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Post by jkr on Mar 24, 2020 6:29:50 GMT -5
Read the article and I'm not surprised that the more restrictive states are better equiped to handle tracing and shut downs. I've been in martial law enviroment three times in two countries, despise the very thought to the core.....but....here we are with a choice of economic and health hell, so I'm ok if this is the route we need to go through to slow or stop this. That's another consequence of this. We now have a taste of what it's like to live in an authoritarian state. |
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Post by jkr on Mar 24, 2020 6:53:05 GMT -5
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Post by Skilly on Mar 24, 2020 8:27:37 GMT -5
We had 15 new cases yesterday. Eight of them from the same woman, who decided she'd return from travel, and 5 days later attend wakes/funerals over 3 days for 2 individuals. And of course, the arguments being made was that the travel restrictions and self-isolation were not mandatory then. That's why it is called SELF-isolation!! You'd have to be living under a rock, if you travelled in the last month or so, and not grasp the reasoning that after travelling you should self isolate immeidtaely. We have people here, getting off the plane, being met by Health Authorities that are directing them to go into isolation right away and not stop on the way home; then going to Tim Hortons or Costco.
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Post by franko on Mar 24, 2020 9:19:48 GMT -5
And snowbirds coming back from Florida and driving right to Walmart
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Post by Cranky on Mar 24, 2020 10:20:31 GMT -5
What I know with absolute certainty is that...
Some people are slow. Daily "functioning" and nothing more. Sweet and cooperative but not their fault since they are generally trying to do the best they can with limited resources. Generally associated with older people, but not limited in age.
Some think they are far smarter then their actual half wit brains. They are not malicious or narcissists, nor self important, they just think that they are making thought out, sound choices. No age association.
Some people simply don't care. Narcissists and self important, the world revolves around them and they will do whatever they please. Generally associated with young people, but not limited by age.
We now trust these people, with the safety chain of our collective. We trust these people to follow what is now not only about about lives, but also our economic future. Our entire fabric of civilization.....which aany one of the above can burn a hole in it.
Good luck to all of us....
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Post by CentreHice on Mar 24, 2020 10:21:48 GMT -5
We had 15 new cases yesterday. Eight of them from the same woman, who decided she'd return from travel, and 5 days later attend wakes/funerals over 3 days for 2 individuals. And of course, the arguments being made was that the travel restrictions and self-isolation were not mandatory then. That's why it is called SELF-isolation!! You'd have to be living under a rock, if you travelled in the last month or so, and not grasp the reasoning that after travelling you should self isolate immeidtaely. We have people here, getting off the plane, being met by Health Authorities that are directing them to go into isolation right away and not stop on the way home; then going to Tim Hortons or Costco. OF COURSE that's happening! At this point of the game, idiocy and selfishness are large contributors to the spread. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 24, 2020 13:43:37 GMT -5
And snowbirds coming back from Florida and driving right to Walmart My cousin live just north of Prescott and people in and around Brockville are pissed that these assholes stayed in Florida waaay longer than they should have... and are congregating in parking lots like its spring break |
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Post by Skilly on Mar 24, 2020 18:46:34 GMT -5
We had 15 new cases yesterday. Eight of them from the same woman, who decided she'd return from travel, and 5 days later attend wakes/funerals over 3 days for 2 individuals. And of course, the arguments being made was that the travel restrictions and self-isolation were not mandatory then. That's why it is called SELF-isolation!! You'd have to be living under a rock, if you travelled in the last month or so, and not grasp the reasoning that after travelling you should self isolate immeidtaely. We have people here, getting off the plane, being met by Health Authorities that are directing them to go into isolation right away and not stop on the way home; then going to Tim Hortons or Costco. We had 11 new cases today. ALL linked to the same woman who went to the funeral home. That’s 18 cases directly related to one person’s dumb decision. Keep in mind the experts say that every person infects 2.5 others. She infected 18!!! And these 18 had no idea they were infected for days. So it’s very likely there are at least 45 others infected by this woman . |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Mar 24, 2020 22:59:11 GMT -5
We had 15 new cases yesterday. Eight of them from the same woman, who decided she'd return from travel, and 5 days later attend wakes/funerals over 3 days for 2 individuals. And of course, the arguments being made was that the travel restrictions and self-isolation were not mandatory then. That's why it is called SELF-isolation!! You'd have to be living under a rock, if you travelled in the last month or so, and not grasp the reasoning that after travelling you should self isolate immeidtaely. We have people here, getting off the plane, being met by Health Authorities that are directing them to go into isolation right away and not stop on the way home; then going to Tim Hortons or Costco. We had 11 new cases today. ALL linked to the same woman who went to the funeral home. That’s 18 cases directly related to one person’s dumb decision. Keep in mind the experts say that every person infects 2.5 others. She infected 18!!! And these 18 had no idea they were infected for days. So it’s very likely there are at least 45 others infected by this woman . One dumb a$$, and a whole bunch of other unwitting and unknowing accomplices. That is how it can grow exponentially. Trump wants USA to reopen by Easter. That is beyond crazy. So ill-prepared. |
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Post by Skilly on Mar 25, 2020 13:32:27 GMT -5
The number she infected is now 44 ... 44 of our 67 cases linked to one woman.
