019 8:31:08 GMT -5
Losing 10% of your games in one chunk can be a death knell. If we know anything though, it can turn around after Christmas. The Blues were in oblivion this time last year. They went on a roll all the way to the Cup. We've won 5 of our last 6 and that certainly helps to undo some of the damage done. That stretch has seen the team play better in front of Price and Price average less than 2 goals against over that stretch. And we're missing key pieces.
I wouldn't be against throwing in the towel, but I don't think things are bleak either.
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Post by Tankdriver on Dec 18, 2019 8:45:27 GMT -5
Losing 10% of your games in one chunk can be a death knell. If we know anything though, it can turn around after Christmas. The Blues were in oblivion this time last year. They went on a roll all the way to the Cup. We've won 5 of our last 6 and that certainly helps to undo some of the damage done. That stretch has seen the team play better in front of Price and Price average less than 2 goals against over that stretch. And we're missing key pieces. I wouldn't be against throwing in the towel, but I don't think things are bleak either. We're in no mans land. Too good to suck and not good enough to make the show. |
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Post by jkr on Dec 18, 2019 8:54:02 GMT -5
Losing 10% of your games in one chunk can be a death knell. If we know anything though, it can turn around after Christmas. The Blues were in oblivion this time last year. They went on a roll all the way to the Cup. We've won 5 of our last 6 and that certainly helps to undo some of the damage done. That stretch has seen the team play better in front of Price and Price average less than 2 goals against over that stretch. And we're missing key pieces. I wouldn't be against throwing in the towel, but I don't think things are bleak either. I think the present state of the team is Bergevin's high water mark. He's proven that he cannot take a team to the next level & why I think it's time for a change. ( I know there is another thread for this but I just wanted to respond to your post). |
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Post by blny on Dec 18, 2019 13:17:48 GMT -5
Losing 10% of your games in one chunk can be a death knell. If we know anything though, it can turn around after Christmas. The Blues were in oblivion this time last year. They went on a roll all the way to the Cup. We've won 5 of our last 6 and that certainly helps to undo some of the damage done. That stretch has seen the team play better in front of Price and Price average less than 2 goals against over that stretch. And we're missing key pieces. I wouldn't be against throwing in the towel, but I don't think things are bleak either. We're in no mans land. Too good to suck and not good enough to make the show. Another lottery pick would be ideal, but I don't think we're in the kind of no man's land we were in between 1999 and 2002. The prospect pool is among the best in the league. That's the area of strength. |
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Post by blny on Dec 18, 2019 13:21:14 GMT -5
Losing 10% of your games in one chunk can be a death knell. If we know anything though, it can turn around after Christmas. The Blues were in oblivion this time last year. They went on a roll all the way to the Cup. We've won 5 of our last 6 and that certainly helps to undo some of the damage done. That stretch has seen the team play better in front of Price and Price average less than 2 goals against over that stretch. And we're missing key pieces. I wouldn't be against throwing in the towel, but I don't think things are bleak either. I think the present state of the team is Bergevin's high water mark. He's proven that he cannot take a team to the next level & why I think it's time for a change. ( I know there is another thread for this but I just wanted to respond to your post). No argument here. I think he's in better standing than he was in say, the summer of '16. In many respects he's like that PK's game has fallen off to the degree it has in the last 12 months or so. Moving on from Dudley was good, but he held out too long there. Same for Lefebvre. He's rectified those things at least, but it took way too long. The prospect pool is his saving grace. Some late firsts haven't worked out, but at this juncture, were he to leave, he'd leave the club with a better group of prospects than he found it. |
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Post by Tankdriver on Dec 18, 2019 14:06:37 GMT -5
