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Post by UberCranky on Aug 9, 2020 13:16:56 GMT -5
Are you ready to go on a waiting list for a new doctor then? Already covered on that subject. I was getting a physical last week and we had a long discussion about this subject. He already has a stash for his own family so the chances of him giving a flying f*** about politics around the drug are....nil. The only question....is if we should have our own stash. I've never seen so much politically charged BS by the propaganda media on something they know NOTHING about. Joe Stupid Public is getting his information from the propaganda media.....and will question and blame politicians for deaths based on what CNN or CBC say. CNN and CBC are weighing in with hyper partisanship by hyping the danger of a drug that is around for 60 years, all the side effects are well known and was never an issue. And dirt cheap. They hype headlines like...HCQ CAN BE DEADLY...then three paragraphs in they clarify it by saying...it can be deadly if it's not monitored by physicians. Sure, ANY drug can be deadly including aspirin. If Joe Stupid wants to self medicate, it's his/her problem. I would think that the medical field would ignore them but, unfortunatly, politicians are in charge of the purse strings and doctors/hospitals are not going to rock the $$ boat. This is all wrong.....meanwhile...the body bag business is working overtime. Note the trumpetytrumptrump politics...note the scare mongering....note the spin on it's use. It does not prevent or cure, it only helps in the early stages. Obviously Greek doctors are not asking Dr CBC and Dr CNN, or Canada for advice. www.google.ca/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5612499
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Post by jkr on Aug 9, 2020 15:07:27 GMT -5
Fox has a huge audience & makes no secret of its allegiance to Trump. Spin & partisanship exists on both sides of the political spectrum.
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Post by UberCranky on Aug 9, 2020 16:38:07 GMT -5
Of course there is partisan politics....but that's not the issue. Spinning health issues around politics is the issue.
That CBC article is shameful. It was mostly a trump hit piece and pure garbage in terms examining the HCQ issue. Joe Average will not be able to differentiate the issues and will simply take the CBC garbage at face value.
That is why i despise practically all media. We are at the point that it's wall to wall worthless partisan propaganda from both sides.
Last but not the least...body bags don't know partisanship...
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Post by UberCranky on Aug 17, 2020 7:13:33 GMT -5
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Post by jkr on Aug 17, 2020 9:05:20 GMT -5
I've started it & I am about halfway through. Probably going to take me a couple of days to read it.
But, it is an eye opener & it has changed by view of HCQ.
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Post by UberCranky on Aug 17, 2020 13:13:21 GMT -5
I've started it & I am about halfway through. Probably going to take me a couple of days to read it. But, it is an eye opener & it has changed by view of HCQ. Yup. It is NOT a cure or a vaccine, it simply a drug that can help you fight the disease BEFORE it becomes deadly. That is why Greece has tons of it. And their death rate per million is minuscule in comparison to us, never mind the US. Earlier on I was complaining why we are in the "top 10" where in fact, others had it way worse then us. Now, we have a lot more still in the hospital then we should.....compared to others. Why? WHY? OUR garbage media spends every waking moment spitting about trumpitytrumptrump yet they don't spend any time looking at the fundamental questions of WHY we have too many body bags and what we are doing about it. The who, what and were is now replaced by what garbage they can spit out to draw eyeballs. Worse, far worse, the CBC article I quoted above, most of our media, the NYT, CNN and their cousins are spitting out pure garbage to satisfy their political base and in fact, put peoples lives on the line...and CAUSING deaths. I didn't care much for the media before, now I simply DESPISE ALL of them with a passion. They are now literally into the deep end of criminal negligence by spitting politically biased articles on life and death subject. From NYT to CBC, et all, the writers and the entities should be hauled in court and jailed and/or bankrupted. They lie....and people die.
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Post by UberCranky on Aug 17, 2020 13:34:28 GMT -5
From the CBC article.....this is a criminal negligence level paragraph. That garbage stand alone paragraph is deadly level of misleading. To the average reader who is not aware that HCQ is 60 years old drug and over a BILLION people have already used it, with ALL the relatively minor side effects very well known and easily monitored, particularly heart issues, the above statement looks like a choice of death sentence or deadly consequences. Meanwhile.....trumpitytrumptrump is mentioned 7 times in that article. The CBC better pray that I'm not on the jury to convict them of criminal negligence for their garbage. www.cbc.ca/news/world/fda-revokes-hydroxychloroquine-covid-19-1.5612499~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This is from WIKI, ANOTHER garbage site...and the entries are locked. This is simply an outright lie....and people will die.