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Post by Cranky on Mar 25, 2020 14:05:27 GMT -5
Elsewhere i kept trying to get across that this is a chain which can be broken anywhere in time and by anybody.
If we are depending on people to keep this chain from breaking.....we're doomed.
Typhoid Mary says hello....
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I can't believe my net service has been down twice in a few days.....of all the times it could be down, now is NOT it....grrrrrr
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 25, 2020 16:17:47 GMT -5
I was young, invincible, and stupid when I was younger, but I was never this out of control ... However, they found him pretty quickly ... Missouri Walmart Coronavirus Licker Charged With 'Terrorist Threat'Posted By Doyle Murphy on Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 2:55 pm SCREENGRAB/WARREN COUNTY POLICEA Warrenton man was charged with making a terrorist threat after he filmed himself licking bunch of items at Walmart. "Who's afraid of the coronavirus?" Cody Pfister, 26, taunts in a video he later posted to social media. More/suite * |
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Post by Cranky on Mar 25, 2020 17:00:16 GMT -5
Hopefully jailed.....where that tonque will now find a new home and lots of opportunities.....
Are we SURE this virus is a bad thing? *sigh*
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 25, 2020 18:13:44 GMT -5
It looks like he's wearing state issue, HA ... I doubt they'll let this guy go very easily ... he's being held without bond ... a cut & paste from the same article ...
Pfister was booked into the Warren County jail without bond. He has previous convictions for burglary, theft of a firearm, drug possession and driving while intoxicated.
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Post by jkr on Mar 25, 2020 19:35:28 GMT -5
To paraphrase Rodney Dangerfield - beside the word loser in the dictionary, they have this guy's picture.
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Post by Tankdriver on Mar 25, 2020 23:40:25 GMT -5
I got this from someone who knows someone....take it for what it's worth.
A friend of mine from high school living in China posted this today, an account of how things went down there......interesting...
I didn't write this, copied from my friend Simon's post, but this is a perfect account how it went down here with covid-19...
In China, its been an interesting 6 weeks, but at present things are super stable here. Very few new cases... and for the first time across the country, all new cases reported have been imported.
I see as the virus spreads around the world, theres growning anger at China on the origin of the virus, and China's action against it. This actually really surprises me, mostly because their reaction has been so much more agressive than any other country, and that they're winning their battle while everyone else is not.
But I also wonder just how much people outside know about whats happened here, and how the chinese goverrnment has dealt with it. If you're interested to be able to compare and contrast what your own government is doing, please read on ....
In early december, some doctors were concerned that they were seeing a few cases of something "SARS like" . The reaction to this maybe could have been better, but honestly I've no idea, I'm not an expert. Still, it was new. No one knew what they were diagnosing. By the 1st week of january, the new strain was identified. Less that 2 weeks later, China had 800 cases as recorded on the 22nd January. For context as well.... that day is akin to christmas eve eve here in china.... work is closing, people are travelling to see their families. In terms of scale, 800 cases is equivalent to about 20 cases in the whole of the UK based on population.
2 days later, Hubei a province with the population of UK is locked down. the rest of china are advised to stay inside.... and the people do exactly that. No going to the pub etc, no visiting friends, no travelling.
Within a few more days areas the size of 2-3 uk streets are all effectively sealed off, with the local street leaders now responsible for taking temperature and moniitoring who is within the area. That's helped a little by the way the chinese build housing, but its still a massive effort, taking millions of volunteers and community workers.
China kick off building 4 hospitals, and these would be ready 2 weeks Later.
Now the 1st Feb, about a week after Hubei is locked down, return to work is effectively cancelled for all but key workers. Key workers are food retail, delivery, supply chain, medical supplies. Laws ensure food and mask and hand sanitiser prices cannot inflate. Carrefour, a major super market was fined 250,000 GBP for raising the price of lettuce for no good reason. That fine happened within 2 days of the event.