I think the present state of the team is Bergevin's high water mark. He's proven that he cannot take a team to the next level & why I think it's time for a change. ( I know there is another thread for this but I just wanted to respond to your post). No argument here. I think he's in better standing than he was in say, the summer of '16. In many respects he's like that PK's game has fallen off to the degree it has in the last 12 months or so. Moving on from Dudley was good, but he held out too long there. Same for Lefebvre. He's rectified those things at least, but it took way too long. The prospect pool is his saving grace. Some late firsts haven't worked out, but at this juncture, were he to leave, he'd leave the club with a better group of prospects than he found it. Imagine if he and the previous regime ever hit on some of those first rounders. Leblanc, Tinordi, Beaulieu, Galchenyuk (debatable), McCarron, Scherbak, Juulsen (injured, so incomplete grade), Sergachev (traded away). Ususally your first rounders are your teams building blocks. Hopefully Poehling, KK and Caulfield are it. |
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Post by seventeen on Dec 18, 2019 19:03:18 GMT -5
Losing 10% of your games in one chunk can be a death knell. If we know anything though, it can turn around after Christmas. The Blues were in oblivion this time last year. They went on a roll all the way to the Cup. We've won 5 of our last 6 and that certainly helps to undo some of the damage done. That stretch has seen the team play better in front of Price and Price average less than 2 goals against over that stretch. And we're missing key pieces. I wouldn't be against throwing in the towel, but I don't think things are bleak either. You know that old saying, of course, "show me a great goalie and I'll show you a great coach". In all the Blues' rags to riches stories, very few mention the goaltending addition who played 32 games (I won't count them, but his call-up probably matches relatively closely with the Blues' turnaround. A good team being killed by bad goaltending. Duh. Binnington had a 1.89 gaa and .927 save percentage last regular season. His save % this year is just a bit worse at .920 but his gaa is 2.44. Still good numbers. But I wonder what they'll be in this year's playoffs after he's played 60 games? When the Blues are brought up as an example for 'anything can happen', I prefer to consider whether its a good team with bad goaltending or just a mediocre team. Seems to make a difference. |
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Post by blny on Dec 18, 2019 19:18:51 GMT -5
Losing 10% of your games in one chunk can be a death knell. If we know anything though, it can turn around after Christmas. The Blues were in oblivion this time last year. They went on a roll all the way to the Cup. We've won 5 of our last 6 and that certainly helps to undo some of the damage done. That stretch has seen the team play better in front of Price and Price average less than 2 goals against over that stretch. And we're missing key pieces. I wouldn't be against throwing in the towel, but I don't think things are bleak either. You know that old saying, of course, "show me a great goalie and I'll show you a great coach". In all the Blues' rags to riches stories, very few mention the goaltending addition who played 32 games (I won't count them, but his call-up probably matches relatively closely with the Blues' turnaround. A good team being killed by bad goaltending. Duh. Binnington had a 1.89 gaa and .927 save percentage last regular season. His save % this year is just a bit worse at .920 but his gaa is 2.44. Still good numbers. But I wonder what they'll be in this year's playoffs after he's played 60 games? When the Blues are brought up as an example for 'anything can happen', I prefer to consider whether its a good team with bad goaltending or just a mediocre team. Seems to make a difference. There's no doubt Binnington was a huge factor. Come playoffs, it was the ROR show. While we tend to play them very well, the Blues are a balanced team. They're thinner on defense than they were last year. They could be really thin if they don't retain Pietrangelo. They've resisted the temptation to deal Thomas and Kyrou. I like our roster against theirs. I'd like us more if we could acquire help on the left side. If we could get that help by using Lehkonen or Byron as a piece great. It addresses a need and frees up a forward spot. |
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Post by blny on Dec 18, 2019 19:39:36 GMT -5