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Post by UberCranky on Aug 18, 2020 14:44:11 GMT -5
This is REALLY getting under my skin....
A study out of Portugal, an early user of HCQ. Plus a heavy underground distribution. In fact, my next door neighbor has his doses ready, he got them mailed from Portugal.
Here are the FACTS....
Greece....population 10,416,150 deaths per million: 22 active cases: 3,436 critical cases: 25
India....population: 1,381,752,440 ( very high HCQ use and availability) deaths per million: 38 (anyone dares to compare the our health systems to theirs?) active cases: 678,460 Critical cases: 8,944
Canada....population 37,784,956 deaths per million: 239 active cases: 4,696 critical cases: 67
USA....population 331,256,357 deaths per million: 526 active cases: 2,473,798 critical cases: 17,340
Here is another in your face reality....why hasn't Africa absolutely exploded with COVID deaths? Because of their leading tech medical huts with butcher knives that double as medical instruments? Because it's primary use was anti-malaria drug, take a wild guess how easily one can buy HCQ over the counter.
It's OK, let Canadians and Americans die needlessly. As long as the garbage media and equally garbage politicians can lie and prosper....it's all good.
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Post by Willie Dog on Aug 26, 2020 20:38:20 GMT -5
The government of Ontario has lost their mind...
A colleague sent me the following...
Why does a baby need $200 from the Ministry of Education
Why does the guy that lives in the same neighborhood as Drake need $200 ?
So stupid.
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Post by UberCranky on Aug 28, 2020 1:30:27 GMT -5
The government of Ontario has lost their mind... A colleague sent me the following... Why does a baby need $200 from the Ministry of Education Why does the guy that lives in the same neighborhood as Drake need $200 ? So stupid. Did Checkbook Santa buy your vote? My wife and I got $600. We don't need that $600 as I'm sure there are maybe a million other retirees that don't need that extra $600. Why? Because the clown thinks he bought our votes with my money, Meanwhile our dollar is sliding. I'm supporting my father and the Euro is up by 8% and rising. Wait until the US dollar starts rising.....and our dollar slides into the 60 cent range.
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Post by GNick99 on Sept 28, 2020 7:45:31 GMT -5
Covid not responding how I expected it. Starting to spike again. Daylight hours shorter maybe? It's mutating, schools re-opening? Heard many reasons why.
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Post by Willie Dog on Sept 29, 2020 17:54:25 GMT -5
Ottawa reported 105 cases today... not sure if it's because people dont care or they have opened up more testing centers in the region... all I know is we are really screwed if what happened in April happens again, the government can't afford it and the tax payers can't afford it.
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Post by UberCranky on Nov 15, 2020 17:51:18 GMT -5
A couple of thoughts....
Really worried about this virus mutating. I have this sinking gut feeling that it's now part of our life....forever.
Greek cases are skyrocketing. The greed of getting some tourist dollars now has a virus that is nearly out of control.
France and lots of Euro countries are losing the battle big time. I really don't ever want to hear about the "superior Europen medical system".
No matter how carefull... mistakes happen. The other night i was returning a rental item to home depot. I was pretty tired and forgot the usual routine. I didn't sanitize for about an hour. Really pissed at myself....but now it's 3 full days and no symptoms. Can't afford to be stupid.