Mask production is ramped up, and by about the 4th feb shanghai had organised distibutions of masks per day to designated pharmacies, for each person to buy 5 a day. by about the 8th/9th feb they'd shifted that to allowing you to register to buy them from your local community leader ( in our case that was our housing management office )
UK government announed on the 4th Feb all Brits to leave China. It was a difficult decision, but looking at the control China had, we decided to stay. Regardless, at no point since the start of this event to right now, could i not have just jumped on a plane , taken a direct flight to the UK, and then walked straight into any bar in london.
Anyone returning into Shanghai from outside Shanghai but from within China was subject to quarantine in their homes, with the local community workers checking on them 2 times per day. That included sealing their doors wiith tape, and if that tape breaks prosecuting them. All businesses pretty much required you to be back in shanghai for 14 days before allowing you to return to the office. My own office required a health questionnaire from me every day. As did our daughters school...
By the 10th Feb, shanghai was taking a staged return to work, Outside of hubei the virus was being beaten. Cases a day had dropped from 900 a day, to 400 a day. by 18th Feb that was down to 50 a day, 24th feb 10 a day.
From about the 10th Feb, restarants and shops started opening. Take out only, mostly. All shops, restaurants etc demanded your temp taken before serving you.
China implemented a QR code scheme , tracking your health status online . Green low risk, yellow medium risk, red... probably infected or high risk. This was integrated into their major social media platforms, and you now need the code to enter business parks, public spaces etc. They maintain the status using big data, mobile phone information etc. They built that and rolled it out within 4 weeks.
Having controlled the cases in the country, they now try to contain all visitors to the country. Everyone that comes into the country is assesed by medical staff. If you have come from a high risk country ( UK is on that list ) you will be taken to a facility to be tested for the virus. If you are negative, you'll be escorted to your home, and sealed inside it for 14 days. If you have nowhere they can do that, they provide quarantine hotels where you will have 14 quarantine there instead. All new cases in the country today were from abroad.... all of which theoretically caught through their new systems.
Life is china is almost back to normal, but with constant monitoring and some constraints.
For perspective, China took a lot of criticism on their number reporting of total cases.... today china continues to report numbers accurately and test any suspected cases. In the UK, they gave up testing at 300 cases.
For perspective, Schools have now been cancelled for about 6-7 weeks. Within 2 weeks they moved Chinese core subject teaching onto their version of the BBC, recruiting hundreds of teachers to move the education system onto the TV.
All other countries have had 2 months to prepare for the possibility this was coming, and they seem woefully unprepared. In that 2 months, with no prep, and with the world criticising and joking ( Wu-flu, they deserve it for eating dogs etc ) China has controlled the virus and is returning to normal. Everything the UK is doing seems so incredibly late. China was locked down at 800 cases , Uk is at 3000 with no real lock down happening at all.
They've given the world a roadmap on how to handle this.... and yet no one is following their lead. Criticise China for not knowing what they were dealing with in the first few weeks, but the reality is that this is being handled poorly by the UK and other governments. The UK deserve better.
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Post by Cranky on Mar 26, 2020 3:24:45 GMT -5
Tankdriver, great post and thank you for sharing.
I don't like what I am reading for a whole lot of reasons......and this is going to be a long post....
To begin with, I see this as a sudden war. We have a clearly defined enemy and we know it's objectives. The enemy is amoral and relentless but with fixed, predictable movements and strategy.
1...the first strategy in a war is to fight on the enemies ground, outside ones borders.
We failed. China was overwhelmed. And lied. And screamed racism when any attempt was made to isolate it there.
2....the second strategy is to keep the enemy at the border. Away from entering society.
We failed again. Miserably. This was my Fortress America prayer but commerce, political correctness and drooling idiocy of every politician on earth kept us from implementing the harsh decision of shutting down flights to stop the enemy from entering. In fact, we willingly carried the enemy to our very core.
It's only days ago that the useless politicians finally got half a brain to stop those flights. We could of shut down the airlines and tourism industry at the cost of several billion....instead of $100 billion and far more to come. And countless misery with body bags.
3....once the enemy breached, we needed to immidiatly fight a defensive war. In this case, immidiated and extensive lock down was the ONLY defense. Deny the enemy penetration. Like every sudden war, a nation fights with the weapons on hand. Since we have none, then the only strategy is to limit the spread, treat the wounded.....and bury the dead.