No argument here. I think he's in better standing than he was in say, the summer of '16. In many respects he's like that PK's game has fallen off to the degree it has in the last 12 months or so. Moving on from Dudley was good, but he held out too long there. Same for Lefebvre. He's rectified those things at least, but it took way too long. The prospect pool is his saving grace. Some late firsts haven't worked out, but at this juncture, were he to leave, he'd leave the club with a better group of prospects than he found it. Imagine if he and the previous regime ever hit on some of those first rounders. Leblanc, Tinordi, Beaulieu, Galchenyuk (debatable), McCarron, Scherbak, Juulsen (injured, so incomplete grade), Sergachev (traded away). Ususally your first rounders are your teams building blocks. Hopefully Poehling, KK and Caulfield are it. Hindsight is 20/20. Leblanc is the only pick that I disliked the moment it was made. Hometown kid, taken in a hometown draft, in the centennial year? He was destined to fail. No superstars taken after him in the first, but good players. 2010 - They were looking for a big defender. They got one with pedigree. He wasn't an off the board pick. Sure, they could have had Kuznetsov, but he fell to where he was taken over concerns. If the focus that draft was on need, you've got to go into the second round to find a similar type of player. 2011 - Beaulieu was, again, not an off the board pick. Some attitude concerns, with the story about him and his dad. Still, Montreal managed to get the best player taken between 19 and 30 that year when they acquired Danault in trade. So, it's water under the bridge for me. 2012 - Galchenyuk didn't work out. Whether it's effort, inability, misuse and poor coaching, doesn't matter. He was the right pick at the time. He went back to jr during the lockout and ripped up the OHL. We got Domi for him. While it was felt that it was a sell low trade, I think we all take that trade today. My fear was that they would be stuck on the Remparts Grigorenko. He dropped out of the top ten and I sighed out of relief when he was passed over. 2013 - Difficult to predict how fast the game would move to speed and quickness. McCarron still started off well, and I think he's the greatest example of misuse by this regime. He was expected to go in the first. The minute they tried to turn him into a fighter his game took a $hit. Bouchard has been able to get him back to something resembling that first pro year. The damage is done though I'm afraid. It would have been nice to maybe take Theodore instead, but they had Tinordi and Beaulieu (along with Subban). The org need was size and a center. Aside from Theodore, the rest of the first is pretty meh. 2014 - Scherbak had the skill, but he turned out to be a Kostitsyn lite. Not good. The rest of the first round picks after him aren't good either. Scary that Pastrnak was taken one pick before him. 2015 - Noah is a shame. I don't know if he'll ever play again. It certainly doesn't look good right now. He was just establishing himself as a reliable player that could be trusted in crucial minutes. Having him and Fleury would have been great. It's really throwing darts at a board with a dash of option paralysis. I like what Churla and Timmins have done the last couple of drafts, but nothing is for certain. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 18, 2019 19:50:45 GMT -5
Losing 10% of your games in one chunk can be a death knell. If we know anything though, it can turn around after Christmas. The Blues were in oblivion this time last year. They went on a roll all the way to the Cup. We've won 5 of our last 6 and that certainly helps to undo some of the damage done. That stretch has seen the team play better in front of Price and Price average less than 2 goals against over that stretch. And we're missing key pieces. I wouldn't be against throwing in the towel, but I don't think things are bleak either. You know that old saying, of course, "show me a great goalie and I'll show you a great coach". In all the Blues' rags to riches stories, very few mention the goaltending addition who played 32 games (I won't count them, but his call-up probably matches relatively closely with the Blues' turnaround. A good team being killed by bad goaltending. Duh. Binnington had a 1.89 gaa and .927 save percentage last regular season. His save % this year is just a bit worse at .920 but his gaa is 2.44. Still good numbers. But I wonder what they'll be in this year's playoffs after he's played 60 games? When the Blues are brought up as an example for 'anything can happen', I prefer to consider whether its a good team with bad goaltending or just a mediocre team. Seems to make a difference. We've had phenomenal goaltending and couldn't get it done... |
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Post by Tankdriver on Dec 19, 2019 11:01:04 GMT -5