This is going to get worse before it gets better....maybe way worse. Thank you China leaders.... **** ***
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Post by GNick99 on Nov 16, 2020 8:27:54 GMT -5
A couple of thoughts.... Really worried about this virus mutating. I have this sinking gut feeling that it's now part of our life....forever. Greek cases are skyrocketing. The greed of getting some tourist dollars now has a virus that is nearly out of control. France and lots of Euro countries are losing the battle big time. I really don't ever want to hear about the "superior Europen medical system". No matter how carefull... mistakes happen. The other night i was returning a rental item to home depot. I was pretty tired and forgot the usual routine. I didn't sanitize for about an hour. Really pissed at myself....but now it's 3 full days and no symptoms. Can't afford to be stupid. This is going to get worse before it gets better....maybe way worse. Thank you China leaders.... **** *** You want to make sure you don't get covid. My nephew had it, it is not nice. He lives in Florida. So, down there it is common. He is 45 and lives to the gyms. Excellent physical condition. Don't work he has a couple of fishing boats down there people take them for him. So, he had the time to spend in gym. The first week he said it was nothing. A cold or mild flu. The 2nd week he barely made it thru it. Then 2 weeks of hell getting over it. He said anybody with any age or other health problems probably aren't going to make it thru. If you have both, you likely not coming out of it
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Post by BadCompany on Nov 16, 2020 12:29:10 GMT -5
A couple of thoughts.... Really worried about this virus mutating. I have this sinking gut feeling that it's now part of our life....forever. I keep thinking about AIDS. When it first hit North America it was viewed as a "gay" disease, and treated accordingly. As in, not treated at all. Who cares, right? Insert homophobic joke here. And then it jumped the sexuality divide. Suddenly it was in the blood supply, heterosexual people were getting it, kids, middle-class drug users, college students... Only then did we see large scale safe sex programs, improved medical treatments, and a much higher public awareness/respect for the disease. I wonder if that's what it will take with this virus. Right now too many people have an "only old people die" mentality, and while that's not the only reason it's out of control it's certainly not helping. I fear that the virus will need to "mutate" (for lack of a better word) and start killing younger people by the thousands before it really hits home. Yes, some younger people are dying, and yes, just because you don't die doesn't mean you didn't get really sick, and yes there is the possibility of long term consequences. But right now there is a significant (and growing) section of the population that does not respect the disease enough. Even once a vaccine becomes available I fear that too many people are going to refuse to take it either because they don't trust it, or because they don't think they need it. And the longer the virus is around, the greater the chance it mutates. Which means that yes, this is going to be part of our life.... forever.
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Post by UberCranky on Nov 16, 2020 15:42:35 GMT -5
I wonder if that's what it will take with this virus. Right now too many people have an "only old people die" mentality, and while that's not the only reason it's out of control it's certainly not helping. I fear that the virus will need to "mutate" (for lack of a better word) and start killing younger people by the thousands before it really hits home. Yes, some younger people are dying, and yes, just because you don't die doesn't mean you didn't get really sick, and yes there is the possibility of long term consequences. But right now there is a significant (and growing) section of the population that does not respect the disease enough. Even once a vaccine becomes available I fear that too many people are going to refuse to take it either because they don't trust it, or because they don't think they need it. And the longer the virus is around, the greater the chance it mutates. Which means that yes, this is going to be part of our life.... forever. The stealthiness and spreadability (is that a word?) will make it hard to eradicate. Apparently, it already mutated to make itself more infectious then then the original version. Another "small" mutation can make it even more lethal. Even 1% lethality change means hundreads of thousands die. The numbers comming from too many 3rd world countries are fiction. China is reporting a handful of deaths a day. Egypt and others are reporting handfuls. The dead from this virus is probably 2 or 3 times the reported count. There is no evidence that vaccines are going to be effective more then 6 months. The fact that people are getting sick again is frightening. It means that we can't build immunity. Even if it's only 5% can't build immunity means that we can't get rid of it. Sometimes, i wonder if we need to get hit by an extinction event to cull the stupid? Between the "no mask" idiots, the fashion accessory mask idiots, the below the nose idiots, the don't bother wearing them properly idiots and the lying garbage that passes as "authorites".....there is a good chance that the gene pool improves massivly if a quarter of it pays the price for stupid. In theory....we can shake this virus off if we ALL practised full measures for one lousy month. Just one. By ALL of us. Obviously, this will never happen.....