Once again, we failed uber miserably. Once again, preening politicians proved to be worthless milk crate grandstanders. Once again, commerce and politics prevailed to delay action and then, when implemented, a sub segment of our permissive, indulgent, arrogant society spewed forth and ignored. THEY, the self important are above the needs and safety of the collectives. Only today, months later, when we are badly losing this battle, the political leaderless are pushing to straightened the defensive chain.
4....Victory. There is no doubt we will win this war. After the first major battle that we are in now, there will be repeated skirmishes until we finally have the WMD in a vaccine. In all these battles and skirmishes, the metric will not be victories, but simply containing the enemies damage.
5...Aftermath...failure in leadership and failure of our society will cost massive misery, a thousand if not thousands of deaths and ruined economy. IF, IF in our wildest dreams, we continue were we left off, the debt alone will rise where the government will take even more money out of society to service it, which is the enemy of growth. Given the shock into our economic system, more likely, we will have a recession. The Dirty Thirties are waving hello.
A secondary loss is the loss of western democratic prominence. Authoritarian blindness will be seen by many as a viable political solution. The sheep will be self shearing more privacy and freedom for the safety of soothing verbal vapidity. The authoritarians will authorize great speeches for painless paths to.....1984.
6...Lessons....we deserve the leaders we elect and the consequences of our arrogant, permissive, ignorant actions. Other then some window dressing of stockpiling some more paper and plastic defensive weapons and lots of air expelled to screech worthless verbal salads, in 10 years, it will be ignored history and back to flaunt our focus with farcical fascination of the iphone 27.
Chin up, there is a black rainbow pointing to....only humans, spewing lava and big rocks from space can write these words...The End
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Post by Cranky on Mar 27, 2020 13:23:01 GMT -5
I've been tracking the stats on this virus. An indicator of how much countries have it under control is the deaths per million....
Early infected, peaked and declining....
China.....2
S Korea....3
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Hong Kong....0.5
Malaysia...0.7
Japan.....0.4
Singapore....0.3
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Taiwan...0.08
Later infected and rising....
Italy......136
Spain....93
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France....26
Netherlands...25
Switzerland...22
Belgium....19
UK....14
Sweden....8
Denmark...7
Portugal....6
Austria...5
USA....4
Ireland...4
Germany....3
Norway...3
Greece...3
Canada....1
Spain and italy are head scratchers. They have decent medical system and yet failed miserably. Next tier are doing a better job but we are weeks away from peak to see the number shake out. ALL above USA have universal health care.
Meanwhile, the Asian countries past peak are not too bad and of course, the Gold Standsrd is Taiwan.
USA has to do better the Europes 2nd tier. With the third most populous country on the planet, even if they stay under 10, that's still 3,300 dead. At 20 per million, that's 6,600. BIG NOTE here....normal flu season is from 12,000 to 61,000 dead as per CDC. That's about from 37 to 184 per million.
Canada...let's hope we're REALLY GOOD at flattening but realistically, we are only at the start. Long way to go.....
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Post by Cranky on Mar 27, 2020 13:24:52 GMT -5
IF THE TOTAL YEARLY DEATH FOR COVID stay under 10 per million, which is 370 dead, or 20 per million which is 740.
Historically, Canada has between 500 to 1500 deaths a year from influenza..
There is a huge flaw in our statistics on the virus. We always take the infection-hospital-death rates from those who get the virus. We do NOT have any stats on how many get the virus in an unhindered infection like the flu.
We hear constant fear of 100% infection and massive deaths numbers when we never actually had 100% testing nor unhindered infection environments in ANY country.
Let's say.....from 37 million, will 37 million get the virus? And how many will be exposed but show no symptoms and NOT be carriers? Why the presumption of 100% infection to carrier/sickness rates?
My wife gets the flu 3-4 times more often then I do even though its 100% certainty that she infects me. We are the same age, same health level, same enviroment, same upbringing so why the massive difference? Over 45 years, we both have been exposed to the same variations of flu and built the same immunity.
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Post by BadCompany on Mar 27, 2020 13:59:23 GMT -5
It's really hard to put any numbers into context. Total number of cases is almost useless, as it doesn't tell you how many people have been tested. Russia's numbers, for example, are useless. Probably China's as well. And of course who knows in Africa. For that matter, the numbers for both Canada and the US are almost certainly skewed as well, as they are flat out telling people who have only minor symptoms to go home without a test, as there aren't enough to go around. The actual number of infected could be 10x higher than that... or not.