Imagine if he and the previous regime ever hit on some of those first rounders. Leblanc, Tinordi, Beaulieu, Galchenyuk (debatable), McCarron, Scherbak, Juulsen (injured, so incomplete grade), Sergachev (traded away). Ususally your first rounders are your teams building blocks. Hopefully Poehling, KK and Caulfield are it. Hindsight is 20/20. Leblanc is the only pick that I disliked the moment it was made. Hometown kid, taken in a hometown draft, in the centennial year? He was destined to fail. No superstars taken after him in the first, but good players. 2010 - They were looking for a big defender. They got one with pedigree. He wasn't an off the board pick. Sure, they could have had Kuznetsov, but he fell to where he was taken over concerns. If the focus that draft was on need, you've got to go into the second round to find a similar type of player. 2011 - Beaulieu was, again, not an off the board pick. Some attitude concerns, with the story about him and his dad. Still, Montreal managed to get the best player taken between 19 and 30 that year when they acquired Danault in trade. So, it's water under the bridge for me. 2012 - Galchenyuk didn't work out. Whether it's effort, inability, misuse and poor coaching, doesn't matter. He was the right pick at the time. He went back to jr during the lockout and ripped up the OHL. We got Domi for him. While it was felt that it was a sell low trade, I think we all take that trade today. My fear was that they would be stuck on the Remparts Grigorenko. He dropped out of the top ten and I sighed out of relief when he was passed over. 2013 - Difficult to predict how fast the game would move to speed and quickness. McCarron still started off well, and I think he's the greatest example of misuse by this regime. He was expected to go in the first. The minute they tried to turn him into a fighter his game took a $hit. Bouchard has been able to get him back to something resembling that first pro year. The damage is done though I'm afraid. It would have been nice to maybe take Theodore instead, but they had Tinordi and Beaulieu (along with Subban). The org need was size and a center. Aside from Theodore, the rest of the first is pretty meh. 2014 - Scherbak had the skill, but he turned out to be a Kostitsyn lite. Not good. The rest of the first round picks after him aren't good either. Scary that Pastrnak was taken one pick before him. 2015 - Noah is a shame. I don't know if he'll ever play again. It certainly doesn't look good right now. He was just establishing himself as a reliable player that could be trusted in crucial minutes. Having him and Fleury would have been great. It's really throwing darts at a board with a dash of option paralysis. I like what Churla and Timmins have done the last couple of drafts, but nothing is for certain. This is mostly how I feel too, but it just shows you that you shouldn't stay in love with your picks unless it is a top 10 pick. I don't know what we could of gotten at that time but if you are offering two first rounds picks, I am thinking you can get a very good player for years to come. An Example: Would Tampa turn down 2 firsts for Stamkos or Philly for Vorachek, etc. I mean there would probably be a prospect thrown in as well, but I am just spit balling that picks are just a form of currency. |
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Post by blny on Dec 19, 2019 13:58:47 GMT -5
This is mostly how I feel too, but it just shows you that you shouldn't stay in love with your picks unless it is a top 10 pick. I don't know what we could of gotten at that time but if you are offering two first rounds picks, I am thinking you can get a very good player for years to come. An Example: Would Tampa turn down 2 firsts for Stamkos or Philly for Vorachek, etc. I mean there would probably be a prospect thrown in as well, but I am just spit balling that picks are just a form of currency. The hedge is where you think you'll finish in the standings based on the trade. If you can land an high end talent for two first round picks, and the result is those two picks are outside the top 20, I think you do that trade all day. Especially if there's cost control with the acquired asset. If you feel that piece doesn't ensure you're a top ten team then you really have to start drilling down on the stats about the probability of success with each pick in a given draft. |
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Post by jkr on Dec 20, 2019 19:51:37 GMT -5
Leafs jump put to a 2-0 lead but the Rangers come back to the before the period ends. Greg Millen has taken on the mantle of Fred Andersen's primary booster. He described Andersen's recent play as "spectacular".  |
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Post by folatre on Dec 20, 2019 21:22:57 GMT -5
This is not to say that Andersen will necessarily shine in the post-season because those tilts are a different beast; however, there should be little disputing how great he has been in his four seasons in Toronto. Over such a large sample size, boasting a .918 save percentage on teams that have never specialized in limiting glorious scoring chances for the opposition, I would classify the Dane as at least borderline elite and with a consistency (and durability since he is never injured) that is rarely seen for goalies.