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 16, 2020 22:01:54 GMT -5
Ottawa reported 105 cases today... not sure if it's because people dont care or they have opened up more testing centers in the region... all I know is we are really screwed if what happened in April happens again, the government can't afford it and the tax payers can't afford it. My sister lives in Bells Corners, and she's very discouraged with what she's seen in her end of town ... we're up to 36 cases here in Kingston ... that may not seem like a lot, but we're a small city, and the virus could go through us a lot faster because there are fewer of us ... the majority of people I see are adhering to the rules, or at least trying to ... I can't see Doug Ford shutting down the province again, as we simply can't afford it ... hopefully, folks understand the implications of another shutdown ... gov't payouts increase but the markets may not survive another shutdown either ... on the human side, at what point does everyone say "enough is enough" with the cases and isolation becomes the norm again ... as an aside, the markets haven't finished their roller coaster ride ... despite recent successes, it could get very bad, very quickly again ... Cheers.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 16, 2020 23:49:42 GMT -5
I keep thinking about AIDS. When it first hit North America it was viewed as a "gay" disease, and treated accordingly. As in, not treated at all. Who cares, right? Insert homophobic joke here. And then it jumped the sexuality divide. Suddenly it was in the blood supply, heterosexual people were getting it, kids, middle-class drug users, college students... Only then did we see large scale safe sex programs, improved medical treatments, and a much higher public awareness/respect for the disease. Before deploying to the Middle East for the first time, we received briefings on what we could expect ... the army discouraged sex with the locals because of the "Black Syph" ... it was supposedly a deadly strain of syphilis, and it was usually too late by the time they detected it ... the "Black Syph" didn't exist, and a few years later I figured they were talking about AIDS ... but even if it was AIDS, it wasn't until Rock Hudson got diagnosed that I took notice of the disease ... It's already in the elite circles ... I'll be honest with you, BC, I really started following the virus when Tom Hanks and his wife, Prince Charles and Sophie Trudeau were diagnosed ... it was at this point I figured anyone could get this ... From what I'm reading it doesn't really matter how old you are, if you're healthy with a strong immune system, you have a good chance at beating the virus ... if you have diabetes, a compromised immune system, or a preexisting respiratory condition, your chances significantly decrease ... And it's discouraging for those who are trying their best to follow the rules ... Mrs. Dis works in a pharmacy, and we're both planning on getting the vaccine; however, it's a new vaccine, and she wants to wait a few weeks first to gauge what it does to folks ... from what I've read, patients participating in human trials are exhibiting cold-like symptoms ... how many people, I don't know ... it kind of reminds me of the effects of a Yellow Fever shot (everyone reacts differently) ... the majority of the soldiers I got it with were just fine, but there were a few who ended up spending the rest of day in bed with flu like symptoms (you'd never know it the next day) ... one soldier even dropped a few minutes after getting it ... like, he never got out of the building and plop! ... anyway, unless it turns people into zombies, we'll be getting it, just not right away ... as an aside, her sources at work are saying late March, early April for release of the vaccine ... I had a nurse tell me the same thing only a few months ago ... according to her, it will never be the same again ... still, you know, I wonder whether the virus will take the same routes as the Bubonic Plague or Ebola ... as with those diseases, Covid-19 will always be lingering around, but we may know how to deal with it a lot better as time goes on ... Cheers.
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Post by UberCranky on Nov 17, 2020 0:51:51 GMT -5
I'm writing a science fiction story about...
A totalitarian regime with an enormous population getting hit by a virus then making a calculated decision that "accidentally" releasing that disease will linger and cause enormous human and economic damage to it's competitors. It's leadership calculated that they could brutally control it's population and besides, a few million are acceptable losses. It's competitors couldn't....thus paying a heavy price trying to control it.
It's a science fiction story that just came to me in my sleep....yes it is...no way resembles any reality....I call it....Divoc Syndrome
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Post by BadCompany on Nov 17, 2020 8:07:18 GMT -5
Before deploying to the Middle East for the first time, we received briefings on what we could expect ... the army discouraged sex with the locals because of the "Black Syph" ... it was supposedly a deadly strain of syphilis, and it was usually too late by the time they detected it ... the "Black Syph" didn't exist, and a few years later I figured they were talking about AIDS ... but even if it was AIDS, it wasn't until Rock Hudson got diagnosed that I took notice of the disease ... I think the real turning point for AIDS came when Magic Johnson announced that he was HIV positive. I think that's when people really started to sit up and take notice. But even then, questions lingered, so much so that I can remember him going on the Arsenio Hall show and Arsenio asking him point blank "are you gay?" To which Magic replied something like "you know I'm not gay". It was at that point that it started to hit people that this wasn't just a "gay" disease. I've been saying for months that the only way this will be taken seriously by all is if somebody famous dies. Like, if Tom Hanks had of died, then people would have stood up and noticed. "If he can get it..." Right now the disease doesn't have a face. While a lot of famous people have gotten it, none them have died, or even gotten really sick, seemingly. This is just feeding into the narrative that it isn't that serious. But think of it this way; close to 11,000 people have died in Canada, WITH lockdowns, shutdowns, travel bans, social distancing, masks, closures, etc.. How many deaths did that prevent? No, we haven't been perfect in this whole thing, but what would the numbers look like if we had of done nothing? Five times worse? TEN times worse? Similarly, while the US response has been even more scatter-shot than ours has been, they have in many places enacted a lot of the same measures. And yet well over 200,000 people have died there. What would it have been like if they did nothing, everywhere? Five times worse is over a million dead in less than a year. Unfortunately we've become so accustomed to large numbers that they largely mean nothing to us. So-and-so NHL player is making "just" $3 million a year. With such a skewed perception of numbers it's no wonder that 200,000 is a "low" number in the minds of many. Our perception of how big that number is just doesn't compute. The death of one man is a tragedy. The death of one million men is a statistic.