Total deaths is a slightly better indicator, but even then it's constrained by the same factors; politics (i.e. China, Russia, possibly Japan, possibly all countries), and lack of testing. Did said person die of the regular flu? Their underlying condition? Or the virus? Lots of anecdotal evidence, from both the US and Canada, that people are dying and we don't really know why. They have coronavirus-like symptoms... but who really knows? Some 98 year old in Where-Is-That, USA ain't getting a coronavirus test... or a ventilator. So what did they really die of, and does it matter?
There will be so much spin coming out of this in the next few weeks and months (years?) that it's depressing. Instead of spin we should be focusing on preventing the Next One - because there will be a Next One - but there is too much at stake, politically and economically, to really get to the truth. This is going to be bad.
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Post by Cranky on Mar 27, 2020 14:26:34 GMT -5
Absolutely BC.
On another site I kept reading we are better off then the US and I ask HOW do we know this when AB and BC do NOT test people with symptoms.
We know next to nothing when in fact, NO country has done 100% testing and NO country has let the virus run free.
The best line offered why it's so dangerous is that it's a first time virus. And? How do we know that people have a strong enough immune system that it wont infect them? Since by definition, they are not infected, they wont show up on the stats.
What if 50% of the population can not be infected AND a certain percentage are only carriers but wont show symptoms AND 80% who are infected are mild AND only 20% of those infected are serious AND only 5% of those need hospital care AND only 10% of those dies...
There are so many "AND" with no real statistical base. The only thing we have for sure is the amount of tests and the amount of deaths numbers in isolation.
I am NOT downplaying the lethal outcomes, what I am looking at is the we already have a lot of deaths thru the flu, which runs openly though our society. At some point, we need to compare the two and how we respond to it. At some point we need to look at how much resistance has been built up by the "herd" through already infected, how much will not get it through strong immune systems and how many are truly art risk and isolated.
If there is no vaccine for another 1.5 years and we keep this isolation thing going that long, there will be no economy to come back too. NONE. ZERO. In fact, what I am afraid of is that whatever industries we have left will be crushed into oblivion and taken over by countries like China whose metrics of "measured in lives" is vastly different from ours.
Indirectly but related, there is a little voice in the back of my head going.....China Inc made this calculation when they screamed racism when countries wanted to shut them out.
Cripes....even having this discussion makes one look like an ogre, but it's a real discussion.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 27, 2020 16:51:05 GMT -5
It's really hard to put any numbers into context. Total number of cases is almost useless, as it doesn't tell you how many people have been tested. Russia's numbers, for example, are useless. Probably China's as well. You can't rely on state-controlled media for accuracy ... China has lied before (Chernobyl) and Russia is pretty much a dictatorship ... oh yeah, as for the US ... The correct numbers weren't being broadcasted in Kingston, at least not right away ... I haven't checked today but Kingston was sitting at 18 confirmed cases ... a few of my friends are on the front lines and one of them told me the number could actually be 40 ... lots of 'fake news' to go around the globe ... People are starting to spin what they want already ... good post ... Cheers. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 28, 2020 10:01:37 GMT -5
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Post by BadCompany on Mar 28, 2020 11:23:44 GMT -5
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Post by Cranky on Mar 28, 2020 14:01:44 GMT -5
I read the article and the comments. I didn't read a single post that has any grasp of the numbers. Comment like...4000 are infected and 200 went to the hospital and 20 died...is worthless. Without full testing we don't know if that wss 4000 or 10,000 or even 40000 of which some can fight it off before being carriers. Or those who already had it and recovered. So the only valid number is how many in the hospital and how many dead. I can confidently say that maybe 1 in a 100 understand HOW stats need to be apllied. Another thing is that i can't get a handle on any report that deals with immunity or people whose immune system was John Furgeson on steroids. The obvious reason is that we don't test enough to find out. Since we mounted have a half assed defensive war, those people will be lumped into...see our lockdown worked. Side discussion... Right now, given all the announced programs, Trudeau put about $5,500 of debt on every man woman and child. Given how many work and how many are in a tax bracket that can pay higher taxes, more like $50,000 on them. I'm not saying it's not needed, but there seems to be a rush to flood the economy with tax dollars...yet no consideration that after all this, the debt isn't going to come down or paid by plucking solid gold apples from trees. All I'm asking as a fiscal conservative, take care of the needy and the sick, let the companies take an extended xmas break and help their bills with interest free loans. This idea of "keeping the economic engine running by keeping everybody employed by paying 75% of their wages" has so many dollars attached and so tempting to abuse, that the benefit seems dubious. Has a tinge of left wing politics then solid economic reasoning. The same boost to reignite the economy can be done with a temporary GST suspension, with far less dollars attached. Or send everybody a $1,000 taxable "spend it all" check. What company is not going to hire back their people if they restart? On the other hand, what company is not going to claim they were about to lay off people but since the government is going to pay for their workers, might as well stock up....and layoff them off later when the stock is getting drawn down. OR send people home with 3/4 of their salaries while others are unemployed or getting $2,000 a month. How is that fair and equal? I don't think that there are enough businessman in the lieberal party that has a clue about how business works and more importantly....how they will take advantage of ALL the tools gifted to them. |
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Post by GNick99 on Mar 28, 2020 15:35:14 GMT -5
A 2nd Colorado player has tested positive. Good thing NHL was shut down or situation be bad now.