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Post by jkr on Dec 20, 2019 22:15:58 GMT -5
I won't dispute that he has been quite good but it's the hyperbole I can't stand - descriptions like best in the world; spectacular are IMO, over the top boosterism.
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 20, 2019 22:48:15 GMT -5
I won't dispute that he has been quite good but it's the hyperbole I can't stand - descriptions like best in the world; spectacular are IMO, over the top boosterism. Someone has to try and fill balloonheads shoes. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 20, 2019 23:03:46 GMT -5
Both Rinne and Saros are under .900 save pct. in a platoon situation. Rinne's best days are behind him, I think. He turned 36 in November. Is Saros a true #1? Not imo. Had he been able to establish himself as such, he would have by now. IMHO, the one reason the Predators could never seal the deal was because of their goaltending ... they just weren't going anywhere with Pekka Rinne ... I know they got to the finals once but other than that Nashville has been a playoff disappointment ... it's too bad because they had the team, or so I thought anyway ... Cheers. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 20, 2019 23:23:50 GMT -5
Not imo. Had he been able to establish himself as such, he would have by now. IMHO, the one reason the Predators could never seal the deal was because of their goaltending ... they just weren't going anywhere with Pekka Rinne ... I know they got to the finals once but other than that Nashville has been a playoff disappointment ... it's too bad because they had the team, or so I thought anyway ... Cheers. I agree bud, They had all the pieces except in nets... they could have used a Binnington the year they went to the finals |
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Post by seventeen on Dec 21, 2019 3:35:22 GMT -5
You know that old saying, of course, "show me a great goalie and I'll show you a great coach". In all the Blues' rags to riches stories, very few mention the goaltending addition who played 32 games (I won't count them, but his call-up probably matches relatively closely with the Blues' turnaround. A good team being killed by bad goaltending. Duh. Binnington had a 1.89 gaa and .927 save percentage last regular season. His save % this year is just a bit worse at .920 but his gaa is 2.44. Still good numbers. But I wonder what they'll be in this year's playoffs after he's played 60 games? When the Blues are brought up as an example for 'anything can happen', I prefer to consider whether its a good team with bad goaltending or just a mediocre team. Seems to make a difference. We've had phenomenal goaltending and couldn't get it done... Yup, we've had one of the key ingredients, but our best centre was Tomas Plekanec and St Louis' was Ryan O'Reilly. Didn't he get a goal in every finals game win for the Blues? It keeps coming back to a disciplined, thoughtful method of building a team. Strength down the centre is an old, proven concept, in every sport. Our management didn't seem to get it for the longest time. And even when they did, they seemed to do their best to de-develop the player. Anyway, I'm not sure the Habs with Price are a good comparison for the Blues with Binnington. Price is better than Binnington IMO, but the supporting case in St. Louis is better and deeper. Pietrangelo, Parayko, Dunn and Gunnarsson and Bouwmeester are a much stronger top 5 than Montreal's and O'Reilly and Schenn are better than our top 2 centres (no matter which ones pop out of the blender). |
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Post by seventeen on Dec 21, 2019 3:37:22 GMT -5
Not imo. Had he been able to establish himself as such, he would have by now. IMHO, the one reason the Predators could never seal the deal was because of their goaltending ... they just weren't going anywhere with Pekka Rinne ... I know they got to the finals once but other than that Nashville has been a playoff disappointment ... it's too bad because they had the team, or so I thought anyway ... Cheers. I think the pressure got to Rinne, especially in the finals. He wasted some excellent efforts by the rest of the team, come finals time. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 21, 2019 17:06:56 GMT -5
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