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Post by jkr on Nov 17, 2020 9:25:28 GMT -5
I agree with what your saying BC but I would bring up one thing about the lack of a famous face - Boris Johnson. He had it seriously enough to end up in intensive care. But even that shock passed for Britons.
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Post by Tankdriver on Nov 17, 2020 9:56:16 GMT -5
I don't want to sound like I don't care about the virus, but isn't there reports out there that there are more people that died from the flu in a same period as those that have died from covid? I mask up and wash my hands, use the purell, but eventually the world has to move on and adapt. We can't just open up the check book whenever we like. So make the vaccine free, and those who refuse to take it, well, fate will be in their hands.
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Post by franko on Nov 17, 2020 10:09:55 GMT -5
I don't want to sound like I don't care about the virus, but isn't there reports out there that there are more people that died from the flu in a same period as those that have died from covid? I mask up and wash my hands, use the purell, but eventually the world has to move on and adapt. We can't just open up the check book whenever we like. So make the vaccine free, and those who refuse to take it, well, fate will be in their hands. if t here is such a report, TD, it's total bunk. flu season is just beginning -- the CDC says that While influenza viruses circulate year-round, most of the time flu activity peaks between December and February, but activity can last as late as May. and the whole "every death is reported as being from COVID and that brings the numbers up" is also bunk. agree that sometime we'll have to move on (I am so tired of masking up but I do it anyway). and also agree that once the vaccine is available let the anti-vaxers refuse it if they want . . . Darwinism at its best, I think. I like the "if there's no COVID go help out in a hospital" meme . . . then we'll see how well their principles keep them safe.
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Post by franko on Nov 17, 2020 10:16:47 GMT -5
I agree with what your saying BC but I would bring up one thing about the lack of a famous face - Boris Johnson. He had it seriously enough to end up in intensive care. But even that shock passed for Britons. Boris Johnson? Boris Johnson? first, he ain't famous. and second, they couldn't care less whether he lives or dies for the most part. same with Trump, actually. of he had died from it the anti-Trumpers would have said "serves him right" and kept on, and the pro-Trumpers would have said "it isn't COVID, it's a left-wing conspiracy to say that it is". trying to think of a famous person in the US being infected that would make a difference . . . can't really think of one. would have to be someone right-leaning and respected yet a "denier". so Ted Nugent is out. the aforementioned Donald Trump is out. Trebek may have been one who would have held sway . . . but again, Boris freakin' Johnson? uh-uh.
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Post by jkr on Nov 17, 2020 11:52:54 GMT -5
Well he is Prime Minister & leader of the U.K. so a lot of people know who he is.
If he hadn't made it, I think the impact would have been large.
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Post by UberCranky on Nov 17, 2020 14:46:52 GMT -5
At worse, flu killed approximatly 60,000 in one year in the US, so this is far worse.
It's probably going to be about 285,000 in the US so almost 5 times worse.
Right now, about 10%-15% of the world population has been infected. If no precautions were taken, it would be 100% infection rate and about 20-25 times worse in deaths. It would overwhelm all medical facilitues everywhere and you simply are assymptomatic, infected and recovered or died from it.
Given that i am absolutely sure that there are two or three times more deaths in 3rd world countries that are under reported, that would put the deaths closer to 3 to 4 million then 1.3 million. Multiply that by 20 to 25 times if it spread everywhere.....and you get close to that 100 million mark.
This is NOT an existential threat to humanity, not even close. Any given totalatarian regime would consider 5% of the population loss as a bad hair day. Mao, Stalin, Hitler et all would shrug off the loss. Canada would still be Canada.