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Post by jkr on Mar 29, 2020 7:40:10 GMT -5
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Post by Cranky on Mar 29, 2020 13:09:56 GMT -5
Greece receives 24 million chloroquine pills. Five TONS of it. Why? I thought that they are useless......or is that another bs line from OUR officials because they don't have any? Or very limited supply? Or it's taboo since Trump touted them? Of course it is.... greekcitytimes.com/2020/03/29/24-million-doses-of-chloroquine-donated-to-greek-hospitals/Fun fact... Greece has the lowest deaths per million in Europe. About 4 per million compared to 30 plus for most European countries and 200 for Italy. Plus Greece has just as high a percentage of old people. AND i can tell you first hand, some hospitals are third rate compared to ours. ONLY Germany, with the best hospital system in Europe comes close with 50% HIGHER death per million. Hmmmmm.....that Trump guy....and just for the record, India is a major producer and guess what? Now India is keeping them for themselves. Hooray for outsourcing! |
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 29, 2020 13:21:42 GMT -5
Greece receives 24 million chloroquine pills. Five TONS of it. Why? I thought that they are useless......or is that another bs line fom our officials because they don't have any? Or it's taboo since the evil US guy touted them? greekcitytimes.com/2020/03/29/24-million-doses-of-chloroquine-donated-to-greek-hospitals/Fun fact... Greece has the lowest deaths per million in Europe. About 4 per million compared to 30 plus for most European countries and 200 for italy. Plus Greece has just as high a percentage of old people. AND i can tell you first hand, some hospitals are third rate compared to ours. Hmmmmm..... I dont know bud... could it be the evoo and the ouzo together?... seriously, either some different is going in or Greece is using China style reporting |
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Post by Cranky on Mar 29, 2020 13:44:48 GMT -5
Greece receives 24 million chloroquine pills. Five TONS of it. Why? I thought that they are useless......or is that another bs line fom our officials because they don't have any? Or it's taboo since the evil US guy touted them? greekcitytimes.com/2020/03/29/24-million-doses-of-chloroquine-donated-to-greek-hospitals/Fun fact... Greece has the lowest deaths per million in Europe. About 4 per million compared to 30 plus for most European countries and 200 for italy. Plus Greece has just as high a percentage of old people. AND i can tell you first hand, some hospitals are third rate compared to ours. Hmmmmm..... I dont know bud... could it be the evoo and the ouzo together?... seriously, either some different is going in or Greece is using China style reporting There is nothing different going on other then what appears very different, nee, massive levels of the use of chloroquine. 24 million pills is a LOT of pills form 1150 patients and 38 dead. Even on a 1 per 4 hours, over 10 days, that's only 46,000. Not a chance in hell is Greece using false numbers. Besides the fact there is no political benefit whatsoever, NONE, if anything, they want Greeks to be scared sh!tless so they don't exercise their "free spirits". Besides, instead of speculating on the net, my life long friend, a doctor is on their provincial action committee, he has no doubt whatsoever that the numbers are real and why he wants even MORE drastic action. And again, Greece has a median age of 44.5, Italy has 45.5. Over 65 as percentage, Italy has 22.4%, Greece has 19.9%. Canada has 14.9%. Italy, right next door, is sending convoys to bury the dead, Greece is not. Italy has 50 times the death rate. Given the straight out BS that "we are prepared" and "masks don't work" by Canadian officials, compared to Greek officials, "if you have them, wear them", I have more concern about BS coming out of our officials then theirs. |
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