Existential threats need to get into the 20% to 30% range to break down our civilization. I know some think that those "protest" look like social breakdown, but it's a tiny percentage that feed the propaganda medias thirst for news. There is another entire higher level of declaring martial law to enforce compliance. BUT....even martial law breaks down at a certain level. You can never kill more people to enforce confinement then the virus. No Western politician will outlive shoot-to-kill orders.
Anywho....going into science fiction world with the above sentances.
I said it in March and i will say this again, make no mistake this is far, FAR more serious then the little ole flu.
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Post by UberCranky on Nov 17, 2020 16:57:14 GMT -5
I agree with what your saying BC but I would bring up one thing about the lack of a famous face - Boris Johnson. He had it seriously enough to end up in intensive care. But even that shock passed for Britons. Boris Johnson? Boris Johnson? first, he ain't famous. and second, they couldn't care less whether he lives or dies for the most part. same with Trump, actually. of he had died from it the anti-Trumpers would have said "serves him right" and kept on, and the pro-Trumpers would have said "it isn't COVID, it's a left-wing conspiracy to say that it is". trying to think of a famous person in the US being infected that would make a difference . . . can't really think of one. would have to be someone right-leaning and respected yet a "denier". so Ted Nugent is out. the aforementioned Donald Trump is out. Trebek may have been one who would have held sway . . . but again, Boris freakin' Johnson? uh-uh. The sad sack of humanity would consider Modanna or Tom Hanks as "important people". What really bothers me....why did Trump get over it in 5 days. Of course the left will scream "fake", ignoring how many people were involved and how much he is hated by certsin sector. The propaganda media were full bore "investigating" it and searching for leaks. NONE came out so it's 100% that he and a lot of his people got it.... Which brings me to the real issue. WHY was it gone in 5 days? Why weren't any issue with dozens of WH people who got infected? What is available to him and them that is not for us? If the propaganda media can leave their own anti-Trump bu**holes long enough, they should be tearing Washington apart trying to find if there is a two tier medical solution. One for elites and one for the disposable populace.
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Post by PTH on Nov 17, 2020 20:15:39 GMT -5
Which brings me to the real issue. WHY was it gone in 5 days? Why weren't any issue with dozens of WH people who got infected? What is available to him and them that is not for us? If the propaganda media can leave their own anti-Trump bu**holes long enough, they should be tearing Washington apart trying to find if there is a two tier medical solution. One for elites and one for the disposable populace. The specific medical protocol he got was widely reported, he was one of only 10 to get it outside of ongoing trials, and cost a few M.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 17, 2020 21:07:16 GMT -5
Before deploying to the Middle East for the first time, we received briefings on what we could expect ... the army discouraged sex with the locals because of the "Black Syph" ... it was supposedly a deadly strain of syphilis, and it was usually too late by the time they detected it ... the "Black Syph" didn't exist, and a few years later I figured they were talking about AIDS ... but even if it was AIDS, it wasn't until Rock Hudson got diagnosed that I took notice of the disease ... I think the real turning point for AIDS came when Magic Johnson announced that he was HIV positive. My late mother was a Rock Hudson fan, and I remember his passing meaning a lot to her, but you're right about Magic Johnson, BC ... it certainly wasn't about being gay after that ... I don't like thinking about it ... that, and what numbers are we talking about if the US had the right leadership in place ... as far as Canadian leadership has gone, Trudeau was in front of the mic every day giving updates to the nation ... I thought that was spot-on, but at the same time, I would have liked to see more thought given to compensation packages, but that's another topic ... This is the first I've heard of that ... I suppose there are folks who do think that number is low, but man ... Cheers.
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Post by UberCranky on Nov 17, 2020 21:54:55 GMT -5
Which brings me to the real issue. WHY was it gone in 5 days? Why weren't any issue with dozens of WH people who got infected? What is available to him and them that is not for us? If the propaganda media can leave their own anti-Trump bu**holes long enough, they should be tearing Washington apart trying to find if there is a two tier medical solution. One for elites and one for the disposable populace. The specific medical protocol he got was widely reported, he was one of only 10 to get it outside of ongoing trials, and cost a few M. I didn't know that and Trump never phoned me. Pffft..friends like that..... Found a link.... www.google.ca/amp/s/beta.ctvnews.ca/national/coronavirus/2020/10/7/1_5135899.html
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